Guild Wars 2

are there any good fractal builds?

Im not sure about full zerk. One fail dodge and u will die :/

Zerk builds are safer than sturdier builds. There are tons of posts going over the math and logistics of it all in the dungeon forum lately. Basically dodges, Aegis, blind etc. are all independent of your armor and stats, so it’s best to kill the enemies before you use those up.

Anet has also said they’re planning on addressing that fact very shortly. In the mean time, just use a standard sword zerker build and you’ll be fine.

I run full clerics with a 0/0/20/20/30 build or something like that and I’ve been having little issue, I run a sword/horn and a longbow (primarily the bow) with Mercy Ruhes, LR, HS, SotH, Stone Spirit and Elite Spirit, my utilities get changed up every now and then but the general theme behind the build (tanky supporter) stay the same.

Pet is a fern hound and a brown bear, the bear just eats up everything and doesn’t give a kitten, so many times him tanking as I rezzed the idiots in zerker who died again has made us not wipe.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBMhj6koiILrqwKIWLDELF7Z/cGHKReGlKUZs0JvkA-jAyAYfYsVAJLhmKAk8KiGbRtIas6aMlLRUtUARMGA-e

full zerker with frostspirit+spotter
best build for frac, nice for melee groups and even pub with range
s/wh+s/d harpyien frac with s/wh+s/a

if you cant play it..learn to play, maybe start with some soldier armor and swap from time to time

builds like durzlla are the problem that you have a harder time cause they dont bring enough dmg and they cant rly tank more in the higher frac lvl

Build full zerker. There’s just no reason to be face-tanking mobs in high level fractals. You have to avoid damage while dispatching the enemy quickly. Use longbow, sword, axe, and warhorn as necessary.

If you want some protection, get your defense from traits and utilities. You might try something like 30/0/30/10/0. Then you can pick up spotter, signets affect you (for 6 sec invuln), bark skin, and protection on hit.

Durzlla.6295:

I run full clerics with a 0/0/20/20/30 build or something like that and I’ve been having little issue, I run a sword/horn and a longbow (primarily the bow) with Mercy Ruhes, LR, HS, SotH, Stone Spirit and Elite Spirit, my utilities get changed up every now and then but the general theme behind the build (tanky supporter) stay the same.

Pet is a fern hound and a brown bear, the bear just eats up everything and doesn’t give a kitten, so many times him tanking as I rezzed the idiots in zerker who died again has made us not wipe.

I’m curious: what level fractals do you run and how long are your runs?

Bad players are bad players. A bad player in tanky armor will die almost as much as a bad player in zerker armor in high level fractals, given that most things that kill you will do so very quickly.

Veron.8645:

Durzlla.6295:

I run full clerics with a 0/0/20/20/30 build or something like that and I’ve been having little issue, I run a sword/horn and a longbow (primarily the bow) with Mercy Ruhes, LR, HS, SotH, Stone Spirit and Elite Spirit, my utilities get changed up every now and then but the general theme behind the build (tanky supporter) stay the same.

Pet is a fern hound and a brown bear, the bear just eats up everything and doesn’t give a kitten, so many times him tanking as I rezzed the idiots in zerker who died again has made us not wipe.

I’m curious: what level fractals do you run and how long are your runs?

Bad players are bad players. A bad player in tanky armor will die almost as much as a bad player in zerker armor in high level fractals, given that most things that kill you will do so very quickly.

I run full clerics on a warrior and im at lvl 50 XD My fotm runs avg around 40-45mins?
Its sometimes nice to swap for a support build in a zerker party. Not sure about rangers tho… their full clerics isnt that supportive

You can support with zerker gear/traits based on utilities and pet choice alone without completely gimping your damage. Just sayin.

Veron.8645:

Durzlla.6295:

I run full clerics with a 0/0/20/20/30 build or something like that and I’ve been having little issue, I run a sword/horn and a longbow (primarily the bow) with Mercy Ruhes, LR, HS, SotH, Stone Spirit and Elite Spirit, my utilities get changed up every now and then but the general theme behind the build (tanky supporter) stay the same.

Pet is a fern hound and a brown bear, the bear just eats up everything and doesn’t give a kitten, so many times him tanking as I rezzed the idiots in zerker who died again has made us not wipe.

I’m curious: what level fractals do you run and how long are your runs?

