Not really sure what to do for next vid, there is no more challenge in roaming with this build. I wonder if its borderline condi thief/Mesmer some days. Should I get perplex ? ;-)
hmmm…. I tried running something really similar except with viper armor and entangle to proc mad king more often. Somehow your stats look better than mine though.
Going to have to look through my trinkets and see what I can change to tweek them a bit. I probably have my condi damage a lot higher than it should be, and I’d be better off investing that in more precision or toughness.
Anyway, good video, You just convinced me to start running SotP as my default elite with this build over entangle.
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Nice build m8 and also nice video.
The thing I like most about the build is that’s its defintly yours.
ou say there is no challenge roaming with this build, but in alot of ways the build is less forgiving to mistakes compared to more meta builds and looks like tons of fun.
hmmm…. I tried running something really similar except with viper armor and entangle to proc mad king more often. Somehow your stats look better than mine though.
Going to have to look through my trinkets and see what I can change to tweek them a bit. I probably have my condi damage a lot higher than it should be, and I’d be better off investing that in more precision or toughness.
Anyway, good video, You just convinced me to start running SotP as my default elite with this build over entangle.
Yeah the precision on viper is too low.
I have 3 pieces of celestial gear, earring, ring, backpiece so I am not super glass but if you wanna run it super glass those would be the thing to replace with viper gear (or the equivalent in armor/weapon slots cause hot raid trinket bs). And of course there is the +251 toughness when swapping to staff, my defensive weapon.
SotP had to happen. I was excited when I finnaly made the jump to QZ over spike trap. All 5 survival skills on bar, glory! But entangle was just not serving me. Madking + SotP, insta 25 on smokescale and of course a properly placed smoke assault would grant me a minimum 5 might in turn. I tried WHaO but I couldn’t get into it, not yet. Might really would be king on this build but I’ve looked for a proper way to get it and it’s just not there.
hmmm…. I tried running something really similar except with viper armor and entangle to proc mad king more often. Somehow your stats look better than mine though.
Going to have to look through my trinkets and see what I can change to tweek them a bit. I probably have my condi damage a lot higher than it should be, and I’d be better off investing that in more precision or toughness.
Anyway, good video, You just convinced me to start running SotP as my default elite with this build over entangle.
Yeah the precision on viper is too low.
I have 3 pieces of celestial gear, earring, ring, backpiece so I am not super glass but if you wanna run it super glass those would be the thing to replace with viper gear (or the equivalent in armor/weapon slots cause hot raid trinket bs). And of course there is the +251 toughness when swapping to staff, my defensive weapon.
SotP had to happen. I was excited when I finnaly made the jump to QZ over spike trap. All 5 survival skills on bar, glory! But entangle was just not serving me. Madking + SotP, insta 25 on smokescale and of course a properly placed smoke assault would grant me a minimum 5 might in turn. I tried WHaO but I couldn’t get into it, not yet. Might really would be king on this build but I’ve looked for a proper way to get it and it’s just not there.
With fury I still had about 75% crit chance, 85% when flanking. I think the extra bleed duration makes up for the 10% loss.
It seems the build editor doesn’t accurately show the extra bleed duration that vipers gives you, that’s why my numbers seemed so off.
But yeah, SotP really helps out in most fights. Entangle is still great for 1v1’s but there is easy too much cc to fight outnumbered without stab.
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LGN
hmmm…. I tried running something really similar except with viper armor and entangle to proc mad king more often. Somehow your stats look better than mine though.
Going to have to look through my trinkets and see what I can change to tweek them a bit. I probably have my condi damage a lot higher than it should be, and I’d be better off investing that in more precision or toughness.
Anyway, good video, You just convinced me to start running SotP as my default elite with this build over entangle.
Yeah the precision on viper is too low.
I have 3 pieces of celestial gear, earring, ring, backpiece so I am not super glass but if you wanna run it super glass those would be the thing to replace with viper gear (or the equivalent in armor/weapon slots cause hot raid trinket bs). And of course there is the +251 toughness when swapping to staff, my defensive weapon.
SotP had to happen. I was excited when I finnaly made the jump to QZ over spike trap. All 5 survival skills on bar, glory! But entangle was just not serving me. Madking + SotP, insta 25 on smokescale and of course a properly placed smoke assault would grant me a minimum 5 might in turn. I tried WHaO but I couldn’t get into it, not yet. Might really would be king on this build but I’ve looked for a proper way to get it and it’s just not there.
With fury I still had about 75% crit chance, 85% when flanking. I think the extra bleed duration makes up for the 10% loss.
It seems the build editor doesn’t accurately show the extra bleed duration that vipers gives you, that’s why my numbers seemed so off.
But yeah, SotP really helps out in most fights. Entangle is still great for 1v1’s but there is easy too much cc to fight outnumbered without stab.
We’re you not using full viper’s or something?
It isn’t possible to get 75%-85% crit chance with viper’s+fury+flanking unless you are taking sigils like accuracy and perception and toxic maintenance oil.
Viper’s condi duration is not very useful in a strictly bleed build unless you are not using +10% utility.
Part of the reason I dumped entangle is because it was only efficient for 1vX. In a 1v1 it either completely failed or the people getting trapped by it were as good as toast anyhow with ancient seeds. But ya that stability in 1vX is tops. I figured that out underwater where I couldn’t even take entangle.
I was using oil instead of crystal, my condi damage was high enough and vipers had the duration at something like 90%.
Next time I logon I’ll see exactly what trinkets I’m using and throw it on a build editor.
My entangle rarely missed in 1v1 because I would pop it from stealth or when I saw an opening (like right after they blew their second dodge or broke out of a cc).
I still keep on flipping back and forth with a few things. I was running druidic clarity and SoS over sharpening stone.
Primal echos allowed me to pull off some pretty clutch saves when people were down but not having druidic clarity got me killed once or twice. SoS definitely comes in more handy when facing off against a couple thieves, wars, or when you are trying to stomp in a 1vX.
