Guild Wars 2

Just as the title says. I want to know from your personal experience with this class in both WvW (Talking more about roaming) and PvP.

Certain aspects of WvW a Ranger can hold its own. I re rolled though, probably not the best person to ask.

no, reroll warrior or guardian. I always play my ranger for some reason, maybe nostalgia since is suppose to be my main and my first character even in beta but you would be amaze how much a Guardian (which is my second best geared alt) can bring to wvw, group support, tankiness, so much better plus you don’t have to worry for pet or your class mechanic not working.

No reason to play ranger and for what i heard warriors are the new anet babies (were they always were) they have better range, group support, survive more and overall is the complete package

Roaming, yes, PvP, very yes, but zerging WvW is a big no. It’s just kitten compared to other classes when more than ~12 people are involved.

Don’t listen to the other people’s flat out “no” because a lot of people run dumb kitten on their ranger and somehow can’t even play the class with the lowest skill ceiling properly.

Roaming and small team fights we excel, that is if you’re running a Tanky/Regen/Condi build.
In zergs, which is relatively boring, we’re alright. We don’t give lots of CC and stuff, except for our elite skill Entangle, but we can last a while and pick people off.
I run a tanky regen condi build and I can beat most classes 1v1. Thieves are fun to fight as they just stealth with 10% HP then come back full health. Rinse and repeat until you either get ganked or the thief runs away for good. The only class I have trouble 1v1’ing is a tanky warrior.

Unfortunately, that build is the only good build we have. Running anything that’s not tank/regen/condi build will get you KO’d almost instantly. I see some videos of people running LB/GS but honestly, the people they’re fighting are pretty bad.

Writetyper.1985:

Roaming, yes, PvP, very yes, but zerging WvW is a big no. It’s just kitten compared to other classes when more than ~12 people are involved.

Don’t listen to the other people’s flat out “no” because a lot of people run dumb kitten on their ranger and somehow can’t even play the class with the lowest skill ceiling properly.

+1, this is 100% correct most of the QQ is about PvE or just Ranger’s who have no idea.

Ranger’s are monster’s in the right hands.

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

Lukyromero.6780:

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..

Sigh, it’s never in a common ranger’s nature to post up his/her build simply because of the fact that building a ranger to perfectly suit your needs takes a lot of time, and for the most part, is not obvious like how you can build a warrior or a mesmer, although the one im about to show you may seem obvious, it isn’t, and it is only for zerg. But since you asked, beserker armor, soldier trinkets,Sigil of bloodlust on either weapon(whichever you roll better with), LB/SB 30-30-10-0-0, III VIII XI-VI VIII XI-III, pop barrage on incoming traffic zerg(to cause cripple), remain in the periphery, cast rapid fire and flank (theres a trait for that), switch to shortbow cast poison valley, keep flanking while on periphery, cast cripplying shot,cast flame trap(use targeting), proceed auto attack, and repeat. So easy. Pet choice, again, up to your jurisdiction; personally I prefer pets that support with boons, or pets that do range damage. Again, this is for zerg only, targeting skill may take practice, and if you stay off the forum long enough you should get better. I don’t want to give you my roaming build, because of course, you’re one of those prejudice hipster followers that go on forums and bad mouth everything they can about rangers.

Another thing is your comment about open field pvp. If you roam, you should develop your own build, not a zerg build; hence why they have different names. For the sake of being a troll, if you wanted to roam around and kill everyone on site, then go to spvp, find your own freaking 1v1 build, go to a dueling server, and clash with people there. WvW was intentinally designed for a clash between servers! Not a clash between 2 people! Sure PvE gear can play fine, but nobody cares about you having killed someone in wvw because honestly, 1 person is not going to do much for a server. Also, it’s “Builds require you,” you should look into learning some proper grammar along the way.

Ranger in 1v1 can often be lethal. As fights scale, rangers strengths begin to shine less for a variety of reasons (dominance of CC, pet death to aoe). There are many positives though. I am working on relying on brown bear for condi removal. I think it’s not so bad.

I am mainly a casual player, yes level 80 but mainly PVE to date.

Have ventured into WVW in the last couple weeks, if a tanky regen condi build is the best can someone give an example of a tanky regen condi build?

having 5 classes 80s. I don’t have any problem pvping with my LB so far.

only one wish i would have is somehow give this class more way to clean dots or nerf the plex runes.

very hard to deal 1 v 1 confusion spammer engi with ranger.

otherwise i m pretty fine.

Lukyromero.6780:

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..

Sigh, it’s never in a common ranger’s nature to post up his/her build simply because of the fact that building a ranger to perfectly suit your needs takes a lot of time, and for the most part, is not obvious like how you can build a warrior or a mesmer, although the one im about to show you may seem obvious, it isn’t, and it is only for zerg. But since you asked, beserker armor, soldier trinkets,Sigil of bloodlust on either weapon(whichever you roll better with), LB/SB 30-30-10-0-0, III VIII XI-VI VIII XI-III, pop barrage on incoming traffic zerg(to cause cripple), remain in the periphery, cast rapid fire and flank (theres a trait for that), switch to shortbow cast poison valley,

<snip>

Sorry, but if you run with a zerg busting group, you’d know that this type of ranger pretty much just melts instantly. Push through the front line and down they go. It’s so bad that my guild cracks ranger jokes whenever a zerg seems particularly glassy.

I run full cleric or pvt bunker 0/0/30/30/10, depending on what we’re doing, and I’m under no illusion that I’m not giving up a lot just to be able to survive as a ranger with my guild.

In fact, rangers are perceived so poorly that our policy is no more rangers. I know that’s the case with many serious WvW guilds.

It sucks, but that is just the state of the ranger at this time.

edit: I’m talking medium to large scale combat. Roaming, we’re fine IMHO. Not the best and definitely not the worst.