Bad players are bad players. A bad player in tanky armor will die almost as much as a bad player in zerker armor in high level fractals, given that most things that kill you will do so very quickly.

I’m at like 25 atm, slowly working on getting AR, reason I even started them was a friend of mine said his group of regulars only has one zerker and it takes em 40min (they’re at 50) so I figured hell why not.

I get downed very few times in fractals, and normally when I do it’s from lack of AR or me keeping someone from going to defeated/thinking I can Rez em fast enough.

Durzlla.6295:

Veron.8645:

Durzlla.6295:

I run full clerics with a 0/0/20/20/30 build or something like that and I’ve been having little issue, I run a sword/horn and a longbow (primarily the bow) with Mercy Ruhes, LR, HS, SotH, Stone Spirit and Elite Spirit, my utilities get changed up every now and then but the general theme behind the build (tanky supporter) stay the same.

Pet is a fern hound and a brown bear, the bear just eats up everything and doesn’t give a kitten, so many times him tanking as I rezzed the idiots in zerker who died again has made us not wipe.

I’m curious: what level fractals do you run and how long are your runs?

Bad players are bad players. A bad player in tanky armor will die almost as much as a bad player in zerker armor in high level fractals, given that most things that kill you will do so very quickly.

I’m at like 25 atm, slowly working on getting AR, reason I even started them was a friend of mine said his group of regulars only has one zerker and it takes em 40min (they’re at 50) so I figured hell why not.

I get downed very few times in fractals, and normally when I do it’s from lack of AR or me keeping someone from going to defeated/thinking I can Rez em fast enough.

And while your stood back using your “bearbow” tell me, why do you think these “idiots in zerkers” are downed in the first place?

Hint: dungeon/fractals are best for a group of 5, not 4.

funny..lvl 50 with cleric?
i love people like this xD
it makes not huge difference if you got pvt or zerker, just burst the enemy down and doge/block when you have to…wtf this people that post in a pvp thread learn to doge but in the pve they play cleric.

okay but srsly now, i´ve done some 49 the last days again with some mates and most time 1 was afk, no one needs to repair and we finished normally >50 mins, but i want to now how they do the dredge frac with cleric, it makes no difference if they nuke you down in 3 secs or in 5 secs Oo

and for the build 30 in marksman is never needed, if you need a panic button take lightning reflexes or protect me

You must be new to this subforum. Let me answer all your gear/build questions:

“l2p u noob, y u no frost spirit+spotter s+wh full zerk?! u bearbow or wat??! lol”

Neoheart.2750:

Durzlla.6295:

Veron.8645:

Durzlla.6295:

I run full clerics with a 0/0/20/20/30 build or something like that and I’ve been having little issue, I run a sword/horn and a longbow (primarily the bow) with Mercy Ruhes, LR, HS, SotH, Stone Spirit and Elite Spirit, my utilities get changed up every now and then but the general theme behind the build (tanky supporter) stay the same.

Pet is a fern hound and a brown bear, the bear just eats up everything and doesn’t give a kitten, so many times him tanking as I rezzed the idiots in zerker who died again has made us not wipe.

I’m curious: what level fractals do you run and how long are your runs?

Bad players are bad players. A bad player in tanky armor will die almost as much as a bad player in zerker armor in high level fractals, given that most things that kill you will do so very quickly.

I’m at like 25 atm, slowly working on getting AR, reason I even started them was a friend of mine said his group of regulars only has one zerker and it takes em 40min (they’re at 50) so I figured hell why not.

I get downed very few times in fractals, and normally when I do it’s from lack of AR or me keeping someone from going to defeated/thinking I can Rez em fast enough.

And while your stood back using your “bearbow” tell me, why do you think these “idiots in zerkers” are downed in the first place?

Hint: dungeon/fractals are best for a group of 5, not 4.

Um, i use a Fernhound most of the time and only swap to the bear when the Fernhound is getting low, or we need the condi removal, also i go in and out of melee ranged, and if we’ve got an ele I tend to be in melee a lot more than normally because i can constantly be blasting fire fields for might for my allies via warhorn and sometimes just swapping the bear out to a drake etc.

