Guild Wars 2

I don’t expect the next patch to fix even half our problems. Ask me this question again 3 years down the line.

Serraphin Stprm says it so well… As a ranger u adapt to u’r circumstances around u. It’s a tricky and challenging class to get strong and survivable, but its veru much possible.

Like the other classes it’s not perfect, there are things that can be made better/be improved – but its far from as bad as many wants sto state.

NargofWoV.4267:

Scrotbag.9715:

1) Not really. Every class is different and writing something like this is just lazy and untrue.

2) There are many viable builds… The problem is you just need to play them correctly to maximise them. You can’t play every build the same

3) Speak for yourself… i.e. Trap build = never having to worry about a thief again. It’s the same as above really, you can’t treat every class with the same approach. If you do, you deserve to get whipped.

4) I can only assume you haven’t played the game since the recent patch that buffed spirits. If you need confirmation of this, go play sPvP or read the forums. Spirit rangers are solid in sPvP resulting in mass QQ on forums about them.

I can’t stand posts like this. If you post a massive moan about your class with the classic and incredibly boring “If we don’t get a buff I’m quitting” then I pray for 2 things. 1) a nerf 2) you to be true to your word and quit.

We really don’t need any more whingers in this class forum.

1). While every class is different, you can get away with a single build and play everything fairly well with other classes, where you can’t with a ranger. Casual Player Unfriendly.

2). I love posts that say, " Oh to beat this class you should use this traits, this armor, this weapon, swap this pet out, move here, wait for them to try to do X, then hit Y and WIN!" The Ranger class lacks adaptability. Casual Player Unfriendly.

3). “you can’t treat every class with the same approach” Gee, ok, hang on Cond. Necro while I run to Lion’s Arch to respect, re gear, and retrait, then I will come back and show you something! Casual Player unfriendly.

4). I’ve yet to step foot in an Spvp event… I don’t play this game for that type of play. Could care less how the ranger plays in that environment.

1.) wrong. Surely you can spec a allround build. But there is no jack of all trades device.
2.) same with every other profession. its so massively exaggerated.
3.) see also 2.)
4.) what about people that don’t care about PvE?

so looking at your points, it seems clearly to me that you lack class adaptability.

What’s a “whingers” ?

if you can’t figure out it by yourself, then there is nothing left to be added.

Don’t care, staying on ranger.

NargofWoV.4267:

Treeline.3865:

My opinion? I have a ranger, mesmer and necromancer.
In PvE? Ranger all the way.
In PvP? Ranger all the way (Although occasionally a necromancer does outskill me)

..And I’m still friggin scared when I run into a spirit ranger.

And yet, there are posts on this forum from folks saying they had been kicked out of PUG groups in PvE dungeon runs for using a bow….

I have not ever been kicked for being a ranger. I’m also nearly always on my shortbow. 2.400 hours played, all dungeons complete, fractals to level 40. I don’t get it ^^ I was once kicked from a CoF path 1 run, but that’s the “only warriors/mesmers” dumbnuts

The funny thing is that I’ ve spent these last two days..duelling most of the rangers who posted comments towards me like : You can’ t play this class ^^ Learn to play and so on..^^
They were simply nabs ah ah who died so easily..
I won’ t write their names here to avoid being reported..but seriously..before writing such things..really learn to play your ranger ^^ ah ah))

Serraphin Storm.2369:

TLDR

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There is no doubt that the ranger is a hard class to play. There are lots of ranger who have a great deal of success with this class and prefer it over any other class.

The difference between the rangers that have the greatest success with this class and the ones who do not is that the one who have the greatest success play the class that is before them. Not the class the hope the ranger to be. They adapt.

To build a good ranger it take more fine tuning. It takes better reaction times. As a ranger you are required to make less mistakes. As a warrior or Guardian you are permitted to eat so of the biggest attacks in the game and just shake it off. Thieves, Ele and Mesmers can disengage from a fight at will and it take very little skill to do so.

Necro and eng just need 10 second and your dead from condtion overload.

As a decent ranger skill level is above the average player. Some rangers can escape at will. The spirited build was nerf because when a ranger is on even ground he kicks kitten . Yes the build was a bit passive but no more than they other classes.

To Play a Ranger you must improve you must adapt you must have a deep desire to over come and never say die.

