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I somehow doubt it.

I get the feeling they just don’t care.

druid would work with a Staff, but that’s already taken so…

Levetty.1279:

I get the feeling they just don’t care.

It is likely taking longer for information on ranger to get released because they are taking a hard look at the class and how to fix it. They can’t NOT know how we feel about ranger. None of the elite specs matter until HoT releases anyhow so your wait to actually make use of the elite spec is the same no matter if you know what it is today or any other day before release. Be patient and have faith

Yeah, we kind of figured we would be dead last because we were first to get our name confirmed.
Classic A-Net trade offs huh?

I mean, they could have put something like the Warrior at last, since it is a strong specialization from the looks of it and because the Warrior is so popular.
That would be “a grand finale”, but now they have to surpass the Warrior’s specialization, especially because the Ranger currently is anything but flawless.

I disagree that none of the elite specs matter until release. The feedback given by players during the beta weekends should be invaluable resources for gameplay designers. This represents informed opinions from players who have sunk more hours into a class then a designer reasonably could ever be able to. By missing these weekends the spec runs the risk of not addressing core issues that are problematic to the new spec. Guardians, necros, etc. are all benefiting from this feedback as players have been able to point out and identify issues with mechanics and weapons that the team is supposedly examining.

The opportunities to give this feedback are limited as there are only a limited number of open betas. Further these revisions to the already announced specs divert time, which is a limited resource. Ideally every ranger should want the widest playtest base with the most number of opportunities to give feedback on that playtest. That is to say we should want the most bites at the apple to get the spec right. So far we’ve missed one. If ranger goes two betas without a playable elite spec my hunch would be that it will most likely be a cumbersome buggy mess. Or that the class is thought of as a casual C tier fun class but never really going to be competitive. I could be wrong.

Come to think of it didn’t ranger get a number of nerfs during the stress tests and didn’t it launch with some of its utility skills missing? Shouts or something weren’t finished? Worked out well for us.

Well, I think in this instance that they really would like to keep the best until last, if there was something they thought was a little sub-par, they would throw it in with more info. I think they will want to keep the most pivotal change for last so it is more of an incentive to go and buy the expansion. Imo, makes no sense otherwise.

For all the ones who didn ’ t like my posts of complaints regarding ranger…

Ask yourself why druid will be the last one to be previewed.

And in doing this you’d better dropping your positive attitude.
IT’ s 3 years things go like that with ranger….always left behind…no surprise for this.
Ask yourself why
Regards

rogerwilko.6895:

druid would work with a Staff, but that’s already taken so…

I… Don’t quite understand this comment lol

I think its Roy that is working on the ranger and he’s super busy creating and balancing a whole new class(the revenant) so it makes scene his specializations(forge and druid) will be the last to be released.

Darkness.9732:

For all the ones who didn ’ t like my posts of complaints regarding ranger…

Ask yourself why druid will be the last one to be previewed.

And in doing this you’d better dropping your positive attitude.
IT’ s 3 years things go like that with ranger….always left behind…no surprise for this.
Ask yourself why
Regards

What I keep asking myself why about is why you keep coming back to complain about a class you don’t play in a game you don’t play?

I think its Roy that is working on the ranger and he’s super busy creating and balancing a whole new class(the revenant) so it makes scene his specializations(forge and druid) will be the last to be released.

I’m honestly hoping its RG that’s working on it and its being saved until last because its the most game changing.

shrug Some class has to be the last one to have its elite spec revealed.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Darkness.9732:

For all the ones who didn ’ t like my posts of complaints regarding ranger…

Ask yourself why druid will be the last one to be previewed.

And in doing this you’d better dropping your positive attitude.
IT’ s 3 years things go like that with ranger….always left behind…no surprise for this.
Ask yourself why
Regards

What I keep asking myself why about is why you keep coming back to complain about a class you don’t play in a game you don’t play?

I think its Roy that is working on the ranger and he’s super busy creating and balancing a whole new class(the revenant) so it makes scene his specializations(forge and druid) will be the last to be released.

I’m honestly hoping its RG that’s working on it and its being saved until last because its the most game changing.

As far as I know of, -RG is responsible for mesmer/necro/berseker
Karl is DH/tempest/daredevil
Roy is revenant/forge/druid
(3 each)

Engineer could easily be last too.

I believe Druid is being saved for last for another reason. When it was first revealed, several of us lore nuts were happy to see the name and it’s a chance for them to give us more information about the Maguuma Druids who’re quite the enigma.

