Guild Wars 2

This Thread is created with the intent of Identifing what sources of healing work Or don’t work in Death Shroud or reaper Shoud. What sources of healing in shroud actually work is confusing and illogical and there are new threads created about this every weak.

I’m sure that I’ve missed some sources of healing or made some mistakes. If this is the case, point it out and I’ll edit the post.

Healing in Shroud
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1. Necromancer Skills
Skills that give you Regeneration in shroud do not heal you, skills that siphon health have inconsistent Rules. Interestingly, the Necromancer has the most Regeneration on weapon skills of any class, but these skills don’t heal you in shroud.

Signet of Vampirism. active siphoning Effect HEALS in Shroud
Blood Fiend siphoning attacks do not heal in shroud

Mark of Blood does not heal in shroud
Well of Blood does not heal in shroud
Well of Power cannot heal you in shroud
Reaper’s Touch does not heal you in shroud

2. Necromancer Traits
Some healing traits heal you in shroud. Some dont. The traits that heal you in shroud are mostly siphons located in Blood Magic, but not all Blood magic healing traits or even blood magic siphon traits heal you in shroud

Spiteful Renewal. does not heal in shroud
Parasitic Contagion does not heal in shroud
Mark of Evasion does not heal in shroud
Ritual of Life does not heal in shroud
Transfusion does not heal in shroud
(Edit). Blood Bond does not heal in shroud
(edit) Soul Eater does not heal in shroud, actually (edit2) it provides no bonuses at all to your shroud while you are wielding a greatsword

Unholy Sanctuary HEALS in shroud
Vampiric does heal
Vampiric Presence HEALS in shoud
Vampiruc Rituals. HEALS in shroud
Blighter’s Boon. Heals in shroud

3. Healing From Allies
Healing from allies does not work in shroud, whether direct healing, the regeneration boon, or combo field interaction. The exception is that an allied necromancer with Vampiric Presence gives you a buff that will let you siphon health in shroud regardless of whether you have Blood magic equipped

4. Combo Fields
Interactions with Combo fields will not heal you. The necromancer doesn’t have any finishers, but I didn’t notice any healing from reaper shroud finishers in the beta.

Leap through water field Does not heal
Whirl through water field “Healing Bolts” Does not heal
Whirl through Dark Field “Leeching Bolts” Does not heal

5. Runes
Runes will not heal you in shroud regardless of whether the heal is a direct heal, a siphon, or the Regeneration boon

Superior Rune of Vampirism. Will not heal you in shroud
Superior Rune of Dwayna Will not heal you.
Superior Rune of Lyssa Will not heal you
Superior Rune of the Dolyak Will not heal you

6. Sigils
Sigils will not heal you in Shroud regardless of whether the heal is the regeneration boon, lifesteal, or a direct heal

Superior Sigil of Water will not heal
Superior Sigil of Luck will not heal
Superior Sigil of Blood will not heal
superior sigil of Leeching will not heal
Superior Sigil of Restoration will not heal
Superior Sigil of Renewal will not heal

7. Food
Effects from Food will not heal you in shroud, whether direct healing effects, heal on pric effects or lifesteal effects

Sticky, please.

This is really good information, but it bothers me that the designations are inconsistent. Maybe go with just “HEALS” or “does not heal” for every source?

One day, my friends, everything on that list will say “HEALS”. I am hopeful.

Not to be the negative guy but as those hopefully heal in DS the max pool is lessened. I think I remember Robert saying siphons only will in shroud for now so maybe the other sources are being tested but don’t have a big priority.

In short boost the priority of healing in DS.

You sure leeching bolts doesn’t heal through shroud? When I was playing reaper over the weekend I could have sworn it was healing

nekretaal.6485:

Blood Bond does heal

Was that fixed? Last time i checked it didnt work (most likely a bug).

nekretaal.6485:

Soul Eater. Heals in shroud

Are you sure about that one? I recall to remember that the trait only worked with gs out of shroud (also both the damage part and the healing part).

Blood Bond does not heal through shroud and Soul Eater only works with GS, not shroud.

Wow that’s sad then. I’ll correct.

nekretaal.6485:

Wow that’s sad then. I’ll correct.

Fine but i am still not convinced that soul eater should be in the list at all, since it only applies to gs not our shroud.

NeXeD.3042:

You sure leeching bolts doesn’t heal through shroud? When I was playing reaper over the weekend I could have sworn it was healing

I looked for green numbers to pop up after using it and never saw any. I’m fairly sure it didn’t heal but I’ll correct if I turn out to be wrong.

nekretaal.6485:

NeXeD.3042:

You sure leeching bolts doesn’t heal through shroud? When I was playing reaper over the weekend I could have sworn it was healing

I looked for green numbers to pop up after using it and never saw any. I’m fairly sure it didn’t heal but I’ll correct if I turn out to be wrong.

Green numbers on the screen, or did you also check the combat chat?

Muchacho.2390:

nekretaal.6485:

Wow that’s sad then. I’ll correct.

Fine but i am still not convinced that soul eater should be in the list at all, since it only applies to gs not our shroud.

I had assumed wrongly that the trait was like Axe mastery / Unholy fervor where the weapon buff affected the shroud too.

I suppose the trait should go off the list as a possible source of healing in shroud, but the trait is confusing because it doesn’t work like similar traits.

Nynuwe.5893:

nekretaal.6485:

NeXeD.3042:

You sure leeching bolts doesn’t heal through shroud? When I was playing reaper over the weekend I could have sworn it was healing

I looked for green numbers to pop up after using it and never saw any. I’m fairly sure it didn’t heal but I’ll correct if I turn out to be wrong.

Green numbers on the screen, or did you also check the combat chat?