And the reason they tend to get downed in the first place is normally they don’t pay attention and they end up eating some AoE, or they’re too stupid to put the Tears of Dwayna in on time and end up dying to the toxic because they’ve got no health/no way to heal through it and end up dying before they get their heads out of their kitten and put the crystals back in and i end up being the only one standing… There’s also the occasional mindset of “That ranger is able to sit there and rez while eating all that bad kitten i should be able to!” and they die because they’re not geared to do so but i am.

@Bambula: I’m not gonna lie, i’m in no way, shape or form trying to “optimize” my fractal runs, the only reason i use clerics is because that’s what i built for my WvW build and i just cram that into PvE situations because i have no room to store a second set of armor. I mean if there was an ARMOR LOCKER HINT HINT ANET in PvE i probably would just throw on Zerker (more likely to be Rampager tbh) gear, slap some Mercy Runes on it with some Sigils of Water and go with a Crit based pet build or something of the sort (Aka 20/20/0/0/30).

Durzlla.6295:

Neoheart.2750:

Durzlla.6295:

Veron.8645:

Durzlla.6295:

I run full clerics with a 0/0/20/20/30 build or something like that and I’ve been having little issue, I run a sword/horn and a longbow (primarily the bow) with Mercy Ruhes, LR, HS, SotH, Stone Spirit and Elite Spirit, my utilities get changed up every now and then but the general theme behind the build (tanky supporter) stay the same.

Pet is a fern hound and a brown bear, the bear just eats up everything and doesn’t give a kitten, so many times him tanking as I rezzed the idiots in zerker who died again has made us not wipe.

I’m curious: what level fractals do you run and how long are your runs?

Bad players are bad players. A bad player in tanky armor will die almost as much as a bad player in zerker armor in high level fractals, given that most things that kill you will do so very quickly.

I’m at like 25 atm, slowly working on getting AR, reason I even started them was a friend of mine said his group of regulars only has one zerker and it takes em 40min (they’re at 50) so I figured hell why not.

I get downed very few times in fractals, and normally when I do it’s from lack of AR or me keeping someone from going to defeated/thinking I can Rez em fast enough.

And while your stood back using your “bearbow” tell me, why do you think these “idiots in zerkers” are downed in the first place?

Hint: dungeon/fractals are best for a group of 5, not 4.

Um, i use a Fernhound most of the time and only swap to the bear when the Fernhound is getting low, or we need the condi removal, also i go in and out of melee ranged, and if we’ve got an ele I tend to be in melee a lot more than normally because i can constantly be blasting fire fields for might for my allies via warhorn and sometimes just swapping the bear out to a drake etc.

And the reason they tend to get downed in the first place is normally they don’t pay attention and they end up eating some AoE, or they’re too stupid to put the Tears of Dwayna in on time and end up dying to the toxic because they’ve got no health/no way to heal through it and end up dying before they get their heads out of their kitten and put the crystals back in and i end up being the only one standing… There’s also the occasional mindset of “That ranger is able to sit there and rez while eating all that bad kitten i should be able to!” and they die because they’re not geared to do so but i am.

@Bambula: I’m not gonna lie, i’m in no way, shape or form trying to “optimize” my fractal runs, the only reason i use clerics is because that’s what i built for my WvW build and i just cram that into PvE situations because i have no room to store a second set of armor. I mean if there was an ARMOR LOCKER HINT HINT ANET in PvE i probably would just throw on Zerker (more likely to be Rampager tbh) gear, slap some Mercy Runes on it with some Sigils of Water and go with a Crit based pet build or something of the sort (Aka 20/20/0/0/30).

Well, I won’t criticize your build since plenty of other ppl will do it already. But I will say this: How do you feel about PvE players taking their PvE gear (zerker) and builds into WvWvW. Let’s say they also don’t care about optimizing their playstyle and do things such as rally the enemy zerg or waste supply.

It’s the same problem in PvE when you go the other way around. Bag slots and exotic armor are cheap, and traits are easy to change too for fractals atleast. Also, not every PvE player you run into will be a “idiot in zerker” and designing your build around playing with bads is usually not a good idea.

Durzlla.6295:

Neoheart.2750:

Durzlla.6295:

Veron.8645:

Durzlla.6295:

I run full clerics with a 0/0/20/20/30 build or something like that and I’ve been having little issue, I run a sword/horn and a longbow (primarily the bow) with Mercy Ruhes, LR, HS, SotH, Stone Spirit and Elite Spirit, my utilities get changed up every now and then but the general theme behind the build (tanky supporter) stay the same.