(These are just my opinions based on my experiences)
Pvp: I’ve done a bit of this, and a spirit build is great and viable.
Wvw roaming: Never done this, but I know there are viable builds like regen bunker condition build.
Wvw medium/large scale: Here I run a 30/0/20/20/0 build, GS/SB, and either full soldier or full berserker, just depending on the fights. Traited SoS, Muddy Terrain, SotH (as quolity of life) and RaO to get 24s Stability. With this build I can run with the melee train (yes even with zerker gear) with GS equipped spamming auto attack. But really if I stray too far from the rest of the melee train, I’ll most likely end up dead. Then I pop SoS, get out of the middle and start shooting with SB (Piercing Arrows).

Rangers are ok for roaming, solo-ing camps for example.
There seem to be a few nice builds for PvP.

But looks like other professions do it better.

Ranger is viable in every aspect of WvW (including Roaming). Zerging is a matter of build/weapon and movement.

Lukyromero.6780:

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..

Sigh, it’s never in a common ranger’s nature to post up his/her build simply because of the fact that building a ranger to perfectly suit your needs takes a lot of time, and for the most part, is not obvious like how you can build a warrior or a mesmer, although the one im about to show you may seem obvious, it isn’t, and it is only for zerg. But since you asked, beserker armor, soldier trinkets,Sigil of bloodlust on either weapon(whichever you roll better with), LB/SB 30-30-10-0-0, III VIII XI-VI VIII XI-III, pop barrage on incoming traffic zerg(to cause cripple), remain in the periphery, cast rapid fire and flank (theres a trait for that), switch to shortbow cast poison valley, keep flanking while on periphery, cast cripplying shot,cast flame trap(use targeting), proceed auto attack, and repeat. So easy. Pet choice, again, up to your jurisdiction; personally I prefer pets that support with boons, or pets that do range damage. Again, this is for zerg only, targeting skill may take practice, and if you stay off the forum long enough you should get better. I don’t want to give you my roaming build, because of course, you’re one of those prejudice hipster followers that go on forums and bad mouth everything they can about rangers.

Another thing is your comment about open field pvp. If you roam, you should develop your own build, not a zerg build; hence why they have different names. For the sake of being a troll, if you wanted to roam around and kill everyone on site, then go to spvp, find your own freaking 1v1 build, go to a dueling server, and clash with people there. WvW was intentinally designed for a clash between servers! Not a clash between 2 people! Sure PvE gear can play fine, but nobody cares about you having killed someone in wvw because honestly, 1 person is not going to do much for a server. Also, it’s “Builds require you,” you should look into learning some proper grammar along the way.

“you’re one of those prejudice hipster followers that go on forums and bad mouth everything they can about rangers.” and you called me common ranger when your the common ranger.

Just made me laugh. I’ve been playing Ranger at competitive level probably 1000x longer then you. So when you talk down to someone atleast make sure you know what your talking about.

A Ranger can do many things, we are versatile. You can Zerg with a Ranger too! The question becomes how effective or optimal are you? The problem, is not the Ranger, it’s our pet’s.

Pet’s simply aren’t very effective in a zerg. No matter how much you try to back line the fighting, they will not be very effective. In large scale combat, where our targets are rapidly changing, our pets end up endlessly chasing. On those with attacks that require root, they become even less effective.

Of course, then there’s retaliation. Going zerker and pulling out Long Bow seems to be a great idea for Ranger. Until you end up downing yourself all night long due to retal

Though don’t be discouraged. I’ve run my Ranger all summer long for reset in WvW. If I could make a Jed safe Ranger for WvW, anyone can. Chose your role wisely and pick the correct WvW traits appropriately. For example, don’t go for ram mastery as that’s not a Ranger’s place

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..

Sigh, it’s never in a common ranger’s nature to post up his/her build simply because of the fact that building a ranger to perfectly suit your needs takes a lot of time, and for the most part, is not obvious like how you can build a warrior or a mesmer, although the one im about to show you may seem obvious, it isn’t, and it is only for zerg. But since you asked, beserker armor, soldier trinkets,Sigil of bloodlust on either weapon(whichever you roll better with), LB/SB 30-30-10-0-0, III VIII XI-VI VIII XI-III, pop barrage on incoming traffic zerg(to cause cripple), remain in the periphery, cast rapid fire and flank (theres a trait for that), switch to shortbow cast poison valley, keep flanking while on periphery, cast cripplying shot,cast flame trap(use targeting), proceed auto attack, and repeat. So easy. Pet choice, again, up to your jurisdiction; personally I prefer pets that support with boons, or pets that do range damage. Again, this is for zerg only, targeting skill may take practice, and if you stay off the forum long enough you should get better. I don’t want to give you my roaming build, because of course, you’re one of those prejudice hipster followers that go on forums and bad mouth everything they can about rangers.

Another thing is your comment about open field pvp. If you roam, you should develop your own build, not a zerg build; hence why they have different names. For the sake of being a troll, if you wanted to roam around and kill everyone on site, then go to spvp, find your own freaking 1v1 build, go to a dueling server, and clash with people there. WvW was intentinally designed for a clash between servers! Not a clash between 2 people! Sure PvE gear can play fine, but nobody cares about you having killed someone in wvw because honestly, 1 person is not going to do much for a server. Also, it’s “Builds require you,” you should look into learning some proper grammar along the way.

“you’re one of those prejudice hipster followers that go on forums and bad mouth everything they can about rangers.” and you called me common ranger when your the common ranger.

Just made me laugh. I’ve been playing Ranger at competitive level probably 1000x longer then you. So when you talk down to someone atleast make sure you know what your talking about.

Again, your grammar skills are inadequate, please learn that it’s ’you’re’ and not ‘your.’ Also, you don’t know anything about me; so you have a weak emphasis on your argument about you having played “At a more competitive level” than me. And common ranger?! I never said you were a common ranger! I don’t even know anything about you other than that you have poor grammar skills! And I am right, YOU are a follower, and you BAD MOUTH rangers. Also, as far as I can tell, you’re probably just another warrior or guardian that goes into youtube and server forums loking for a viable build to sustain your satisfaction. Please, shoot me. :/

DeWolfe.2174:

A Ranger can do many things, we are versatile. You can Zerg with a Ranger too! The question becomes how effective or optimal are you? The problem, is not the Ranger, it’s our pet’s.