By saving the druid for last, they ease us into story stuff better. No other elite spec has the same level of relevance for the expansion. Unless the Engineer suddenly is reviving ancient tech from a lost Maguuman civilisation.

PLOT TWIST
they preview druids AND forges at the SAME TIME!

More like:

Thief revealed!
Beta weekend!
Major updates to all revealed classes!
Engineer revealed!
Break!
Beta weekend!
Major updates to all revealed classes!
Ranger revealed!
Release!
6 month break!
Minor bug fixes!
6 months break!
balance update!

Kjell.8379:

shrug Some class has to be the last one to have its elite spec revealed.

Should have been elementalist considering how OP they are in all 3 games modes and how they are currently crying that the Tempest isn’t as OP as the rest of their stuff.

Levetty.1279:

Kjell.8379:

shrug Some class has to be the last one to have its elite spec revealed.

Should have been elementalist considering how OP they are in all 3 games modes and how they are currently crying that the Tempest isn’t as OP as the rest of their stuff.

This is how I know people are stupid. They play ele and complain that Tempest is terrible. They must live on metabattle or something and not able to see any build synergy for themselves. Also, they cannot see that ele is already the best class at everything in the game and still they want to be even better than they already are, rather than just having another play style. Really looking forward to trying something like this out for small group WvW

Rangers are last because they probably have the most difficult time for anet devs to finalize…. considering the fact if they blow this elite spec, this class is literally finished…

the class is subpar to barely avg in EVERY game mode.
They need this spec to work out big time…. this class is just slowly dying lol.
Gotta be one of the least played classes.

Call it pessimistic, but it’s probably because they scrapped their original design halfway through or had it made and realized it was meh compared to the other specs and had to redo it. I think they do understand that this is probably the last straw for many ranger players. Get neglected for 3 years, look at swoop change LOL, and Anet fails to deliver on one of the things the community has clamored for in group support? That would be it for a lot of players probably.

If druid fails, Ranger is done for good

LughLongArm.5460:

As far as I know of, -RG is responsible for mesmer/necro/berseker
Karl is DH/tempest/daredevil
Roy is revenant/forge/druid
(3 each)

Wonder where Ireno aka Kui fits into this. I recall him posting BWE changes for Tempest and doing the Engineer & Ranger changes.

Yeah the pressure for the Druid is huge.
I’m usually very optimist, but this time if Druid doesn’t stand up in any game mode (since currently ranger is the only class that isn’t in any meta) I’ll quit my ranger and just play other class, I have ascended gear of every weight and all classes at 80 anyway, switch won’t be a problem at all.
Druid doesn’t need to be the best at anything but at least have something that makes us a wanted option and not just acceptable if nothing else is available.

Belzebu.3912:

Yeah the pressure for the Druid is huge.
I’m usually very optimist, but this time if Druid doesn’t stand up in any game mode (since currently ranger is the only class that isn’t in any meta) I’ll quit my ranger and just play other class, I have ascended gear of every weight and all classes at 80 anyway, switch won’t be a problem at all.
Druid doesn’t need to be the best at anything but at least have something that makes us a wanted option and not just acceptable if nothing else is available.

Seriously, imo the Ranger needs to be the best at something. Like it needs to be op at launch and then worked down from there. When have rangers every had anything that was op? Pets scaling walls in wvw? That “bugged” short bow animation? lol. Wait I forgot the legendary Aquaman period we went through.

Holland.9351:

More like:

Thief revealed!
Beta weekend!
Major updates to all revealed classes!
Engineer revealed!
Break!
Beta weekend!
Major updates to all revealed classes!
Ranger revealed!
Release!
6 month break!
Minor bug fixes!
6 months break!
balance update!

Stuff like this keeps me up at night.

Mcrocha.3891:

Belzebu.3912:

Yeah the pressure for the Druid is huge.
I’m usually very optimist, but this time if Druid doesn’t stand up in any game mode (since currently ranger is the only class that isn’t in any meta) I’ll quit my ranger and just play other class, I have ascended gear of every weight and all classes at 80 anyway, switch won’t be a problem at all.
Druid doesn’t need to be the best at anything but at least have something that makes us a wanted option and not just acceptable if nothing else is available.

Seriously, imo the Ranger needs to be the best at something. Like it needs to be op at launch and then worked down from there. When have rangers every had anything that was op? Pets scaling walls in wvw? That “bugged” short bow animation? lol. Wait I forgot the legendary Aquaman period we went through.