Pet is a fern hound and a brown bear, the bear just eats up everything and doesn’t give a kitten, so many times him tanking as I rezzed the idiots in zerker who died again has made us not wipe.

I’m curious: what level fractals do you run and how long are your runs?

Bad players are bad players. A bad player in tanky armor will die almost as much as a bad player in zerker armor in high level fractals, given that most things that kill you will do so very quickly.

I’m at like 25 atm, slowly working on getting AR, reason I even started them was a friend of mine said his group of regulars only has one zerker and it takes em 40min (they’re at 50) so I figured hell why not.

I get downed very few times in fractals, and normally when I do it’s from lack of AR or me keeping someone from going to defeated/thinking I can Rez em fast enough.

And while your stood back using your “bearbow” tell me, why do you think these “idiots in zerkers” are downed in the first place?

Hint: dungeon/fractals are best for a group of 5, not 4.

Um, i use a Fernhound most of the time and only swap to the bear when the Fernhound is getting low, or we need the condi removal, also i go in and out of melee ranged, and if we’ve got an ele I tend to be in melee a lot more than normally because i can constantly be blasting fire fields for might for my allies via warhorn and sometimes just swapping the bear out to a drake etc.

And the reason they tend to get downed in the first place is normally they don’t pay attention and they end up eating some AoE, or they’re too stupid to put the Tears of Dwayna in on time and end up dying to the toxic because they’ve got no health/no way to heal through it and end up dying before they get their heads out of their kitten and put the crystals back in and i end up being the only one standing… There’s also the occasional mindset of “That ranger is able to sit there and rez while eating all that bad kitten i should be able to!” and they die because they’re not geared to do so but i am.

@Bambula: I’m not gonna lie, i’m in no way, shape or form trying to “optimize” my fractal runs, the only reason i use clerics is because that’s what i built for my WvW build and i just cram that into PvE situations because i have no room to store a second set of armor. I mean if there was an ARMOR LOCKER HINT HINT ANET in PvE i probably would just throw on Zerker (more likely to be Rampager tbh) gear, slap some Mercy Runes on it with some Sigils of Water and go with a Crit based pet build or something of the sort (Aka 20/20/0/0/30).

In chaos theory this is known as the butterfly effect. They have no means to use their heals, dodges because they are expended…

Everything that the 5 people do effect each other in EVERY way. I really wish “ill do wat I want” attitudes would atleast acknowledge this. Clerics with longbow/bear, you must be doing 1/4 the dps that they are doing.

Now I don’t mean to be so negative towards you about it and I really don’t hate on people for running what they like when I come across them. Though for high level fractals I’m sorry but you’d be getting the old ‘right click, gtfo’.

30/25/0/15
Full zerker

Quickening z. / sic’em / frost spirit (traited) / RaO

And cats.

If you running something else (traits can vary a bit I suppose), then there’s no reason why your team should chose you over another class.

Your goal is not to just survive, but to offer buffs to your group and awesome damage.

Tank builds with bows and bears have no place in my group or any other group (high – lvl) fracts I know of.

If played right ranger can be awesome.

30/25/0/15 better than 20/25/0/25?

Stx.4857:

30/25/0/15 better than 20/25/0/25?

It’s basically more vulnerability on trash and longbow + 100 power vs. 5% dmg modifier and 2nd nature magic trait (moving spirits, gs, vit—>power)

More group dps vs. more personal dps is the difference those 10 points make. They’re practically the same build.

TurtleDragon.3108:

Stx.4857:

30/25/0/15 better than 20/25/0/25?

It’s basically more vulnerability on trash and longbow + 100 power vs. 5% dmg modifier and 2nd nature magic trait (moving spirits, gs, vit—>power)

More group dps vs. more personal dps is the difference those 10 points make. They’re practically the same build.

Yup.

It’s up to the player, but overall it’s the same build with small overall difference to total dps.

20/25/0/25 is better..you deal more dps with this build and vul is not not your job to stack as a ranger

edit: sorry yelloweyedemon i was tired

Bambula.3649:

20/25/0/25 is better..you deal more dps with this build and vul is not a thing you not to stack as ranger

No it is not. As I said before they are the same build depending on your playstyle. Overall the dps they bring to the table is pretty much the same. Also I did not understand the last bit. “is not a thing you not to stack” ? does not make any sense.

