Guild Wars 2

Substance E.4852:

KensaiZen.3740:

kidbs.8920:

KensaiZen.3740:

Don’t be stupid. It’s like saying Guardians shouts are rubbish because anyone outside of 900 range wont get buffed. same with every other class that does buffs.

Once again another troll reply.

facepalm No it’s not. Why do I even try with you? A guardian can run wherever he wants before he pops his shout and will live much longer than your uber pet. Not to mention Guardian shouts do more than one buff at a time.

If you want to control who gets your pet buffs then you’ll literally have to call your pet back and run to the area where you want the buff to be popped or settle on the fact that only people within melee range of the boss will be getting it (so much for your so-called 1500 range buff). In most of your videos you aren’t even using a pet that gives worthwhile buffs to begin with so why do you keep harping on the awesome support?

Any buffs that a pet may give is a nicety that can’t be counted on as true “support” since it’s not something to you can rely on (slow cast times, poor pet control, poor pet survivability, etc…).

Also, lulzy video. Keep posting the comedy gold for us.

Guardians run to within 900 of someone… what about the other people NOT in 900 range of that person? they will not get the buff.

you have melee and you have ranged. You can only buff 1 unless the ranged stays mid range. Completely missing the point of the pet buff mechanic.

Guardians Pets run to within 900 of someone… what about the other people NOT in 900 range of that person? they will not get the buff.

See what I did there.

If pets buffed people better than Guardians the entire min-max crowd would be all over that and we rangers would have 0 problems getting into groups but they don’t because the very idea is ridiculous.

And please stop raving about SaR. Unless you are pushing a point on an opposing side right before the tick, it will take less time to release and run back (for free mind you). Lying dead on the ground when time is not an issue is the sign of a bad player and one should not reward them for being bad.

Never mind you siting on top of a long cool down when you could be setting traps or using muddy for a mass immobilize/cripple.

Now heres the difference. The Ranger is still plinking away at the target whilst the pet is buffing. The guardian has to disengage, run, buff, engage. To maintain combat effectiveness.

I assume you are speaking of spvp when you say push a point. We already know trappers and BM are very powerful there. In WvW not having to drop and pick up people is amazingly powerful (not to mention you can also res aswell to make it even faster) in zerg vs zerg its all about momentum. If you can keep your zerg alive longer. The enemy zerg will collapse. This is why GC are so bad in zerg warfare. You drop. Well, there goes you amazing DPS.

The pet mechanic is PART of the class. You are comparing it to the entire class of a Guardian. Where is the logic?

Pet+ranger pet+ranger pet+ranger

Swagger.1459:

it’s not letting me edit!

also, you made a claim about godly ranged ranger dps but you keep saying stuff like “big numbers means everything?” and “oh this video is not about damage, it’s about how cool zerging rangers are blah blah”. show the live ranged dps numbers of each class then we can rate the godly order mr you know better then most of the ranger community.

It is godly but it does not have to mean BIG lol can you not see it? At which point in the game are you ALWAYS doing damage? Its like a condition build. Does it have high damage numbers? Hell no. Is it effective? Hell yes.

The ranger class provides godly damage. How? Because it is always doing damage. The numbers add up. Because it is using a ranged weapon there is no down time. Spirits are 1 minute fire and forget utilities. Signets passive have no cast time. Active VERY short cast time. Shouts are instant. Are you seeing the trend?

The only exception to the rule are traps which you are supposed to lay BEFORE the enemy comes.

Now, in the hands of a more skilled Ranger the equipment will be more GC. The numbers go higher.

KensaiZen.3740:

Swagger.1459:

it’s not letting me edit!

also, you made a claim about godly ranged ranger dps but you keep saying stuff like “big numbers means everything?” and “oh this video is not about damage, it’s about how cool zerging rangers are blah blah”. show the live ranged dps numbers of each class then we can rate the godly order mr you know better then most of the ranger community.

It is godly but it does not have to mean BIG lol can you not see it? At which point in the game are you ALWAYS doing damage? Its like a condition build. Does it have high damage numbers? Hell no. Is it effective? Hell yes.