Pet’s simply aren’t very effective in a zerg. No matter how much you try to back line the fighting, they will not be very effective. In large scale combat, where our targets are rapidly changing, our pets end up endlessly chasing. On those with attacks that require root, they become even less effective.

Of course, then there’s retaliation. Going zerker and pulling out Long Bow seems to be a great idea for Ranger. Until you end up downing yourself all night long due to retal

Though don’t be discouraged. I’ve run my Ranger all summer long for reset in WvW. If I could make a Jed safe Ranger for WvW, anyone can. Chose your role wisely and pick the correct WvW traits appropriately. For example, don’t go for ram mastery as that’s not a Ranger’s place

Lol @ “Jed safe ranger”. Good luck in wvw seasons btw, dunno if you knew but I transferred off JQ.

Anyways, I came here to raise a slight debate. While I wish ranger could offer more group support through pets/shouts (heals or stability), you can backline, in theory a rabid ranger could, for example either flank the enemy’s backline and close off their escape with frost trap and muddy terrain. Or you could use those use those abilities to prevent the enemy from flanking you and targeting your elementalists or necros.

Also, with as little as 8 coordinated rangers, you could have all 4 spirits out in both traited and untraited forms giving 10% chance to burn, 10% bonus damage, 10% chance for swiftness, 10% chance for protection, in addition to all the aoe abilities spirits bring and soaking up damage (natures vengenace to active on death too).

I have seen drawn out battles in T1, I know what you mean when you say they’re limited though.

Boreal.9826:

Lukyromero.6780:

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..

Sigh, it’s never in a common ranger’s nature to post up his/her build simply because of the fact that building a ranger to perfectly suit your needs takes a lot of time, and for the most part, is not obvious like how you can build a warrior or a mesmer, although the one im about to show you may seem obvious, it isn’t, and it is only for zerg. But since you asked, beserker armor, soldier trinkets,Sigil of bloodlust on either weapon(whichever you roll better with), LB/SB 30-30-10-0-0, III VIII XI-VI VIII XI-III, pop barrage on incoming traffic zerg(to cause cripple), remain in the periphery, cast rapid fire and flank (theres a trait for that), switch to shortbow cast poison valley,

<snip>

Sorry, but if you run with a zerg busting group, you’d know that this type of ranger pretty much just melts instantly. Push through the front line and down they go. It’s so bad that my guild cracks ranger jokes whenever a zerg seems particularly glassy.

I run full cleric or pvt bunker 0/0/30/30/10, depending on what we’re doing, and I’m under no illusion that I’m not giving up a lot just to be able to survive as a ranger with my guild.

In fact, rangers are perceived so poorly that our policy is no more rangers. I know that’s the case with many serious WvW guilds.

It sucks, but that is just the state of the ranger at this time.

edit: I’m talking medium to large scale combat. Roaming, we’re fine IMHO. Not the best and definitely not the worst.

Honestly, as far as I can tell, you’re complaining about a skill problem. Stop trying to look for guilds that don’t look for rangers, and get your act together if you main one. Also, “Pushing through the front line, and down they go,” you should not be in the front line— EVER. If your guild is making a ranged focus class do that, then they are the idiots and not you. Obviously, you’re another person who claims that rangers suck; you said “our guild policy is no more rangers.” You can make that claim, but no matter what, it just shows how bad you are with the class. You obviously do not understand ranger, and you obviously lack sufficient skill to be one. I am so angry at you, I don’t even know where to start, also, your argument about the build I posted melting instantly, yeah, that’s another skill problem. learn to play the game, and quit being on forums just to insult the class.

Lukyromero.6780:

Boreal.9826:

Lukyromero.6780:

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..

Sigh, it’s never in a common ranger’s nature to post up his/her build simply because of the fact that building a ranger to perfectly suit your needs takes a lot of time, and for the most part, is not obvious like how you can build a warrior or a mesmer, although the one im about to show you may seem obvious, it isn’t, and it is only for zerg. But since you asked, beserker armor, soldier trinkets,Sigil of bloodlust on either weapon(whichever you roll better with), LB/SB 30-30-10-0-0, III VIII XI-VI VIII XI-III, pop barrage on incoming traffic zerg(to cause cripple), remain in the periphery, cast rapid fire and flank (theres a trait for that), switch to shortbow cast poison valley,

<snip>

Sorry, but if you run with a zerg busting group, you’d know that this type of ranger pretty much just melts instantly. Push through the front line and down they go. It’s so bad that my guild cracks ranger jokes whenever a zerg seems particularly glassy.

I run full cleric or pvt bunker 0/0/30/30/10, depending on what we’re doing, and I’m under no illusion that I’m not giving up a lot just to be able to survive as a ranger with my guild.

In fact, rangers are perceived so poorly that our policy is no more rangers. I know that’s the case with many serious WvW guilds.

It sucks, but that is just the state of the ranger at this time.

edit: I’m talking medium to large scale combat. Roaming, we’re fine IMHO. Not the best and definitely not the worst.

Honestly, as far as I can tell, you’re complaining about a skill problem. Stop trying to look for guilds that don’t look for rangers, and get your act together if you main one. Also, “Pushing through the front line, and down they go,” you should not be in the front line— EVER. If your guild is making a ranged focus class do that, then they are the idiots and not you. Obviously, you’re another person who claims that rangers suck; you said “our guild policy is no more rangers.” You can make that claim, but no matter what, it just shows how bad you are with the class. You obviously do not understand ranger, and you obviously lack sufficient skill to be one. I am so angry at you, I don’t even know where to start, also, your argument about the build I posted melting instantly, yeah, that’s another skill problem. learn to play the game, and quit being on forums just to insult the class.