This isn’t for everyone, but no class is for everyone nor should they be. I play a ranger because its not OP because it’s not easy mode.

Are the issue with the ranger. Yes. I wish my pet scaled with my gear. I wish my pet followed closer to my side. I wish we had more aoe besides axes and traps (barrage does count and piecing isn’t enough (maybe a traited bouncing arrow instead) Pet die but if they die to often then its mostly the rangers fault. Anything that will down a player will kill a pet.

The Ranger core is strong. Rangers learn your strengths over come your weakness then go back build and develop more strengths. To do this you have to over come your fear. I myself am always testing myself. While I like my sword I always have a ranged backup but starting today I will go sword/x and GS. I will develop the skills to effectively run these set in all aspects of the game (exept when I’m farming nothing beats axes). I will run this until I’m satisfied with my performance. Until I’m one of those rangers that almost never die.

The 3 issue I mention are what I feel are the biggest issue outside of them I am happy with the Ranger class. I do not desire a stow option because I know what this class was when I created my ranger.

You get out of this class what you put into it.

took way too long to just say “I like hardmode”

Pegaasus.3280:

The funny thing is that I’ ve spent these last two days..duelling most of the rangers who posted comments towards me like : You can’ t play this class ^^ Learn to play and so on..^^
They were simply nabs ah ah who died so easily..
I won’ t write their names here to avoid being reported..but seriously..before writing such things..really learn to play your ranger ^^ ah ah))

I got dragon class in sPvP but asked Anet not to let it show and I got full ascended gear in PvE but transmuted all to low tier skins just so I don’t embarass people ingame.

Get a grip sunshine, this post is even more ridiculous than your first.

Scrotbag.9715:

Pegaasus.3280:

The funny thing is that I’ ve spent these last two days..duelling most of the rangers who posted comments towards me like : You can’ t play this class ^^ Learn to play and so on..^^
They were simply nabs ah ah who died so easily..
I won’ t write their names here to avoid being reported..but seriously..before writing such things..really learn to play your ranger ^^ ah ah))

I got dragon class in sPvP but asked Anet not to let it show and I got full ascended gear in PvE but transmuted all to low tier skins just so I don’t embarass people ingame.

Get a grip sunshine, this post is even more ridiculous than your first.

So you transmuted your weapons? I mean really, full ascended gear? What does that even mean? You’ve got jewelry and a backpack and weapons. Jewelry and the backpack are common place, and the weapons are craftable, so why would anyone be embarrassed? I put a lot of work into my backpack so I like to show it off. I haven’t bothered with the weapons yet, but unless they look amazing, instead of squirrely like most of the crafted weapons I’ll end up transmuting them anyway.

I’m just lost at what the point of this post was.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Scrotbag.9715:

Pegaasus.3280:

The funny thing is that I’ ve spent these last two days..duelling most of the rangers who posted comments towards me like : You can’ t play this class ^^ Learn to play and so on..^^
They were simply nabs ah ah who died so easily..
I won’ t write their names here to avoid being reported..but seriously..before writing such things..really learn to play your ranger ^^ ah ah))

I got dragon class in sPvP but asked Anet not to let it show and I got full ascended gear in PvE but transmuted all to low tier skins just so I don’t embarass people ingame.

Get a grip sunshine, this post is even more ridiculous than your first.

So you transmuted your weapons? I mean really, full ascended gear? What does that even mean? You’ve got jewelry and a backpack and weapons. Jewelry and the backpack are common place, and the weapons are craftable, so why would anyone be embarrassed? I put a lot of work into my backpack so I like to show it off. I haven’t bothered with the weapons yet, but unless they look amazing, instead of squirrely like most of the crafted weapons I’ll end up transmuting them anyway.

I’m just lost at what the point of this post was.

This post

Your Head

He said he had “Full Ascended” as in fully decked out ascended and was “Dragon Ranked” two things that are entirely impossible to accomplish right now (granted dragon rank is getting close to being done).

Pegaasus.3280:

The funny thing is that I’ ve spent these last two days..duelling most of the rangers who posted comments towards me like : You can’ t play this class ^^ Learn to play and so on..^^
They were simply nabs ah ah who died so easily..
I won’ t write their names here to avoid being reported..but seriously..before writing such things..really learn to play your ranger ^^ ah ah))

I actually believe this when I see it.