The ranger class provides godly damage. How? Because it is always doing damage. The numbers add up. Because it is using a ranged weapon there is no down time. Spirits are 1 minute fire and forget utilities. Signets passive have no cast time. Active VERY short cast time. Shouts are instant. Are you seeing the trend?

The only exception to the rule are traps which you are supposed to lay BEFORE the enemy comes.

Now, in the hands of a more skilled Ranger the equipment will be more GC. The numbers go higher.

Um, didn’t think this needed to be said but here we go…

If you’re condition build isn’t getting big condition ping numbers then it is a very bad build and you are a very bad player for using it.

Is a person doing 5 damage a second over 20 seconds doing more damage than one doing 20 dps for 5 seconds and then 5 dps for the rest? No, of course not.

Utilities can not be killed and work indeterminate of your personal range to them. Spirits =/= utilities.

Other classes have shouts (shouts that actually benefit the whole party) and pretty much everyone has signet skills so I don’t even know what you are trying to prove with this one.

Guys and gals, ladies and gentlement, obviously KensaiZen is convinced that despite his own ineptitude, he knows exactly how good this is.

Despite overwhelming evidence, which he has provided, that he is wrong, he continues to argue his point of view.

He is the real troll here. Let’s just let this thread die so it can be forgotten in the back pages of the Ranger forum. I’m tired of his slew of misinformation on the front page and I’m sure he loves it.

@KensaiZen

You’re jumping in and out of a keep doing minimal stuff, while others do the work for you.

Let me show you what a good build looks like, that has more survivability than you, MUCH BETTER damage than you, and better utility too. Watch it twice, but on the second time, watch the boons.

KensaiZen.3740:

kidbs.8920:

KensaiZen.3740:

Don’t be stupid. It’s like saying Guardians shouts are rubbish because anyone outside of 900 range wont get buffed. same with every other class that does buffs.

Once again another troll reply.

facepalm No it’s not. Why do I even try with you? A guardian can run wherever he wants before he pops his shout and will live much longer than your uber pet. Not to mention Guardian shouts do more than one buff at a time.

If you want to control who gets your pet buffs then you’ll literally have to call your pet back and run to the area where you want the buff to be popped or settle on the fact that only people within melee range of the boss will be getting it (so much for your so-called 1500 range buff). In most of your videos you aren’t even using a pet that gives worthwhile buffs to begin with so why do you keep harping on the awesome support?

Any buffs that a pet may give is a nicety that can’t be counted on as true “support” since it’s not something to you can rely on (slow cast times, poor pet control, poor pet survivability, etc…).

Also, lulzy video. Keep posting the comedy gold for us.

Guardians run to within 900 of someone… what about the other people NOT in 900 range of that person? they will not get the buff.

you have melee and you have ranged. You can only buff 1 unless the ranged stays mid range. Completely missing the point of the pet buff mechanic.

The guardian can cut the distance in half if he needs to by switching to a ranged weapon for a moment. Your pet requires that you guide it to where it needs to be. You completely miss the point of everything and obviously how crappy the pet buffs really are.

KensaiZen.3740:

Substance E.4852:

KensaiZen.3740:

kidbs.8920:

KensaiZen.3740:

Don’t be stupid. It’s like saying Guardians shouts are rubbish because anyone outside of 900 range wont get buffed. same with every other class that does buffs.

Once again another troll reply.

facepalm No it’s not. Why do I even try with you? A guardian can run wherever he wants before he pops his shout and will live much longer than your uber pet. Not to mention Guardian shouts do more than one buff at a time.

If you want to control who gets your pet buffs then you’ll literally have to call your pet back and run to the area where you want the buff to be popped or settle on the fact that only people within melee range of the boss will be getting it (so much for your so-called 1500 range buff). In most of your videos you aren’t even using a pet that gives worthwhile buffs to begin with so why do you keep harping on the awesome support?

Any buffs that a pet may give is a nicety that can’t be counted on as true “support” since it’s not something to you can rely on (slow cast times, poor pet control, poor pet survivability, etc…).

Also, lulzy video. Keep posting the comedy gold for us.

Guardians run to within 900 of someone… what about the other people NOT in 900 range of that person? they will not get the buff.

you have melee and you have ranged. You can only buff 1 unless the ranged stays mid range. Completely missing the point of the pet buff mechanic.