Also, here’s a comment from one of your fellow warriors and guards that I read recently about a roaming ranger: “Ok so in one year of play time I have yet to die to a ranger, but I need to be clear about what happen to me a few nights ago. I ran into the best ranger I have ever seen and would have died if i hadn’t run my sweet little kitten off. This guy was incredible. I’m in an extremely high end guild and there were 4 or 5 of us trying to kill 1, yes 1, ranger. He did have npc help but that shouldn’t have matter. Normally I will fight a ranger and his buddies by myself in the middle of as many npcs as they need.
So now for the brunt of this. The ranger had such quick regen his health bar never moved, it appeared he was using one handed weapons I think it was sword/torch or sword/dagger, I may be wrong. Never the less my question to you all is, is anyone aware of this build and how it is played. I’ve been slowly working on a ranger myself and fell in love with this guys play style when i saw him play. It was a lot of regen’ing (rarely saw him actually heal) and he did a lot of dodging, moving very quickly around the screen.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks!”
Obviously, what you complain about is a skill problem, just like all the other ranger trolls that come onto forums babbling about how broken they are. Truth is, youre just another statistic. End of story.

Again, your grammar skills are inadequate, please learn that it’s ’you’re’ and not ‘your.’ Also, you don’t know anything about me; so you have a weak emphasis on your argument about you having played “At a more competitive level” than me. And common ranger?! I never said you were a common ranger! I don’t even know anything about you other than that you have poor grammar skills! And I am right, YOU are a follower, and you BAD MOUTH rangers. Also, as far as I can tell, you’re probably just another warrior or guardian that goes into youtube and server forums loking for a viable build to sustain your satisfaction. Please, shoot me. :/

Please stop derailing the thread with grammar accusations when your display of grammar in the quoted post is peppered with mistakes(run-on sentences, double punctuation, random capital letters, misspelling words…).

Rangers suffer in larger scale fights. This problem can be remedied by not joining the zerg in the first place. There is a lot of use in small roaming parties capping camps before the timer expires. Small skirmishes are where rangers shine. Use this to your advantage. If that playstyle is not for you, then I would suggest always keeping your pet on passive and use either support utility pets such as the fern or DPS pets such as the drake. Using your pet’s F2 ability will cause them to enter combat, but if you keybind the “go back” command, you’ll be in a good spot just dragging the pet back to you after the pet tries to run into sixty AoE circles. I personally enjoy enjoy using Barrage and Lightning Breath for nice AoE damage if I am to run with a zerg. Otherwise, use what your small skirmishing party needs, and do not try to make your square build peg fit into a circular party hole.

As far as group utility is concerned, your utility is your damage. The best you’ll offer, truly, is muddy terrain.

Ranger’s are very viable in WvW/PvP. I solo camps all the time with a condi/regen build and even had the pleasure of soloing a tower

In a Zerg, I run soldier’s gear with cavalier trinkets and Exquisite Opal jewels. I don’t do the same damage as a Zerker ranger, but I do decent damage and I NEVER FRONTLINE. Let me put that one more time I NEVER FRONTLINE. I apologize in advance, but anyone who thinks that they’re invincible with traited SoS and <1800 toughness on medium armor is delusional. Any commander expecting a ranger with GS to survive an initial push through a zerg should just tag down.

When it comes to “zerging” I find that positioning and knowing your most effective role will help more than being “geared or spec’d” for “zerg” play. Ranger’s are not the easiest class to play, but once you understand what you role(s) are, you can make a ranger effective in all aspects of the game (even with a horrid pet AI)

Shinoobi.1259:

Again, your grammar skills are inadequate, please learn that it’s ’you’re’ and not ‘your.’ Also, you don’t know anything about me; so you have a weak emphasis on your argument about you having played “At a more competitive level” than me. And common ranger?! I never said you were a common ranger! I don’t even know anything about you other than that you have poor grammar skills! And I am right, YOU are a follower, and you BAD MOUTH rangers. Also, as far as I can tell, you’re probably just another warrior or guardian that goes into youtube and server forums loking for a viable build to sustain your satisfaction. Please, shoot me. :/

Please stop derailing the thread with grammar accusations when your display of grammar in the quoted post is peppered with mistakes(run-on sentences, double punctuation, random capital letters, misspelling words…).

Rangers suffer in larger scale fights. This problem can be remedied by not joining the zerg in the first place. There is a lot of use in small roaming parties capping camps before the timer expires. Small skirmishes are where rangers shine. Use this to your advantage. If that playstyle is not for you, then I would suggest always keeping your pet on passive and use either support utility pets such as the fern or DPS pets such as the drake. Using your pet’s F2 ability will cause them to enter combat, but if you keybind the “go back” command, you’ll be in a good spot just dragging the pet back to you after the pet tries to run into sixty AoE circles. I personally enjoy enjoy using Barrage and Lightning Breath for nice AoE damage if I am to run with a zerg. Otherwise, use what your small skirmishing party needs, and do not try to make your square build peg fit into a circular party hole.

As far as group utility is concerned, your utility is your damage. The best you’ll offer, truly, is muddy terrain.

Again, if that’s all you can do, then you have a skill problem.

Well, lukromero has a point about skill being able to account for a lot of production. Let’s take it in a different direction. What tools does ranger have to help the the zerg?

Hmm… A pet will have to be put on passive and stay close, that’s just a result of so many enemies running around it will chase (you will be tagging a lot too). This suggests pets like brown bear or moa or dog, something that does an aoe the group could use.

The tools I see are…

1) condition removal and resurrection (healing spring, brown bear, signet of renewal, spirit elite, healer’s celerity, trapper’s defense, search and rescue, fernhound heals, plenty of sources of quickness). In theory, a ranger spirit elite could resurrect up to what? 3 or 5 allies? Whatever that is plus in theory two (ranger and search and rescue) means that ranger can resurrect A LOT of downies.

2) Slow downs: ranger has many sources of slow downs (some of which are unblockable), not much need to elaborate on the usefulness of “slows” here but they include chill, cripple, immobilze, and crowd control. This pushes a trap/condition/offhand torch type approach

3) group buffs (spotter, traited spirits are awesome)

4) ranged power similar to luky describes but it’s conditional

Ranged power works best when you can keep gaps. It’s awesome in tpvp to pressure from a distance. But there’s problems with it. For example, yesterday, I tested berserker ranger with knights teinkets against knight warrior. I could not put a dent in his armor. Literally did nothing. Then I switched to my condition/immobilize trap build. Destroyed him handily.

