Guild Wars 2

I hear a lot of complaints that the ranger class sucks overall and is horrible, and yes, it does. But there is still one build left that is okay after nerfing the already worst class in the game.

The bunker ranger.

The bunker ranger is horrible compared to other bunker classes because rangers overall suck, but the build can abuse evade and invulnerability to give it about 15 seconds of invulnerability. Sure any class will kill you 1v1 and you will be completely useless in almost every scenario, but you can 1v5 a group on a point for atleast 15 seconds!

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docMed.7692:

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You must be terrible if you think the Ranger’s only remaining viable build is bunker.

Show me one build or scenario where ranger outshines any other class,
besides this one

I constantly 1v2 pugs with my condi build (running shortbow + axe/torch). Not to mention the build itself is great for the ranger’s arch-rivals, thief & mesmer. Carry condi removal, lit reflex, QZ and entangle – quite the powerful combo to escape any cc and deal dmg + cc your opponent. Of course you need to run double canine pets for their leaps, etc. to add additional CC.

I think the Ranger just simply isn’t an easy class to play and the general population don’t take the time to learn them inside/out. They are an amazing class with an array of builds that are viable for multiple situations. Play in an organized tourney team and you’ll find the general consensus of these teams is that ranger’s are easily one of the top classes for multiple roles.

Pugs are easy. There aren’t any “viable” builds in the sense that a player of a different class with the same skill level will almost always own you.

docMed.7692:

I think the Ranger just simply isn’t an easy class to play and the general population don’t take the time to learn them inside/out. They are an amazing class with an array of builds that are viable for multiple situations. Play in an organized tourney team and you’ll find the general consensus of these teams is that ranger’s are easily one of the top classes for multiple roles.

This is probably the most sensible thing I’ve read on the forums in a while.

Rangers have an incredible amount of control, most people just aren’t willing to think outside of the condition/shortbow/QZ mold.

docMed.7692:

I constantly 1v2 pugs with my condi build (running shortbow + axe/torch). Not to mention the build itself is great for the ranger’s arch-rivals, thief & mesmer. Carry condi removal, lit reflex, QZ and entangle – quite the powerful combo to escape any cc and deal dmg + cc your opponent. Of course you need to run double canine pets for their leaps, etc. to add additional CC.

I think the Ranger just simply isn’t an easy class to play and the general population don’t take the time to learn them inside/out. They are an amazing class with an array of builds that are viable for multiple situations. Play in an organized tourney team and you’ll find the general consensus of these teams is that ranger’s are easily one of the top classes for multiple roles.

I can also 1v2 pugs who don’t know how to play with any class or build in the game. Ranger requires some skill level to play but even if nearly perfected the class is still out shined by other classes.

Ranger top class for multiple role?
Horrible 1v1 class
Worst bunker class
Ok in team fights
Bad roamer

I’m confused.

They are an amazing 1v1 class, Mid-level bunker, awesome in team fights (entangle, QZ rez, stuns to stop stomps, massive aoe’s, great direct damage), and they are awesome roamers (Warhorn + they can burst well).

The only classes that give them trouble are thiefs/mesmers in which case they can still be dealt with.

You honestly must be terrible if you think they are the worst class against any 1v1 matchup.

nldixon.8514:

docMed.7692:

I think the Ranger just simply isn’t an easy class to play and the general population don’t take the time to learn them inside/out. They are an amazing class with an array of builds that are viable for multiple situations. Play in an organized tourney team and you’ll find the general consensus of these teams is that ranger’s are easily one of the top classes for multiple roles.

This is probably the most sensible thing I’ve read on the forums in a while.

Rangers have an incredible amount of control, most people just aren’t willing to think outside of the condition/shortbow/QZ mold.

We seem to be agreeing on quite a few things

docMed.7692:

They are an amazing 1v1 class, Mid-level bunker, awesome in team fights (entangle, QZ rez, stuns to stop stomps, massive aoe’s, great direct damage), and they are awesome roamers (Warhorn + they can burst well).

The only classes that give them trouble are thiefs/mesmers in which case they can still be dealt with.

You honestly must be terrible if you think they are the worst class against any 1v1 matchup.

Mesmers destroy them 1v1.
Thieves destroy them 1v1.
Engineers destroy them 1v1.
Necros destroy them 1v1.
Warriors kinda even battle.
Guardians destroy them 1v1.
Elementalist kinda even battle

Any other class except warrior out bunkers them.

They are decent in teamfights like I said, nothing exceptional. Yes they got pretty good direct damage and some aoes but thats about it. Not like they have a huge aoe 10 second haste to the team or a aoe 8-10k burst heal.