Guardians Pets run to within 900 of someone… what about the other people NOT in 900 range of that person? they will not get the buff.

See what I did there.

If pets buffed people better than Guardians the entire min-max crowd would be all over that and we rangers would have 0 problems getting into groups but they don’t because the very idea is ridiculous.

And please stop raving about SaR. Unless you are pushing a point on an opposing side right before the tick, it will take less time to release and run back (for free mind you). Lying dead on the ground when time is not an issue is the sign of a bad player and one should not reward them for being bad.

Never mind you siting on top of a long cool down when you could be setting traps or using muddy for a mass immobilize/cripple.

Now heres the difference. The Ranger is still plinking away at the target whilst the pet is buffing. The guardian has to disengage, run, buff, engage. To maintain combat effectiveness.

I assume you are speaking of spvp when you say push a point. We already know trappers and BM are very powerful there. In WvW not having to drop and pick up people is amazingly powerful (not to mention you can also res aswell to make it even faster) in zerg vs zerg its all about momentum. If you can keep your zerg alive longer. The enemy zerg will collapse. This is why GC are so bad in zerg warfare. You drop. Well, there goes you amazing DPS.

The pet mechanic is PART of the class. You are comparing it to the entire class of a Guardian. Where is the logic?

Pet+ranger pet+ranger pet+ranger

You seem to have forgotten that guardians have scepters which work perfectly fine in dungeons so there is no downtime while they move where they want. Also GC is only bad if you’re a bad player. GC is perfectly viable in back line builds such as rangers provided you have at least some situational awareness.

kidbs.8920:

KensaiZen.3740:

Substance E.4852:

KensaiZen.3740:

kidbs.8920:

KensaiZen.3740:

Don’t be stupid. It’s like saying Guardians shouts are rubbish because anyone outside of 900 range wont get buffed. same with every other class that does buffs.

Once again another troll reply.

facepalm No it’s not. Why do I even try with you? A guardian can run wherever he wants before he pops his shout and will live much longer than your uber pet. Not to mention Guardian shouts do more than one buff at a time.

If you want to control who gets your pet buffs then you’ll literally have to call your pet back and run to the area where you want the buff to be popped or settle on the fact that only people within melee range of the boss will be getting it (so much for your so-called 1500 range buff). In most of your videos you aren’t even using a pet that gives worthwhile buffs to begin with so why do you keep harping on the awesome support?

Any buffs that a pet may give is a nicety that can’t be counted on as true “support” since it’s not something to you can rely on (slow cast times, poor pet control, poor pet survivability, etc…).

Also, lulzy video. Keep posting the comedy gold for us.

Guardians run to within 900 of someone… what about the other people NOT in 900 range of that person? they will not get the buff.

you have melee and you have ranged. You can only buff 1 unless the ranged stays mid range. Completely missing the point of the pet buff mechanic.

Guardians Pets run to within 900 of someone… what about the other people NOT in 900 range of that person? they will not get the buff.

See what I did there.

If pets buffed people better than Guardians the entire min-max crowd would be all over that and we rangers would have 0 problems getting into groups but they don’t because the very idea is ridiculous.

And please stop raving about SaR. Unless you are pushing a point on an opposing side right before the tick, it will take less time to release and run back (for free mind you). Lying dead on the ground when time is not an issue is the sign of a bad player and one should not reward them for being bad.

Never mind you siting on top of a long cool down when you could be setting traps or using muddy for a mass immobilize/cripple.

Now heres the difference. The Ranger is still plinking away at the target whilst the pet is buffing. The guardian has to disengage, run, buff, engage. To maintain combat effectiveness.

I assume you are speaking of spvp when you say push a point. We already know trappers and BM are very powerful there. In WvW not having to drop and pick up people is amazingly powerful (not to mention you can also res aswell to make it even faster) in zerg vs zerg its all about momentum. If you can keep your zerg alive longer. The enemy zerg will collapse. This is why GC are so bad in zerg warfare. You drop. Well, there goes you amazing DPS.

The pet mechanic is PART of the class. You are comparing it to the entire class of a Guardian. Where is the logic?