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the condi is not worth it. you would be better off replacing the condi dmg with crit dmg instead. or power .. you have 63 % crit chance without fury, yet you only have 160 % crit dmg. youre effectively losing out on 40 % of your crit dmg. the condi just isnt worth it. not with this hybrid setup. i admire the creativity tbh and ive tried something similar myself.. but its not worth the dmg. you could take another stunbreak or a different utility skill instead of the bleeding one as it has wayyy too long of a cooldown to be effective at all.
and since theres only so few conditions, its easy for anyone with a normal build to cleanse them off entirely without even trying.
effectively id say youre losing out on like.. 20 or 25 % of the dmg you could have.
the condi is not worth it. you would be better off replacing the condi dmg with crit dmg instead. or power .. you have 63 % crit chance without fury, yet you only have 160 % crit dmg. youre effectively losing out on 40 % of your crit dmg. the condi just isnt worth it. not with this hybrid setup. i admire the creativity tbh and ive tried something similar myself.. but its not worth the dmg. you could take another stunbreak or a different utility skill instead of the bleeding one as it has wayyy too long of a cooldown to be effective at all.
and since theres only so few conditions, its easy for anyone with a normal build to cleanse them off entirely without even trying.
effectively id say youre losing out on like.. 20 or 25 % of the dmg you could have.
Hard to cleanse when the bleed ticks reapply with every hit. And with all the projectile hate that was added to the game those bleed ticks really help keep up your dps.
Yeah you can’t burst down full glass players as fast but you’ll still end up killing those players. The hybrid damage works better against builds with some built in sustain.
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I won’t defend zerker vs rampager as the build has never been about the be all end all.
I will defend the sharpening stone over sos though.
Sos is a relic from 2012-2014. There is little to no reason to run it anymore short of not running wilderness or nature magic or beast mastery (shouts) or the signet trait.
The reason to run sharpening stone is beyond the 5 bleeds you can do at 2k range. Fury/condition removal and insta cast. Its utility in both defense and offense makes it a solid skill for the build.
As for condition removal, lol,
Bleeding
Poison
Torment
Cripple
Vulnerability
Immobilize
If someone purges that mess good for them, cause the bleeds don’t stop coming, and poison, torment, vulnerability are right behind it.
the condi is not worth it. you would be better off replacing the condi dmg with crit dmg instead. or power .. you have 63 % crit chance without fury, yet you only have 160 % crit dmg. youre effectively losing out on 40 % of your crit dmg. the condi just isnt worth it. not with this hybrid setup. i admire the creativity tbh and ive tried something similar myself.. but its not worth the dmg. you could take another stunbreak or a different utility skill instead of the bleeding one as it has wayyy too long of a cooldown to be effective at all.
and since theres only so few conditions, its easy for anyone with a normal build to cleanse them off entirely without even trying.
effectively id say youre losing out on like.. 20 or 25 % of the dmg you could have.
Hard to cleanse when the bleed ticks reapply with every hit. And with all the projectile hate that was added to the game those bleed ticks really help keep up your dps.
Yeah you can’t burst down full glass players as fast but you’ll still end up killing those players. The hybrid damage works better against builds with some built in sustain.
well the thing is, you dont apply enough bleeding stacks on crit that its going to end up dealing a lot of dmg. and bleed is a very weak condition in most cases, taking a long time to deal all its dmg. many ticks are needed.
and yea sure its true some builds might be easier to kill with this setup, but the far most of them would be easier to kill with a standard power-only build. i said youre losing about 20 – 25 % of the dmg. and saying that the bleed will increase dps against classes with projectile hate is not true, as youre forced to hit with your arrow / staff anyway. the bleed only comes if youre already hitting them anyway. so projectile hate means = 0 condi infliction.
sure you could use staff, but that would generate the exact same results. you would get more direct dmg with more power instead of condition dmg. the bleed simply takes too long to do its dmg to be worth it. the build would have been worth it if it was something like burn or confusion… but it isnt.
I won’t defend zerker vs rampager as the build has never been about the be all end all.
I will defend the sharpening stone over sos though.
Sos is a relic from 2012-2014. There is little to no reason to run it anymore short of not running wilderness or nature magic or beast mastery (shouts) or the signet trait.
The reason to run sharpening stone is beyond the 5 bleeds you can do at 2k range. Fury/condition removal and insta cast. Its utility in both defense and offense makes it a solid skill for the build.
As for condition removal, lol,
Bleeding
Poison
Torment
Cripple
Vulnerability
Immobilize
If someone purges that mess good for them, cause the bleeds don’t stop coming, and poison, torment, vulnerability are right behind it.
where does your torment come from again?
you will rarely have all these conditions on your enemy at the same time, so cleansing some of them at a time will be enough. its true the bleeds will keep getting reapplied but the dmg from the bleeds themselves just takes too long to be worth it.
i dont use SoS either cus the cooldown is way too long for only 6 seconds of physical immunity. i use SoW instead without popping it. i just let it stay passively to get my astral regen. it helps enough to be worth it imo, as celestial avatar = stun break, 100 % condi cleanse, heals and stealth. all this is possible every 10 seconds if you have enough astral regen.
the condi is not worth it. you would be better off replacing the condi dmg with crit dmg instead. or power .. you have 63 % crit chance without fury, yet you only have 160 % crit dmg. youre effectively losing out on 40 % of your crit dmg. the condi just isnt worth it. not with this hybrid setup. i admire the creativity tbh and ive tried something similar myself.. but its not worth the dmg. you could take another stunbreak or a different utility skill instead of the bleeding one as it has wayyy too long of a cooldown to be effective at all.
and since theres only so few conditions, its easy for anyone with a normal build to cleanse them off entirely without even trying.
effectively id say youre losing out on like.. 20 or 25 % of the dmg you could have.
Hard to cleanse when the bleed ticks reapply with every hit. And with all the projectile hate that was added to the game those bleed ticks really help keep up your dps.
Yeah you can’t burst down full glass players as fast but you’ll still end up killing those players. The hybrid damage works better against builds with some built in sustain.
well the thing is, you dont apply enough bleeding stacks on crit that its going to end up dealing a lot of dmg. and bleed is a very weak condition in most cases, taking a long time to deal all its dmg. many ticks are needed.
and yea sure its true some builds might be easier to kill with this setup, but the far most of them would be easier to kill with a standard power-only build. i said youre losing about 20 – 25 % of the dmg. and saying that the bleed will increase dps against classes with projectile hate is not true, as youre forced to hit with your arrow / staff anyway. the bleed only comes if youre already hitting them anyway. so projectile hate means = 0 condi infliction.
sure you could use staff, but that would generate the exact same results. you would get more direct dmg with more power instead of condition dmg. the bleed simply takes too long to do its dmg to be worth it. the build would have been worth it if it was something like burn or confusion… but it isnt.