Ranger power is best combined with a pet in action. In tpvp, this works great because the ranger pressures a point and the pet harasses the point. Enemy does not want to leave point and just getting him off point is a victory in a way. So it’s tough to kite the pet in a tight circle. But in wvw, this tends to be limiting. The pet is typically passive at the side and the ranger is in fact underperforming in my view.

Let me know what you think about that analysis, lukyromero.

I agree with the above posters that we are crippled in DPS and support by our pet and inherent design flaws. In WvW, the ranger is currently in a very bad place.

Now, I haven’t been WvW’ing intensely for the last 2 months, but when I did (in one of the most competitive WvW EU guilds around), my place was always at the front line. And I did very well tyvm. Leaping in with GS #3, rooting/slowing everyone asap, and auto attacking with the frontline, I found out that the safest spot is on the commander at the frontline, not the backline. That’s because the people you attack usually focus on the middle/back of your group/zerg. It’s always been like that. If you meet a zerg bigger than you, flank. If not, engage head on at the very front of the frontline. I was usually in full knigh’s armor, trinkets varied on my mood.

Chopps.5047:

Well, lukromero has a point about skill being able to account for a lot of production. Let’s take it in a different direction. What tools does ranger have to help the the zerg?

Hmm… A pet will have to be put on passive and stay close, that’s just a result of so many enemies running around it will chase (you will be tagging a lot too). This suggests pets like brown bear or moa or dog, something that does an aoe the group could use.

The tools I see are…

1) condition removal and resurrection (healing spring, brown bear, signet of renewal, spirit elite, healer’s celerity, trapper’s defense, search and rescue, fernhound heals, plenty of sources of quickness). In theory, a ranger spirit elite could resurrect up to what? 3 or 5 allies? Whatever that is plus in theory two (ranger and search and rescue) means that ranger can resurrect A LOT of downies.

2) Slow downs: ranger has many sources of slow downs (some of which are unblockable), not much need to elaborate on the usefulness of “slows” here but they include chill, cripple, immobilze, and crowd control. This pushes a trap/condition/offhand torch type approach

3) group buffs (spotter, traited spirits are awesome)

4) ranged power similar to luky describes but it’s conditional

Ranged power works best when you can keep gaps. It’s awesome in tpvp to pressure from a distance. But there’s problems with it. For example, yesterday, I tested berserker ranger with knights teinkets against knight warrior. I could not put a dent in his armor. Literally did nothing. Then I switched to my condition/immobilize trap build. Destroyed him handily.

Ranger power is best combined with a pet in action. In tpvp, this works great because the ranger pressures a point and the pet harasses the point. Enemy does not want to leave point and just getting him off point is a victory in a way. So it’s tough to kite the pet in a tight circle. But in wvw, this tends to be limiting. The pet is typically passive at the side and the ranger is in fact underperforming in my view.

Let me know what you think about that analysis, lukyromero.

I like it; you sir, are a true ranger. I’ve pointed this out on another forum post, but as clearly stated in the class description, “With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.” I just hate how people claim that they’re utterly useless in zergs, which in fact, is not true. I’m trying to point out that they can be if you’re skilled enough. Your analysis shows that you understand what’s supposed to happen in WvW zergs. Though, as a follow up comment, I would never run knight’s on my ranger, and in my personal preference, I’d always put my pet into where the meele train is at; what do I mean by this? Assuming your guild uses vent to communicate, when the forward commander calls for a bomb, you put your pet on a target where the meele train is, and when the commander calls for a regroup, you pull your pet back to the periphery. This can take a lot of time to master, which all eventually comes down to, once again,skill.

My topic was WvW. I am a very experienced tPvPer and sPvPer, and I know all the “tools” a ranger is capable of executing. They offer a lot for small groups, because unfortunately, much of their “tools” are tagged with an HP bar. What I said is my opinion on how to be useful in zerg fights(I’m talking t1 skill lag zerg balls). If you’re on a smaller server, you’ll likely have more success with the common tanky/condi/ trap build.

In sPvP or tPvP, I’ll again say that you should bring what your party needs. If that is far point, point defense, or wrestling around in middle, you’ll need to readjust your build for each thing. There are much better resources for sPvP and tPvP building than… this place.

“A lot of time to master target attack with pet and retreat,” I’m pretty sure that is one click and two keybinds.

Shinoobi.1259:

My topic was WvW. I am a very experienced tPvPer and sPvPer, and I know all the “tools” a ranger is capable of executing. They offer a lot for small groups, because unfortunately, much of their “tools” are tagged with an HP bar. What I said is my opinion on how to be useful in zerg fights(I’m talking t1 skill lag zerg balls). If you’re on a smaller server, you’ll likely have more success with the common tanky/condi/ trap build.

In sPvP or tPvP, I’ll again say that you should bring what your party needs. If that is far point, point defense, or wrestling around in middle, you’ll need to readjust your build for each thing. There are much better resources for sPvP and tPvP building than… this place.

“A lot of time to master target attack with pet and retreat,” I’m pretty sure that is one click and two keybinds.

well to master it as the commander calls for regroups and bombs.

Adrenaline.2854:

Roaming and small team fights we excel, that is if you’re running a Tanky/Regen/Condi build.
In zergs, which is relatively boring, we’re alright. We don’t give lots of CC and stuff, except for our elite skill Entangle, but we can last a while and pick people off.
I run a tanky regen condi build and I can beat most classes 1v1. Thieves are fun to fight as they just stealth with 10% HP then come back full health. Rinse and repeat until you either get ganked or the thief runs away for good. The only class I have trouble 1v1’ing is a tanky warrior.

Unfortunately, that build is the only good build we have. Running anything that’s not tank/regen/condi build will get you KO’d almost instantly. I see some videos of people running LB/GS but honestly, the people they’re fighting are pretty bad.

How does one calculate the ‘effectiveness’ in a zerg? 90% of the time the numbers are uneven anyways. Other than that it’s mostly a lagfest. Every class is “effective” in a zerg, and every player. Because you don’t need skills, knowledge of your class or thinking.