Pet+ranger pet+ranger pet+ranger

You seem to have forgotten that guardians have scepters which work perfectly fine in dungeons so there is no downtime while they move where they want. Also GC is only bad if you’re a bad player. GC is perfectly viable in back line builds such as rangers provided you have at least some situational awareness.

I myself have no problem staying alive on GC ranger, even at fotm 30+. Agreed.

i was talking WvW seeing as the video was done in WvW. Got to love you trolls.

How about each one of you do a video of your skills in WvW for all of us noobs to be amazed at. Maybe then i will know where i am going wrong

KensaiZen.3740:

i was talking WvW seeing as the video was done in WvW. Got to love you trolls.

How about each one of you do a video of your skills in WvW for all of us noobs to be amazed at. Maybe then i will know where i am going wrong

You seem a little angry. Take into account he said back-line. back line fotm, back line WvW, same diff.

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

i was talking WvW seeing as the video was done in WvW. Got to love you trolls.

How about each one of you do a video of your skills in WvW for all of us noobs to be amazed at. Maybe then i will know where i am going wrong

You seem a little angry. Take into account he said back-line. back line fotm, back line WvW, same diff.

It’s really not. When I run ranger in WvW I almost always get targeted first by skirmishers that run to the back line because they know most rangers are glass and will be downed in seconds. When they discover I don’t run glass in WvW and they can’t down me in a single combo (which they can to most glass rangers) they usually end up dead. A lot of thieves will try this because hey know they can do it safely because of stealth. The back line in a PvE scenario is almost never going to be the same as one in a PvP scenario.

Shiren.9532:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

i was talking WvW seeing as the video was done in WvW. Got to love you trolls.

How about each one of you do a video of your skills in WvW for all of us noobs to be amazed at. Maybe then i will know where i am going wrong

You seem a little angry. Take into account he said back-line. back line fotm, back line WvW, same diff.

It’s really not. When I run ranger in WvW I almost always get targeted first by skirmishers that run to the back line because they know most rangers are glass and will be downed in seconds. When they discover I don’t run glass in WvW and they can’t down me in a single combo (which they can to most glass rangers) they usually end up dead. A lot of thieves will try this because hey know they can do it safely because of stealth. The back line in a PvE scenario is almost never going to be the same as one in a PvP scenario.

Welp,. I dont have issue with either, I’m generally pretty aware in a wvw situation. Yes there are those people, just watch for them and move. I’m not going to just stand there and pew pew :/ Yeh they are different but I die about the same in either situation.

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

i was talking WvW seeing as the video was done in WvW. Got to love you trolls.

How about each one of you do a video of your skills in WvW for all of us noobs to be amazed at. Maybe then i will know where i am going wrong

You seem a little angry. Take into account he said back-line. back line fotm, back line WvW, same diff.

Not angry at all. I am taking into consideration that perhaps what you guys say is actually true. I would like to see video of your amazing skills and see where i have gone wrong.

Actually just tried this out in sPvP today to test for effective damage. I can see why everyone thinks Rangers are so crap. People who play glassy Rangers are terrible. I think I did pretty well as a noob Ranger. Can kill every other class except for mesmer. Just not used to fighting one as a Ranger.

So, as I have produced crappy videos showing my lack of skill with this class, I would love to see all the amazing skills that I am apparently lacking in flow. Perhaps I will see why you guys think the way you do.

This will be interesting

jkctmc.8754:

@KensaiZen

You’re jumping in and out of a keep doing minimal stuff, while others do the work for you.

Let me show you what a good build looks like, that has more survivability than you, MUCH BETTER damage than you, and better utility too. Watch it twice, but on the second time, watch the boons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyUDtmWhzw8

oh no doubt Kai is very good. We already know that the warrior does much higher damage. What is your point? Damage and high vitality is what warriors specialise in. Whats your point? Also notice he is running with his own guild group who have been playing with each other for a very long time and are very well coordinated.

Lets see some of your WvW videos. I would love to see how amazing you are with the Ranger. Actually with all your classes.

