Debunking the Ranger rage.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
“i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??”
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
Winters Ascension The White Guardian
Sophia Theos Beast Master
[Fissure of Woe]
Sophia Theos Beast Master
[Fissure of Woe]
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
jaguars are pretty much 1-shot by everything, even with 30 in BM.
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
(edited by Jazenn.7526)
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Did you have a heal up? Did you have prot up? There are always variables. Did you pull your pet back after that first hit? Even if your pet didnt die in 1 hit, taking 90% of its hp out with 1 hit is still stupid. Pets are worse in dungeons than they are in pvp, and thats bad.
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Once you’ve invested 15 in nature magic and 15 into BM, you don’t have much left to invest into glass cannon traits and one of the reasons that Warriors blow everyone else out of the water is that they can survive even after they throw everything into damage dealing talents while maxing out precision and crit damage.
As for pet survival, you can get them to survive some stuff with the right pet management, but even with the best tactics, you won’t get damage out of them the same as a player. Until pets learn to strafe to attack a mob from behind or to dodge attacks instead of completely running out, you will always have a big drain on dps by relying on a pet, even if you can pull off somethign decent in ideal conditions.
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Did you have a heal up? Did you have prot up? There are always variables. Did you pull your pet back after that first hit? Even if your pet didnt die in 1 hit, taking 90% of its hp out with 1 hit is still stupid. Pets are worse in dungeons than they are in pvp, and thats bad.
About 50% of the time with HS, yes, and lots of prot and regen from fortifying bond. I pulled him back occasionally to avoid pbaoe. And no, it wasn’t 90% either, it was somewhere around 50% I think, maybe slightly less than. I agree there is a dungeon issue with pets. But there is such thing as over-exaggerating the issue.
“i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??”
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
Those armadillos would be a lot cooler if they looked more like real armadillos. mmm armadillos
-BnooMaGoo.5690
-BnooMaGoo.5690
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Once you’ve invested 15 in nature magic and 15 into BM, you don’t have much left to invest into glass cannon traits and one of the reasons that Warriors blow everyone else out of the water is that they can survive even after they throw everything into damage dealing talents while maxing out precision and crit damage.
As for pet survival, you can get them to survive some stuff with the right pet management, but even with the best tactics, you won’t get damage out of them the same as a player. Until pets learn to strafe to attack a mob from behind or to dodge attacks instead of completely running out, you will always have a big drain on dps by relying on a pet, even if you can pull off somethign decent in ideal conditions.
Actually you do. Still 40 points to be distributed. What you have to take into consideration when optimizing ranger damage is your pet as well, which is also given help by traits.
Yes, your dps will drop when your pet dies. By keeping your pet alive longer, switching before death, and keeping constant combined damage, you can in my opinion outweigh that temporary dps drop with the damage you get from when it is alive. Outside of dungeons, my pets die a lot less as well. And again, in that video, if you replace the guardian with a ranger, I’m saying that the ranger is able to do better than the guardian. Your pet won’t die in that 15 seconds, the npc barely had time to attack, so in that context survivability is negligible. In dungeons in general though, I AGREE that pets have survivability issues due to very little damage mitigation or avoidance.
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Once you’ve invested 15 in nature magic and 15 into BM, you don’t have much left to invest into glass cannon traits and one of the reasons that Warriors blow everyone else out of the water is that they can survive even after they throw everything into damage dealing talents while maxing out precision and crit damage.
As for pet survival, you can get them to survive some stuff with the right pet management, but even with the best tactics, you won’t get damage out of them the same as a player. Until pets learn to strafe to attack a mob from behind or to dodge attacks instead of completely running out, you will always have a big drain on dps by relying on a pet, even if you can pull off somethign decent in ideal conditions.
Actually you do. Still 40 points to be distributed. What you have to take into consideration when optimizing ranger damage is your pet as well, which is also given help by traits.