Lukyromero.6780:

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Sol.4310:

Lukyromero.6780:

Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.

How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..

Sigh, it’s never in a common ranger’s nature to post up his/her build simply because of the fact that building a ranger to perfectly suit your needs takes a lot of time, and for the most part, is not obvious like how you can build a warrior or a mesmer, although the one im about to show you may seem obvious, it isn’t, and it is only for zerg. But since you asked, beserker armor, soldier trinkets,Sigil of bloodlust on either weapon(whichever you roll better with), LB/SB 30-30-10-0-0, III VIII XI-VI VIII XI-III, pop barrage on incoming traffic zerg(to cause cripple), remain in the periphery, cast rapid fire and flank (theres a trait for that), switch to shortbow cast poison valley, keep flanking while on periphery, cast cripplying shot,cast flame trap(use targeting), proceed auto attack, and repeat. So easy. Pet choice, again, up to your jurisdiction; personally I prefer pets that support with boons, or pets that do range damage. Again, this is for zerg only, targeting skill may take practice, and if you stay off the forum long enough you should get better. I don’t want to give you my roaming build, because of course, you’re one of those prejudice hipster followers that go on forums and bad mouth everything they can about rangers.

Another thing is your comment about open field pvp. If you roam, you should develop your own build, not a zerg build; hence why they have different names. For the sake of being a troll, if you wanted to roam around and kill everyone on site, then go to spvp, find your own freaking 1v1 build, go to a dueling server, and clash with people there. WvW was intentinally designed for a clash between servers! Not a clash between 2 people! Sure PvE gear can play fine, but nobody cares about you having killed someone in wvw because honestly, 1 person is not going to do much for a server. Also, it’s “Builds require you,” you should look into learning some proper grammar along the way.

“you’re one of those prejudice hipster followers that go on forums and bad mouth everything they can about rangers.” and you called me common ranger when your the common ranger.

Just made me laugh. I’ve been playing Ranger at competitive level probably 1000x longer then you. So when you talk down to someone atleast make sure you know what your talking about.

Again, your grammar skills are inadequate, please learn that it’s ’you’re’ and not ‘your.’ Also, you don’t know anything about me; so you have a weak emphasis on your argument about you having played “At a more competitive level” than me. And common ranger?! I never said you were a common ranger! I don’t even know anything about you other than that you have poor grammar skills! And I am right, YOU are a follower, and you BAD MOUTH rangers. Also, as far as I can tell, you’re probably just another warrior or guardian that goes into youtube and server forums loking for a viable build to sustain your satisfaction. Please, shoot me. :/

You talk allot of trash, but ah give it time once you reach top tier you will understand.

Writetyper.1985:

Roaming, yes, PvP, very yes, but zerging WvW is a big no. It’s just kitten compared to other classes when more than ~12 people are involved.

Don’t listen to the other people’s flat out “no” because a lot of people run dumb kitten on their ranger and somehow can’t even play the class with the lowest skill ceiling properly.

This is pretty much my experience as well. Pets generally don’t do too well with large zerg groups and even using a longbow’s AoE, you won’t do anything close to a staff necro. If you’re smart about it, you’ll still be fine, but the class doesn’t lend itself to being as much of a benefit as most others in zergs.

In sPvP, well, there’s a reason that spirit rangers were the most represented build/class in the 9/27 MLG tourney. Outside of spirit builds…I can’t think of much that really comes close, but for now, that’s one niche that rangers have.

As many have said… this is a roaming class. If you enjoy playing a condi bunker/regen build you’ll be fine. If you want to play anything else, you should look anywhere else. Anyone who tells you they play full berserker in WvW should be ignored outright. It’s not a serious way to play and is only good for WvW videos where you show that 1 fight in 10 against some uplevel who didn’t crater your skull into the pavement. Don’t get me wrong… it’s fun. Rapid fire into a zerg in full zerker when you’re buffed and have signets active is insanely enjoyable. When you’re 1 shot by a thief, not so much.

Atherakhia.4086:

As many have said… this is a roaming class. If you enjoy playing a condi bunker/regen build you’ll be fine. If you want to play anything else, you should look anywhere else. Anyone who tells you they play full berserker in WvW should be ignored outright. It’s not a serious way to play and is only good for WvW videos where you show that 1 fight in 10 against some uplevel who didn’t crater your skull into the pavement. Don’t get me wrong… it’s fun. Rapid fire into a zerg in full zerker when you’re buffed and have signets active is insanely enjoyable. When you’re 1 shot by a thief, not so much.

A zerk ranger with a long bow is not a useless thing in a zerg. If you sit around worrying about the odd time a thief hits you you’re not playing to your strengths. There are many tools to deal with thieves burst including traited signet of stone, traps, rapid fire, fear, and lately sic’em. These are all tools a zerk ranger can employ to kill a thief that will not interfere with their ability to bring full dps to bear.

I’ll admit I’m not full zerk but a thief is generally nothing but a fun diversion from the chaos I’m causing at 1500 range. 1-1 I know there are many builds that can kill me too, but thats why I dont fight fair in those cases, I have great mobility too.

Kilger.5490:

Atherakhia.4086:

As many have said… this is a roaming class. If you enjoy playing a condi bunker/regen build you’ll be fine. If you want to play anything else, you should look anywhere else. Anyone who tells you they play full berserker in WvW should be ignored outright. It’s not a serious way to play and is only good for WvW videos where you show that 1 fight in 10 against some uplevel who didn’t crater your skull into the pavement. Don’t get me wrong… it’s fun. Rapid fire into a zerg in full zerker when you’re buffed and have signets active is insanely enjoyable. When you’re 1 shot by a thief, not so much.

A zerk ranger with a long bow is not a useless thing in a zerg. If you sit around worrying about the odd time a thief hits you you’re not playing to your strengths. There are many tools to deal with thieves burst including traited signet of stone, traps, rapid fire, fear, and lately sic’em. These are all tools a zerk ranger can employ to kill a thief that will not interfere with their ability to bring full dps to bear.

