Guild Wars 2

As the title says, “What are your thoughts on the Moa skills of the Mesmer and Engineer (Two classes that already have heavy CC access) being able to override other transform skills?”

I put this under Necromancer because Lich Form suffers from it worse than some other classes, primarily because it receives such a low amount of stability from the transformation, but other transformation skills suffer from this as well: Rampage, Plague, Tornado, and others all suffer from the same problem — if the stability is ripped off through A ) Boon Rip, B ) Boon Corrupt, C ) Rapid CC, then the transform can be overridden by the Moa transform, putting the transform on full Cool Down.

Frankly, I’m not against the skills being completely unable to be overridden, but being placed on full cool down after is where I have an issue. Especially for Engineer ‘Toss Elixir X’ which can be activated twice in a row using Kinetic Charge, and has a far lower cool down than any other transformation skill.

My personal preference would be that the new transformation temporarily overrides the former. While in Moa form, you still have the ‘Lich Form,’ ‘Rampage,’ ‘Tornado,’ or ‘Plague’ effect, but for the duration of Moa, you remain a moa. When moa form ends, you return to the previous transformation, having lost 3-6 seconds, depending on whether it was an Engineer or a Mesmer that transformed you.

I understand that transformation skills need some counters, but these are skills with very long cool downs and very high risk to the user, as it makes you a larger target and removes access to heals, condi-cleanses and utilities. Skills like ‘Slick Shoes,’ and the ‘Diversion’ Shatter can already CC them, and their stability is susceptible to all basic CC skills and boon rip/corrupts. A CCed Lich or Rampage is as good as dead, without any stun breaks.

Edit: Stealth Emoticon

My one thing with Moa is that it’s also a very long counter (180 seconds default), and with a one-second cast time, it’s very dodgeable. If you use it to counter a transform, then that’s it’s sole purpose, and I’m not sure I have a problem with that idea at all.

It’s irritating when it makes all of your skills go into cooldown at the same time…. MM grumbles in a corner

I wouldn’t mind so much if anet would give us an elite not countered by it.

I don’t mind it I liked the old Moa with the skill 5 that I think was an evade/charge for escaping.

I think making it so Moa would revert you back to any transform you were in would be fair. It is still a really strong CC while active, basically 10 seconds of wasted transform, but less of a hard counter.

Don’t ever use Lich Form near an engi or mesmer. But if you run minions you are just screwed! lol
Anet doesn’t love necros!

My thoughts are that the entire idea of Moa’ing someone is stupid in the first place. Sure, you can evade it… But it still eliminates any real way to defend yourself once transformed. It takes away everything you have for a few seconds. I’ve never cared for the skill and I’m glad there aren’t any others like it besides maybe Basilisk Venom but at least you can still use your utilities after you’re hit by it. I just don’t think anything should be able to remove all of your skills… But that’s just my two cents.

This discussion is as old as GW2 is. One classes elite is destroying the whole build of another class. Should tell you some stories of

a) what Anet thinks Balance is and
b) What Anet thinks in particular of the Necro

It´s no wonder that things are like they are now.