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I’ve been really curious about the new pets so I dusted my lvl 30 ranger and went for a hike… to HoT areas.

Its been hard but god, the journey was quite the adventure lol

I managed to get Bristleback and Smokescale, but Tangled Depths being kitten Tangled Depths, I havent managed to reach Dragon’s Stand as a lvl 30 :P

Now, I have been using those 2 pets a lot and they’re fun (F2 “Smoke screen” for the Smokescale and that F2 “Scale barrage attack” from the Bristleback) but Ive been hearing a lot of good things about the Tiger.

So what’s your take on the HoT pets? Are they solid choices to replace our already popular Drakes/Felines/etc?

Bristleback is a viable damage pet choice.
Smokescale is amazing PvP pet. The best so far.
Electric Wyvern is usable for safe-stomps (and nothing else)
Fire Wyvern is useless everywhere.
Tigers are fine for Remorseless builds and against targets with low toughness.

Yes, most of them are fine choices.
Lynx for PvE and Wolf for PvP are still “the” choice from former pets, though.

Long Story short – HoT pets are a very nice addition but some of them are horribly designed (Wyverns especially). That makes some of the former pets more attractive.

I’ve used the Marsh Drake since I started (by luck, I chose it as the starting pet for my Asura). It’s tough, has an AoE attack as well as a multi-target condition. It’s my go-to pet and it works well against groups. I’ve started running with the Bristleback as my alternate, for the ranged attack. (For something that stands still, the “machine-gun” is awesome.)

For a really tough one-on-one fight, the Smokescale’s actually pretty tough with its stealth and smoke. (Of course, you can also stand in the smoke or fire through it to create blinds, too.) Or if the opponent’s even harder-hitting, I’d use a Brown Bear.

So, yeah, two out of three of my regular-use pets now are HoT pets.

Smokescale is fantastic for its F2 ability alone.

I like most of the new pets overall. I’ve found a use for 4 of the 5 of them. Fire Wyvern… not so much.

I don’t use them. They don’t offer me what I want.

I love the Tiger. Kitty dps and AoE fury every 10s is neat.

I use Fire Wyvern with my condi build.

The tiger is now the best kitten for dps. Tiger > Stalker = Panther > Lynx > Snow Leopard. There are no reasons to not use a tiger in pve. In pvp, smokescale is still very good, despite getting hit by the nerf bat three times.

Lévis.5489:

The tiger is now the best kitten for dps. Tiger > Stalker = Panther > Lynx > Snow Leopard. There are no reasons to not use a tiger in pve. In pvp, smokescale is still very good, despite getting hit by the nerf bat three times.

Actually, there is a lot of reasons why not to use Tiger in high level fractals (which is a targeted PvE content).
One of them is efficiency. Almost everywhere else, yes, the Tiger is of the best DPS choices. Lynx right behind it, beating Tiger against mobs with high toughness.

Jaguar is not better even against standard mobs. Tested.

Smokescale for the win.

Which skills do you guys use with smokescale’s F2 and to what end? Blast finishers grant 3 secs of invis but which ones do you use as a ranger?

You can blast the smoke field for 3 second inviz. Or you can use your projectile finishers to spam blinds on your target. I keep my pets on passive though so they are always beside me. I will often trigger smoke field if im fighting close quarters or if i want to stomp someone. Triggering F2 while your pet is passive will also cause them to attack your target.

Smokescale and Bristleback are absolutely great pets. I use them all the time in HoT. Smokescale is very tough, keeps aggro well. Bristleback is great for boss fights and solid range dps.

Smokescale and Bristleback are absolutely great pets. I use them all the time in HoT. Smokescale is very tough, keeps aggro well. Bristleback is great for boss fights and solid range dps.

PvE
Tiger for low cd fury, dps, & to name Hobbes.
Electric Wyvern-breakbar.

I don’t PvP, and holding off on WvW til I finish a legend. But like what others have mentioned Smokescale/X.

I swap pets around all the time, and I have a preference for birds normally, so I was just a teensy bit sad we didn’t get more pets who get a lot of flight time.

The HoT pets are interesting, and some of them are downright preferable to the older pets, like the Tiger when it comes to Remorseless builds over the red Moa or the Bristleback when you want a pet with ranged damage over a devourer. While I wish there were a few new support-based pets (the fern hound is a useful little bugger), I’m pretty happy with what we got.

I hope we get more at some point, however. One of the best parts of playing a ranger is running around and gathering pets like a Pokemon trainer.