They are pretty bad roamers, very limited mobility (lol a warhorn?) compared to mesmers and thieves. They have mediocre burst compared to other classes. Thief/mesmer/warrior(warhorn power?) will all outburst them

Amazing 1v1? That must be a joke!

I admit ranger can be DESCENT bunker if played well, but NOT good at 1v1.

The Guardian with a hammer/staff build, Hammer of Wisdom and Sanctuary can bunker 1v5 for longer than this, so it still isn’t the best

arcaneclarity.5283:

The Guardian with a hammer/staff build, Hammer of Wisdom and Sanctuary can bunker again 1v5 for longer than this, so it still isn’t the best

Some abilitys such as ground target AoE’s can still hit him no? And I don’t think he is invulnerable as long as 15 seconds like this build.
I don’t think it does. +D

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

They are an amazing 1v1 class, Mid-level bunker, awesome in team fights (entangle, QZ rez, stuns to stop stomps, massive aoe’s, great direct damage), and they are awesome roamers (Warhorn + they can burst well).

The only classes that give them trouble are thiefs/mesmers in which case they can still be dealt with.

You honestly must be terrible if you think they are the worst class against any 1v1 matchup.

Mesmers destroy them 1v1. *It’s even if you know how to build/play your class.
Thieves destroy them 1v1. *It’s even if you know how to build/play your class.
Engineers destroy them 1v1. Rangers have an edge, especially considering most engi builds are oriented around dealing damage via aoe drops (e.g. rangers don’t need to stand in them)
Necros destroy them 1v1. Necros are very easy to kill (only 1 build that is annoying, and even then, it’s situational)
Warriors kinda even battle. *With the right CC, warriors are easy mode
Guardians destroy them 1v1. *Taking a point from a bunker is tough, but if you sit back and kite/kill them it is quite easy. In a 1v1 battle though where a ranger can kite (if you’re just speaking of dueling 1v1, this is an easy mode fight)
Elementalist kinda even battle. *Ele is fairly even, although they, in my opinion, need a slight DPS boost.

Any other class except warrior out bunkers them. * I agree, mid-level class, e.g. average bunker.

They are decent in teamfights like I said, nothing exceptional. Yes they got pretty good direct damage and some aoes but thats about it. Not like they have a huge aoe 10 second haste to the team or a aoe 8-10k burst heal. *You’re missing their stuns/leaps/aoe fears from pets, QZ + rez, or QZ + stomp, stability, etc.

They are pretty bad roamers, very limited mobility (lol a warhorn?) * *Yes, a warhorn, I don’t use it in combat, but I switch to it, blow #5, then hard switch it out from my weapons rotation****** compared to mesmers and thieves. They have mediocre burst compared to other classes. Thief/mesmer/warrior(warhorn power?) will all outburst them

I don’t really know what to say anymore. Your counter arguments are really really stupid. Watch or talk to any people who know what they talking about, preferably r30+.

Tied for worst/second worst bunker in the game = mid level bunker? lol. /facepalm

I don’t even want to try anymore. Look at your own arguments, they contradict yourself and are very very stupid.

What a good counter argument – “You’re dumb”. Isn’t that a bit contradicting itself? =/

Yet it’s the argument you’ve been using all night telling people they suck.

But this build isn’t viable at all. You stat for power, but you don’t add any precision. You use a shortbow and dagger, but you only have 300 condition damage. And your vitality is low as well. So basically you have a build with some great toughness, low vitality, and low damage. Have you considered that maybe the Ranger is bad, because your build it badly?

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

They are an amazing 1v1 class, Mid-level bunker, awesome in team fights (entangle, QZ rez, stuns to stop stomps, massive aoe’s, great direct damage), and they are awesome roamers (Warhorn + they can burst well).

The only classes that give them trouble are thiefs/mesmers in which case they can still be dealt with.

You honestly must be terrible if you think they are the worst class against any 1v1 matchup.

Mesmers destroy them 1v1. *It’s even if you know how to build/play your class.
Thieves destroy them 1v1. *It’s even if you know how to build/play your class.
Engineers destroy them 1v1. Rangers have an edge, especially considering most engi builds are oriented around dealing damage via aoe drops (e.g. rangers don’t need to stand in them)
Necros destroy them 1v1. Necros are very easy to kill (only 1 build that is annoying, and even then, it’s situational)
Warriors kinda even battle. *With the right CC, warriors are easy mode
Guardians destroy them 1v1. *Taking a point from a bunker is tough, but if you sit back and kite/kill them it is quite easy. In a 1v1 battle though where a ranger can kite (if you’re just speaking of dueling 1v1, this is an easy mode fight)
Elementalist kinda even battle. *Ele is fairly even, although they, in my opinion, need a slight DPS boost.