They had short moments but not long like you are seeing with cele ele DD…or past OP builds like turret engi…MM necros…hambows…etc etc…

In PvE, forget it. always been mediocre to below avg in there.

Only spirit ranger was the build close to OP but still not nearly on the level of other OP builds in this games history

My ranger has been stashed until further notice thats for sure.

It’s amazing how much better it is to play Ele or warrior.
in ALL aspects of the game, you feel useful. Not with ranger.

i remember that after the announcement there was an interview with devs
they asked about their opinions on elites
guard will be crowd pleaser as an example said one
but the most interesting was kind off “mesmer and ranger specialisation will shake up the pvp landslide the most”
mesmer sounds pretty cool so lets wait

Holland.9351:

Engineer could easily be last too.

True but the “Forge” already had it’s teaser image leaked and Shaman has the rendered heledrones datamined already while our one trait didn’t even have a name at the time of leak.

Druid will be last. It’s the most relevant and iconic profession to the theme of Heart of Thorns (jungle/forest).

Unfortunately that will also mean that it will get the least amount of beta testing and change cycles.

In all this years i’ve learnt to don’t expect anything good.
The last patch just nerf the ranger so bad that now i don’t even try to go to wvw anymore. Unless you play pewpew from 1500 and run as soon as someone notices you you won’t stand a chance. Also forget to get any kill, you will be lucky if you can finish a downed player without stomping.
So yes, if the druid it’s trash i will stash that char for good, same as i did with the necro.
Although some small part of my soul still hopes for the druid to be a bad son of a Mordemorth that brings fear to foes and hope to allies.

I didn’t want to say that i told you so but… I expect any game to become soon almost single class game. an extremely boring warriors/thief/ele meta dude

anduriell.6280:

In all this years i’ve learnt to don’t expect anything good.
The last patch just nerf the ranger so bad that now i don’t even try to go to wvw anymore. Unless you play pewpew from 1500 and run as soon as someone notices you you won’t stand a chance. Also forget to get any kill, you will be lucky if you can finish a downed player without stomping.

You serious? If there is anything ranger really excells at, it’s WvW roaming / dueling…
I mean… you can basically play 1-handed and still win most duels and it’s actually quite easy to just run from an heavily outnumbered situation (given you are Aware of People coming, you won’t run from a 5 man gank… noone would)… We may not bring much to a team or anything… but if we can do anything, then it is suriving on our own in WvW.

I think that they will let druid last because they revealed him first..When they firstly announced specializations..

In some other thoughts now, i kinda hope that they will make Ranger a strong class till they release HOT cause if druid becomes a strong class (and if what we hear so far is true it will) noone will play Ranger ever again

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-second-beta-weekend-event-begins-september-4/

You’ll be able to try out the chronomancer, dragonhunter, reaper, and tempest, as well as the newly announced elite specializations: berserker, and herald, as well as the thief specialization we’ll announce later this week.

Beta weekend on September 4th! Ranger and Druid elite spec won’t be playable for another beta weekend!

Looks like we’re going to be perfectly on track:

Thief revealed!
Beta weekend!
Major updates to all revealed classes!
Engineer revealed!
Break!
Beta weekend!
Major updates to all revealed classes!
Ranger revealed!
Release!
6 month break!
Minor bug fixes!
6 months break!
balance update!

Hepatolith.6389:

anduriell.6280:

In all this years i’ve learnt to don’t expect anything good.
The last patch just nerf the ranger so bad that now i don’t even try to go to wvw anymore. Unless you play pewpew from 1500 and run as soon as someone notices you you won’t stand a chance. Also forget to get any kill, you will be lucky if you can finish a downed player without stomping.

You serious? If there is anything ranger really excells at, it’s WvW roaming / dueling…
I mean… you can basically play 1-handed and still win most duels and it’s actually quite easy to just run from an heavily outnumbered situation (given you are Aware of People coming, you won’t run from a 5 man gank… noone would)… We may not bring much to a team or anything… but if we can do anything, then it is suriving on our own in WvW.