Fun fact: There are alot of things that arent shown in the combat log, so checking you health bar is a better way to see if it heals or not.

nekretaal.6485:

Muchacho.2390:

nekretaal.6485:

Wow that’s sad then. I’ll correct.

Fine but i am still not convinced that soul eater should be in the list at all, since it only applies to gs not our shroud.

I had assumed wrongly that the trait was like Axe mastery / Unholy fervor where the weapon buff affected the shroud too.

I suppose the trait should go off the list as a possible source of healing in shroud, but the trait is confusing because it doesn’t work like similar traits.

Well this actually shows some of the problems shroud has implementation wise. It uses the same base damage as the weapon you have equiped (thats the reason unholy frevor actually works in shroud) instead of a shroud specific base damage that is dependent on the “itemlevel” of the weapon (that not a correct term but i hope you understand what i mean) and not what kind of weapon (also axe, staff etc.) it is.

Nynuwe.5893:

Green numbers on the screen, or did you also check the combat chat?

The thing is the combat chat doesn’t tell the difference between whether a heal worked or not. I just tested Blood Bond for example, and while the log would say you were healed, it doesn’t recognize that the heal doesn’t go through shroud. All healing technically affects you while in DS, it is just that most of it doesn’t actually affect your HP.

I keep making that point in the axe & focus threads (it should do more damage if it nerfs my shroud damage), but haven’t been able to convince anybody.

Somebody found a vid of whirl combo not resulting in lifesteal heal in shroud.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Life-Leeching-and-Reaper-Shroud

My issue with minions is when they attack, they siphon health. Soooooo why does that not work in shroud? Even Blood fiend is useless because their siphons don’t work and that’s your heal. And it doesn’t work. Did I mention it doesn’t work?

CodeHavoc.7926:

My issue with minions is when they attack, they siphon health. Soooooo why does that not work in shroud? Even Blood fiend is useless because their siphons don’t work and that’s your heal. And it doesn’t work. Did I mention it doesn’t work?

Blood Fiend is complete and utter garbage and should never be used in any build ever. So that’s besides the point. Vampiric procced by minions absolutely works though, I just tested it in game.

Muchacho.2390:

Nynuwe.5893:

nekretaal.6485:

NeXeD.3042:

You sure leeching bolts doesn’t heal through shroud? When I was playing reaper over the weekend I could have sworn it was healing

I looked for green numbers to pop up after using it and never saw any. I’m fairly sure it didn’t heal but I’ll correct if I turn out to be wrong.

Green numbers on the screen, or did you also check the combat chat?

Fun fact: There are alot of things that arent shown in the combat log, so checking you health bar is a better way to see if it heals or not.

I had a suspicion… Ugh. ~Petitions for more informative combat log~

Bhawb.7408:

Nynuwe.5893:

Green numbers on the screen, or did you also check the combat chat?

The thing is the combat chat doesn’t tell the difference between whether a heal worked or not. I just tested Blood Bond for example, and while the log would say you were healed, it doesn’t recognize that the heal doesn’t go through shroud. All healing technically affects you while in DS, it is just that most of it doesn’t actually affect your HP.

Bloody hell! If that’s not a serious overlook of the programming, I don’t know what is… Oh, hi Flesh Golem.

Its a clashing effect of an unfinished profession mechanic. The orignal death shrould was made to be the necromancers downed state and later turned into the professions game mechanic. It functions like a downed state health bar.

You can still be hit
You can still be cc’ed
it depletes over time
you cannot us standard healing methods
You cant use utilities
You dont get benefits from utilities.

These little bits of healing they have provided are not quite viable yet and need to be adjusted more. Necro is that mess in the game thats super fun to play but devs dont like touching it too much for some odd reason. ;/ idk

Augury of Death now says that Shouts do a Life Siphon. It’s not clear if that is supposed to work in Shroud, though. It’s in the Reaper trait line, so it wouldn’t make much sense if it didn’t.

You don’t have shouts in reaper form anyway mate.

That being said, I think leeching bolts and parasitic contagion should proc in shroud at least.

Yeah, I realized it as soon as I jumped into the game after posting that.

I think transfusion is healing through Reaper’s Shroud now. I might be wrong and I was silly enough to not check my combat log when it happened, but I get a ridiculous amount of HP back for RS#4. Can anyone check right now?

Yeah, definitely not healing through shroud, I just tested it with base and reaper. You’re seeing Vampiric/Vampiric Aura proccing, which can proc up to 45 times over a full Life Transfer, but Transfusion would be healing you for 6k regardless of any targets hit.

Ah thanks Bhawb. Excitement got the better of me when I saw all those green numbers.

Question: Rune of Dolyak still doesn’t work with Reaper Shroud ?
My plan was to combo the 6-“Heal every second” with Unholy Sanctuary “Heal when in Death Shroud”

Ahh. I got duped into thinking that Transfusion also heal through shroud. kitten it. These conflicts makes it feel like kitten to play necro and I’m just a new guy. I wonder how you vets feel who just want their beloved class to not be bad.

Basically, unless it’s described as life stealing (but not equipment) or explicitly says it heals through Shroud, it doesn’t.

And yeah, as someone who love GW1 Blood Magic and has been playing GW2 since beta, it feels bad.

But the new changes stated that Necromancer can be healed by outsides sources even in under Death/Reaper Shroud

Darkness.8421:

But the new changes stated that Necromancer can be healed by outsides sources even in under Death/Reaper Shroud

Links or it didn’t happen.

I disagree with necro’s healing in shroud, in pvp and pve we are pretty kitten hard to kill even in full dps gear. We don’t need it and if we were to get it we would take loses somewhere else guaranteed.

Please stop advocating for this, if your having issue’s staying alive as a necromancer, you should either seriously reflect on what your doing and figure out how to play better, or just stop playing the class it just not for you.