Yes, we care about the forums.
We also care about all the classes equally.
Actions speak louder than words.
Yes, we care about the forums.
“Don’t say things. What you are stands over you the while, and thunders so that I cannot hear what you say to the contrary.” —Emerson
Yes, we care about the forums.
Actions speak louder than words.
Yes. Yes they do. However, inexperience shall not be confused with ill will
Yes, we care about the forums.
It’s strange, because the different treatment between classes is evident (someone said thief?).
It’s also clear that you don’t read the forums (ex: since day one all ranger complain about the lb skill and the pet ability to hit moving target, and after a year nothing has changed) and that you don’t test your patchs.
Yes, we care about the forums.
If this is true, can we then please have some communication from your team? As you can see, your community is feeling very angry, a bit mislead, and extremely confused. It would be very helpful for one of you to sit down and detail to us what your actual vision of this class is. Right now we can’t really find anything we are better than anyone else at, no role that we can fill that others can’t fill better. People are actually being turned away from parties in some cases because of their class, because the vision of what role the ranger could fill in any group setting is very cloudy.
All we have to go on is a months old developer quote saying that Ranger is probably the most broken class, and the writeup on your professions page on the main site. The skills/traits given along with the adjustments to traits and weapons over the past 9 months does not reflect in even a small way the class that is presented in that write up. So clearly that descriptions is wrong. In it’s place, we need a description of either what we are, or what we are going to be after you are done carving us up.
And we would really appreciate some comments on these pet changes as well as the absolutely crippling problems many of us have with pets in larger encounters in WvW. How does ANet feel about these problems, and do they even view them as such? Do you plan to address them?
Even if the answer is “We don’t have an overarching vision, we feel that you are as powerful as you need to be and that your role is fulfilled. Live with it.”, it’s better to know where we stand so that those of us who are angry and disappointed can move on either to a different class or a different game rather than sitting around wondering what happens next…
This. I think this is a well worded version of what the ranger community wants. If the devs respond to one more post on the ranger subforum, please let it be to this post.
Yes, we care about the forums.
Rangers were looked at as one of the more underwhelming classes in the game. And this was BEFORE all the recent nerfs. If you guys care about rangers then can you give us some insight as to why everyone is wrong and that rangers deserved to be nerfed across the board?
Yes, we care about the forums.
Attached picture is most likely going to be Jon Sharp in a few hours.
But seriously. If you really do care, you’re not showing it. I realize some builds need nerfing from time to time and that sucks (GW1 SF Minion Master, nooo!). However, there’s a difference between nerfing an overpowered build and bringing down an entire class because of a single build.
The Pet damage nerf was unneeded in PvE and WvW. Just like the Pet Vit/Tough buff was not needed in sPvP. If the issue is that they’re not compatible, split the skill, or in this case the pet, between the different modes. I’d argue that the Pet mechanic itself is the entire flaw, but there’s been enough topics about that, as I’m sure you read.
As said before though, the biggest issue with this class is the lack of direction. Jack of all Trades, Master of None is fine in theory, in practice, it means you don’t fit in anywhere. The same was true for the GW1 Ranger, except they found their role pretty easily due to their solo survival and interrupt skills, where they were in fact undisputed masters compared to other classes until the Mesmer buffs.
In GW2 though, the importance of both those factors in a group are greatly reduced and the survivability doesn’t hold true anymore. Furthermore, while the GW1 Ranger could provide decent damage support, the forced Pet in GW2 makes a damaging role for the Ranger both limited and unreliable due to the almost inexistent ‘bond’ between Ranger and Pet (Ignore Traits and gear) and the wonky AI. Is a weak Shoutbot really the role you have in mind for Rangers in a team environment?
This is really what we’re being reduced to. After almost a year of buffs, Spirits still aren’t as good as other support skills. Our damage is considered unreliable due to Pet AI and highly unreliable in Dungeon Boss Encounters (The new dungeon might as well be renamed Laser Cooked Pets). In terms of survivability, we’re decent at best. The combination of all these factors makes Rangers unquestionably the most broken class in the game, which has been recognized for a while but with no effective action taken. In fact when Rangers did get buffs, it left most of the community underwhelmed. Again with this Rebalance. This was supposed to be the big Trait overhaul for all classes, and while true for most of the others, all I thought when reading the Ranger notes was “huh…that’s it?”. Marksmanship still has useless Minor Traits (Opening Strike, srsly), Quick Draw and Piercing Arrows doesn’t get merged while similar changes occur for other classes, Trap Traits still in the Prec/Critical line, …
Again, I could go on there, but there’s been too many threads already.