I’ll admit I’m not full zerk but a thief is generally nothing but a fun diversion from the chaos I’m causing at 1500 range. 1-1 I know there are many builds that can kill me too, but thats why I dont fight fair in those cases, I have great mobility too.

As I mentioned, it’s fun. Especially if you’re on a wall or at a choke point. The issue is things like retaliation will drop you insanely quick and when you’re downed you probably just rallyed a ton of people off you.

It’s fun. It’s awesome to down people quick. It’s just not that effective and can be a liability. I’m a firm believer in 2800 toughness at a minimum. Even that will get 2 or 3 shot by a Thief in seconds. But at least stray AE’s aren’t going to kill you and hopefully with 18-20k hp too, retaliation won’t kill you in a single barrage salvo.

I try to think if I were in a 15-20man zerg stomping group what would I bring with me. A glass ranger isn’t on the list. If I weren’t a Ranger, Ranger wouldn’t be on the list

Lukyromero.6780:

I like it; you sir, are a true ranger. I’ve pointed this out on another forum post, but as clearly stated in the class description, “With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.” I just hate how people claim that they’re utterly useless in zergs, which in fact, is not true.

Problem is, you may not be in a Zerg the whole time, what if you’re Roaming and decide to hook onto a zerg? Do you port out, respect, regear, change weapons, re trait to put up Spirits? Sure you can find a Zerg build, sure you can find a Roaming build, sure you can do alright in PvP… But, if you get stuck up on a tower defending with a s/d – a/t build, you’re bow is going to be mega kitten.

Lukyromero.6780:

Boreal.9826:

Sorry, but if you run with a zerg busting group, you’d know that this type of ranger pretty much just melts instantly. Push through the front line and down they go. It’s so bad that my guild cracks ranger jokes whenever a zerg seems particularly glassy.

I run full cleric or pvt bunker 0/0/30/30/10, depending on what we’re doing, and I’m under no illusion that I’m not giving up a lot just to be able to survive as a ranger with my guild.

In fact, rangers are perceived so poorly that our policy is no more rangers. I know that’s the case with many serious WvW guilds.

It sucks, but that is just the state of the ranger at this time.

edit: I’m talking medium to large scale combat. Roaming, we’re fine IMHO. Not the best and definitely not the worst.

Honestly, as far as I can tell, you’re complaining about a skill problem. Stop trying to look for guilds that don’t look for rangers, and get your act together if you main one. Also, “Pushing through the front line, and down they go,” you should not be in the front line— EVER. If your guild is making a ranged focus class do that, then they are the idiots and not you. Obviously, you’re another person who claims that rangers suck; you said “our guild policy is no more rangers.” You can make that claim, but no matter what, it just shows how bad you are with the class. You obviously do not understand ranger, and you obviously lack sufficient skill to be one. I am so angry at you, I don’t even know where to start, also, your argument about the build I posted melting instantly, yeah, that’s another skill problem. learn to play the game, and quit being on forums just to insult the class.

Again, prefacing my comments with the clarification that I’m talking about running with an organized guild in WvW, usually taking on much greater numbers.

Mindless blob vs mindless blob? Glass it up and have at it.

Based experience with my guild (and I like to think that we’re decent), I’d say that a properly built Ranger is the 3rd “sturdiest” frontliner, behind Warrior and Guardian. I’m often the last one to go down when overwhelmed by huge zergs… although I like to attribute that to pro positioning and battle awareness.

Note, I didn’t say Ranger is 3rd “best”, as we do have to give up a lot of damage to be able to achieve bunker qualities. In my case defensive traits, high armor rating, mobility, high healing and boon duration (primarily for protection, which is key to survival). If greatsword was a condition weapon, I’d switch to my settler/apoth gear in a heartbeat! But alas.

One note about the pet. The constant stealth, protection and regen given by Nature’s Voice GREATLY improves pet survival. These days it is rare that my pet dies.

The fact that you think a Ranger cannot frontline shows just how much you know about the class. Granted, what I offer my teammates is more subtle… spammable swiftness/regen boons “protecting” stability from necro stripping, an awesome water field + blast, muddy terrain, pet cc, constant regen ticking for 300+, etc. They’ve grown to appreciate it over time.

That said, I believe I have to work twice as hard to be half as effective as a frontline Warrior or Guardian. Power scaling on our weapons needs changing now! The myriad of pet issues are apparently just to complex to fix.

Look, I’m sorry if my comment about backline/periphery Rangers melting instantly hurt your feelings. That’s based on my, and many others’, observations on pretty much a nightly basis. Hence the Ranger jokes. They seem… very lacking… compared to other backliners. Granted, perhaps we’re just seeing a lot of poopie Rangers out there, night after night.

Alluding to your other post, condi bunker Rangers are fantastic roamers. I don’t see anyone arguing that. In fact, I played one for a long time and loved it. But they simply lack the mobility needed to survive against zergs (again, running with a guild group against superior numbers).

Finally, we’ve tried adding ranged Rangers to our backline, but it quickly becomes apparent that they’re dead weight at best, rally fodder at worst. Perhaps we’ve just been unlucky…

I’ll toss in a positive, it looks like the NEW map is ideal for booting folks off the sides.

run a spirit build in pvp and tell me if it’s not viable. you can almost kill any class with it.

Atherakhia.4086:

As many have said… this is a roaming class. If you enjoy playing a condi bunker/regen build you’ll be fine. If you want to play anything else, you should look anywhere else. …

I agree that we are a roaming class, but there are effective roaming builds that do not fall into the condi/regen category. It is certainly possible to build a power/prec ranger that has very good sustain and does very good damage. You just must rely on avoidance rather than heavy healing for your sustain.

In fact, I’ve found our condition/regen builds to be increasingly less effective as other classes have moved to the condition meta. This has caused many people to bring tons of condition removal. As of now, I think a tanky power/prec ranger is more effective and versatile than a condi/bunker for roaming and small groups.