So I’m new to Ranger with a Druid aimed for healing (Skirmish, NM, Druid) and I’ve been practicing while doing the DS meta but I’m finding very often my Bristleback going down much faster than my Tiger. Constantly. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong since Bristleback is ranged and I would assume out of direct damage more often.

cocowoushi.7150:

So I’m new to Ranger with a Druid aimed for healing (Skirmish, NM, Druid) and I’ve been practicing while doing the DS meta but I’m finding very often my Bristleback going down much faster than my Tiger. Constantly. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong since Bristleback is ranged and I would assume out of direct damage more often.

That’s DS for ya. My guess might be since it stays stationary (for the most part), it leaves itself vulnerable to remaining in Sniper flame trail shots, Torment AOE fields, and M. Shadow Leaper poison fields.

Sniper trails seems to get my pets more-or-less because they are fired at another player’s position and my pet is in the line of fire. If it’s not that, then I don’t know.

Wondrouswall.7169:

cocowoushi.7150:

So I’m new to Ranger with a Druid aimed for healing (Skirmish, NM, Druid) and I’ve been practicing while doing the DS meta but I’m finding very often my Bristleback going down much faster than my Tiger. Constantly. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong since Bristleback is ranged and I would assume out of direct damage more often.

That’s DS for ya. My guess might be since it stays stationary (for the most part), it leaves itself vulnerable to remaining in Sniper flame trail shots, Torment AOE fields, and M. Shadow Leaper poison fields.

Sniper trails seems to get my pets more-or-less because they are fired at another player’s position and my pet is in the line of fire. If it’s not that, then I don’t know.

Thanks for the reply and peace of mind it’s not just me. I’ll work on calling it to me more often to keep it out of crossfire.

I have seen a Bristleback hit me for over 12k damage in WvW on multiple occasions with Spike Barrage between the physical damage and the bleeding. The combat log looks like a death of a thousand cuts with damage ranging from 500-600 per hit times 15 and several bleed stacks mixed in. It is jarring how fast it spikes its damage.

Bristleback does amazing DPS. Its glass, but still. Extremely useable. Probably my favorite of the new pets in terms of overall effectiveness.

Smokescale is solid. DPS is still pretty nice, and the smoke field has some good utility for tanking and stealth shenanigans (though I don’t really use the latter).

Tiger I don’t have yet, but I used it during beta, and its just a normal feline anyway so its not like its anything drastically different. Its good. Good DPS as with most cats, and the Fury is a nice touch to have a DPS pet with some support built-in.

Wyverns are garbage. Can’t hit anything, bad DPS even when they do hit, disappointing F2 skills. I still use them occasionally because they look awesome, but if I’m doing something that requires a “good” pet then they’re out of the question.

Lévis.5489:

The tiger is now the best kitten for dps. Tiger > Stalker = Panther > Lynx > Snow Leopard. There are no reasons to not use a tiger in pve. In pvp, smokescale is still very good, despite getting hit by the nerf bat three times.

Bristleback + Strength of the Pack does more damage than this lol.

Tiger is solid. It’s really good for Remorseless builds.

Bristleback, the structure buster, is by far the best pet overall when it comes to damage against targets that moves around a lot, and is also very good against stationary targets. Oh and don’t forget the aoe attack! QZ+F2 and watch them targets melt!

Bristleback F2 + BM/NM + sick ’em + sotp = 15 hits ranging from 1.200 to 1.600 dmg each.

I replaced River Drake with bristleback and Wolf with Electo Wyvern. The on demand knockdown is priceless, and the semi passive winged buffet happens at the right time more often than not.

Britstleback/Smokescale/tiger are REALLY good, so I’m using them a lot. The wyverns…leave it up to Anet to make tamable dragons suck.

People who complain about Wyverns generally do not main Ranger or Druid for pvp…

Here is my take on Wyverns within PvP

Electric Wyvern:
-Awesome safe stomp from their F2
-1/3 of it’s skills is a 80 range Knockback
-1/3 of it’s skills is an aoe cripple
-Nice round stats with 1,868 power, 2,211 toughness, 2,898 vitality
The power stat can be a little higher but it’s not vital to make it an awesome pet.