I’m not doing 0 dps because they can’t block projectiles 100% of the time. If they start reflecting shots I can cancel my attack and I’m still doing 1-2.5k dps from bleed ticks instead of the 0 damage I’d be doing with a straight power build.
The same thing goes for fights where I have to kite around a lot, or when I go into Cele firm to daze them and heal up. Or even when I’m fighting in an area like a camp where they try using the huts to LoS when they start getting low.
If all my opponents sat still letting me free fire, power might be better (although I’m pretty sure SB a/t vipers is our top DPS now), but they don’t. Having the added pressure when I can’t attack has won me a lot of fights.
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LGN
I won’t defend zerker vs rampager as the build has never been about the be all end all.
I will defend the sharpening stone over sos though.
Sos is a relic from 2012-2014. There is little to no reason to run it anymore short of not running wilderness or nature magic or beast mastery (shouts) or the signet trait.
The reason to run sharpening stone is beyond the 5 bleeds you can do at 2k range. Fury/condition removal and insta cast. Its utility in both defense and offense makes it a solid skill for the build.
As for condition removal, lol,
Bleeding
Poison
Torment
Cripple
Vulnerability
Immobilize
If someone purges that mess good for them, cause the bleeds don’t stop coming, and poison, torment, vulnerability are right behind it.
where does your torment come from again?
you will rarely have all these conditions on your enemy at the same time, so cleansing some of them at a time will be enough. its true the bleeds will keep getting reapplied but the dmg from the bleeds themselves just takes too long to be worth it.
i dont use SoS either cus the cooldown is way too long for only 6 seconds of physical immunity. i use SoW instead without popping it. i just let it stay passively to get my astral regen. it helps enough to be worth it imo, as celestial avatar = stun break, 100 % condi cleanse, heals and stealth. all this is possible every 10 seconds if you have enough astral regen.
OP isn’t trying to min/max or to be meta. She’s playing what she enjoys and showcasing how well she plays it.
She’s also already said that she understands a full Berserker build would be better.
As someone who very much enjoys using niche builds, I totally understand not caring about being 100% effective. As long as it’s fun to play and you’re comfortable with playing it, who cares. I still kill tons of people with niche builds and clearly OP does as well.
I won’t defend zerker vs rampager as the build has never been about the be all end all.
I will defend the sharpening stone over sos though.
Sos is a relic from 2012-2014. There is little to no reason to run it anymore short of not running wilderness or nature magic or beast mastery (shouts) or the signet trait.
The reason to run sharpening stone is beyond the 5 bleeds you can do at 2k range. Fury/condition removal and insta cast. Its utility in both defense and offense makes it a solid skill for the build.
As for condition removal, lol,
Bleeding
Poison
Torment
Cripple
Vulnerability
Immobilize
If someone purges that mess good for them, cause the bleeds don’t stop coming, and poison, torment, vulnerability are right behind it.
where does your torment come from again?
you will rarely have all these conditions on your enemy at the same time, so cleansing some of them at a time will be enough. its true the bleeds will keep getting reapplied but the dmg from the bleeds themselves just takes too long to be worth it.
i dont use SoS either cus the cooldown is way too long for only 6 seconds of physical immunity. i use SoW instead without popping it. i just let it stay passively to get my astral regen. it helps enough to be worth it imo, as celestial avatar = stun break, 100 % condi cleanse, heals and stealth. all this is possible every 10 seconds if you have enough astral regen.
OP isn’t trying to min/max or to be meta. She’s playing what she enjoys and showcasing how well she plays it.
She’s also already said that she understands a full Berserker build would be better.
As someone who very much enjoys using niche builds, I totally understand not caring about being 100% effective. As long as it’s fun to play and you’re comfortable with playing it, who cares. I still kill tons of people with niche builds and clearly OP does as well.
She’s also already said that she understands a full Berserker build would be better.
woah what? I said I wouldn’t defend rampagers vs berserkers. I didn’t say zerker is better. Rampagers is clearly the correct choice for the build. You can run berserkers but you pretty much need to rewrite the build to remove the condition element.
the condi is not worth it. you would be better off replacing the condi dmg with crit dmg instead. or power .. you have 63 % crit chance without fury, yet you only have 160 % crit dmg. youre effectively losing out on 40 % of your crit dmg. the condi just isnt worth it. not with this hybrid setup. i admire the creativity tbh and ive tried something similar myself.. but its not worth the dmg. you could take another stunbreak or a different utility skill instead of the bleeding one as it has wayyy too long of a cooldown to be effective at all.
and since theres only so few conditions, its easy for anyone with a normal build to cleanse them off entirely without even trying.
effectively id say youre losing out on like.. 20 or 25 % of the dmg you could have.
Hard to cleanse when the bleed ticks reapply with every hit. And with all the projectile hate that was added to the game those bleed ticks really help keep up your dps.
Yeah you can’t burst down full glass players as fast but you’ll still end up killing those players. The hybrid damage works better against builds with some built in sustain.
well the thing is, you dont apply enough bleeding stacks on crit that its going to end up dealing a lot of dmg. and bleed is a very weak condition in most cases, taking a long time to deal all its dmg. many ticks are needed.
and yea sure its true some builds might be easier to kill with this setup, but the far most of them would be easier to kill with a standard power-only build. i said youre losing about 20 – 25 % of the dmg. and saying that the bleed will increase dps against classes with projectile hate is not true, as youre forced to hit with your arrow / staff anyway. the bleed only comes if youre already hitting them anyway. so projectile hate means = 0 condi infliction.
sure you could use staff, but that would generate the exact same results. you would get more direct dmg with more power instead of condition dmg. the bleed simply takes too long to do its dmg to be worth it. the build would have been worth it if it was something like burn or confusion… but it isnt.
I’m not doing 0 dps because they can’t block projectiles 100% of the time. If they start reflecting shots I can cancel my attack and I’m still doing 1-2.5k dps from bleed ticks instead of the 0 damage I’d be doing with a straight power build.
The same thing goes for fights where I have to kite around a lot, or when I go into Cele firm to daze them and heal up. Or even when I’m fighting in an area like a camp where they try using the huts to LoS when they start getting low.