Funny, my guild never creates a mindless blob, we are too organized to create what you call a mindless blob, hence why we have taken on a hundred at a time as a group of 35 or a little higher than that. We offer each other builds for survivability and certainly do not rely on full burst, nor full condition damage , but a hybrid of everything. When we die, it’s because we messed up in tactic or got flanked for creating too much of a tail; moreover, when rangers in my guild die from a zerg, it’s primarily due to our bad positioning(like straying away from the periphery without noticing, or not grouping up, etc). Since what you see happening to your rangers is obviously not working out, well, then maybe you should work with them instead of cracking jokes and making them feel worse about the class; theoretically, a guild is supposed to be like a family overall. If you only see bad rangers, well then don’t use that sample size to draw the conclusion for all rangers in the game; the reason I say this is because ranger is a difficult class to build so that it suits every one of your needs. Of course for the context of this post, I probably mentioned earlier that WvW is not intended for a 1v1 clash; WvW is Server Vs Server, if you want to roam alone in WvW, there would be absolutely no point in doing so because your roaming really isn’t helping your server win the battles. As far as mobility goes, there are survivability utility skills, warhorn buffs, and static fields and warhorn buffs that should come from warriors and elementalists to keep up with speed. Overall there is not much you should be complaining about other than your expertise as a commander orguild leader.

looks at my trap build and the numerous enemies I have killed

Yes, they’re viable.

Lukyromero.6780:

Funny, my guild never creates a mindless blob, we are too organized to create what you call a mindless blob, hence why we have taken on a hundred at a time as a group of 35 or a little higher than that. We offer each other builds for survivability and certainly do not rely on full burst, nor full condition damage , but a hybrid of everything. When we die, it’s because we messed up in tactic or got flanked for creating too much of a tail; moreover, when rangers in my guild die from a zerg, it’s primarily due to our bad positioning(like straying away from the periphery without noticing, or not grouping up, etc). Since what you see happening to your rangers is obviously not working out, well, then maybe you should work with them instead of cracking jokes and making them feel worse about the class; theoretically, a guild is supposed to be like a family overall. If you only see bad rangers, well then don’t use that sample size to draw the conclusion for all rangers in the game; the reason I say this is because ranger is a difficult class to build so that it suits every one of your needs. Of course for the context of this post, I probably mentioned earlier that WvW is not intended for a 1v1 clash; WvW is Server Vs Server, if you want to roam alone in WvW, there would be absolutely no point in doing so because your roaming really isn’t helping your server win the battles. As far as mobility goes, there are survivability utility skills, warhorn buffs, and static fields and warhorn buffs that should come from warriors and elementalists to keep up with speed. Overall there is not much you should be complaining about other than your expertise as a commander orguild leader.

Hey, just a suggestion… could you please break up your writing into paragraphs? It would make it so much easier to get your points and to follow your train of thought. Otherwise people will probably gloss over your post which isn’t really fair to you.

I don’t want to come across as bashing on how your guild does things, so I won’t go there. I’m glad it is working for you! There are many ways to skin a cat in this game.

I agree with a lot of what you stated in your post, especially regarding guildies helping each other, and roaming not really helping the server out (why I don’t do it anymore).

Playing a Ranger myself, of course I don’t care for the Ranger jokes. But I’ve got thick skin and can roll with it. And actually, it motivates me to perform better. Surviving and contributing on the frontline is a high visibility role and gains respect.

The majority of players in this game feel that Rangers underperform in many aspects of this game (like WvW). That’s just a fact and we do need to discuss it. That’s not on the players but on Anet, and hopefully they make it right.

Cheers!

Lukyromero.6780:

Funny, my guild never creates a mindless blob, we are too organized to create what you call a mindless blob, hence why we have taken on a hundred at a time as a group of 35 or a little higher than that. We offer each other builds for survivability and certainly do not rely on full burst, nor full condition damage , but a hybrid of everything. When we die, it’s because we messed up in tactic or got flanked for creating too much of a tail; moreover, when rangers in my guild die from a zerg, it’s primarily due to our bad positioning(like straying away from the periphery without noticing, or not grouping up, etc). Since what you see happening to your rangers is obviously not working out, well, then maybe you should work with them instead of cracking jokes and making them feel worse about the class; theoretically, a guild is supposed to be like a family overall. If you only see bad rangers, well then don’t use that sample size to draw the conclusion for all rangers in the game; the reason I say this is because ranger is a difficult class to build so that it suits every one of your needs. Of course for the context of this post, I probably mentioned earlier that WvW is not intended for a 1v1 clash; WvW is Server Vs Server, if you want to roam alone in WvW, there would be absolutely no point in doing so because your roaming really isn’t helping your server win the battles. As far as mobility goes, there are survivability utility skills, warhorn buffs, and static fields and warhorn buffs that should come from warriors and elementalists to keep up with speed. Overall there is not much you should be complaining about other than your expertise as a commander orguild leader.

The max players per server is about 70 so, ya, you aren’t wiping 100 with 35.

And if you are trying to claim you wipe 1.5 servers with half a server then all I can say is I’ll believe it when I see it.

Maybe they fought 50 rangers? Haha

Chopps.5047:

Maybe they fought 50 rangers? Haha

lol

I have actually seen a lot of 1:2 ratio wipes in favor of the smaller zerg but it almost always only works because the smaller zerg is overwhelmingly heavy based or the larger zerg is an unorganized pug blob that routs after about a 1/3 of their forces get downed

Chopps.5047:

Maybe they fought 50 rangers? Haha

LOL well played!

I don’t know wtf you guys play. I don’t have problems with staying in melee train with GS and in ptv gear. I don’t argue warr or guard are more useful there, but there is sth wrong with you if you “melt” there.

Read the thread more closely. “Melting” refers to the vast majority of Rangers out there who seem to run zerker and full dps traits. Hence the perception. (I personally feel that those builds deserve more defense/escapes, but thats a different thread)

I also play frontline with the warrs and guards. I believe, and stated in this thread, that built properly for bunkering we’re 3rd in terms of tankiness. Yes, we sacrifice a lot to achieve this, but at least we can hang and contribute.