Fire Wyvern:
-Consuming flame is hard to understand for rookie rangers and druids, this is an f2 skill that you can NOT spam in 1v1’s and win with. This skill is a channel skill which is it’s biggest weakness. When channeling, it creates a fire field that pulses 6 times dealing 2 seconds of burning for every pulse. At the completion of the channeling, the aoe becomes a fire field that can be blasted by you or allies (staff 3 anyone?)
The best way to use this skill, is towards the start of the game at the initial mid fight. Generally in any type of fight that is > than 3. That way, your pet is able to apply all of that nice burning to the enemy team.
-1/3 of it’s skills is a 80 range Knockback
-1/3 of it’s skills is an aoe cripple

Really for the fire wyvern, removing the channeling and increasing its condition stat would make it a viable pet for rookie rangers and druids within pvp.

I have two different builds that I run, both of which are pretty successful imo.
One variation, I end up using: Fern Hound + Electric Wyvern.

Another Variation, I end up using Lynx + Fire Wyvern

One variation I have been testing is more of a condi control build that uses both wyverns. Fire for team fights and Electric for stomps + constant knock backs,

@Wolfey

I do not see a single reason why should anyone create a whole build to keep enemies rooted and rooted and never let them move an inch just to make a pet reliable.
… Or to play a game of RNG.

Regardless of how nice the mechanical descriptions of the skills are – they rarely hit. So if you drop the potential by roughly 7/10 (which is a very realistic number of when Wyvern actually hits) – the Wyverns stop being useful for anything else but random utility. I haven’t found any use of Electric Wyvern apart form Safe-Stomping. And that’s it. No use of Fire Wyvern for PvP so far. Sacrificing a pet slot for 3 might while throwing your escape on CD is a joke.
I’d take the very same concept with AoE stealth from SmokeScale for everyone anyday. I won’t even discuss it.

Wolf can do the similar to Electric Wyvern and can do it more reliably. You can even control it’s knockdown up to some point.

If you believe my 87% of Ranger played PvP (including all the testing for Ranger community and tutoring for several people) means not maining one – I’d have to ask you to prove otherwise.
Your claim is a very brave one.

Wolfey.3407:

People who complain about Wyverns generally do not main Ranger or Druid for pvp…

Here is my take on Wyverns within PvP

Electric Wyvern:
-Awesome safe stomp from their F2
-1/3 of it’s skills is a 80 range Knockback
-1/3 of it’s skills is an aoe cripple
-Nice round stats with 1,868 power, 2,211 toughness, 2,898 vitality
The power stat can be a little higher but it’s not vital to make it an awesome pet.

Fire Wyvern:
-Consuming flame is hard to understand for rookie rangers and druids, this is an f2 skill that you can NOT spam in 1v1’s and win with. This skill is a channel skill which is it’s biggest weakness. When channeling, it creates a fire field that pulses 6 times dealing 2 seconds of burning for every pulse. At the completion of the channeling, the aoe becomes a fire field that can be blasted by you or allies (staff 3 anyone?)
The best way to use this skill, is towards the start of the game at the initial mid fight. Generally in any type of fight that is > than 3. That way, your pet is able to apply all of that nice burning to the enemy team.
-1/3 of it’s skills is a 80 range Knockback
-1/3 of it’s skills is an aoe cripple

Really for the fire wyvern, removing the channeling and increasing its condition stat would make it a viable pet for rookie rangers and druids within pvp.

I have two different builds that I run, both of which are pretty successful imo.
One variation, I end up using: Fern Hound + Electric Wyvern.

Another Variation, I end up using Lynx + Fire Wyvern

One variation I have been testing is more of a condi control build that uses both wyverns. Fire for team fights and Electric for stomps + constant knock backs,

No one is going to sacrifice a pet slot for a safe stomp. Bristleback and the smokescale combo is devastating atm, they give you the burst that you do not have. Wyverns attacks do not even land 99% of the time, and consuming flames is highly telegraphed and does not make up for the wyverns overall terrible design.

And why the hell would anyone use a fern hound in place of the broken duo we have? Scratch that, why would anyone use fern hound in sPvP period?

Tragic Positive.9356:

Wolf can do the similar to Electric Wyvern and can do it more reliably. You can even control it’s knockdown up to some point.

The electro Wyvern’s Charge is an insta-cast Launch and it’s on demand. What are you talking about?

Archon.6480:

Tragic Positive.9356:

Wolf can do the similar to Electric Wyvern and can do it more reliably. You can even control it’s knockdown up to some point.

The electro Wyvern’s Charge is an insta-cast Launch and it’s on demand. What are you talking about?

F2 misses a lot, even on stationary targets. Wolf leaps at the target to knock them down (mostly guaranteed).