Any other class except warrior out bunkers them. * I agree, mid-level class, e.g. average bunker.

They are decent in teamfights like I said, nothing exceptional. Yes they got pretty good direct damage and some aoes but thats about it. Not like they have a huge aoe 10 second haste to the team or a aoe 8-10k burst heal. *You’re missing their stuns/leaps/aoe fears from pets, QZ + rez, or QZ + stomp, stability, etc.

They are pretty bad roamers, very limited mobility (lol a warhorn?) * *Yes, a warhorn, I don’t use it in combat, but I switch to it, blow #5, then hard switch it out from my weapons rotation****** compared to mesmers and thieves. They have mediocre burst compared to other classes. Thief/mesmer/warrior(warhorn power?) will all outburst them

I don’t really know what to say anymore. Your counter arguments are really really stupid. Watch or talk to any people who know what they talking about, preferably r30+.

Tied for worst/second worst bunker in the game = mid level bunker? lol. /facepalm

I don’t even want to try anymore. Look at your own arguments, they contradict yourself and are very very stupid.

What a good counter argument – “You’re dumb”. Isn’t that a bit contradicting itself? =/

I never called you dumb, but now I am starting to question your intelligence. I was calling your arguments dumb because they either ignored everything else that was posted in the thread or used some excuse or point to back it up that made no sense at all.

Kasama.8941:

But this build isn’t viable at all. You stat for power, but you don’t add any precision. You use a shortbow and dagger, but you only have 300 condition damage. And your vitality is low as well. So basically you have a build with some great toughness, low vitality, and low damage. Have you considered that maybe the Ranger is bad, because your build it badly?

The build is meant for the 15 seconds of invulnerability/evade that it has, you would know that if you read the full first post of this thread.

Vorkk.4927:

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

They are an amazing 1v1 class, Mid-level bunker, awesome in team fights (entangle, QZ rez, stuns to stop stomps, massive aoe’s, great direct damage), and they are awesome roamers (Warhorn + they can burst well).

The only classes that give them trouble are thiefs/mesmers in which case they can still be dealt with.

You honestly must be terrible if you think they are the worst class against any 1v1 matchup.

Mesmers destroy them 1v1. *It’s even if you know how to build/play your class.
Thieves destroy them 1v1. *It’s even if you know how to build/play your class.
Engineers destroy them 1v1. Rangers have an edge, especially considering most engi builds are oriented around dealing damage via aoe drops (e.g. rangers don’t need to stand in them)
Necros destroy them 1v1. Necros are very easy to kill (only 1 build that is annoying, and even then, it’s situational)
Warriors kinda even battle. *With the right CC, warriors are easy mode
Guardians destroy them 1v1. *Taking a point from a bunker is tough, but if you sit back and kite/kill them it is quite easy. In a 1v1 battle though where a ranger can kite (if you’re just speaking of dueling 1v1, this is an easy mode fight)
Elementalist kinda even battle. *Ele is fairly even, although they, in my opinion, need a slight DPS boost.

Any other class except warrior out bunkers them. * I agree, mid-level class, e.g. average bunker.

They are decent in teamfights like I said, nothing exceptional. Yes they got pretty good direct damage and some aoes but thats about it. Not like they have a huge aoe 10 second haste to the team or a aoe 8-10k burst heal. *You’re missing their stuns/leaps/aoe fears from pets, QZ + rez, or QZ + stomp, stability, etc.

They are pretty bad roamers, very limited mobility (lol a warhorn?) * *Yes, a warhorn, I don’t use it in combat, but I switch to it, blow #5, then hard switch it out from my weapons rotation****** compared to mesmers and thieves. They have mediocre burst compared to other classes. Thief/mesmer/warrior(warhorn power?) will all outburst them

I don’t really know what to say anymore. Your counter arguments are really really stupid. Watch or talk to any people who know what they talking about, preferably r30+.

Tied for worst/second worst bunker in the game = mid level bunker? lol. /facepalm

I don’t even want to try anymore. Look at your own arguments, they contradict yourself and are very very stupid.

What a good counter argument – “You’re dumb”. Isn’t that a bit contradicting itself? =/

Yet it’s the argument you’ve been using all night telling people they suck.

I never said it was unviable. Nonetheless, I’m out for the evening, good chats, stay fresh forums.

Kasama.8941:

Jordan.9132:

The build is meant for the 15 seconds of invulnerability/evade that it has, you would know that if you read the full first post of this thread.

So you make a purposely bad build, and then proceed to complain that the Ranger sucks? That doesn’t make any sense at all..

It actually makes perfect sense for the Ranger forums.