Yes, your dps will drop when your pet dies. By keeping your pet alive longer, switching before death, and keeping constant combined damage, you can in my opinion outweigh that temporary dps drop with the damage you get from when it is alive. Outside of dungeons, my pets die a lot less as well. And again, in that video, if you replace the guardian with a ranger, I’m saying that the ranger is able to do better than the guardian. Your pet won’t die in that 15 seconds, the npc barely had time to attack, so in that context survivability is negligible. In dungeons in general though, I AGREE that pets have survivability issues due to very little damage mitigation or avoidance.
Compared to warrior that can fill both their power and crit trees.
With 40 points, you either don’t max your precision/crit damage (biggest source of damage from stats) or you miss out on piercing arrows. Either that or you try to run melee and get torn to shreds without a significant investment in defensive stats.
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Once you’ve invested 15 in nature magic and 15 into BM, you don’t have much left to invest into glass cannon traits and one of the reasons that Warriors blow everyone else out of the water is that they can survive even after they throw everything into damage dealing talents while maxing out precision and crit damage.
As for pet survival, you can get them to survive some stuff with the right pet management, but even with the best tactics, you won’t get damage out of them the same as a player. Until pets learn to strafe to attack a mob from behind or to dodge attacks instead of completely running out, you will always have a big drain on dps by relying on a pet, even if you can pull off somethign decent in ideal conditions.
Actually you do. Still 40 points to be distributed. What you have to take into consideration when optimizing ranger damage is your pet as well, which is also given help by traits.
Yes, your dps will drop when your pet dies. By keeping your pet alive longer, switching before death, and keeping constant combined damage, you can in my opinion outweigh that temporary dps drop with the damage you get from when it is alive. Outside of dungeons, my pets die a lot less as well. And again, in that video, if you replace the guardian with a ranger, I’m saying that the ranger is able to do better than the guardian. Your pet won’t die in that 15 seconds, the npc barely had time to attack, so in that context survivability is negligible. In dungeons in general though, I AGREE that pets have survivability issues due to very little damage mitigation or avoidance.
Compared to warrior that can fill both their power and crit trees.
With 40 points, you either don’t max your precision/crit damage (biggest source of damage from stats) or you miss out on piercing arrows. Either that or you try to run melee and get torn to shreds without a significant investment in defensive stats.
Or maybe you should try melee yourself as a warrior with power and precision maxed out.
“i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??”
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
“i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??”
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
(edited by Lighter.5631)
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Once you’ve invested 15 in nature magic and 15 into BM, you don’t have much left to invest into glass cannon traits and one of the reasons that Warriors blow everyone else out of the water is that they can survive even after they throw everything into damage dealing talents while maxing out precision and crit damage.
As for pet survival, you can get them to survive some stuff with the right pet management, but even with the best tactics, you won’t get damage out of them the same as a player. Until pets learn to strafe to attack a mob from behind or to dodge attacks instead of completely running out, you will always have a big drain on dps by relying on a pet, even if you can pull off somethign decent in ideal conditions.
It isnt just warriors, my engi, thief, and guardian can all survive incredibly well after putting everything into GC stats/traits. Ranger cant. Ele cant(but can do it better than ranger due to mist form and ride the lightning).
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Did you have a heal up? Did you have prot up? There are always variables. Did you pull your pet back after that first hit? Even if your pet didnt die in 1 hit, taking 90% of its hp out with 1 hit is still stupid. Pets are worse in dungeons than they are in pvp, and thats bad.
About 50% of the time with HS, yes, and lots of prot and regen from fortifying bond. I pulled him back occasionally to avoid pbaoe. And no, it wasn’t 90% either, it was somewhere around 50% I think, maybe slightly less than. I agree there is a dungeon issue with pets. But there is such thing as over-exaggerating the issue.
Normally, rangers are great in normal pve, but no dungeon bosses 1 shot my pet most of the time. I run squishy pets tho but they shouldnt get 1-2 shotted or killed in seconds. By pulling your pet back you lose a huge chunk of damage, either way my problem isnt with pve, idc about pve, pvp is where its at and there pets are more of an issue than a solution.
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Once you’ve invested 15 in nature magic and 15 into BM, you don’t have much left to invest into glass cannon traits and one of the reasons that Warriors blow everyone else out of the water is that they can survive even after they throw everything into damage dealing talents while maxing out precision and crit damage.