FriendlyInvader.3126:

Wolfey.3407:

I have two different builds that I run, both of which are pretty successful imo.
One variation, I end up using: Fern Hound + Electric Wyvern.

Another Variation, I end up using Lynx + Fire Wyvern

One variation I have been testing is more of a condi control build that uses both wyverns. Fire for team fights and Electric for stomps + constant knock backs,

No one is going to sacrifice a pet slot for a safe stomp. Bristleback and the smokescale combo is devastating atm, they give you the burst that you do not have. Wyverns attacks do not even land 99% of the time, and consuming flames is highly telegraphed and does not make up for the wyverns overall terrible design.

And why the hell would anyone use a fern hound in place of the broken duo we have? Scratch that, why would anyone use fern hound in sPvP period?

I would pick a pet in order to facilitate a safe stomp, or to set up a chain hard CC to gib opponents. There are also several reasons one might pick fern hound in PvP.

That being said, the combination of bristleback and smokescale do work very well on many Ranger/Druid builds. The passive damage output on smokescale is impressive. There are better choices if you are trying to stack hard CCs.

Wolfey.3407:

People who complain about Wyverns generally do not main Ranger or Druid for pvp…

Glad you’ve found what you think is good use from these pets, but this statement is a bit insulting. Imho, you’re gimping yourself running them.

Archon.6480:

Tragic Positive.9356:

Wolf can do the similar to Electric Wyvern and can do it more reliably. You can even control it’s knockdown up to some point.

The electro Wyvern’s Charge is an insta-cast Launch and it’s on demand. What are you talking about?

With a wolf you can potentially fear 4 people trying to ress the bloody guy.
With Electric Wyvern you only prevent his self-save ability.
So if you have him downed already – you are probably going to win anyways. In a teamfight, Wolf securing is much better.

I’m talking about practical use and results, not cast times. Wolf’s fear is on demand, too, his knock can be on-demand even if it’s a high skill-cap use, and the only difference is that Wyvern prevents 1 person from saving himself while Wolf stops 4 other people from helping him.
While wolf can be used for a quantum of other situations, especially offensively.

Archon.6480:

FriendlyInvader.3126:

Wolfey.3407:

I have two different builds that I run, both of which are pretty successful imo.
One variation, I end up using: Fern Hound + Electric Wyvern.

Another Variation, I end up using Lynx + Fire Wyvern

One variation I have been testing is more of a condi control build that uses both wyverns. Fire for team fights and Electric for stomps + constant knock backs,

No one is going to sacrifice a pet slot for a safe stomp. Bristleback and the smokescale combo is devastating atm, they give you the burst that you do not have. Wyverns attacks do not even land 99% of the time, and consuming flames is highly telegraphed and does not make up for the wyverns overall terrible design.

And why the hell would anyone use a fern hound in place of the broken duo we have? Scratch that, why would anyone use fern hound in sPvP period?

I would pick a pet in order to facilitate a safe stomp, or to set up a chain hard CC to gib opponents. There are also several reasons one might pick fern hound in PvP.

That being said, the combination of bristleback and smokescale do work very well on many Ranger/Druid builds. The passive damage output on smokescale is impressive. There are better choices if you are trying to stack hard CCs.

You have immob, pet taunt and multiple dazes. No need for more CCs, and if you have them crowd controlled, a bristleback f2/smokescale swap can instantly down them. You are gimping yourself running anything else. You can use the smokescale f2 for a stealth finish, or rampage as one for a safe finish. No need to sacrifice a huge damage component for a “safe stomp” [the enemy team can still CC you].

Also,the only victims of the fern hound are the players who use it and the team that gets matched up with that player.

OGDeadHead.8326:

Wolfey.3407:

People who complain about Wyverns generally do not main Ranger or Druid for pvp…

Glad you’ve found what you think is good use from these pets, but this statement is a bit insulting. Imho, you’re gimping yourself running them.

I would say a majority of the ranger player base within PvP (rather small in comparison to other classes) prefer to use a pet that requires no skill or mental capacity to use.

It’s only insulting if there is some truth to it. If there is no truth to it, there should be no means of those words being insulting. People are generally way to lazy or refuse to alter their build to have something work.

It’s all “mettabattle” “woodenpotatoes” or “shin” builds only or go home type of mentality. If something clashes with one of the above, it’s broken or useless in their opinions.