If all my opponents sat still letting me free fire, power might be better (although I’m pretty sure SB a/t vipers is our top DPS now), but they don’t. Having the added pressure when I can’t attack has won me a lot of fights.
well .. let’s say you have to stop shooting with your longbow. sure the ticks will keep going for a while longer. but.. you’re just taking some of your dmg and making it damage over time . it’s the same dmg, just spread out more. and normally, if you can’t use your bow, you still have your melee weapon or staff. so .. my point still remains..
it is true if you are able to stack so many condis the pressure can be spread out and be effective for longer, increasing the time window where they will try to be defensive but this is only going to work once, or if they make a big mistake and actually let you stack that many condis at once
the condi is not worth it. you would be better off replacing the condi dmg with crit dmg instead. or power .. you have 63 % crit chance without fury, yet you only have 160 % crit dmg. youre effectively losing out on 40 % of your crit dmg. the condi just isnt worth it. not with this hybrid setup. i admire the creativity tbh and ive tried something similar myself.. but its not worth the dmg. you could take another stunbreak or a different utility skill instead of the bleeding one as it has wayyy too long of a cooldown to be effective at all.
and since theres only so few conditions, its easy for anyone with a normal build to cleanse them off entirely without even trying.
effectively id say youre losing out on like.. 20 or 25 % of the dmg you could have.
Hard to cleanse when the bleed ticks reapply with every hit. And with all the projectile hate that was added to the game those bleed ticks really help keep up your dps.
Yeah you can’t burst down full glass players as fast but you’ll still end up killing those players. The hybrid damage works better against builds with some built in sustain.
well the thing is, you dont apply enough bleeding stacks on crit that its going to end up dealing a lot of dmg. and bleed is a very weak condition in most cases, taking a long time to deal all its dmg. many ticks are needed.
and yea sure its true some builds might be easier to kill with this setup, but the far most of them would be easier to kill with a standard power-only build. i said youre losing about 20 – 25 % of the dmg. and saying that the bleed will increase dps against classes with projectile hate is not true, as youre forced to hit with your arrow / staff anyway. the bleed only comes if youre already hitting them anyway. so projectile hate means = 0 condi infliction.
sure you could use staff, but that would generate the exact same results. you would get more direct dmg with more power instead of condition dmg. the bleed simply takes too long to do its dmg to be worth it. the build would have been worth it if it was something like burn or confusion… but it isnt.
I’m not doing 0 dps because they can’t block projectiles 100% of the time. If they start reflecting shots I can cancel my attack and I’m still doing 1-2.5k dps from bleed ticks instead of the 0 damage I’d be doing with a straight power build.
The same thing goes for fights where I have to kite around a lot, or when I go into Cele firm to daze them and heal up. Or even when I’m fighting in an area like a camp where they try using the huts to LoS when they start getting low.
If all my opponents sat still letting me free fire, power might be better (although I’m pretty sure SB a/t vipers is our top DPS now), but they don’t. Having the added pressure when I can’t attack has won me a lot of fights.
well .. let’s say you have to stop shooting with your longbow. sure the ticks will keep going for a while longer. but.. you’re just taking some of your dmg and making it damage over time . it’s the same dmg, just spread out more. and normally, if you can’t use your bow, you still have your melee weapon or staff. so .. my point still remains..
it is true if you are able to stack so many condis the pressure can be spread out and be effective for longer, increasing the time window where they will try to be defensive but this is only going to work once, or if they make a big mistake and actually let you stack that many condis at once
If you want to run zerker bow, nobody is telling you not to.
She’s also already said that she understands a full Berserker build would be better.
woah what? I said I wouldn’t defend rampagers vs berserkers. I didn’t say zerker is better. Rampagers is clearly the correct choice for the build. You can run berserkers but you pretty much need to rewrite the build to remove the condition element.
No, I meant that a full zerk build would be better, not that zerk would be better for this specific build. Trading Rampagers stats for zerk with the traits and what not that you have chosen would definitely be worse.
the condi is not worth it. you would be better off replacing the condi dmg with crit dmg instead. or power .. you have 63 % crit chance without fury, yet you only have 160 % crit dmg. youre effectively losing out on 40 % of your crit dmg. the condi just isnt worth it. not with this hybrid setup. i admire the creativity tbh and ive tried something similar myself.. but its not worth the dmg. you could take another stunbreak or a different utility skill instead of the bleeding one as it has wayyy too long of a cooldown to be effective at all.
and since theres only so few conditions, its easy for anyone with a normal build to cleanse them off entirely without even trying.
effectively id say youre losing out on like.. 20 or 25 % of the dmg you could have.
Hard to cleanse when the bleed ticks reapply with every hit. And with all the projectile hate that was added to the game those bleed ticks really help keep up your dps.
Yeah you can’t burst down full glass players as fast but you’ll still end up killing those players. The hybrid damage works better against builds with some built in sustain.
well the thing is, you dont apply enough bleeding stacks on crit that its going to end up dealing a lot of dmg. and bleed is a very weak condition in most cases, taking a long time to deal all its dmg. many ticks are needed.
and yea sure its true some builds might be easier to kill with this setup, but the far most of them would be easier to kill with a standard power-only build. i said youre losing about 20 – 25 % of the dmg. and saying that the bleed will increase dps against classes with projectile hate is not true, as youre forced to hit with your arrow / staff anyway. the bleed only comes if youre already hitting them anyway. so projectile hate means = 0 condi infliction.
sure you could use staff, but that would generate the exact same results. you would get more direct dmg with more power instead of condition dmg. the bleed simply takes too long to do its dmg to be worth it. the build would have been worth it if it was something like burn or confusion… but it isnt.
I’m not doing 0 dps because they can’t block projectiles 100% of the time. If they start reflecting shots I can cancel my attack and I’m still doing 1-2.5k dps from bleed ticks instead of the 0 damage I’d be doing with a straight power build.
The same thing goes for fights where I have to kite around a lot, or when I go into Cele firm to daze them and heal up. Or even when I’m fighting in an area like a camp where they try using the huts to LoS when they start getting low.
If all my opponents sat still letting me free fire, power might be better (although I’m pretty sure SB a/t vipers is our top DPS now), but they don’t. Having the added pressure when I can’t attack has won me a lot of fights.
well .. let’s say you have to stop shooting with your longbow. sure the ticks will keep going for a while longer. but.. you’re just taking some of your dmg and making it damage over time . it’s the same dmg, just spread out more. and normally, if you can’t use your bow, you still have your melee weapon or staff. so .. my point still remains..
it is true if you are able to stack so many condis the pressure can be spread out and be effective for longer, increasing the time window where they will try to be defensive but this is only going to work once, or if they make a big mistake and actually let you stack that many condis at once
If you want to run zerker bow, nobody is telling you not to.
ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It entirely depends on what you are fighting, if you are fighting something with a lot of toughness, or things like endure pain, stone heart, warrior 1000 toughness on stunbreak, etc, then his build will probably be better, that’s the advantage of hybrid damage builds, they may not best in certain situations, but they also are less likely to be in situations where they are weak because they are countered .
This build does not seem good for new rangers. Very expensive and seems to be glassy. Awesome video though! You make it look really strong!
Yes it is expensive. The food is nuts so I use primers which obviously arnt cheap either. I’ve run it with no food and it’s ok but not great. Cheaper option is obviously the provisioner which is good but not great. Condi Longbow really does depend on min/max more so than a zerker build.
For glass, while in bow its 2400, while in staff it 2650.
That is important to be mindful of while running it.
The longbow is all about freecasting.
The staff is all about staying alive.
ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
I am not a fan of the build she use, not my playstyle, but i like the very specific choices and the theory craft work on it.
As regards the OP’s question, you could move in T1 where roamers are more aggressive to test your build. Just an idea.
On a side note, i would have appreciated some music (i think i can remember an old vid of yours with good songs).
ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
Yup, the hybrid build works really well when fighting outnumbered and having to kite around for half the fight.
I flipped a camp, sat outside of bay and repeatedly killed groups of 2-4 players. It got to the point where they built a bali to….. I honestly don’t know what they thought the bali would do…
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ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
Yup, the hybrid build works really well when fighting outnumbered and having to kite around for half the fight.
I flipped a camp, sat outside of bay and repeatedly killed groups of 2-4 players. It got to the point where they built a bali to….. I honestly don’t know what they thought the bali would do…
One time I was defending a camp for an hour+ agaisnt 2-3. I knew where it was leading to (4-5 rush) so I built an AC & Bali. They came and saw them. Didn’t enter the camp while a couple ran away. Standoff for about 5min and then the treb fire started…
Unfortunately the days of max upgraded camps is over for solo roamers ;-(
Now I have to try and take them while ebay defends them zealously at night. T3 camp with 1 defender, meh challenge. 2/3/4 defenders, eeks! Runaway from the wolfpack! Thankfully the “borderland tour” is always an option for great trolling opportunity ;-)
Berserker vs. others – everything is fine and fun until a pistol packing dagger wielding thief jumps you Then you melt like butter more often than not and Lord knows those little kittens are hiding in the weeds just waiting to bite at your ankles…
OP – nice video, thank you for sharing. I run LB/Staff in WvW but run Nature Magic, Beastmastery, and Druid instead. I tried a build similar to yours trying to min/max conditional damage with toughness and healing, couldn’t get it right. So I ended up this route using Celestial armor and power, toughness, healing power accessories. So I play the heavier sustain/armor (3200) with healing and kill them with boredom
No, seriously. That pistol packing mamma / asura I mentioned above, I don’t fret over them anymore – lol. On the other hand, that Necro…. But at the end of the day it is all about managing Celestial Avatar then the rest falls into place.
Again, thanks for sharing. Enjoyable.
Main – Laaz Rocket – Guardian (Ehmry Bay)
Johnny Johnny – Ranger (Ehmry Bay)
Hárvey Wallbanger – Alt Warrior (Ehmry Bay)
Berserker vs. others – everything is fine and fun until a pistol packing dagger wielding thief jumps you Then you melt like butter more often than not and Lord knows those little kittens are hiding in the weeds just waiting to bite at your ankles…
OP – nice video, thank you for sharing. I run LB/Staff in WvW but run Nature Magic, Beastmastery, and Druid instead. I tried a build similar to yours trying to min/max conditional damage with toughness and healing, couldn’t get it right. So I ended up this route using Celestial armor and power, toughness, healing power accessories. So I play the heavier sustain/armor (3200) with healing and kill them with boredom
No, seriously. That pistol packing mamma / asura I mentioned above, I don’t fret over them anymore – lol. On the other hand, that Necro…. But at the end of the day it is all about managing Celestial Avatar then the rest falls into place.
Again, thanks for sharing. Enjoyable.
3200 armor !?!?
Chop that down to 2800 max and put it into vita or healing or something offensive.
Berserker vs. others – everything is fine and fun until a pistol packing dagger wielding thief jumps you Then you melt like butter more often than not and Lord knows those little kittens are hiding in the weeds just waiting to bite at your ankles…
OP – nice video, thank you for sharing. I run LB/Staff in WvW but run Nature Magic, Beastmastery, and Druid instead. I tried a build similar to yours trying to min/max conditional damage with toughness and healing, couldn’t get it right. So I ended up this route using Celestial armor and power, toughness, healing power accessories. So I play the heavier sustain/armor (3200) with healing and kill them with boredom
No, seriously. That pistol packing mamma / asura I mentioned above, I don’t fret over them anymore – lol. On the other hand, that Necro…. But at the end of the day it is all about managing Celestial Avatar then the rest falls into place.
Again, thanks for sharing. Enjoyable.
I rarely have trouble with thieves. Most of the ones I run into are hot garbage, the good ones are still a pretty fair fight since they have to go glassy to be a real threat. And necros are easy bags with the mobility this build offers.
Seriously I think the one thing that kills me more than anything in wvw are “obstructed. .. obstructed”.
I can’t count how many times I missed a stealth or knock back because the grass was too tall.
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3200 armor !?!?
Chop that down to 2800 max and put it into vita or healing or something offensive.
I know – I just like it. It is like killing them with kindness But seriously, it comes in handy while roaming/scouting/camp flipping etc. I think of it like built for comfort not speed. But yeah, it can be difficult to kill.
But on the other hand if I am paired up with something, it is pure goodness Celestial shadow is a lot of fun. It works and agree with you. I could tone it down but for me it seems to be a comfort spot at the moment.
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Johnny Johnny – Ranger (Ehmry Bay)
Hárvey Wallbanger – Alt Warrior (Ehmry Bay)
ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
Yup, the hybrid build works really well when fighting outnumbered and having to kite around for half the fight.
I flipped a camp, sat outside of bay and repeatedly killed groups of 2-4 players. It got to the point where they built a bali to….. I honestly don’t know what they thought the bali would do…
You on Ebay?