As for pet survival, you can get them to survive some stuff with the right pet management, but even with the best tactics, you won’t get damage out of them the same as a player. Until pets learn to strafe to attack a mob from behind or to dodge attacks instead of completely running out, you will always have a big drain on dps by relying on a pet, even if you can pull off somethign decent in ideal conditions.
It isnt just warriors, my engi, thief, and guardian can all survive incredibly well after putting everything into GC stats/traits. Ranger cant. Ele cant(but can do it better than ranger due to mist form and ride the lightning).
Eh I still disagree. I think Chronix on youtube has some sPvP vids of him running glassy ranger.
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Did you have a heal up? Did you have prot up? There are always variables. Did you pull your pet back after that first hit? Even if your pet didnt die in 1 hit, taking 90% of its hp out with 1 hit is still stupid. Pets are worse in dungeons than they are in pvp, and thats bad.
About 50% of the time with HS, yes, and lots of prot and regen from fortifying bond. I pulled him back occasionally to avoid pbaoe. And no, it wasn’t 90% either, it was somewhere around 50% I think, maybe slightly less than. I agree there is a dungeon issue with pets. But there is such thing as over-exaggerating the issue.
Normally, rangers are great in normal pve, but no dungeon bosses 1 shot my pet most of the time. I run squishy pets tho but they shouldnt get 1-2 shotted or killed in seconds. By pulling your pet back you lose a huge chunk of damage, either way my problem isnt with pve, idc about pve, pvp is where its at and there pets are more of an issue than a solution.
You lose less damage than letting the pet die. I also enjoy pvp though, and I think pets have less issues there.
“i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??”
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Once you’ve invested 15 in nature magic and 15 into BM, you don’t have much left to invest into glass cannon traits and one of the reasons that Warriors blow everyone else out of the water is that they can survive even after they throw everything into damage dealing talents while maxing out precision and crit damage.
As for pet survival, you can get them to survive some stuff with the right pet management, but even with the best tactics, you won’t get damage out of them the same as a player. Until pets learn to strafe to attack a mob from behind or to dodge attacks instead of completely running out, you will always have a big drain on dps by relying on a pet, even if you can pull off somethign decent in ideal conditions.
It isnt just warriors, my engi, thief, and guardian can all survive incredibly well after putting everything into GC stats/traits. Ranger cant. Ele cant(but can do it better than ranger due to mist form and ride the lightning).
Eh I still disagree. I think Chronix on youtube has some sPvP vids of him running glassy ranger.
Post them then.
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Did you have a heal up? Did you have prot up? There are always variables. Did you pull your pet back after that first hit? Even if your pet didnt die in 1 hit, taking 90% of its hp out with 1 hit is still stupid. Pets are worse in dungeons than they are in pvp, and thats bad.
About 50% of the time with HS, yes, and lots of prot and regen from fortifying bond. I pulled him back occasionally to avoid pbaoe. And no, it wasn’t 90% either, it was somewhere around 50% I think, maybe slightly less than. I agree there is a dungeon issue with pets. But there is such thing as over-exaggerating the issue.
Normally, rangers are great in normal pve, but no dungeon bosses 1 shot my pet most of the time. I run squishy pets tho but they shouldnt get 1-2 shotted or killed in seconds. By pulling your pet back you lose a huge chunk of damage, either way my problem isnt with pve, idc about pve, pvp is where its at and there pets are more of an issue than a solution.
You lose less damage than letting the pet die. I also enjoy pvp though, and I think pets have less issues there.
No I agree, dont let your pet die, my point is you have to pull pet back to avoid letting it die, by doing so you lose damage. Other classes just dodge the attack and go back, they dont lose any real dps aside from the dodge roll.
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Did you have a heal up? Did you have prot up? There are always variables. Did you pull your pet back after that first hit? Even if your pet didnt die in 1 hit, taking 90% of its hp out with 1 hit is still stupid. Pets are worse in dungeons than they are in pvp, and thats bad.