Tragic Positive.9356:

@Wolfey

I do not see a single reason why should anyone create a whole build to keep enemies rooted and rooted and never let them move an inch just to make a pet reliable.
… Or to play a game of RNG.

Tripple post, but again worth it.

Control Bunker

Look into it, it’s hilarious to knock some one off point with Glyph of Tides and have them immol off point. Free Decap, with some time… free Cap.

Hell, I’ve decapped and capped a point just in a 3v1 situation.

Knocked 3 people off point, had them immol, made progress on the decap. Heal my self back up, rinse and repeat till i had a cap.

While they were immol, had my fire wyvern cause burning and grant me might to widdle them down.

Wolfey.3407:

FriendlyInvader.3126:

Wolfey.3407:

People who complain about Wyverns generally do not main Ranger or Druid for pvp…

Here is my take on Wyverns within PvP

Electric Wyvern:
-Awesome safe stomp from their F2
-1/3 of it’s skills is a 80 range Knockback
-1/3 of it’s skills is an aoe cripple
-Nice round stats with 1,868 power, 2,211 toughness, 2,898 vitality
The power stat can be a little higher but it’s not vital to make it an awesome pet.

Fire Wyvern:
-Consuming flame is hard to understand for rookie rangers and druids, this is an f2 skill that you can NOT spam in 1v1’s and win with. This skill is a channel skill which is it’s biggest weakness. When channeling, it creates a fire field that pulses 6 times dealing 2 seconds of burning for every pulse. At the completion of the channeling, the aoe becomes a fire field that can be blasted by you or allies (staff 3 anyone?)
The best way to use this skill, is towards the start of the game at the initial mid fight. Generally in any type of fight that is > than 3. That way, your pet is able to apply all of that nice burning to the enemy team.
-1/3 of it’s skills is a 80 range Knockback
-1/3 of it’s skills is an aoe cripple

Really for the fire wyvern, removing the channeling and increasing its condition stat would make it a viable pet for rookie rangers and druids within pvp.

I have two different builds that I run, both of which are pretty successful imo.
One variation, I end up using: Fern Hound + Electric Wyvern.

Another Variation, I end up using Lynx + Fire Wyvern

One variation I have been testing is more of a condi control build that uses both wyverns. Fire for team fights and Electric for stomps + constant knock backs,

No one is going to sacrifice a pet slot for a safe stomp. Bristleback and the smokescale combo is devastating atm, they give you the burst that you do not have. Wyverns attacks do not even land 99% of the time, and consuming flames is highly telegraphed and does not make up for the wyverns overall terrible design.

And why the hell would anyone use a fern hound in place of the broken duo we have? Scratch that, why would anyone use fern hound in sPvP period?

Double post but worth it.

1) I presume you do not have heart of thorns so you do not know what a druid is.
My apologies that you are commenting on a thread will little to no knowledge of your classes elite spec.

2) Fern hounds F2 is amazing for a supportive role. When I’m running a supportive druid role, I am able to constantly keep my team at around 85-90% hp through out the whole fight.

3) I am actually shocked you have no clue how powerful regen is, which goes back to your lack of knowledge of what a druid is capable of doing.

Maybe you should go to the wiki and read up on your class and your pets before posting, it may make you seem a little less idiotic on the forums.

I’ll take my infraction now please.

Remarks:
This is an open discussion[a lot of lurkers/players see this]. I honestly do not care if you agree/disagree, and there are probably a lot of people that agree with either you or me, I’m just giving my perspective.

Firstly, before I address your points, hurling insults at people and belittling them does not make any of your counter-points better.

Secondly, I have 1k+ hours on my ranger/druid, over 600 ranked games on the class alone and over 1000 games played, currently in ruby playing exclusively druid [though ruby is not amazing] and have experienced and am still experiencing a linear climb. I also have high MMR and majorly get placed against opponents that understand team fights, bursting down targeted players, and rotations.

Counter Arguements:

1) See remarks

2) Druid is sufficient as a support role. What it lacks is damage/pressure, which the bristleback/smokescale combination offers. If you lock someone up down with your team, you can aid in spiking them down IMMENSLY [game changing] with just the pets. Infact, most people complain about the druid’s pets, as they reason that the druid should not have so much damage on the pets. You are removing a very OP component of the ranger atm for a rather minuscule long CD small heal.

3)The overall flaw in your post is that you assumed that I didn’t use the BM trait line[traited shouts] to bring permanent regen already to my team

I like to use the bristleback and tiger. Wyverns are useless unfortunately.