/rant I guess
On a side note, I kind of miss the old GW1 updates where Devs would argument the reason for the changes a bit. Even if we still don’t like it, we’d known the reasoning behind it. Like now, why was SB’s range nerfed? To indirectly buff LB? It was actually way too powerful? A Thief got killed by a SB Ranger in WvW?
Yes, we care about the forums.
It’s strange, because the different treatment between classes is evident (someone said thief?).
It’s also clear that you don’t read the forums (ex: since day one all ranger complain about the lb skill and the pet ability to hit moving target, and after a year nothing has changed) and that you don’t test your patchs.
Give credit where credit is due. There were many threads asking specifically for longbow to get 15% arrow speed and they not only granted that but gave extra damage as well. With regards to the pet, several updates ago they made it so pets maneuver behind the mob whenever possible and gave pets hp and toughness buffs. I was feeling optimistic then, before they took two steps back by declawing pets.
To the devs: I’m sure you play the game too. When was the last time you saw a ranger running with spirits? Maybe some specific build in spvp, but never in PvE or WvW. You’ve set up so many options for the class, but you’re not making any of them appealing. I don’t want OP damage – I want to have fun, I want versatility. When I made a thief after playing ranger since launch, I was surprised at how fun the class was. At how many different skill options and combinations were possible. Please don’t let this class become cookie-cutter.
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Yes, we care about the forums.
I want to believe you, I really do… but I can’t say I do. Not after everything my favorite GW profession has put up with in the name of “Balance” since Beta despite being arguably the worst profession in the game (for what have been the exact same legitimate issues) since release.
I’ve seen what are honestly some really great threads since forums opened and never, NEVER have I seen a developer get deeply involved in a conversation or anything else other than simple once a month on-queue posts to calm a forum section down when it gets rowdy.
So no John, as much as I want to believe everything you tell me, I wont allow myself anymore. If you feel you’ve finally set the Ranger on a good baseline you can improve on in ways that strengthen it in areas it is weak then good, but until I read a patch notes stating HOW and WHEN you intend to do it….I just can’t. I’m done.
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Yes, we care about the forums.
Then care to explain why you thought it necessary to nerf the hell out of the weakest profession by far in the game?
Care to explain what kind of a bow weapon can;tr fire an arrow further than you can throw an axe?
Care to explain why you want the ranger profession to always do a worse job than any other profession whatever build you try to put together?
If you care, then tell us. It’s not as if we are in game playing at the moment, we have lots of time on our hands to listen.
Mr Sharp, Thank you for your good work. Also thank you for proving my point.
This is my post in another thread:
“While I agree that some of their complaints are valid (I’m pretty upset about the pet damage nerfs just as much as they are), they present them in such a offensive and repulsive manner that it’s hard to take it seriously. More so for developers that want to see player feedback but get turned off by all the crap they have to slog through just to get the decent ones. And when one of them finally has the guts to participate in discussion, they get viciously attacked. (See Robert Hrouda)”
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Am-I-the-only-one-happy-with-Rangers/2288253
Lastly, please improve pet’s ability to hit moving targets I can live with lowered damage if they can hit anything moving without swiftness
Yes, we care about the forums.
Then could we respectfully request an explanation of what the changes are supposed to be aiding/addressing, as done frequently when large skill change patches were made in GW1?
Because at the moment, it is hard to comprehend why many of the changes made to the ranger were considered necessary (in my case, particularly in pve).
Having put in the effort to make the Dreamer, I’m feeling particularly confused and dismayed that it’s purpose has been changed – it no longer fills the purpose of long-range weapon, nor does enough damage to fill the purpose of melee weapon…so to use the weapon I spent months crafting I now have to sacrifice the utility of one of my weapon swaps…
Yes, we care about the forums.
Rangers were looked at as one of the more underwhelming classes in the game. And this was BEFORE all the recent nerfs. If you guys care about rangers then can you give us some insight as to why everyone is wrong and that rangers deserved to be nerfed across the board?
This.
I’m just really bitterly disappointed in Anet right now.
Mr Sharp, Thank you for your good work. Also thank you for proving my point.
This is my post in another thread:
“While I agree that some of their complaints are valid (I’m pretty upset about the pet damage nerfs just as much as they are), they present them in such a offensive and repulsive manner that it’s hard to take it seriously. More so for developers that want to see player feedback but get turned off by all the crap they have to slog through just to get the decent ones. And when one of them finally has the guts to participate in discussion, they get viciously attacked. (See Robert Hrouda)”
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Am-I-the-only-one-happy-with-Rangers/2288253
Lastly, please improve pet’s ability to hit moving targets
No,No,No,NO!
