Guild Wars 2

i will just leave this here for you

“Cool”.. except not. Is the one on plague pulsing? if not no biggie, not like we heal in plague anyway. The blind on CC is kind of insult to injury but the rest I never use anyway. :P

yes sadly its pulsing

Its pulsing, hopefully they don’t change it so we can all make hilarious videos tomorrow.

ok… that really bites. Its doing worse to ourselves than the enemy. With the self bleed too.

my only hope is the fact that some of the streamers indicated that necro felt very weak from a condi standpoint, and did not appear to be too impressed from the power build standpoint.

I missed when Nos was playing, did that show anything positive?

Anyone throw me a bone?

Gryph.8237:

my only hope is the fact that some of the streamers indicated that necro felt very weak from a condi standpoint, and did not appear to be too impressed from the power build standpoint.

how is that your only hope? xD

Kilger.5490:

“Cool”.. except not. Is the one on plague pulsing? if not no biggie, not like we heal in plague anyway. The blind on CC is kind of insult to injury but the rest I never use anyway. :P

I was thinking of using CPC with old MoC but now nah it’s not happening not worth it at all. I’m probably going back to Flesh Golem as well I’m only looking forward to Parasitic Contagion if it heals through shroud that is. It seems like hell break loose soon with possibly necro branded as sacrifice.

Goldenrevolver.4371:

Gryph.8237:

my only hope is the fact that some of the streamers indicated that necro felt very weak from a condi standpoint, and did not appear to be too impressed from the power build standpoint.

how is that your only hope? xD

sorry, yeah, that was not clear. I was hoping that anet was going to listen to the streamers’ opinions, as indications that necro is underwhelming. It sure looked terrible.

Sagat.3285:

Parasitic Contagion if it heals through shroud

it doesnt. already tested

What is this, an image for ANNTTSSS???!?!?!?!?!??!

Goldenrevolver.4371:

Sagat.3285:

Parasitic Contagion if it heals through shroud

it doesnt. already tested

Well Soul Reaping and staff just went in the trash can, hello Blood Magic hell maybe not and I’ll join the MM necros let’s hope my minions make it past the first sight of the foe(s).

Gryph.8237:

my only hope is the fact that some of the streamers indicated that necro felt very weak from a condi standpoint, and did not appear to be too impressed from the power build standpoint.

I missed when Nos was playing, did that show anything positive?

Anyone throw me a bone?

Corrupting boons seems like a good way to deal with Guardians, and Rangers appear to have problem with necromancers as well. So possibly classes that rely a lot on boons and low on condition clear might have a problem.

DrArmature.4619:

What is this, an image for ANNTTSSS???!?!?!?!?!??!

its a screenshot fof my whole desktop while watching twitch in non full screen mode while the streamer was mousing over the trait description in the pvp build changing box. i think its good enough

My only guess is ANet has severely overestimated just how much condi transfer this class is capable of and the type of specs that actually use it/need it.

They even removed the negative side effects to the quickness skills of rangers/warriors but decided to double down on Necros self-mutilating?

they also removed the side effect from thiefs quickness and buffed all of them with something else but thats not what this topic is about

Goldenrevolver.4371:

they also removed the side effect from thiefs quickness and buffed all of them with something else but thats not what this topic is about

The point is the only other skills in the game that had a noticeable negative effect attached to them had that negative effect removed. And at least with the quickness skills, the negative effect was pretty slight and the payoff was quite large.

Few corruption skills are at a power level to even warrant a negative effect.

I’m still shocked that the engie stacked bleeds to induce 2.2k dmg a sec, while stacking burning to over 7k in under 4 seconds, while maintaining numerous might stacks. I saw a mesmer burst someone down in under 2.5 seconds, and I saw a warrior stack bleeds faster than a Necro could while still doing 4k attacks. They switched to a Necro and it took the Necro so long to stack some damaging condi’s compared to the other classes. Karl got on dueled a few times and opened with signet Of suffering everytime, to get any damage at all. I also saw that at max we can stack dhuumfire/burning 3 times which requires us to be in DS as a condi build for awhile when we have a hard time generating life force. How can we compare. I watched that stream and we looked very very bad.

Condi output was very low, compared to the other condi builds we saw in action.

Atherakhia.4086:

Few corruption skills are at a power level to even warrant a negative effect.

I agree, what are we paying sacrifice for? They aren’t overpowered. >.< The only one I’m excited about using is epidemic.

So obviously there’s no point to traited corruptions. Is there still use for corruptions without the trait? Cause that’s the only way I see it.

blakdoxa.7520:

So obviously there’s no point to traited corruptions. Is there still use for corruptions without the trait? Cause that’s the only way I see it.

On the upside, Corrupt Boon’s cost kinda got reduced. Still just one stack of poison untraited, and one stack deals less damage than before. Considering that was the only Corruption worth considering before in PvP…

blakdoxa.7520:

So obviously there’s no point to traited corruptions. Is there still use for corruptions without the trait? Cause that’s the only way I see it.

Personally I think untraited consume conditions is still our best heal. Epidemic got 33% cd increase to 20 seconds, but I think still usable in WvW. Corrupt boon is unchanged.

hello again Flesh Golem! I never really did miss ya there ol blind and worthless smelly friend trying to pick up pebbles and flowers while your master gets ping ponged for sport! but there is nothing better left to pick

I wouldn’t even mind the additional conditions if the skills were more powerful. For example CC would have much better healing(at least 100% more), BiP more might/duration, CPC added one more damaging condition, etc.