Main – Laaz Rocket – Guardian (Ehmry Bay)
Johnny Johnny – Ranger (Ehmry Bay)
Hárvey Wallbanger – Alt Warrior (Ehmry Bay)
ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
Yup, the hybrid build works really well when fighting outnumbered and having to kite around for half the fight.
I flipped a camp, sat outside of bay and repeatedly killed groups of 2-4 players. It got to the point where they built a bali to….. I honestly don’t know what they thought the bali would do…
You on Ebay?
One of my accounts is but that account doesn’t have HoT so I run a vanilla power ranger on Ebay.
Also known as Puck when my account isn’t suspended
LGN
ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
Yup, the hybrid build works really well when fighting outnumbered and having to kite around for half the fight.
I flipped a camp, sat outside of bay and repeatedly killed groups of 2-4 players. It got to the point where they built a bali to….. I honestly don’t know what they thought the bali would do…
You on Ebay?
One of my accounts is but that account doesn’t have HoT so I run a vanilla power ranger on Ebay.
You are not [EBAY] nights are you? ;-(
oh I see your LGN tag sorry.
ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
Yup, the hybrid build works really well when fighting outnumbered and having to kite around for half the fight.
I flipped a camp, sat outside of bay and repeatedly killed groups of 2-4 players. It got to the point where they built a bali to….. I honestly don’t know what they thought the bali would do…
You on Ebay?
One of my accounts is but that account doesn’t have HoT so I run a vanilla power ranger on Ebay.
You are not [EBAY] nights are you? ;-(
oh I see your LGN tag sorry.
Usually during EU time, like 10ish to 4ish est, I work nights. I spend the majority of my time on my other account though, usually the roaming is a bit better in T2/T3 during those hours.
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ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
Yup, the hybrid build works really well when fighting outnumbered and having to kite around for half the fight.
I flipped a camp, sat outside of bay and repeatedly killed groups of 2-4 players. It got to the point where they built a bali to….. I honestly don’t know what they thought the bali would do…
One time I was defending a camp for an hour+ agaisnt 2-3. I knew where it was leading to (4-5 rush) so I built an AC & Bali. They came and saw them. Didn’t enter the camp while a couple ran away. Standoff for about 5min and then the treb fire started…
Unfortunately the days of max upgraded camps is over for solo roamers ;-(
Now I have to try and take them while ebay defends them zealously at night. T3 camp with 1 defender, meh challenge. 2/3/4 defenders, eeks! Runaway from the wolfpack! Thankfully the “borderland tour” is always an option for great trolling opportunity ;-)
Lol, I remember back when IoJ was in T3 and having their exodus, I was holding a camp for upwards of 3+ hours trying to get Mendon’s upgraded. This was back when trapper Ranger was extra broken so I had like 6 people trying to take this camp from me until they gave up for a while, came back, then aggro’d the Arborial Spirit to crush the guards and kill me.
They then proceeded to sit in the camp with AC’s and other siege so I couldn’t take it back from them.
Berserker vs. others – everything is fine and fun until a pistol packing dagger wielding thief jumps you Then you melt like butter more often than not and Lord knows those little kittens are hiding in the weeds just waiting to bite at your ankles…
OP – nice video, thank you for sharing. I run LB/Staff in WvW but run Nature Magic, Beastmastery, and Druid instead. I tried a build similar to yours trying to min/max conditional damage with toughness and healing, couldn’t get it right. So I ended up this route using Celestial armor and power, toughness, healing power accessories. So I play the heavier sustain/armor (3200) with healing and kill them with boredom
No, seriously. That pistol packing mamma / asura I mentioned above, I don’t fret over them anymore – lol. On the other hand, that Necro…. But at the end of the day it is all about managing Celestial Avatar then the rest falls into place.
Again, thanks for sharing. Enjoyable.
I rarely have trouble with thieves. Most of the ones I run into are hot garbage, the good ones are still a pretty fair fight since they have to go glassy to be a real threat. And necros are easy bags with the mobility this build offers.
Seriously I think the one thing that kills me more than anything in wvw are “obstructed. .. obstructed”.
I can’t count how many times I missed a stealth or knock back because the grass was too tall.
I run a standard pew pew Ranger, Berserker/Assassin hybrid, 93% Precision with Fury, Longbow + GS and some poison stacking pets and do just fine against basically everything.
The only things I have issues against are Scrappers, Dragonhunters if they catch me in a bad spot, condition Mesmers and condition Thieves. Besides that, 1v1 I’ll win the majority of my fights. Although since I’m squishy as all hell and have terrible multi-target damage, it’s pretty rare that I win outnumbered fights unless I’m really smart about it. Especially considering I don’t run Druid for those clutch heal/stealth escapes.
Still, I always get a big grin on my face when a Thief tries to jump me and almost immediately gets 100 – 0 countered. As long as you’ve got eyes on the back of your head and know what kind of tricks they can have up their sleeves they’re really not that scary. Even though condition Thieves are the hardest for me because of their sustain, it’s the good S/P Thieves that I’m the most scared of.
Berserker vs. others – everything is fine and fun until a pistol packing dagger wielding thief jumps you Then you melt like butter more often than not and Lord knows those little kittens are hiding in the weeds just waiting to bite at your ankles…
OP – nice video, thank you for sharing. I run LB/Staff in WvW but run Nature Magic, Beastmastery, and Druid instead. I tried a build similar to yours trying to min/max conditional damage with toughness and healing, couldn’t get it right. So I ended up this route using Celestial armor and power, toughness, healing power accessories. So I play the heavier sustain/armor (3200) with healing and kill them with boredom
No, seriously. That pistol packing mamma / asura I mentioned above, I don’t fret over them anymore – lol. On the other hand, that Necro…. But at the end of the day it is all about managing Celestial Avatar then the rest falls into place.
Again, thanks for sharing. Enjoyable.
I rarely have trouble with thieves. Most of the ones I run into are hot garbage, the good ones are still a pretty fair fight since they have to go glassy to be a real threat. And necros are easy bags with the mobility this build offers.
Seriously I think the one thing that kills me more than anything in wvw are “obstructed. .. obstructed”.
I can’t count how many times I missed a stealth or knock back because the grass was too tall.
I run a standard pew pew Ranger, Berserker/Assassin hybrid, 93% Precision with Fury, Longbow + GS and some poison stacking pets and do just fine against basically everything.