“Participating in a discussion” is in no way the monthly forums section post with the same generic “Yes, we read, yes we care.” crap every time the forums get a little rowdy and you people have got to stop being so amazed by it. He didn’t discuss anything at all with anyone. He didn’t offer constructive feedback to a suggestion, give insight to plans/directions, or even personal opinions. It was not “Participation” in any way. It was simple “Appeasement”.
Yes, we care about the forums.
Then could we respectfully request an explanation of what the changes are supposed to be aiding/addressing, as done frequently when large skill change patches were made in GW1?
Because at the moment, it is hard to comprehend why many of the changes made to the ranger were considered necessary (in my case, particularly in pve).
Having put in the effort to make the Dreamer, I’m feeling particularly confused and dismayed that it’s purpose has been changed – it no longer fills the purpose of long-range weapon, nor does enough damage to fill the purpose of melee weapon…so to use the weapon I spent months crafting I now have to sacrifice the utility of one of my weapon swaps…
What this guy says. Trade me my dreamer for another legendary weapon that may be useful on ranger. Thinking something melee. Worked so hard all to have it jacked to hell.
“Participating in a discussion” is in no way the monthly forums section post with the same generic “Yes, we read, yes we care.” crap every time the forums get a little rowdy and you people have got to stop being so amazed by it. He didn’t discuss anything at all with anyone. He didn’t offer constructive feedback to a suggestion, give insight to plans/directions, or even personal opinions. It was not “Participation” in any way. It was simple “Appeasement”.
I was just wondering if the Devs even read or care about this forum. I know stupid question, but they apparently have time to say goodbye to one person (who posted on the forums), but haven’t said anything to us.
Yes, we care about the forums.
JonSharp answered the OP directly. How is he not participating?
JonathanSharp.7094:
“Yes, we care about the forums. We also care about all the classes equally”
Where?
When?
When was the last time a dev. showed the Ranger community Attention in the forums?
When was there ever a time, a dev. stood up for the Ranger class?
Which class receives contstant Infractions for complaining against Injustiuce treatments by the their abusers and torturers?
Why than their Abusers and Torturers are constantly given Nerf-Rewarding Treatments?
Why is there Injustice to begin with?
Why is there Favoritism of classes to begin with?
Why is there a class who is given the Privilege to do whatever and whenever they want, at will? See Perma-Stealth Thief
Which class is constantl Praised for being Painfuly Destructive to the Underachiever class" ?
see “Thief haters, take this wisdom from a dev”
Infact,
They Bodly Upliffted You; the devs for Humiliating and Belittling the “We also care about all the classes equally” Ranger class and a dev, Approved them and joined in their Tormenting Party.
(The Dev. responded with Shame and Regret)- Forgiven
Why is the the Ranger the only class who’se shortbow was nerfed simply for no apparent reason at all.? Was it not to Reward Favoritism to the Elite classes?
Why is the Ranger pets were nerfed for no apparent reasons? Was it not to Satisfy the Elite classes?
What it all Prove is your constant showing of preferential treatment to the Ranger class over the other classes. We Ranger community know it, without being in denial.
What is your Favorite Class? We all know, The Elite Thief- Always was, Always will. It’s very Obvious.
Which class that boosts your ego? The Elite Thief, of course! -Stealth/Perma
Which class has always been the Scapegoat class for all Blames and Complaints? It’s no brainer.. the Ranger class,
As the saying goes, “words are nothingless without Action”
Action… “Ranger Class is not Cared for…Nor being Equally Treated for”
Never had….Never did.
Never was…Never will
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Yes, we care about the forums.
If you believe that they have a RNG bridge to sell you…
Yes, we care about the forums.
Could you at least go back to the idea of balancing each mode of play instead of only focusing in on what is the best for the meta game of sPvP?
Yes, we care about the forums.
One of these statements is false.
Got to feel sorry for you Jon, you dared to stick your hand into the hornets nest. Did you draw the short straw at the latest dev meeting?
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Yes, we care about the forums.
One of these statements is false.
Got to feel sorry for you Jon, you dared to stick your hand into the hornets nest. Did you draw the short straw at the latest dev meeting?
sorry but you’re response was TOO FUNNY LOL
anyway, still sad about being nerfed. I will try to learn to adapt. Luckily I only had 2 ascended items on my Ranger ( I want to play him so bad, but this is just flat out discouraging.)
I read another response, and it’s true, Rangers were Smiter’s Boon’d
Yes, we care about the forums.
false hope again false hope again….. sigh, why even post