About 50% of the time with HS, yes, and lots of prot and regen from fortifying bond. I pulled him back occasionally to avoid pbaoe. And no, it wasn’t 90% either, it was somewhere around 50% I think, maybe slightly less than. I agree there is a dungeon issue with pets. But there is such thing as over-exaggerating the issue.
Normally, rangers are great in normal pve, but no dungeon bosses 1 shot my pet most of the time. I run squishy pets tho but they shouldnt get 1-2 shotted or killed in seconds. By pulling your pet back you lose a huge chunk of damage, either way my problem isnt with pve, idc about pve, pvp is where its at and there pets are more of an issue than a solution.
You lose less damage than letting the pet die. I also enjoy pvp though, and I think pets have less issues there.
No I agree, dont let your pet die, my point is you have to pull pet back to avoid letting it die, by doing so you lose damage. Other classes just dodge the attack and go back, they dont lose any real dps aside from the dodge roll.
True. But how much of a loss is this? Is it enough to make the ranger put out less damage than other classes? (Besides warrior and thief)
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Did you have a heal up? Did you have prot up? There are always variables. Did you pull your pet back after that first hit? Even if your pet didnt die in 1 hit, taking 90% of its hp out with 1 hit is still stupid. Pets are worse in dungeons than they are in pvp, and thats bad.
About 50% of the time with HS, yes, and lots of prot and regen from fortifying bond. I pulled him back occasionally to avoid pbaoe. And no, it wasn’t 90% either, it was somewhere around 50% I think, maybe slightly less than. I agree there is a dungeon issue with pets. But there is such thing as over-exaggerating the issue.
Normally, rangers are great in normal pve, but no dungeon bosses 1 shot my pet most of the time. I run squishy pets tho but they shouldnt get 1-2 shotted or killed in seconds. By pulling your pet back you lose a huge chunk of damage, either way my problem isnt with pve, idc about pve, pvp is where its at and there pets are more of an issue than a solution.
You lose less damage than letting the pet die. I also enjoy pvp though, and I think pets have less issues there.
No I agree, dont let your pet die, my point is you have to pull pet back to avoid letting it die, by doing so you lose damage. Other classes just dodge the attack and go back, they dont lose any real dps aside from the dodge roll.
True. But how much of a loss is this? Is it enough to make the ranger put out less damage than other classes? (Besides warrior and thief)
I love how i saw people saying that warrior can’t put out enough damage compare to ranger without a build that gets you insta killed in melee and here i see this.
“i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??”
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Did you have a heal up? Did you have prot up? There are always variables. Did you pull your pet back after that first hit? Even if your pet didnt die in 1 hit, taking 90% of its hp out with 1 hit is still stupid. Pets are worse in dungeons than they are in pvp, and thats bad.
About 50% of the time with HS, yes, and lots of prot and regen from fortifying bond. I pulled him back occasionally to avoid pbaoe. And no, it wasn’t 90% either, it was somewhere around 50% I think, maybe slightly less than. I agree there is a dungeon issue with pets. But there is such thing as over-exaggerating the issue.
Normally, rangers are great in normal pve, but no dungeon bosses 1 shot my pet most of the time. I run squishy pets tho but they shouldnt get 1-2 shotted or killed in seconds. By pulling your pet back you lose a huge chunk of damage, either way my problem isnt with pve, idc about pve, pvp is where its at and there pets are more of an issue than a solution.
You lose less damage than letting the pet die. I also enjoy pvp though, and I think pets have less issues there.
No I agree, dont let your pet die, my point is you have to pull pet back to avoid letting it die, by doing so you lose damage. Other classes just dodge the attack and go back, they dont lose any real dps aside from the dodge roll.
True. But how much of a loss is this? Is it enough to make the ranger put out less damage than other classes? (Besides warrior and thief)
Its quite a big loss. Think about it, pet takes big hit, you pull said pet back, it has to heal, while it heals your damage is very low compared to other classes, you send pet back in for a few secs before you have to pull it back out. That sounds fun to you?