@TurtleDragon, i’m fine with full zerker guys running into WvW, i mean if they’re good players (which many of them are, i just have a bad habbit of never finding them in PvE) then they can be very useful pumping out a large amount of damage in both small skirmishes and in the safety of the zerg, if they’re bad then they’ll be bad either way and probably just try and DPS from the floor like in PvE.

And the problem is i don’t have a place to store my gear (my bank is already overflowing, and i mainly sPvP so i haven’t really had the funds most PvE players do to just buy another bank tab with gold), i could easily buy another set of gear and respec my traits, but i would have no where to put the old set, or the new set when i’m not using it so i just am making due with what i’ve got and am going with a tankyer support set.

@Neoheart Yes, i know i’m not dealing as much damage as them, that’s kinda the whole point, i don’t care about damage, i never have, and never will, it doesn’t matter what MMO i’m playing i’m going to go for the more supporty role whether it’s optimal or not. That being said it’s not like i’m not providing them with anything, i’m giving them perma swiftness (it helps them get out of circles without having to waste a dodge, not much else to use it for), perma regen, a waterfield, over 33% uptime on vigor (from me alone, likely much higher with others there), extremely fast and safe rezzes that put them at 50% of their healthbar instead of a measily 30%, a large uptime on protection, and perma fury.

And as i said, it’s not like i NEED the bear there, i’ve thrown him out of the fractal countless times because he was proving worthless in favor of a more useful pet like say a Melandru Stalker for the AoE 5stacks of might, or a red moa if we need more fury for some ungodly reason or maybe a spider or another canine for more support, there’s a lot of options.

As a zerker friend of mine said to me when i told him i was going to run clerics, “If taking a hit to your DPS means an increase for the group as a whole i see no reason for you not to do it.” and the way i see it, keeping the zerkers from taking a dirt nap has been doing great so far.

Bambula.3649:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBMhj6koiILrqwKIWLDELF7Z/cGHKReGlKUZs0JvkA-jAyAYfYsVAJLhmKAk8KiGbRtIas6aMlLRUtUARMGA-e

I can never get gw2skills.net to load. I wonder if Comcast has the IP blocked or something. Anyone else have issues accessing this site?

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-F;4wEkx-h2VDV-0;9;4JO-O-06-04;234;25N0-L;1zxrUzxrUm-FvVH;0S;1VOVTWYXcYi3o_-o-G-2ih

Well, we all know that zerker builds are the most optimum pve builds. Honestly though? Its much better to stick with what you enjoy playing. Hell, if I wanted the most optimal pve build, I’d have deleted my rangers and played zerker warrior.

Besides, I’d hold on to my money right now if I were you. Inc likely nerf – crit dmg. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Balance-Developer-Livestream-on-Friday-at-2pm-PST/first. Hoping the zerker elitism will go away

wow..this is so funny

blame zerker gear cause people cant play with it..the problem is not the zerker gear..it´s the kittening content !
and if you say you could play your war you just cant your ranger

Bambula.3649:

wow..this is so funny

blame zerker gear cause people cant play with it..the problem is not the zerker gear..it´s the kittening content !
and if you say you could play your war you just cant your war

I don’t really understand what you’re saying, but I’m guessing you’re insulting me and covering it up with smiley faces lol.

And no, I don’t blame zerker gear in pve, I’m just saying people should play what they want to play. But the whole “if you’re not zerker, then get out” kinda things gets on my nerves.

sorry with the last war and war..was in ingame and just wrote it on second screen, pug groups just want to clear the dungeon, if you want to play the normal way..do it but search for it

kiwituatara.6053:

Bambula.3649:

wow..this is so funny

blame zerker gear cause people cant play with it..the problem is not the zerker gear..it´s the kittening content !
and if you say you could play your war you just cant your war

I don’t really understand what you’re saying, but I’m guessing you’re insulting me and covering it up with smiley faces lol.

And no, I don’t blame zerker gear in pve, I’m just saying people should play what they want to play. But the whole “if you’re not zerker, then get out” kinda things gets on my nerves.