FriendlyInvader.3126:

Secondly, I have 1k+ hours on my ranger/druid, over 600 ranked games on the class alone and over 1000 games played, currently in ruby playing exclusively druid [though ruby is not amazing] and have experienced and am still experiencing a linear climb. I also have high MMR and majorly get placed against opponents that understand team fights, bursting down targeted players, and rotations.

Counter Arguements:

1) See remarks

2) Druid is sufficient as a support role. What it lacks is damage/pressure, which the bristleback/smokescale combination offers. If you lock someone up down with your team, you can aid in spiking them down IMMENSLY [game changing] with just the pets. Infact, most people complain about the druid’s pets, as they reason that the druid should not have so much damage on the pets. You are removing a very OP component of the ranger atm for a rather minuscule long CD small heal.

3)The overall flaw in your post is that you assumed that I didn’t use the BM trait line[traited shouts] to bring permanent regen already to my team

Since we are going to wave our e-roosters on stats, let me pull mine out
3,867 games with Ranger/ Druid
2,008 of those being Ranked
7,310 hours on Ranger/ Druid
I also have a High MMR and constantly end up with high end teams.
I also respond to a little over 100 pms a day asking for advice in game with druid/ranger
I also write weekly reports on PvP, and reports on Ranger and Druid when requested
Climbed from Deer-Bear pre Dragon patch with just Ranger
((bunny was on my engie))

Now that we are done waving e-roosters around, lets get back to the discussion.

1) see my remarks

2) I am removing pets that everyone should know how to counter with (if not you really aren’t in a high end MMR games) with pets that offer more support. Regen and healing is something that you can never have too much of. Hell, I had a game not even 5 minutes ago to where I was able to keep my team around 80% hp against 3 Dragon Hunters, 1 Diamon Skin Tempest, and 1 Power Reaper. My little fern hound did wonders on keeping regen up. My Electric wyvern basically did a nice round of bowling when it came to knocking the other team down and allowing for easy stomps.

3) The over all flaw in your argument is assuming that people are too stupid to counter meta game play.

Now that is said, can we get back to the topic at hand or shall we continue to joust with our e-roosters?

Wolfey.3407:

OGDeadHead.8326:

Wolfey.3407:

People who complain about Wyverns generally do not main Ranger or Druid for pvp…

Glad you’ve found what you think is good use from these pets, but this statement is a bit insulting. Imho, you’re gimping yourself running them.

I would say a majority of the ranger player base within PvP (rather small in comparison to other classes) prefer to use a pet that requires no skill or mental capacity to use.

It’s only insulting if there is some truth to it. If there is no truth to it, there should be no means of those words being insulting. People are generally way to lazy or refuse to alter their build to have something work.

It’s all “mettabattle” “woodenpotatoes” or “shin” builds only or go home type of mentality. If something clashes with one of the above, it’s broken or useless in their opinions.

Lmao, so using an optimal pet = no skill?
Timing F2 spike for Bristleback = no skill?
Timing CC usage on wolf/ dog = no skill?

You think the way you click F2 for pets is more skillful then?
You think you click that f2 and grant regen is such a skillful, masterful complex usage?
You think you click that f2 on Electric Wyvern to cc is more skillful than other people press f2 to activate another skill for another purpose?
What an arrogant person.

There’s one common fallacy within forum. Some people always thought they’re that 5% that do way better than others, while the 95% others are inferior to them. They often start with: “This class spec is not bad, it’s just that 99% of people are idiots who don’t know the class, only I know the class!”

Well, suffice it to say, there are at least two PvP vets, each having played several thousand ranked matches that say electro wyvern is useful. There are some others who say it is broken and doesn’t work. OK, we can just agree to disagree on this. The minute it gets added to MetaBattle, everyone will fall in line like good little lemmings.

Archon.6480:

Well, suffice it to say, there are at least two PvP vets, each having played several thousand ranked matches that say electro wyvern is useful. There are some others who say it is broken and doesn’t work. OK, we can just agree to disagree on this. The minute it gets added to MetaBattle, everyone will fall in line like good little lemmings.

Haha, that is pretty true. Electro wyvern can be useful if its attacks can land, and can be a viable option if smoke scale and bristleback get nerfed, because I’m seriously of the opinion that this combination is IMMENSELY powerful : P. I’m REALLY surprised that Anet released the wyverns in a bugged/terribly designed state. These problems can seriously be seen within a few minutes, I’m surprised their QA team didn’t pick up on it.

