Is it possible to beat a mesmer as a ranger?

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Posted by: Puck.9612

Puck.9612

I disagree that it makes sense. You still need to go on the offensive for it to be offensive. You are not winning by merely defending. Therefore any offense is a better offense than defense.

Plus, you cannot have both be true at the same time. If someone purely defends and someone purely attacks, both cannot have the best offense.

At first reading this I thought I was confused. After reading it twice more I realized it was you who was confused.

You cannot say the best offense is a good defense if in order to win, you need to also go on the offense. Whereas you can say that the best defense is a good offense because you already won with your offense.

Defending is about repelling an offensive. If going on the offensive to exploit the aggressor’s lack of defense, you are still being defensive. If you manage to put the aggressor on the defensive, and they ofcoarse have no reasonable defense cause they put everything into offense, they lost.

The best defense is a good offense, is both fallacy and truth. Condi bunker vs glass cannon.

If you need an example where what I said is true then go back to gw1 Fort Aspenwood-Kurzick side. If you just try to turtle forever you maybe will win barely. But if people go out and take the cap points you will win most of the time. Doesn’t matter how aggressive kurzick side is, they are still the defender.

I could explain to you further but I’m not a teacher in the art of war. Actually there is a book I think called just that lols.

I always play on the Kurzick side and I noticed that if we have more than two healers (be it monk or ritualist), the chances are higher. They can hold the last gate by keeping the juggernaut alive. Things would look great for Kurzick side if they have one protection monk and one healing monk.

Do people still play FA/JQ/AB? I went there recently and no one was in any of those maps. They show up on the days/weeks for the quests?

I find your comment to be funny.

JQ? You must not be playing at the time when the map looks red to the opposing team.

BG? Yep, they seem to want JQs spot… Funny that they have to side with JQ to do it… JQ slides down one and YB stays at third – poor JQ :={/

YB? We are Yaks. We just want more players, better people who don’t cheat , who like the team concept and who do have honor.

Are you joking or did you not actually read what they posted? I mean you specifically quoted where he said “go back to gw1 Fort Aspenwood-Kurzick side.”

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Posted by: Chokolata.1870

Chokolata.1870

Power mesmer yes, PU condition no.

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Posted by: SpellOfIniquity.1780

SpellOfIniquity.1780

Condi Mesmers rarely have much, if any, condition cleanse. Survival or Trapper Ranger can make quick work of them.

Personally I’ve always hated LB Ranger and have been a condition Ranger for a very long time. I gave up on Trapper after the trait reworks because throwable traps was what made me like it so much. These days I’m a full Survival/Beastmaster Ranger and Mesmers are still as easy prey as ever due to their low condition management.

Make good use of your weapon evades, bait out Distortion, count their dodges and pin them down with Entangle. From there they should be toast.

Also remember to take Survival Of The Fittest over Empathetic Bond because a passive cleanse won’t save you against a condition Mesmer.

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Posted by: kiwituatara.6053

kiwituatara.6053

The condi pu pretty much hard counters ranger. We have too few aoes to get rid of clones and we receive double the amount of conditions since a lot of their condi-applying skills will bounce between the ranger and the pet. It’s even worse if they trait for reflect on manipulation skills, even if you’re a condi ranger you still rely on quite a few projectiles to apply condis (s/t & a/d builds).

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Posted by: UmbraNoctis.1907

UmbraNoctis.1907

No, they don’t hard counter rangers. They may have the upper hand in a duel, but lb power ranger is acutally one of those very few builds, that has a chance to kill them, thanks to high sustained ranged dmg, cc, and decent condi remove. And if you can’t kill them, it should be no problem to escape, unless you make mistakes. For me they are just annoying, but not very dangerous in 1vs1. If i can’t kill one, i /sleep and walk away ^^.

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Posted by: Nike.2631

Nike.2631

Have you tried main-hand axe? Pretty much the more they pump out clones the more you kick their backside up around their ears. Bounces see through invisibility just fine…

“You keep saying ‘its unfair.’
I wonder what your basis for comparison is…”
- Jareth, King of Goblins.

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Posted by: Puck.9612

Puck.9612

Have you tried main-hand axe? Pretty much the more they pump out clones the more you kick their backside up around their ears. Bounces see through invisibility just fine…

yeah but that only works if you are using axe on a power build which is pretty bad in every other situation

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Posted by: Nike.2631

Nike.2631

Looks like the Scrapper may be another situation axe shines .

“You keep saying ‘its unfair.’
I wonder what your basis for comparison is…”
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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

Fluffball.8307

yeah but that only works if you are using axe on a power build which is pretty bad in every other situation

I occasionally WvW roam with a condi-focused cele MH axe. Cele armor and a mix of trinkets to get the right stats. Works pretty well against mesmers, especially since they’re weak to condis.

Also what’s up with all the Nike rangers posts lately, are you a ranger player now?

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Posted by: kiwituatara.6053

kiwituatara.6053

Have you tried main-hand axe? Pretty much the more they pump out clones the more you kick their backside up around their ears. Bounces see through invisibility just fine…

Yea I’ve tried berserker axe before. It improves your chances of winning by a little bit, but it still takes 2-3 hits to kill the clones since the axe AA has scales horribly with power. You’re still at a disadvantage.

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Posted by: robertul.3679

robertul.3679

Condi mesmers don’t need to shatter that often and between scepter and staff they got more than enough clone generation anyway. So axe doesn’t do much, but I agree a condi ranger has a much higher chance than power.

Power ranger can’t do anything against them. The range advantage means nothing when they got perma stealth.

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Posted by: idontnoso.9850

idontnoso.9850

My best advice is to run a balanced power type build. Too much offense is a no no against mesmers since they can just kill you so much faster. Next you also need to make sure you run “Sic Um”, BUT don’t just think its an instant win with that utility. You need to anticipate “Mass Invisibility” with is obvious skill animation. Why? Cause most mesmers use MI as a last escape skill. All their other invisibility skills don’t last as long as MI. SO once you see that MI animation, hit “Sic Um” and watch them run for their lives. Or, if they are a kittenty mesmer, just use “Sic Um” when their health is running low to ensure that they don’t run away.

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Posted by: Puck.9612

Puck.9612

My best advice is to run a balanced power type build. Too much offense is a no no against mesmers since they can just kill you so much faster. Next you also need to make sure you run “Sic Um”, BUT don’t just think its an instant win with that utility. You need to anticipate “Mass Invisibility” with is obvious skill animation. Why? Cause most mesmers use MI as a last escape skill. All their other invisibility skills don’t last as long as MI. SO once you see that MI animation, hit “Sic Um” and watch them run for their lives. Or, if they are a kittenty mesmer, just use “Sic Um” when their health is running low to ensure that they don’t run away.

That only works against bad mesmers. Smarter players will user the stealth from torch before using mass invis to keep from accidentally reflecting a projectile and revealing themselves.

Luckily 90% of the mesmers you will run into are terrible players that band wagoned onto the current easy mode class.

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