As mainly a PvE’er (okay so…. melee’ing Lupicus on ranger & soloing HotW might not actually qualify me for average PvE’er … but the experience gaps stands mostly) … I hear sooooo….many…. WvW’ers and sPvP’ers constantly putting down PvE’ers for supposedly not knowing what a real fight or challenge or whatever looks like. And also Whining that PvE’ers get all the new content and attention from the Devs and then spoonfed rewards for easy content. But what do I see when I actually PvP most people in this game? …. mostly scrubs.

And that’s not even a bad thing. It’s GOOD that there’s so many unskilled people still in these game modes. If it was all super l337 pros then no one new to the game would ever be able to learn how to PvP in this game b/c you can’t learn anything against an opponent who’s >9001 % better than you. There has to be a wide variety of skill levels otherwise the entire thing turns into a snake eating its own tail until there’s nothing left but its fangs.

..but…

That swagger of theirs really needs to stop. End game PvE in Gw1 was NOT for the timid. RA’ers & JQ’ers who tried to talk smack about hardmode speedrunners were laughed out of forums. Even Polymock pros had more Cred than most PvP’ers. ….So it’s basicaly like anything in life … If you ask a specialist you’re just gong to get a really biased and insular opinion. The guy with multiple Master’s Degrees will probably give you much better advice overall than the guy with a single Doctorate. …especially if any of those masters are in some kind of history

blutstein.2468:

1.) wrong. Surely you can spec a allround build. But there is no jack of all trades device.
2.) same with every other profession. its so massively exaggerated.
3.) see also 2.)
4.) what about people that don’t care about PvE?

so looking at your points, it seems clearly to me that you lack class adaptability.

What’s a “whingers” ?

if you can’t figure out it by yourself, then there is nothing left to be added.

If you were to look at all my posts on this forum, you would find out that I did find a build that I thought worked fairly well as a Ranger with the difficult pet AI issues nullified mostly. That is of a Melee Ranger. However, you will also read that wasn’t what I signed up for when I rolled a “master of the ranged” class. Adaptability fails when the ranged class master seems to only excel in melee distance. Sure I could adapt, but instead I rolled a class that SHOULDN’T be better than a ranger at ranged, but is, a Warrior.

In fact, I would argue the Ranger LB set of abilities ought to be out and out whole sale swapped with the Warrior LB abilities. It would make better sense.

3,935 hours on ranger, 3968 hours across all characters, im pretty sure i’ve mastered my ranger by far. When i go into spvp i destroy all other rangers and their not even close fights, i always win by a long shot. I hate this so much tho, why cant ranger be easy like the other classes? Mesmer just has to spam phantasms and dodge skills, warrior just has to put on healing signet now and tank away, guardian can just spam his staff and tank all day, thief can just constantly go invisi….what does a ranger have? pretty much just its dodging ability. Warriors, Thieves, and Necros can out tank and apply better conditions then rangers. If you try to go longbow you have to pretty much be full zerker to make it worth it and full zerker only works in WvW zergs. All these rangers in spvp trying to make the LB happen? Just lieing to themselves. Everytime i see a ranger with a longbow or his greatsword out i know its a instant win and so does my team when i run with them all we have to do is instant target the ranger and it melts under our immoblises, stuns, and conditions. Pets die so easy to conditions now its not even funny, the rangers only good condition removal kills its own pet (thanks anet). I know exactly when to switch my pet out to keep it alive for as long as it possibly can so please don’t try and argue i don’t know how to run my pet if it keeps dieing….theres only so much conditions you can get transfered before your pet just dies before the recharge is up. Thanks to necros, warriors, and thieves condition durations your pets are next to nothing when up against them. Ranger really needs to be completely reworked.

1. They need to make condition durations for ranger on par with the other classes.
2. They need condition removal on weapon skills, not just traits and utilities.
3. They need to make pets just an utility and give us back the 40% damage.
4. Give us damage negating skills on weapons, (like greatsword 4) but that doesnt end when ya get attacked.
5. Give the shortbow back its firing rate like it was before it was nerfed 2 months after game was out.
6. Synergize the traits a whole lot better.
7. Allow the GS to have better aoe attacks and have its attacks hit more accurately.
8. Reduce recharge of Longbow skills.
9. Allow spike trap to trigger its "immobilise 3 times like it says on the actual skill: “Pulses three times when trigggered”
10. Please find a way to improve pet AI even more (i know its really hard but hopefully theres a way).