Grim Reaper CZ.9274:

I wouldn’t even mind the additional conditions if the skills were more powerful. For example CC would have much better healing(at least 100% more), BiP more might/duration, CPC added one more damaging condition, etc.

Corrupt Boon should corrupt all boons on a target not just 5.
Epidemic should transfer up to 50 stacks of all condis.
Plague should have a bigger radius and AoE transfer condis that are applied to you.

If we have such extremely hefty taxes on our normal utilities then we need proper compensation in the form of skill power.

Cmon guys. No taxation without representation!

Genesis.7693:

Grim Reaper CZ.9274:

I wouldn’t even mind the additional conditions if the skills were more powerful. For example CC would have much better healing(at least 100% more), BiP more might/duration, CPC added one more damaging condition, etc.

Corrupt Boon should corrupt all boons on a target not just 5.
Epidemic should transfer up to 50 stacks of all condis.
Plague should have a bigger radius and AoE transfer condis that are applied to you.

If we have such extremely hefty taxes on our normal utilities then we need proper compensation in the form of skill power.

Cmon guys. No taxation without representation!

Yeah. Shorter CD on skill doesn’t always mean that it is more powerful.

Anet completely dropped the ball on MoC. Why would anyone sacrifice that much just to gain nothing?

samulihei.1952:

Anet completely dropped the ball on MoC. Why would anyone sacrifice that much just to gain nothing?

That’s why I’m thinking.

Hey let’s give necromancer a powerfull cooldown reduction trait with negative effect as counterweight. We also increase the cooldowns of the corruption skills because they are too short when traited.
#AnetLogic

Corruption skills are way too weak to feel right about the sacrifices. In gw1, sacrifice skills were actually powerful.
8 might for 8 seconds? No thanks, even guard on staff will do more.
Self weakness? No thanks

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

On the upside, Corrupt Boon’s cost kinda got reduced. Still just one stack of poison untraited, and one stack deals less damage than before. Considering that was the only Corruption worth considering before in PvP…

Shhhh! They overlooked that part, don’t put a spotlight on it!

Sublimatio, you are right at the point sacrifice skills in gw1 had a harder impact. But sacrificing worked on a different way this time. You had to sacrifice an stated amount of your max health (from 2% up to 33%).

Corruption skills in gw2 gives you conditions, many of them are damaging but have to stand for a long while on you to have a noticable effect. Necromancers are able to transfer their conditions to their enemy, this way you can draw this negative aspect into a positive aspect. This wasn’t able in gw1, you just lost health instant.

Cripple on CPC? I… I.. I just cannot… I don’t even… This skill is already so bad and now if we trait it it kittening makes our immobile selves even LESS mobile?! What the actual kitten.

And weakness on the nerfed epidmeic is just killer, too. Geezus Anet, why don’t you simply rebuild Necro from the ground up. Or take a look at the GW1 Necro and change our skills’ effects to soemthing resembling that. I’m 90% certain that the result would be far better balanced than these slaps, kicks and punchge sin the face, guts and nuts we keep getting…

Kodama.6453:

Sublimatio, you are right at the point sacrifice skills in gw1 had a harder impact. But sacrificing worked on a different way this time. You had to sacrifice an stated amount of your max health (from 2% up to 33%).

Corruption skills in gw2 gives you conditions, many of them are damaging but have to stand for a long while on you to have a noticable effect. Necromancers are able to transfer their conditions to their enemy, this way you can draw this negative aspect into a positive aspect. This wasn’t able in gw1, you just lost health instant.

Then they maybe should kittening scrap the selfcondition kitten and go back to sacrificing HP and make the skills have a godkitten heavy impact. They should jsut try and cram the GW1 functionalities into our current skills. Make signets work like orders, keep wells as is, make the corruptions like the old sacrifice skills and buff siphoning to somehow keep up with the sacrifices. And then give us proper minion AI.

But if you buff siphoning up to the same level as the sacrifices there wouldn’t be a downside to justify the heavy impact. ô.o

Kodama.6453:

But if you buff siphoning up to the same level as the sacrifices there wouldn’t be a downside to justify the heavy impact. ô.o

Not the exact same level obviously, but enough to mitigate ~50% of it. Although you are right there hsould propably be a trait that reduces the cost instead, otherwise siphoning when not running sacrifice skills would be too strong.

Well, I would really like to see sacrificing skills like this again. They were really fun to play and give you the feeling “yeah it’s really hurting me … but it’s hurting YOU much more!” instead of “I put some little effect on you and after that annoy you with my bacteria!”

Condi necro got smiter’s booned

Shiki.7148:

Cripple on CPC? I… I.. I just cannot… I don’t even… This skill is already so bad and now if we trait it it kittening makes our immobile selves even LESS mobile?! What the actual kitten.

I agree, but another angle I was looking at this is that when HOT comes out with Reaper spec we can get 100% immune to cripple, so wont be a bad one to take… aside from that it generally sucks anyway.

The way I see it they basically gave up trying to balance the current changes before they are being introduced. It will now be much like when the game first came out, with a multitude of broken builds possible.

Thing is, the same will happen AGAIN in 2-3 months, when HOT comes out. But what will actually happen in between? Since any kind of balance achieved now would be destroyed soon anyway, they might to some extent just lay low for now and let the chaos reign.

I highly doubt they will stay lazy with balance considering the WTS tournament in August. They need to fix as much as they can as fast as possible for the teams competing in it.