Solo roaming/1v1ing is all about individual skill… any class can beat another class so long as they are adequately skilled. (not just mechanical skills, but knowledge)

Most classes can WvW roam just fine so this example is not good… every class has the tools to escape and make it alive out of outnumbered scenarios if they know what they are doing… except necros lol (dat mobility is junk)

SkiTz.4590:

Hepatolith.6389:

anduriell.6280:

In all this years i’ve learnt to don’t expect anything good.
The last patch just nerf the ranger so bad that now i don’t even try to go to wvw anymore. Unless you play pewpew from 1500 and run as soon as someone notices you you won’t stand a chance. Also forget to get any kill, you will be lucky if you can finish a downed player without stomping.

You serious? If there is anything ranger really excells at, it’s WvW roaming / dueling…
I mean… you can basically play 1-handed and still win most duels and it’s actually quite easy to just run from an heavily outnumbered situation (given you are Aware of People coming, you won’t run from a 5 man gank… noone would)… We may not bring much to a team or anything… but if we can do anything, then it is suriving on our own in WvW.

Solo roaming/1v1ing is all about individual skill… any class can beat another class so long as they are adequately skilled. (not just mechanical skills, but knowledge)

Most classes can WvW roam just fine so this example is not good… every class has the tools to escape and make it alive out of outnumbered scenarios if they know what they are doing… except necros lol (dat mobility is junk)

I fully agree and also i explained myself very poorly.
What i exactly meant was that WvW is not only about running like chicken, wee need to get some players kills. With this class is impossible if both players has the same skill level. Talking about 1v1 our class is outperformed in any way for any of the others.

The only weapon that provides us with some mobility is the GS and that one is an utility weapon that do little DPS. Maul is just a joke how slow it is with such a telegraphed animation for the little damage it does. And ranger it is not a class that can stand for long in a melee combat.
So WvW you are stuck with LB/GS combination and that it is really boring to have only one choice

Wondrouswall.7169:

LughLongArm.5460:

As far as I know of, -RG is responsible for mesmer/necro/berseker
Karl is DH/tempest/daredevil
Roy is revenant/forge/druid
(3 each)

Wonder where Ireno aka Kui fits into this. I recall him posting BWE changes for Tempest and doing the Engineer & Ranger changes.

I do believe Kui is doing the Ranger/Engineer.

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Wondrouswall.7169:

LughLongArm.5460:

As far as I know of, -RG is responsible for mesmer/necro/berseker
Karl is DH/tempest/daredevil
Roy is revenant/forge/druid
(3 each)

Wonder where Ireno aka Kui fits into this. I recall him posting BWE changes for Tempest and doing the Engineer & Ranger changes.

I do believe Kui is doing the Ranger/Engineer.

Ho right, I forgot about him. Might be….

Mavander.3208:

Levetty.1279:

I get the feeling they just don’t care.

It is likely taking longer for information on ranger to get released because they are taking a hard look at the class and how to fix it. They can’t NOT know how we feel about ranger. None of the elite specs matter until HoT releases anyhow so your wait to actually make use of the elite spec is the same no matter if you know what it is today or any other day before release. Be patient and have faith

Or they just dont really have any dev who really cares for the class. Anyway I am preparing for the worst as a ranger they never really showed much ranger love, dont expect it now.

Its hard to have faith if you compare the track record for ranger compared to others IMO.

Kui was who presented on the Engineer on the POI, and IIRC, the Ranger last time there was a POI about the Ranger.

LughLongArm.5460:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Darkness.9732:

For all the ones who didn ’ t like my posts of complaints regarding ranger…

Ask yourself why druid will be the last one to be previewed.

And in doing this you’d better dropping your positive attitude.
IT’ s 3 years things go like that with ranger….always left behind…no surprise for this.
Ask yourself why
Regards

What I keep asking myself why about is why you keep coming back to complain about a class you don’t play in a game you don’t play?

I think its Roy that is working on the ranger and he’s super busy creating and balancing a whole new class(the revenant) so it makes scene his specializations(forge and druid) will be the last to be released.

I’m honestly hoping its RG that’s working on it and its being saved until last because its the most game changing.

As far as I know of, -RG is responsible for mesmer/necro/berseker
Karl is DH/tempest/daredevil
Roy is revenant/forge/druid
(3 each)

Dont forget Roy has a whole class with revenant so he might not be the one for the other 2.

Lol this spec better be godmode right out of the gate. No pressure though.

@smitske.4912
True, might be Kui like @TheFantasticGman.9451 mentioned.

Holland.9351:

More like:

Thief revealed!
Beta weekend!
Major updates to all revealed classes!
Engineer revealed!
Break!
Beta weekend!
Major updates to all revealed classes!
Ranger revealed!
Release!
6 month break!
Minor bug fixes!
6 months break!
balance update!