Would continue but its already TLDR so ill stop there for now. In case you were wondering i run a condition/crit hybrid trapper.

Casey.9687:

3,935 hours on ranger, 3968 hours across all characters, im pretty sure i’ve mastered my ranger by far. When i go into spvp i destroy all other rangers and their not even close fights, i always win by a long shot. I hate this so much tho, why cant ranger be easy like the other classes? Mesmer just has to spam phantasms and dodge skills, warrior just has to put on healing signet now and tank away, guardian can just spam his staff and tank all day, thief can just constantly go invisi….what does a ranger have? pretty much just its dodging ability. Warriors, Thieves, and Necros can out tank and apply better conditions then rangers. If you try to go longbow you have to pretty much be full zerker to make it worth it and full zerker only works in WvW zergs. All these rangers in spvp trying to make the LB happen? Just lieing to themselves. Everytime i see a ranger with a longbow or his greatsword out i know its a instant win and so does my team when i run with them all we have to do is instant target the ranger and it melts under our immoblises, stuns, and conditions. Pets die so easy to conditions now its not even funny, the rangers only good condition removal kills its own pet (thanks anet). I know exactly when to switch my pet out to keep it alive for as long as it possibly can so please don’t try and argue i don’t know how to run my pet if it keeps dieing….theres only so much conditions you can get transfered before your pet just dies before the recharge is up. Thanks to necros, warriors, and thieves condition durations your pets are next to nothing when up against them. Ranger really needs to be completely reworked.

1. They need to make condition durations for ranger on par with the other classes.
2. They need condition removal on weapon skills, not just traits and utilities.
3. They need to make pets just an utility and give us back the 40% damage.
4. Give us damage negating skills on weapons, (like greatsword 4) but that doesnt end when ya get attacked.
5. Give the shortbow back its firing rate like it was before it was nerfed 2 months after game was out.
6. Synergize the traits a whole lot better.
7. Allow the GS to have better aoe attacks and have its attacks hit more accurately.
8. Reduce recharge of Longbow skills.
9. Allow spike trap to trigger its "immobilise 3 times like it says on the actual skill: “Pulses three times when trigggered”
10. Please find a way to improve pet AI even more (i know its really hard but hopefully theres a way).

Would continue but its already TLDR so ill stop there for now. In case you were wondering i run a condition/crit hybrid trapper.

11. Make Barrage a Shoot and Forget ability like the Warrior F1, give it a bit longer cool down if you must, but no reason a Ranger should have to stand there while it ticks off.

barrage needs to immobilize with first wave of arrows so that it secures kills every now and then, and allows cripple to stack in duration a little bit. cast time needs to be halved.

12) Simply deleting this class becouse it sucks badly.
No devs play ranger and they do admit it.
They have nerfed our pets and our spirits with no reason.
They simply hate rangers and if October15th update is a failure, me and tons of rangers that I personally know ( some of them in real life ) simply will quit the game.
Arenanet is joking with the fire.

Pegaasus.3280:

12) Simply deleting this class becouse it sucks badly.
No devs play ranger and they do admit it.
They have nerfed our pets and our spirits with no reason.
They simply hate rangers and if October15th update is a failure, me and tons of rangers that I personally know ( some of them in real life ) simply will quit the game.
Arenanet is joking with the fire.

Then why don’t you gtfo to other class? I’m happy playing ranger, so saying to delete it, only coz you have problems to reroll to warrior, is, simply said, moronic.

Balance issues are balance issues, but noone is forcing you to play ranger. Leave it for ppl who like it.

Yea, Terkov I followed your advice a few weeks back. I have moved to another class, but I didn’t want to. My play style is better suited to the LB Warrior. I would rather play my Ranger, which keeps me here looking for news on something that will allow the Ranger to excel in the way I wish to play the class.

NargofWoV.4267:

Yea, Terkov I followed your advice a few weeks back. I have moved to another class, but I didn’t want to. My play style is better suited to the LB Warrior. I would rather play my Ranger, which keeps me here looking for news on something that will allow the Ranger to excel in the way I wish to play the class.

Nothing you said right here makes sense. If you are better suited to a different class why are you so intent on playing this class? It’s fine to watch the class to see if it changes into something you like, but why would it be so important as to make you actually want to do so?