There are ways to make defensive Rangers that can actually survive for quite a while, this just isn’t one of them.

Jordan.9132:

No, it was meant as a joke build since rangers got their last good thing in pvp nerfed. But the thread was filled with bleeding hearts and it became into a serious baby thread.

Okay, so you made a purposely bad topic, and now you are complaining that it turned out negative? What did you expect was going to happen? Your point would have gotten across a lot better, if you had showed a good looking build, playing badly.

docMed.7692:

I constantly 1v2 pugs with my condi build (running shortbow + axe/torch). Not to mention the build itself is great for the ranger’s arch-rivals, thief & mesmer. Carry condi removal, lit reflex, QZ and entangle – quite the powerful combo to escape any cc and deal dmg + cc your opponent. Of course you need to run double canine pets for their leaps, etc. to add additional CC.

I think the Ranger just simply isn’t an easy class to play and the general population don’t take the time to learn them inside/out. They are an amazing class with an array of builds that are viable for multiple situations. Play in an organized tourney team and you’ll find the general consensus of these teams is that ranger’s are easily one of the top classes for multiple roles.

Agree 100%. I use that exact build and stomp people, but I find it really boring (so I try relentlessly to find another decent build). Problem with the sPvP browser is the players you get stuck with never synergize with any other ranger build. Longbow needs a buff though to make a flat damage build viable.

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

I constantly 1v2 pugs with my condi build (running shortbow + axe/torch). Not to mention the build itself is great for the ranger’s arch-rivals, thief & mesmer. Carry condi removal, lit reflex, QZ and entangle – quite the powerful combo to escape any cc and deal dmg + cc your opponent. Of course you need to run double canine pets for their leaps, etc. to add additional CC.

I think the Ranger just simply isn’t an easy class to play and the general population don’t take the time to learn them inside/out. They are an amazing class with an array of builds that are viable for multiple situations. Play in an organized tourney team and you’ll find the general consensus of these teams is that ranger’s are easily one of the top classes for multiple roles.

I can also 1v2 pugs who don’t know how to play with any class or build in the game. Ranger requires some skill level to play but even if nearly perfected the class is still out shined by other classes.

Ranger top class for multiple role?
Horrible 1v1 class
Worst bunker class
Ok in team fights
Bad roamer

I’m confused.

1) I haven’t lost a 1v1 yet, on close fights either someone from my team or their team shows up to stomp me or they pop their elite while mines still on CD from popping it in a team fight (it’s spirit of nature)

2) I don’t even build for bunker yet i can neutralize points, and sometimes even capture them out from underneath bunkers, as well as maintain the points i’m defending…

3) I do quite well in Team fights, then again they also tend to last long enough that i can get 2-3 Hyena Allys active, and the fact that i use spirits unlike most of the ranger community…

4) You clearly don’t know how to roam on a ranger if you think we’re bad at it…

Ppl gotta realize if they can’t play the ranger properly in 1v1 or other pvp situations to win, then you simply either don’t understand the concept and strategies of a ranger or it just doesn’t fit ur playing style and mindset. There are people as testified here who can play ranger WELL. I’ve talked to MANY other players of other classes and most testify also that they are afraid of rangers and that they’ve seen some crazy good ones around.

Good players. Of course there are not so great players but obviously for any class it’s the good players that will show whether you can be good with it in situations or not.

There are MANY strategies you can use with the ranger. I agree that is is an exceptionally versatile class.

I have not pvp much but I know in PvE my ranger and my skillsets shines. Warriors, thieves, guardians die around me where as I can make myself the last one standing. In dungeons I’m always last one standing. And my pets actually do fine. My burst dps is also apparently the same as a warrior when I use the same weapon, great sword and qz. + we are two units = two targets, and our skills has so much control, aoe and evasion. Not to mention if u throw in ur invulnerability tricks.

I know PvE sounds like its different but it can still testify to something that I personal have been using different builds and strategies, and out shining other classes. Some rangers just go pew pew on shortbow and send their standard bear pets in. I’ve seen many rangers that die quick. But even with this PvE example u know that there are players who can’t use the ranger class and complain about it but also players who use it to its full extent and versatility

It is the same in pvp. Maybe not the same builds and strategies but u have to know there are ppl other than you, who can use a ranger effectively.

just use some reasoning perhaps, there are bound to be better players than you, whether you want to admit it or not. just because you haven’t had luck with the ranger, doesn’t mean other people cant do it. it doesnt mean the whole class is limited so its impossible just because YOU can’t.

along with that, there’s ought to be players who are better than you at reaction, responding, dodging, evading, even if it wasn’t a ranger, they might do better than you with another class. don’t let your skill and your play style create an absolute in ur mind that the ranger is impossible.