The only things I have issues against are Scrappers, Dragonhunters if they catch me in a bad spot, condition Mesmers and condition Thieves. Besides that, 1v1 I’ll win the majority of my fights. Although since I’m squishy as all hell and have terrible multi-target damage, it’s pretty rare that I win outnumbered fights unless I’m really smart about it. Especially considering I don’t run Druid for those clutch heal/stealth escapes.
Still, I always get a big grin on my face when a Thief tries to jump me and almost immediately gets 100 – 0 countered. As long as you’ve got eyes on the back of your head and know what kind of tricks they can have up their sleeves they’re really not that scary. Even though condition Thieves are the hardest for me because of their sustain, it’s the good S/P Thieves that I’m the most scared of.
Man I haven’t even seen a sword pistol thief in months. Actually the only one that gave me trouble recently was a staff thief that evaded for days and hit hard as kitten. I really need to spend a couple days on my thief to learn the staff animations, I just hate playing him now that they removed guard stacks and I don’t have a marauders set yet.
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Man I haven’t even seen a sword pistol thief in months. Actually the only one that gave me trouble recently was a staff thief that evaded for days and hit hard as kitten. I really need to spend a couple days on my thief to learn the staff animations, I just hate playing him now that they removed guard stacks and I don’t have a marauders set yet.
They’re definitely not that common, fortunately. But I’ve run in to more than a few and I’ve learned that if they’re running S/P, they’re probably really good. It’s not a forgiving weapon combo to use but if you’re good with it it, it’s so kitten strong. That Pistol Whip, especially if they Steal to you if you try to move away, is just so brutal.
S/P is largely invalidated, though. P/P on Unload does way more damage with a much higher degree of safety, particularly when using DrD.
Hell of a lot easier to counter though, lol. Have met like maybe 1 P/P Thief that was actually a challenging fight. Otherwise Ranger pew pew > Thief pew pew.
But yeah if they catch you off guard it can get ugly fast. I had one destroy me on my Necro a few weeks ago and I was not at all expecting how fast the damage came, particularly because his other set was D/P which is what I thought he was going to attack me with.
ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
I am not a fan of the build she use, not my playstyle, but i like the very specific choices and the theory craft work on it.
As regards the OP’s question, you could move in T1 where roamers are more aggressive to test your build. Just an idea.
On a side note, i would have appreciated some music (i think i can remember an old vid of yours with good songs).
“obviously works” well ofc it can work.. but i mean cmon. you say my build is less effective? what? have you read my earlier posts on this thread? i explain in full detail why it is that you dont actually have “more” dps just because “it ticks even when kiting”
it ticks when kiting. yes. but all youve done is SPREAD the damage over a longer window of time. you did not increase your dps in any way. ALSO. i have tried using the survival bleed utility. it adds no dmg at all. almost entirely useless.. even with krait runes.
and as for other people saying they achieve 2.5 k ticks when they arent hitting… thats simply not true. i mean unless you think fighting training golems is fun. youre never going to reach 2.5 k on any half decent enemy.
ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
I am not a fan of the build she use, not my playstyle, but i like the very specific choices and the theory craft work on it.
As regards the OP’s question, you could move in T1 where roamers are more aggressive to test your build. Just an idea.
On a side note, i would have appreciated some music (i think i can remember an old vid of yours with good songs).
“obviously works” well ofc it can work.. but i mean cmon. you say my build is less effective? what? have you read my earlier posts on this thread? i explain in full detail why it is that you dont actually have “more” dps just because “it ticks even when kiting”
it ticks when kiting. yes. but all youve done is SPREAD the damage over a longer window of time. you did not increase your dps in any way. ALSO. i have tried using the survival bleed utility. it adds no dmg at all. almost entirely useless.. even with krait runes.
and as for other people saying they achieve 2.5 k ticks when they arent hitting… thats simply not true. i mean unless you think fighting training golems is fun. youre never going to reach 2.5 k on any half decent enemy.
You have made your position clear, now move on please.
ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
I am not a fan of the build she use, not my playstyle, but i like the very specific choices and the theory craft work on it.
As regards the OP’s question, you could move in T1 where roamers are more aggressive to test your build. Just an idea.
On a side note, i would have appreciated some music (i think i can remember an old vid of yours with good songs).
“obviously works” well ofc it can work.. but i mean cmon. you say my build is less effective? what? have you read my earlier posts on this thread? i explain in full detail why it is that you dont actually have “more” dps just because “it ticks even when kiting”
it ticks when kiting. yes. but all youve done is SPREAD the damage over a longer window of time. you did not increase your dps in any way. ALSO. i have tried using the survival bleed utility. it adds no dmg at all. almost entirely useless.. even with krait runes.
and as for other people saying they achieve 2.5 k ticks when they arent hitting… thats simply not true. i mean unless you think fighting training golems is fun. youre never going to reach 2.5 k on any half decent enemy.
2.5k is 20 stacks of bleed, or basically 1 entangle/mad king proc, or 1 ancient seeds/rapid fire with the stacks they already have on them from the auto attacks.
Remember every hit is 1 or 2 bleeds, it’s really not that hard to keep them up.
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I was messing with this build the other night, I was also skeptical but the bleeds really do stack up rather quickly. A lot of fights ended rather quickly as people ignored the bleed then found themselves down, it’s deceptively strong damage if you can get an ancient seeds proc with a rapid fire and the bleed utility. I found scrappers almost impossible to damage with it, that might be a class matchup thing more than anything though. Mesmers and thieves were a lot of fun to hunt though.
And I main S/P thief, it’s an underrated build. Bound and pulmonary impact with draining sigil really opened up the build into something more than mindless 3 spam. I find D/P thief about as interesting as meta druid though, so maybe I just like being odd.
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I was messing with this build the other night, I was also skeptical but the bleeds really do stack up rather quickly. A lot of fights ended rather quickly as people ignored the bleed then found themselves down, it’s deceptively strong damage if you can get an ancient seeds proc with a rapid fire and the bleed utility. I found scrappers almost impossible to damage with it, that might be a class matchup thing more than anything though. Mesmers and thieves were a lot of fun to hunt though.
And I main S/P thief, it’s an underrated build. Bound and pulmonary impact with draining sigil really opened up the build into something more than mindless 3 spam. I find D/P thief about as interesting as meta druid though, so maybe I just like being odd.
if the scrapper is borderline bunker its a looong boring fight. I had one frequent enemy roaming scrapper that was so bunker that whenever I saw him I would just run past him while he flailed at me. But he was the exception wrather than the norm.