I have been using the Dual Bow beastmaster build with great effect in dungeons , even if my pet dies , because on constant weapon swapping i can maintain a permanent 6 might alone . Add to that the Roar from the Jungle stalker and it goes over 10 permanent might

Considering that the build is not a glass cannon , i maintain one of the highest constant damage in the group . And i can buff with healspring for regeneration and vigor , or revive allies with Nature spirit .

I would say i have found an exelent PvE build .

Chokolata.1870:

I have been using the Dual Bow beastmaster build with great effect in dungeons , even if my pet dies , because on constant weapon swapping i can maintain a permanent 6 might alone . Add to that the Roar from the Jungle stalker and it goes over 10 permanent might

Considering that the build is not a glass cannon , i maintain one of the highest constant damage in the group . And i can buff with healspring for regeneration and vigor , or revive allies with Nature spirit .

I would say i have found an exelent PvE build .

Nonsense, no such thing exists on the Ranger lol if your not producing big numbers, you are a failure. Am I right?

Heh , i do however understand that the ranger is harder to play in high level content then the 222222 mashing thief or random button mashing elementalist . There is no doubt in my mind that both of those classes need significant nerfs in some areas , with buffs in others .

At least when the warrior builds an assasin type build (called GC in this game ) u actually see him coming and if he messes up, he cant run away . Thiefs can mess up any number of times and still just run away . There is absolutely no downside to playing a GC thief , unless you are stupid enough to stand in a double condition field lol

KensaiZen.3740:

oh no doubt Kai is very good. We already know that the warrior does much higher damage. What is your point? Damage and high vitality is what warriors specialise in. Whats your point? Also notice he is running with his own guild group who have been playing with each other for a very long time and are very well coordinated.

Lets see some of your WvW videos. I would love to see how amazing you are with the Ranger. Actually with all your classes.

Hey just wondering, does GW2 have an inbuilt recording system or what program do people normally use to record with?

KensaiZen.3740:

jkctmc.8754:

@KensaiZen

You’re jumping in and out of a keep doing minimal stuff, while others do the work for you.

Let me show you what a good build looks like, that has more survivability than you, MUCH BETTER damage than you, and better utility too. Watch it twice, but on the second time, watch the boons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyUDtmWhzw8

oh no doubt Kai is very good. We already know that the warrior does much higher damage. What is your point? Damage and high vitality is what warriors specialise in. Whats your point? Also notice he is running with his own guild group who have been playing with each other for a very long time and are very well coordinated.

Lets see some of your WvW videos. I would love to see how amazing you are with the Ranger. Actually with all your classes.

You couldn’t show me a SINGLE video of a group with a Ranger in it, being able to do that because none exist, and no one has been able to make a group work that effectively with a Ranger in it because adding a Ranger seriously hurts the groups composition. There are dozens of videos of groups with the better classes taking on insane odds, but none with a Ranger in it. There is a reason for that.

The simple fact YOU can not recognize that speaks volumes. I bet you honestly believe everyone just sucks at playing the Ranger, but some how become gods when they play the other classes. Somehow I don’t think hundreds of thousands of people forget how to play the game, the second they log into their Ranger.

KensaiZen.3740:

i was talking WvW seeing as the video was done in WvW. Got to love you trolls.

How about each one of you do a video of your skills in WvW for all of us noobs to be amazed at. Maybe then i will know where i am going wrong

I was talking about all aspects of the game, so keep the title of troll for yourself. I play a glass cannon necro and a little less glassy ranger in WvW (but still stacking more power/crit/crit damage than you obviously are) and I have absolutely no problems surviving while actually killing and raking in the loot bags from dead players.

Shiren.9532:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

i was talking WvW seeing as the video was done in WvW. Got to love you trolls.

How about each one of you do a video of your skills in WvW for all of us noobs to be amazed at. Maybe then i will know where i am going wrong

You seem a little angry. Take into account he said back-line. back line fotm, back line WvW, same diff.

It’s really not. When I run ranger in WvW I almost always get targeted first by skirmishers that run to the back line because they know most rangers are glass and will be downed in seconds. When they discover I don’t run glass in WvW and they can’t down me in a single combo (which they can to most glass rangers) they usually end up dead. A lot of thieves will try this because hey know they can do it safely because of stealth. The back line in a PvE scenario is almost never going to be the same as one in a PvP scenario.