You can play whatever you want, PvE is easy enough that you could do it naked if you really wanted to. Only difference is that it will take much longer and people don’t want their CoF 1’s to take 44 minutes instead of 10. Just avoid playing with people who want to speed through the content and find like minded people.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBMhj6koiILrqwKIWLDELF7Z/cGHKReGlKUZs0JvkA-jAyAYfYsVAJLhmKAk8KiGbRtIas6aMlLRUtUARMGA-e
30/30/0/10/0 traited for 70% spirit and spotter. Pets situational, mostly tanky or buff pets.
Signet of the hunt, signet of the wild, SaR,RaO. Gear zerker and assassin. crest of the assassin in rune slots, sigil of accuracy in longbow, sigil of force in axe, sigil of accuracy in warhorn. precise infusions in off infusion slots.

This gives me buffs for the party, rezz for downed players, and decent dps. With potent S.S. and SnS butternut squash to help with power. This gives me 123% crit damage with longbow, 133% crit damage with axe and 99% crit chance when furry is up.

I also carry a power based set of swap out gear, and will be working on PVT set as well. Allowing me to mix and match gear if I need to.

^signet ranger..and your out

and with ranger with ascended you dont need assasins gear -.-
with ascended trinkets and weapons you reach the crit chance cap you need and with ascended armor it´s even more waste of points

Bambula.3649:

^signet ranger..and your out

and with ranger with ascended you dont need assasins gear -.-
with ascended trinkets and weapons you reach the crit chance cap you need and with ascended armor it´s even more waste of points

Ignorant. 30/30/10/0/0 Fractals 50. You need signet of stone to revive your teammates and survive close to friends and enemy. Signet of Wild, Signet of Stone and Defend me. If you kick those rangers your are kicking the best. Rangers group damage, up close to allies with axe/sword warhorn and LB is same as warrior. And revives are better cause you have 12s of invulnerability so you can revive is situations that would down a guardian with clerics gear. Because most things will 1 or 2 shot a guardian at that level

ingorant when you think you need it

it´s better to rezz with kill an enemy than rezz with signets they are just panic button and if you know when to doge you dont need them, for what a cleric guard? Oo

sorry guy, but your arguments are weak.

and the biggest joke that your rly thing you deal the same dmg with lb..
axe offhand is most time not needed and weak, if you got a got guard

I run Lvl 49 almost every day with 20/30/0/20/0 , on my gear I use Berserker and on accesories I use Berskerker with Vitality (Bud of the Pale Tree, for example).

I use S/W as much as I can, if a boss is hard to melee, I switch either to SB or LB, depending on the boss. Other than that, I switch weapons depending on the situation (Axe off-hand if I need the pull and the refflect, etc).

On skills, always QZ, Frost Spirit only if I know it won’t die easily, and other skills depending on the situation, but I generaly use SnR, Protect Me, Signet of Renewal, some traps, etc.

you can run anything when on low-medium levels. On higher levels you get instant downed irrelevant of your defense rating so people go full zerk

Bambula.3649:

ingorant when you think you need it

it´s better to rezz with kill an enemy than rezz with signets they are just panic button and if you know when to doge you dont need them, for what a cleric guard? Oo

sorry guy, but your arguments are weak.

and the biggest joke that your rly thing you deal the same dmg with lb..
axe offhand is most time not needed and weak, if you got a got guard

I must be a noob running fractals 50. I didn’t even know you could revive while dodging. You’ll have to explain that trick… Or not. You dont know how to use combo fields if you think LB doesnt deal much damage.

Chokolata.1870:

you can run anything when on low-medium levels. On higher levels you get instant downed irrelevant of your defense rating so people go full zerk

Not true at all. Armour is required for higher levels or you will get insta-downed and you will not be able to revive the heavies when they do go down, because even the best will.

Durzlla.6295:

@TurtleDragon, i’m fine with full zerker guys running into WvW, i mean if they’re good players (which many of them are, i just have a bad habbit of never finding them in PvE) then they can be very useful pumping out a large amount of damage in both small skirmishes and in the safety of the zerg, if they’re bad then they’ll be bad either way and probably just try and DPS from the floor like in PvE.

And the problem is i don’t have a place to store my gear (my bank is already overflowing, and i mainly sPvP so i haven’t really had the funds most PvE players do to just buy another bank tab with gold), i could easily buy another set of gear and respec my traits, but i would have no where to put the old set, or the new set when i’m not using it so i just am making due with what i’ve got and am going with a tankyer support set.