I was messing with this build the other night, I was also skeptical but the bleeds really do stack up rather quickly. A lot of fights ended rather quickly as people ignored the bleed then found themselves down, it’s deceptively strong damage if you can get an ancient seeds proc with a rapid fire and the bleed utility. I found scrappers almost impossible to damage with it, that might be a class matchup thing more than anything though. Mesmers and thieves were a lot of fun to hunt though.
And I main S/P thief, it’s an underrated build. Bound and pulmonary impact with draining sigil really opened up the build into something more than mindless 3 spam. I find D/P thief about as interesting as meta druid though, so maybe I just like being odd.
That’s weird, do you remember what kind of scrapper it was? I haven’t really found them to be a counter.
I haven’t really found any class in particular that hard counters this, but I have run into a few roamers with a crap ton of sustain and condi removal where we couldn’t kill each other unless one of us made a mistake. Those were mostly ele’s and wars though.
I could see a marauder scrapper with defender runes being a tough fight for this build, but they’d still have to do a kitten good job of managing their condi clears, and they’d still have a hard time closing the gap on you.
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I was messing with this build the other night, I was also skeptical but the bleeds really do stack up rather quickly. A lot of fights ended rather quickly as people ignored the bleed then found themselves down, it’s deceptively strong damage if you can get an ancient seeds proc with a rapid fire and the bleed utility. I found scrappers almost impossible to damage with it, that might be a class matchup thing more than anything though. Mesmers and thieves were a lot of fun to hunt though.
And I main S/P thief, it’s an underrated build. Bound and pulmonary impact with draining sigil really opened up the build into something more than mindless 3 spam. I find D/P thief about as interesting as meta druid though, so maybe I just like being odd.
That’s weird, do you remember what kind of scrapper it was? I haven’t really found them to be a counter.
I haven’t really found any class in particular that hard counters this, but I have run into a few roamers with a crap ton of sustain and condi removal where we couldn’t kill each other unless one of us made a mistake. Those were mostly ele’s and wars though.
I could see a marauder scrapper with defender runes being a tough fight for this build, but they’d still have to do a kitten good job of managing their condi clears, and they’d still have a hard time closing the gap on you.
It’s more about the reflect from my experience. Failing a pbs/rf on a scrapper draws the fight out even longer. That probably has more to do with the fact the scrapper I have is like 3hrs old at max unlock though.
I was messing with this build the other night, I was also skeptical but the bleeds really do stack up rather quickly. A lot of fights ended rather quickly as people ignored the bleed then found themselves down, it’s deceptively strong damage if you can get an ancient seeds proc with a rapid fire and the bleed utility. I found scrappers almost impossible to damage with it, that might be a class matchup thing more than anything though. Mesmers and thieves were a lot of fun to hunt though.
And I main S/P thief, it’s an underrated build. Bound and pulmonary impact with draining sigil really opened up the build into something more than mindless 3 spam. I find D/P thief about as interesting as meta druid though, so maybe I just like being odd.
That’s weird, do you remember what kind of scrapper it was? I haven’t really found them to be a counter.
I haven’t really found any class in particular that hard counters this, but I have run into a few roamers with a crap ton of sustain and condi removal where we couldn’t kill each other unless one of us made a mistake. Those were mostly ele’s and wars though.
I could see a marauder scrapper with defender runes being a tough fight for this build, but they’d still have to do a kitten good job of managing their condi clears, and they’d still have a hard time closing the gap on you.
It’s more about the reflect from my experience. Failing a pbs/rf on a scrapper draws the fight out even longer. That probably has more to do with the fact the scrapper I have is like 3hrs old at max unlock though.
I didn’t go with defensive stats on my staff so it does a pretty good job of keeping the pressure on while they are trying to reflect. I also switched back to running entangle over SotP, and most engis are pretty vulnerable to the constant cc
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ah that’s not what I mean though.. I’m just trying to explain how and why, for pure dmg stats, zerker would still be better than this condi spec etc..
It’s kind of wierd to question the OP’s build that obviously works. The build she use seems to be effective in outnumbered fights when the one you actually use is not, or is maybe less effective (i also watched your vid), cuz in a pure power build, you have no damage while kitting.
I am not a fan of the build she use, not my playstyle, but i like the very specific choices and the theory craft work on it.
As regards the OP’s question, you could move in T1 where roamers are more aggressive to test your build. Just an idea.
On a side note, i would have appreciated some music (i think i can remember an old vid of yours with good songs).
“obviously works” well ofc it can work.. but i mean cmon. you say my build is less effective? what? have you read my earlier posts on this thread? i explain in full detail why it is that you dont actually have “more” dps just because “it ticks even when kiting”
it ticks when kiting. yes. but all youve done is SPREAD the damage over a longer window of time. you did not increase your dps in any way. ALSO. i have tried using the survival bleed utility. it adds no dmg at all. almost entirely useless.. even with krait runes.
and as for other people saying they achieve 2.5 k ticks when they arent hitting… thats simply not true. i mean unless you think fighting training golems is fun. youre never going to reach 2.5 k on any half decent enemy.
2.5k is 20 stacks of bleed, or basically 1 entangle/mad king proc, or 1 ancient seeds/rapid fire with the stacks they already have on them from the auto attacks.
Remember every hit is 1 or 2 bleeds, it’s really not that hard to keep them up.
20 STACKS OF BLEED….??? yea. id LOVE to see you keep TWENTY ****** STACKS of bleeding on an opponent. holy ……… what have you been smoking? you think you can maintain 20 stacks of ANY condition on an enemy? WTF?
i know this build’s idea is fun to play and interesting, but it just isnt more effective than full power.
basically youre saying that you like fighting training golems. ok. i get it.
you would have to hit EVERY single thing, and pop all your stuff at once. then youre left with nothing. and it only takes like.. idk… 2-4 condi cleanses and its all gone. now youre all on cooldown. GG.
this build is only gonna be good in wvw when youre fighting the zergers that died and are trying to get back to their commander. i mean its like stealing candy from a baby.
do you not understand how its impossible to do this?
Then you melt like butter more often than not and Lord knows those little kittens are hiding in the weeds just waiting to bite at your ankles…
But seriously, it comes in handy while roaming/scouting/camp flipping etc. I think of it like built for comfort not speed. But yeah, it can be difficult to kill.