If we don’t care about endgame viability (wvw/dungeons), then rangers is to me the most fun profession out there. If we do care however rangers are FAR behind.

1: Condition removal. Just stinks. For instance, Twilight arbor dungeon, you need it a lot to cleanse poison (more so then healing spring cooldown can give you). How to solute this? pigeonholed builds? ‘Bearbow’ build stink i hear but this is one of the reasons i use Bear, they can remove a condition from you.

2) Skill animations to long. This is especially tru for sword 2. It is meant as a dodge, but doenst work as a dodge, because it’s so slow (and unlike thief larcenous strike, it doenst have build in evasion).

3) No viable melee (yet). Sword is close if you try to master it, but it will still let you down in certain situations you matter what. We need a viable cleave, that’s not holding us back.

4) Aoe’s to few on bows. Seriously. Look at necro staff marks, staff ele, grenade engie, bow warrior (2-5 skills are ALL AOE all of them!!!!), only mesmer seems worse but they at least got shatter, and low cooldown berserker phantasm.

5) Stunbreakers. Our best one is lightning reflex. But we need other ‘good’ stunbreakers. Like the quickness skill really is crappy now, either lower CD a lot (and keep stunbreaker so it become viable stunbreaker, and a nice dps boost in certain time or replace the skills. Other professions have ‘defense’ skills, and all of them have at least 2x stunbreaker (looking at stance warrior: endure pain AND balanced stance, super combo, so you almost always can break stun). We rangers don’t have (much) stability to rely on, so we need at least viable stunbreak rotation possible like the blink + decoy combo on mesmer.

6) Pet dies to easely. There’s craploads of solutions to this though. Fix every single thing i pointed above, and this might not even be necessary then rangers might be already viable on their own, and pet will be bonus (that was solution nr 1). Solution nr 2, give pets aoe damage reduction. Solution nr 3 reduce cd on pet swap. Solution nr 4 increase pet thoughness. having 3k armor is so much better then 2000-2400 (like bear). They suddenly might be able to survive a lot more stuff. Solution nr 5: Give us a skill to teleport pet to target location (cooldown). This will be the way of ‘pet dodging’ and having pets avoid 1 shot aoe’s. There, I gave you 5 options Anet. You only must pick one and ranger will already be in a better place. If you don’t know now what to do then i’m perplexed.

Kal Spiro.9745:

NargofWoV.4267:

Yea, Terkov I followed your advice a few weeks back. I have moved to another class, but I didn’t want to. My play style is better suited to the LB Warrior. I would rather play my Ranger, which keeps me here looking for news on something that will allow the Ranger to excel in the way I wish to play the class.

Nothing you said right here makes sense. If you are better suited to a different class why are you so intent on playing this class? It’s fine to watch the class to see if it changes into something you like, but why would it be so important as to make you actually want to do so?

Probably because the switch to the “new” class, my only other level 80, is a recent thing, I leveled my warrior a few weeks back took a couple weeks. Now, I have had to spend time getting him geared up to be even close to how my Ranger is geared out. New toon still isn’t where the Ranger is in Gear but getting there.

Also, for some aspects of the game, playing the Ranger is fine, PvE comes to mind, Champ farming, or running around gathering or even dungeon runs (having to learn them from a new toon ability). The way it fits my play style better is in WvWvW, the thing I most enjoy about this game. It is in this area where Warrior LB > Ranger LB which is why it took so long for me to make the decision to level up another toon, something I swore I wouldn’t do.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

If we don’t care about endgame viability (wvw/dungeons), then rangers is to me the most fun profession out there. If we do care however rangers are FAR behind.

1: Condition removal. Just stinks. For instance, Twilight arbor dungeon, you need it a lot to cleanse poison (more so then healing spring cooldown can give you). How to solute this? pigeonholed builds? ‘Bearbow’ build stink i hear but this is one of the reasons i use Bear, they can remove a condition from you.

2) Skill animations to long. This is especially tru for sword 2. It is meant as a dodge, but doenst work as a dodge, because it’s so slow (and unlike thief larcenous strike, it doenst have build in evasion).

3) No viable melee (yet). Sword is close if you try to master it, but it will still let you down in certain situations you matter what. We need a viable cleave, that’s not holding us back.

