Crit/Survive - Is there hope?

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Posted by: Ghrim.6139

Ghrim.6139

I’ve gone back 5 or 6 pages looking for a Ranger build that focuses on crits and survivability… and they are scarce, virtually non existent. I understand, kind of, that the last patch hobbled us and the focus, err ‘meta’ build, became spirits.

I currently use a spirit build in sPvP and it definitely gives tank-like results. But seriously, I hate managing those spirits, I’m not a spirit master, beastmaster, sure. However, it’s not what I want my ranger to be.

So I came up with the following build, a jack of all trades, master none. My goal was to get something that floated like a butterfly, and stung like a bee, if you will.

http://tinyurl.com/m5mbkk4

I’m going to try it out. In theory it seems decent. But let me be honest, this post is really just a fishing expedition to see if any one else out there is having success with something similar.

This would be for sPvP only as I level up.

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

I’m not sure what you’re trying to accomplish with this build because you’re certainly not going to have too much survivability and your ability to contest a point may suffer due to you forgoing all Melee abilities and being reliant on kiting.

However, one thing your build WILL do well against is necros, you have a blind, an immob to keep them back, 2 interrupts on yourself, a lot of vitality to mitigate their condi spams, etc.

So your build may have -some- flaws, but due to the condi heavy meta you’ll probably be well off. I would change your runes up though, maybe give yourself some more defensive runes (maybe finish out Dolyak set), or something like The Grove to give you an immob and better protection uptime.

Just my 2 cents!!

PS: watch your raven, it will blow up fairly easily in fights.

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Posted by: Prysin.8542

Prysin.8542

Full valkyrie + 30/25/5/10/0 would grant you heavy crits, lots of HP and a decent heal (+33% regen duration)

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Posted by: Ghrim.6139

Ghrim.6139

Yea, I expect there to be kinks… I was going for a fully mobile build, so mobile I wont be able to stay on the point, apparently.

Would LB and GS be more formidable in (attempting) to take a point… or is GS too defensive?

Would more Toughness be better than vitality…

I change pets constantly, that’s never static…

I tweaked the build a bit… went rune of the earth all the way down, increases duration of protection on dodge roll, adds toughness…

Went with Soldiers Amulet/Knight’s Jewel, increase in toughness along with vitality… would Valkyrie’s healing power be a better help with my healing ticks from Troll U, than having Vitality?

Reworked my trait spread… gives a bit better regen…

Anyway, reworked build below… It’s seems a bit thin, but I’m interested to see what it will be like in sPvP…

http://tinyurl.com/k7jpmbw

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Posted by: ChillyChinaman.6057

ChillyChinaman.6057

Just thinking out loud here, but would a GS/LB Remorseless build work using Valkyrie gear with Cavalier trinkets? You wouldn’t really need Precision since Precise Strike/Hunter’s Shot would give you a crit every weapon swap. Maybe combine with Sigils of Intelligence?

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Posted by: Ghrim.6139

Ghrim.6139

Thanks guys for the feed back… the low vitality on Valkyrie Amulet/Jewel may make me more susceptible to condition builds… however I like the 33% regen … I tweaked the build again incorporating the trait point spread….

http://tinyurl.com/lzb28gs

**EDIT: If it wasn’t clear, this build is focused on PvP…. eventually I’ll use a form of it in WvW….

(edited by Ghrim.6139)

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Posted by: Ghrim.6139

Ghrim.6139

Yeah… this didn’t work out so much… disappointing. Back to the drawing board.

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Posted by: Kjeldoran.3849

Kjeldoran.3849

this is what i use in hearth of the mists:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQJATRjIVF2JWCWs2Bi1j90nB1Ukp+zUcIGdynagE-ToAg0CtIMSZkzIjRSjsGNIYJC

i’m quite suscetible to conditions but i can kill ppl really fast and if you well play your match you are really hard to kill (in 90% of my matches i never die, nor get downed, and i kill always 10+ ppl). If you want to get more cond resistence change SotH for SoR

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Posted by: Sarlack.4096

Sarlack.4096

Solo/small man DD ranged

http://tinyurl.com/mt3la6d

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Posted by: Tracker.6483

Tracker.6483

Try this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBHhVaEoKyOzyyi1SQsKIo2jMJJMxUYI+7K4/SWRUA-TsAAzCqIgR5jzHDMyisFNqYVxkAA

Start with Horn/Axe – change weapons as available. You will keep up Fury and Swiftness for 30 seconds if you swap weapons on cooldown. You will drop them for all 5 seconds before being able to re-apply Horn 5.

50% bleed duration. 20% duration of other condis
73% or 68% crit chance for 30 out of every 35 seconds.

Very quick and sustained bleed stacking for heavy damage.

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Posted by: Sube Dai.8496

Sube Dai.8496

Solo/small man DD ranged

http://tinyurl.com/mt3la6d

This looks interesting. Well balanced.

I wonder is the crit damage high enough to warrant going DD though?

@OP, the problem with DD crit builds is that there is 3 stats you need to max, ie. power, precision and crit damage. That leaves no stat points for toughness/vit/healing.

Condition dmg on the other hand – you only have to max one offensive stat (condition dmg) and still have two free for survivability. That is why condition builds are the current meta.

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Posted by: Sarlack.4096

Sarlack.4096

Solo/small man DD ranged

http://tinyurl.com/mt3la6d

This looks interesting. Well balanced.

I wonder is the crit damage high enough to warrant going DD though?

@OP, the problem with DD crit builds is that there is 3 stats you need to max, ie. power, precision and crit damage. That leaves no stat points for toughness/vit/healing.

Condition dmg on the other hand – you only have to max one offensive stat (condition dmg) and still have two free for survivability. That is why condition builds are the current meta.

With Bloodlust and guard stacks I am hitting over 3500 attack and the damage is pretty good for the defense

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Posted by: Chopps.5047

Chopps.5047

The Hydralisk Build (ranger zerging with crits / condi / healing)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/external?l=http%3A%2F%2Fgw2skills.net%2Feditor%2F%3FfMAQNAnfVjEVx15VuVs2BkWhMh9wQckH59IWSFRMljUF1eA-jUyAIMBRSAIVBgOAlHLiGbJsIas6ZA1NmCeR1CBoYOA-w

70% crit chance or better
1000 condition damage
800+ healing power

Traps / bleeds / stomps GG

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Posted by: Ghrim.6139

Ghrim.6139

@Sube That makes sense.. unfortunate, but logical… thanks.
@Tracker… definitely do not want to deal with spirits any more, to much micro management, using the pet to its fullest is more interesting to me… thanks
@Chopps This looks doable, not stun breaks could hurt, but I’ll give it go…

Thanks for all the input, it’s very helpful, if a bit disappointing.

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Posted by: Tracker.6483

Tracker.6483

@Ghrim – my build does not have spirits. Check again heheh.

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Posted by: Ghrim.6139

Ghrim.6139

Sorry Tracker… was seeing things, apparently… I need to go back to the drawing board, crit/survivability has very little, if any, hope…

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Posted by: Setun.4368

Setun.4368

Guess you missed my build then….here’s the link for you:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Revamped-Woodsman-Build/first#post2676193

In Spvp I use knights amulet w/ soldier’s jewel (iirc). Stats are nowhere near as high as they normally are in wvw, but it’s close enough.

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Posted by: Ghrim.6139

Ghrim.6139

Ok, I did miss it… And I am intrigued…. When I get home I’ll watch the video and give it a go… Thanks!

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Posted by: Setun.4368

Setun.4368

Hope you like it!