Firstly, I believe Engineer will be last. Secondly why doesn’t Ranger get an update in that list?

Lyger.5429:

Holland.9351:

More like:

Thief revealed!
Beta weekend!
Major updates to all revealed classes!
Engineer revealed!
Break!
Beta weekend!
Major updates to all revealed classes!
Ranger revealed!
Release!
6 month break!
Minor bug fixes!
6 months break!
balance update!

Firstly, I believe Engineer will be last. Secondly why doesn’t Ranger get an update in that list?

Because it’s a bit of a troll and salty list of the worst expectation for Ranger possible. Unfortunately we’re on track so far, which I thought was both funny and sad.

anduriell.6280:

SkiTz.4590:

Hepatolith.6389:

anduriell.6280:

In all this years i’ve learnt to don’t expect anything good.
The last patch just nerf the ranger so bad that now i don’t even try to go to wvw anymore. Unless you play pewpew from 1500 and run as soon as someone notices you you won’t stand a chance. Also forget to get any kill, you will be lucky if you can finish a downed player without stomping.

You serious? If there is anything ranger really excells at, it’s WvW roaming / dueling…
I mean… you can basically play 1-handed and still win most duels and it’s actually quite easy to just run from an heavily outnumbered situation (given you are Aware of People coming, you won’t run from a 5 man gank… noone would)… We may not bring much to a team or anything… but if we can do anything, then it is suriving on our own in WvW.

Solo roaming/1v1ing is all about individual skill… any class can beat another class so long as they are adequately skilled. (not just mechanical skills, but knowledge)

Most classes can WvW roam just fine so this example is not good… every class has the tools to escape and make it alive out of outnumbered scenarios if they know what they are doing… except necros lol (dat mobility is junk)

I fully agree and also i explained myself very poorly.
What i exactly meant was that WvW is not only about running like chicken, wee need to get some players kills. With this class is impossible if both players has the same skill level. Talking about 1v1 our class is outperformed in any way for any of the others.

The only weapon that provides us with some mobility is the GS and that one is an utility weapon that do little DPS. Maul is just a joke how slow it is with such a telegraphed animation for the little damage it does. And ranger it is not a class that can stand for long in a melee combat.
So WvW you are stuck with LB/GS combination and that it is really boring to have only one choice

i run this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAT8XjUqQDL2yCesAXLG4EK/vHgD/fhFPx7htvDgCWdA-T1CEABWp0IKlIxpbggLAQiq/slSQmUGVz+DG8AAA4IA8wBBIAwBglXe5lXe5IFgZatA-w
(can freely swap between lb and GS tho)
and i can’t remember the last time i had trouble killing something that was not PU condi or cele dd elem or trap thief this is but that’s another, pretty ugly, story.

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Kui was who presented on the Engineer on the POI, and IIRC, the Ranger last time there was a POI about the Ranger.

You mean the POI where they joked about buffing bearbow instead of presenting some actual improvements?

Hepatolith.6389:

i run this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAT8XjUqQDL2yCesAXLG4EK/vHgD/fhFPx7htvDgCWdA-T1CEABWp0IKlIxpbggLAQiq/slSQmUGVz+DG8AAA4IA8wBBIAwBglXe5lXe5IFgZatA-w
(can freely swap between lb and GS tho)
and i can’t remember the last time i had trouble killing something that was not PU condi or cele dd elem or trap thief this is but that’s another, pretty ugly, story.

Actually i think you were very lucky with your opponents, axe OH is a very bad weapon of choice for WvW or PvP because of the root effect for Axe#5 (although you can break it at any moment it’s simply bad).
Also it is a very glassy power build that try with some conditions is some very weak way.
I just posted the one i use and i think it would definitely fit with you gameplay
here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/All-round-ranger-build-for-any-game-mode

Just use the signet of stone and you’ll get 2.6K armor and that’s i pretty close to what you are using now, plus more power, more condition damage and more hp with the same cleanses.
Feel free to drop your opinion there if you think it can be improved in any way.

Wuselknusel.4082:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Kui was who presented on the Engineer on the POI, and IIRC, the Ranger last time there was a POI about the Ranger.

You mean the POI where they joked about buffing bearbow instead of presenting some actual improvements?

I dream of the day where our Robert G will appear, I want a dev that is actually passionate about the class they are balancing :/