(edited by Chicho Gosho.6507)
Also, if you’re still unclear on it, this is why people make groups with 4x warrior + 1 mesmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUhUj1aL0yA
The group can stack 25 might immediately plus fury. If a group like that hits harder content and needs more healing/protective support, they will bring a guardian or ele.
Wow that is impressive damage. I don’t know if 4 of any other class can do that, I guess that is what the warrior excels at. Damage. However, I think that if you group together any of the same class like that, the results can be suprising. Damage does seem to stand out against NPC and in dungeons, but in wvw or spvp, I think some other professions can really shine when grouped, and even in PvE situations that involve many enemies. For example, 4 necros with constant aoe conditions, perma chill, constant fear, epidemic, and 25 stacks of vulnerability would be insane. 4 mesmers all spamming clones and illusions. Which one is real? 25 stacks of confusion and damage coming in from everywhere, seems like a tough fight. 4 rangers, every step you take is a trap, 25 stacks of bleed plus burn, poison, and chill distributed around. Perma regen and condi removal from all the healings springs. Entangle spam, 4 rampaging rangers with jags and QZ, 4 nature spirits giving 2k aoe regen a second. Seems nice thinking about all of that.
Well, here’s a guardian in the same group setup. Sadly, the profession that is heavily support focused can outdps us as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ac2NGGjjPsUEven with full berserker gear, a ranger won’t deal this kind of damage largely because the game is designed to favor melee…
…which would be fine if we had a melee build that could dps like this, but the only melee builds we have for PvE pretty much require a serious investment into Wilderness Survival and/or Nature Magic for toughness/vitality.
I will honestly argue that. A feline pet plus damage specced ranger under time warp. Jag stealth, Rao, and Sick ’em. I think a ranger can put out similar to that guardian
I don’t think so because A) the pet wouldn’t get the might boons if the whole group was within range unless you had fortified bond and
Well… then fortifying bond lol. Might stacking from sigils, Rao, and sword as well. Wouldn’t be 25 stacks as quickly, but still. And no, you underestimate pet sturdyiness. I had a jungle stalker survive hits from lupicus yesterday. Not all the hits of course, but not one shot lol.
EDIT: and that was with 15 in BM
Did you have a heal up? Did you have prot up? There are always variables. Did you pull your pet back after that first hit? Even if your pet didnt die in 1 hit, taking 90% of its hp out with 1 hit is still stupid. Pets are worse in dungeons than they are in pvp, and thats bad.
About 50% of the time with HS, yes, and lots of prot and regen from fortifying bond. I pulled him back occasionally to avoid pbaoe. And no, it wasn’t 90% either, it was somewhere around 50% I think, maybe slightly less than. I agree there is a dungeon issue with pets. But there is such thing as over-exaggerating the issue.
Normally, rangers are great in normal pve, but no dungeon bosses 1 shot my pet most of the time. I run squishy pets tho but they shouldnt get 1-2 shotted or killed in seconds. By pulling your pet back you lose a huge chunk of damage, either way my problem isnt with pve, idc about pve, pvp is where its at and there pets are more of an issue than a solution.
You lose less damage than letting the pet die. I also enjoy pvp though, and I think pets have less issues there.
No I agree, dont let your pet die, my point is you have to pull pet back to avoid letting it die, by doing so you lose damage. Other classes just dodge the attack and go back, they dont lose any real dps aside from the dodge roll.
True. But how much of a loss is this? Is it enough to make the ranger put out less damage than other classes? (Besides warrior and thief)
Its quite a big loss. Think about it, pet takes big hit, you pull said pet back, it has to heal, while it heals your damage is very low compared to other classes, you send pet back in for a few secs before you have to pull it back out. That sounds fun to you?
It shouldn’t take but 3 seconds at most I think. With the high damage of say a jaguar I think that is an okay trade off.
HOD
Guardian / Ranger / Mesmer / Necro / Warrior
Played since 1st online ‘demo’ months before the BWEs.
Guardian / Ranger / Mesmer / Necro / Warrior
Played since 1st online ‘demo’ months before the BWEs.