FriendlyInvader.3126:

Archon.6480:

Tragic Positive.9356:

Wolf can do the similar to Electric Wyvern and can do it more reliably. You can even control it’s knockdown up to some point.

The electro Wyvern’s Charge is an insta-cast Launch and it’s on demand. What are you talking about?

F2 misses a lot, even on stationary targets. Wolf leaps at the target to knock them down (mostly guaranteed).

It misses if you use it at an inopportune time. It will hit every time if you use it at the right moment. Wolf has such a small health pool that its usefulness has been diminished. Especially in this current AoE heavy meta.

I am not going to say Wolf is useless, or smokescale. I could easily make good use of both. I am only saying I find Electro Wyvern to be very useful. I am sure Wolfey would agree. I find it annoying when the local forum trolls show up and start spouting nonsense. X is useless, or Y is crap. If you look back you’ll see that’s what started this. I can assure you Wolfe and I are not the only high level Druids giving this pet a close look.

Archon.6480:

FriendlyInvader.3126:

Archon.6480:

Tragic Positive.9356:

Wolf can do the similar to Electric Wyvern and can do it more reliably. You can even control it’s knockdown up to some point.

The electro Wyvern’s Charge is an insta-cast Launch and it’s on demand. What are you talking about?

F2 misses a lot, even on stationary targets. Wolf leaps at the target to knock them down (mostly guaranteed).

It misses if you use it at an inopportune time. It will hit every time if you use it at the right moment. Wolf has such a small health pool that its usefulness has been diminished. Especially in this current AoE heavy meta.

I am not going to say Wolf is useless, or smokescale. I could easily make good use of both. I am only saying I find Electro Wyvern to be very useful. I am sure Wolfey would agree. I find it annoying when the local forum trolls show up and start spouting nonsense. X is useless, or Y is crap. If you look back you’ll see that’s what started this. I can assure you Wolfe and I are not the only high level Druids giving this pet a close look.

No, it can miss, even if the opponent is standing still/downed. You guys can say that it is good, and I can provide my counter arguments[I already have]. The only point that is given [feel free to provide more] is that it can provide a safe stomp , and that is assuming that the enemy does not have teammates that can still CC you.

I can say ‘X’ is crap in contrast to Y. In this case, X is the fernhound or any wyvern in contrast to the smokescale/bristleback combo.

NOTE 1: I can change my opinion on a matter, im not here to argue for the sake of arguing and im not arrogant. Calling someone[not accusing you] an idiot , troll or any other insult just because they do not agree with you is a really bad practice.

NOTE 2: Just a personal opinion[feel free to refute it], but I feel like the people that try to justify something that is really weak and niche are actually holding that thing back. If they instead called on Anet to buff/get it in line with other things, we might see change.

Aomine.5012:

Lmao, so using an optimal pet = no skill?
Timing F2 spike for Bristleback = no skill?
Timing CC usage on wolf/ dog = no skill?

You think the way you click F2 for pets is more skillful then?
You think you click that f2 and grant regen is such a skillful, masterful complex usage?
You think you click that f2 on Electric Wyvern to cc is more skillful than other people press f2 to activate another skill for another purpose?
What an arrogant person.

For strategic purposes yes. If you’re hindering your team by being predictable and hard countered in higher up game play then yes it matters. Please keep using projectiles from a pet in pvp, esp one that does a tone of them. Let’s put up a reflect right when see the per rear up and laugh as you kill your whole team. GG

Better yet, let me throw down Sublime conversion and laugh as you single handily heal up my team or my self in a team fight GG

Actually you defined skillful with what i put, using a pets mechanic to your advantage by fully understanding how it works. Electric Wyvern does a knock down → knowing it can interrupt a person in down state → safe stomp.

BristleBack → Hit f2 → ohhhh #’s I so pro
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well hell… just killed my team in a team fight because of reflects

Btw, you may want to actually read my comments before posting, because I have a feeling you skimmed over a couple of sections and waved your e-rooster around while wearing your white knight armor.

My comments were originally defending Electric Wyvern, someone got kitten hurt because i included fern hound in my build. I went to defend Fern Hound, and now we are here.

Ahh… the power of literacy….

Wolfey.3407:

Tripple post, but again worth it.

Control Bunker

Look into it, it’s hilarious to knock some one off point with Glyph of Tides and have them immol off point. Free Decap, with some time… free Cap.