4) Aoe’s to few on bows. Seriously. Look at necro staff marks, staff ele, grenade engie, bow warrior (2-5 skills are ALL AOE all of them!!!!), only mesmer seems worse but they at least got shatter, and low cooldown berserker phantasm.

5) Stunbreakers. Our best one is lightning reflex. But we need other ‘good’ stunbreakers. Like the quickness skill really is crappy now, either lower CD a lot (and keep stunbreaker so it become viable stunbreaker, and a nice dps boost in certain time or replace the skills. Other professions have ‘defense’ skills, and all of them have at least 2x stunbreaker (looking at stance warrior: endure pain AND balanced stance, super combo, so you almost always can break stun). We rangers don’t have (much) stability to rely on, so we need at least viable stunbreak rotation possible like the blink + decoy combo on mesmer.

6) Pet dies to easely. There’s craploads of solutions to this though. Fix every single thing i pointed above, and this might not even be necessary then rangers might be already viable on their own, and pet will be bonus (that was solution nr 1). Solution nr 2, give pets aoe damage reduction. Solution nr 3 reduce cd on pet swap. Solution nr 4 increase pet thoughness. having 3k armor is so much better then 2000-2400 (like bear). They suddenly might be able to survive a lot more stuff. Solution nr 5: Give us a skill to teleport pet to target location (cooldown). This will be the way of ‘pet dodging’ and having pets avoid 1 shot aoe’s. There, I gave you 5 options Anet. You only must pick one and ranger will already be in a better place. If you don’t know now what to do then i’m perplexed.

Dungeon’s, unless your working on speed records, are do able on a Ranger. Sure some things are easier with certain classes, but that doesn’t make them impossible, just because you have a Ranger rather than an Ele, lets say.

1. Anet has mentioned Buffing the Bear to do the Cond. Removal thing better.

3. Anet has mentioned buffing the Weapon #’s for the Ranger Class on Oct. 15th.

4. Agree.

6. Anet did buff pet Hp, and I suspect, with the new Ascended gear coming out they will take a look at this again or the pet dmg figures.

I hear your frustration though.

Pegaasus.3280:

As we all can see ranger has so many limits compared to other classes..look warriors look necros, look mesmers..look any other class except ranger.
I can count dozens of Rangers I personally Know who simply quitted the game or rerolled another class just becouse ranger is not competitive anymore.
Of course there are still some viable builds like the condition ones..but if you fight against a pro warrior or thief or whatelse..you will die no way.
They nerfed our pets..they nerfed our spirits..They could have simply delete our class
Anyway October15 is really last Train for ranger class.
If Arenanet fails..well count 5 rangers and 5 players less in Gw2
( I have a small guild of rangers )
What do you think guys?^ Tell me your opinions

From what I saw roaming ( imho ) :

Ranger > Elementalist / i can’t remember the last time i died in 1vs1 vs them

Ranger = Mesmer / with confusion it’s very hard to find the right time to attack
without killing yourself at the same time, otherwise is just a 50/50

Ranger > Guardian / very few guardians are roaming these days

Ranger = Engineer / the most fun class to fight, yesterday I had a 1vs1, both in berserker, the mach lasted 5 seconds, we both got downed in less than 1 second, I was winning the fight ( then other ppl came and ruin it all ) just because rangers are OP in downed state ( pet still deals a lot of dmg )

Ranger < Thief / in most cases thief have an advantage over ranger, and they can reset the fight

Ranger < Warrior / like thief they have an advantage over ranger, and they also can reset the fight at will

What’s the problem ? I think the melee classe are too much powerfull compared to ranged one, Anet boosted melee to a point where a ranger is forced to leave the bow at home if he wants to be competitive.

Still, a spike ranger (LB) team will destroy everything in its path, I have tried once 3 spike rangers + 1 guardian healer/buffer, we melted groups of 4/5 ppl in seconds, even a necro doesn’t have that much HP to survive a ranger spike.

@Phoebe Ascension
I combine 1 with 5. I’ve got passive condition removal all the time, just like several classes in Signet of Renewal, and it’s a stunbreaker when I need it. I’ll grant it’s crap cooldown compared to other stunbreaks, but it’s still there.

I’ll admit, though, that I’m not sure if it’s a only a stunbreaker because I’m traited for signets.