@Neoheart Yes, i know i’m not dealing as much damage as them, that’s kinda the whole point, i don’t care about damage, i never have, and never will, it doesn’t matter what MMO i’m playing i’m going to go for the more supporty role whether it’s optimal or not. That being said it’s not like i’m not providing them with anything, i’m giving them perma swiftness (it helps them get out of circles without having to waste a dodge, not much else to use it for), perma regen, a waterfield, over 33% uptime on vigor (from me alone, likely much higher with others there), extremely fast and safe rezzes that put them at 50% of their healthbar instead of a measily 30%, a large uptime on protection, and perma fury.

And as i said, it’s not like i NEED the bear there, i’ve thrown him out of the fractal countless times because he was proving worthless in favor of a more useful pet like say a Melandru Stalker for the AoE 5stacks of might, or a red moa if we need more fury for some ungodly reason or maybe a spider or another canine for more support, there’s a lot of options.

As a zerker friend of mine said to me when i told him i was going to run clerics, “If taking a hit to your DPS means an increase for the group as a whole i see no reason for you not to do it.” and the way i see it, keeping the zerkers from taking a dirt nap has been doing great so far.

Very well said! There is more to team play than individual dps. Slightly decreasing your individual damage output in favor of support will make team damage higher in most cases.

Archon.6480:

Very well said! There is more to team play than individual dps. Slightly decreasing your individual damage output in favor of support will make team damage higher in most cases.

I dont see how

perma regen, a waterfield, over 33% uptime on vigor (from me alone, likely much higher with others there), extremely fast and safe rezzes that put them at 50% of their healthbar instead of a measily 30%, a large uptime on protection, and perma fury.

increases your team’s overall damage. All the optimal meta builds already include the traits that increase group dps while builds such as the one Durzilla uses actually decreases team dps compared to a 30/25/0/15/0 build.

In most cases deviating from meta builds for more support is going to lower your groups overall dps. Only exception i can think of is Empower Alllies for warriors

lb and combo fields deal more dmg than sword auto?
okay..now i want to know how this work with combo fields

and than tell me why you dont need frost-spirit if you want to increase your team dps more than personal?

and sorry guy, only cause you lvl 50. it has nothing to do with your a pro..i saw so much people that suck so hard with their classes, BUT i dont want to evaluate you know.

and i want to know why 30/30 would deal more dmg than 20/25/0/25

thanks for the answers
I tried full zerker adn it works well if u know how to dodge.

But im scared about the crit dmg nerf.. Im not sure is it worth to buy ascended zerk gear? or trinket? i already have ascended sword.

Shekos.4503:

thanks for the answers
I tried full zerker adn it works well if u know how to dodge.

But im scared about the crit dmg nerf.. Im not sure is it worth to buy ascended zerk gear? or trinket? i already have ascended sword.

Zerker will still remain to be the highest DPS set. Only thing you don’t want to do is mixing assasins stats in there.

If I want a range option for a standard sword spotter pve build, is longbow the best choice for single target dps or is it shortbow?

If you got a group that stacks might…than the shortbow, if you just can stay 1000+ it’s lb
I’ve got booth weapons in my inventoy but they are not often used

TurtleDragon.3108:

Archon.6480:

Very well said! There is more to team play than individual dps. Slightly decreasing your individual damage output in favor of support will make team damage higher in most cases.

I dont see how

perma regen, a waterfield, over 33% uptime on vigor (from me alone, likely much higher with others there), extremely fast and safe rezzes that put them at 50% of their healthbar instead of a measily 30%, a large uptime on protection, and perma fury.

increases your team’s overall damage. All the optimal meta builds already include the traits that increase group dps while builds such as the one Durzilla uses actually decreases team dps compared to a 30/25/0/15/0 build.

In most cases deviating from meta builds for more support is going to lower your groups overall dps. Only exception i can think of is Empower Alllies for warriors

It depends on what you are doing. If you are face stomping easy content, who cares, right? If you are playing more difficult content, a little party heal, here or there helps team keep pressure on, without loosing damage over time evading and ressing downed allies. Slightly decrease damage output by dropping eagle eye for spotter. Team will do more with 750 precision than you will with 5% extra dmg. That sort of stuff.