Hell, I’ve decapped and capped a point just in a 3v1 situation.

Knocked 3 people off point, had them immol, made progress on the decap. Heal my self back up, rinse and repeat till i had a cap.

While they were immol, had my fire wyvern cause burning and grant me might to widdle them down.

Fighting 3 people without stability and being able to decap them … That’s basically sad. That’s no offense but your opponent were awfully bad.

Another counter-argument: what makes you think you wouldn’t be able to do it with Wolf instead of the Wyvern, again? Wolf does send enemies out of point as well and it’s on demand unlike Wyvern that has only in-place knock-up on F2.

And last but not least: If you think that Fern Hound is what keeps people at 85%HP, you are most probably playing the wrong game. If you really think regeneration can keep up with Revenant’s / Thief’s / Mesmer’s or anyone’s else damage – you are definitely playing the wrong game.
CC is what keeps your allies’ HP high. Not regeneration or Fern Hound (really now…). If I wanted to get regeneration for my team I’d get Healing Spring so I could allow them to blast heal themselves.

You know… “Metabattle” or “Woodenpotatoes” usually come up with builds that mostly everyone would play for efficiency even if they haven’t known any of that. Those are the builds that are efficient if you know what that means.
If a player knows what he is doing he can win even with 1 hand behind his back and not using a pet at all. But only a fool would acknowledge a terrible pet to be on par with pets that are actually useful.

No offense here, but if you really believe you can 1v3 people, being able to decap them and be able to spend blasts for MIGHT and not HEALING to cap the point – that’s just a pure show of how unrealistic your experience is.

If that was possible – it would be full of competitive scene. Well you guess what. None of that happens.

FriendlyInvader.3126:

I can say ‘X’ is crap in contrast to Y. In this case, X is the fernhound or any wyvern in contrast to the smokescale/bristleback combo.

NOTE 1: I can change my opinion on a matter, im not here to argue for the sake of arguing and im not arrogant. Calling someone[not accusing you] an idiot , troll or any other insult just because they do not agree with you is a really bad practice.

NOTE 2: Just a personal opinion[feel free to refute it], but I feel like the people that try to justify something that is really weak and niche are actually holding that thing back. If they instead called on Anet to buff/get it in line with other things, we might see change.

So everyone should shut up on their opinions and listen to you because mettabattle has your back. OK

You are here for the sake of arguing or you would have let people post what they felt with out insulting other pets and slavishly the people who talk about said pets.

Let’s discuss the flaws of your favorite pet combo since you enjoy constantly bringing up both Electric Wyvern and Fernhound.

1) Bristleback
Part of the meta = almost every new ranger/druid is running it.
Down fall, people should know how to counter it by now…
It’s f2 is a ton of projectiles, all you need is an ok placed reflect to watch the other team whipe from that ranger/ druid not knowing what they were doing. This goes back to a fundamental policy of Risk >< Reward. If you’re facing another rdruid, all they have to do is place Sublime Conversion then type “thank you” in map chat as you have just healed up that druids team. The animation for bristle backs F2 is very easy to spot…

2) Smoke Scale
Part of the meta = almost every new ranger/druid is running it.
Down fall, people should know how to counter it by now…
It’s F2 while nice for 1v1 and roaming, is complete garbage for team fights…. It lays down a smoke field which you can not control the location of. Because of this, you end up cancelling out vital water fields or strategic fire fields. Not to mention if it lays down its smoke field, you run the risk of it being blasted on point and having your team being stealthed on point…. thanks for the partial decap or full decap depending on the state of the point….

Now lets look at Electric Wyverns Faults:
Tail Lash: Range is 130 and does not always hit
F2: Seems to be the further away the pet is, the less of a chance it has to knock down.

Electric Wyverns faults in team fights:
Chance at lightning field over writing a water or fire field if it’s end spot lands on those fields. On the bright side, unlike smoke scale, you don’t jeopardize your teams hold of a point.

As it stands, Electric Wyvern is in a way better place than most pets for PvP.
It does have a couple of things that need to be fixed and only one of them is semi urgent…. that being Tail Lash.

I feel that people who promote a meta over anything else is really holding a class back when it comes to PvP… You’re forcing anet to craft the small class based on 1 build instead of diversifying and trying to find other niches for the class to be good at.

I like how some are finding a use for the Wyverns. Maybe not the most universal pets, but they are, in my opinion, very close to being fully realized. Been using them more recently. A few minor tweaks here and there and they should be good to go.