Bambula.3649:

lb and combo fields deal more dmg than sword auto?
okay..now i want to know how this work with combo fields

and than tell me why you dont need frost-spirit if you want to increase your team dps more than personal?

and sorry guy, only cause you lvl 50. it has nothing to do with your a pro..i saw so much people that suck so hard with their classes, BUT i dont want to evaluate you know.

and i want to know why 30/30 would deal more dmg than 20/25/0/25

I’m not sure that 30/30 would deal more damage and frost spirit is great for some things, love it for temple runs. I just don’t run it in fractals. Sword makes use of leap finisher for fire aura which I don’t find helps too much with might stacks in fractals. A ranger will get one shoted at PB range by most things, so the risk is not worth the reward. Pure dps builds don’t work well past 30 either, too much unblockable damage. So the steady 2kish/s Armour ignoring condition dmg leached from combo fields is more beneficial with LB.

I’m not saying your build is bad, btw. Frost spirit does increase team dps more than individual damage. The trick is to stay alive and keep it alive long enough.

Stx.4857:

If I want a range option for a standard sword spotter pve build, is longbow the best choice for single target dps or is it shortbow?

Depends on how much damage you have split into condition damage, and how much bleed you can get from flanking. With less than 800 in condition I feel better with LB. Try to stay within 8ft of your allies or you’ll nerf your damage a bit.

Archon.6480:

It depends on what you are doing. If you are face stomping easy content, who cares, right?

5 people with that attitude is the difference between a dungeon taking 10 minutes and 20 minutes. It’s not an excuse to play sub optimally.

Archon.6480:

If you are playing more difficult content, a little party heal, here or there helps team keep pressure on, without loosing damage over time evading and ressing downed allies.

You can do all that with the meta build and berserker gear. You don’t need to run clerics with 0/0/30/30/20 or whatever to heal your party.

Archon.6480:

Slightly decrease damage output by dropping eagle eye for spotter. Team will do more with 750 precision than you will with 5% extra dmg. Should be obvious.

Not sure why you’re agreeing with me? Builds like the ones you were promoting don’t take spotter.

Archon.6480:

A ranger will get one shoted at PB range by most things, so the risk is not worth the reward. Pure dps builds don’t work well past 30 either, too much unblockable damage

It’s always worth the risk because the difference between melee and ranged damage in this game is very big. Everything is avoidable if you know how to.

kiwituatara.6053:

Well, we all know that zerker builds are the most optimum pve builds. Honestly though? Its much better to stick with what you enjoy playing. Hell, if I wanted the most optimal pve build, I’d have deleted my rangers and played zerker warrior.

Besides, I’d hold on to my money right now if I were you. Inc likely nerf – crit dmg. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Balance-Developer-Livestream-on-Friday-at-2pm-PST/first. Hoping the zerker elitism will go away

It’s funny, as I was finishing dungeon master title, a friend kept telling me the only way to beat dwayna on arah p4 was with 4 zerker warriors. “Nothing else would do enough dps.” He wouldn’t even run it with me because I wanted to do it with ranger. I ended up beating it the first time with a pug of mixed classes all running group traits and skills. Melted everything. :-) I think dwayna was easier than Lyssa priestess for crying out loud!

TurtleDragon.3108:

Archon.6480:

It depends on what you are doing. If you are face stomping easy content, who cares, right?

5 people with that attitude is the difference between a dungeon taking 10 minutes and 20 minutes. It’s not an excuse to play sub optimally.

Archon.6480:

If you are playing more difficult content, a little party heal, here or there helps team keep pressure on, without loosing damage over time evading and ressing downed allies.

You can do all that with the meta build and berserker gear. You don’t need to run clerics with 0/0/30/30/20 or whatever to heal your party.

Archon.6480:

Slightly decrease damage output by dropping eagle eye for spotter. Team will do more with 750 precision than you will with 5% extra dmg. Should be obvious.

Not sure why you’re agreeing with me? Builds like the ones you were promoting don’t take spotter.

Archon.6480:

A ranger will get one shoted at PB range by most things, so the risk is not worth the reward. Pure dps builds don’t work well past 30 either, too much unblockable damage

It’s always worth the risk because the difference between melee and ranged damage in this game is very big. Everything is avoidable if you know how to.

No, everything is not avoidable. You will run out of endurance in any good fight, unless you are noobing at max range. If you can’t take a hit, you can’t res and are that much more useless to a team. I’d always rather have an AH guardian over a zerker who can’t res. Biggest let down are zerkers who take a dirt nap every 10s because they “lagged” in the .25s window they had to dodge something that was easily avoidable.