That’s where the situational awareness comes into play. You don’t just stand in one spot when fighting in a zerg encounter, you have to constantly reposition yourself to maintain distance. If there is one “godly” thing that rangers do have it’s the ability to move quickly around the battlefield. I personally use a greatsword for this.

I also play on a tier 1 server that is highly coordinated in teamspeak so our groups know where to move.

Again, let’s stop this thread guys. It’s KensaiZen disagreeing with anything that isn’t someone agreeing with him … i.e. KensaiZen disagreeing with everything/everyone.

Kensai, it’s not about damage. It’s about having an impact through boon application, crowd control, heals, damage, etc.. Your video shows you providing nothing but out of combat rezzing with your pet while you stand at a safe distance, horrible direct damage from your longbow, and you not even knowing how to make use of spirits in WvW.

The only troll here is KensaiZen. Let’s ignore him

Sebrent.3625:

Again, let’s stop this thread guys. It’s KensaiZen disagreeing with anything that isn’t someone agreeing with him … i.e. KensaiZen disagreeing with everything/everyone.

Kensai, it’s not about damage. It’s about having an impact through boon application, crowd control, heals, damage, etc.. Your video shows you providing nothing but out of combat rezzing with your pet while you stand at a safe distance, horrible direct damage from your longbow, and you not even knowing how to make use of spirits in WvW.

The only troll here is KensaiZen. Let’s ignore him

Yes, well I’m sort of torn you see.
He writhes like a cut snake everytime someone questions him. I’m not sure if he’s a troll or just genuinely fanatic about the class to the point of delusion.

According to him, we are the trolls… and well, it rather intrigues me.

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

i was talking WvW seeing as the video was done in WvW. Got to love you trolls.

How about each one of you do a video of your skills in WvW for all of us noobs to be amazed at. Maybe then i will know where i am going wrong

You seem a little angry. Take into account he said back-line. back line fotm, back line WvW, same diff.

Not angry at all. I am taking into consideration that perhaps what you guys say is actually true. I would like to see video of your amazing skills and see where i have gone wrong.

Actually just tried this out in sPvP today to test for effective damage. I can see why everyone thinks Rangers are so crap. People who play glassy Rangers are terrible. I think I did pretty well as a noob Ranger. Can kill every other class except for mesmer. Just not used to fighting one as a Ranger.

So, as I have produced crappy videos showing my lack of skill with this class, I would love to see all the amazing skills that I am apparently lacking in flow. Perhaps I will see why you guys think the way you do.

This will be interesting

all those smiley faces seem pretty passive aggressive, just sayin.

Show me some videos pls

Video of what? I’m not the one here making the insane claims.

Please refrain from being so angry at me.

Video to show how a Ranger “should” be played. Obviously you guys are the pro experienced Rangers. I would like to see where i was going wrong.

Im far from being angry. Just giving an oppurtunity to look at it from another perspective.

iitwinz.1420:

KensaiZen.3740:

oh no doubt Kai is very good. We already know that the warrior does much higher damage. What is your point? Damage and high vitality is what warriors specialise in. Whats your point? Also notice he is running with his own guild group who have been playing with each other for a very long time and are very well coordinated.

Lets see some of your WvW videos. I would love to see how amazing you are with the Ranger. Actually with all your classes.

Hey just wondering, does GW2 have an inbuilt recording system or what program do people normally use to record with?

I use a software called Bandicam. Its free and the fps is decent.

So where are these pro videos? Lots to say and nothing to show?

I think we found whats wrong with this community.

I think you should stop resurrecting your post. But that’s just me.

KensaiZen.3740:

So where are these pro videos? Lots to say and nothing to show?

I think we found whats wrong with this community.

Where is the single video with a Ranger in the group, killing 30-50 people, since there are dozens of the better classes doing it? You havn’t provided anything of substance, just the worst videos ever, and calling it evidence of some make believe scenario.

FYI trap ranger is the only build that can fight to warrior, guardian and a Dagger user thief. Weakness of this build is mesmmer, elem, enginer,necro and a thief pistol user
Look on this video how ranger using a full effort just to win the fight
Look the food ranger have two food the guardian only have 1 food but the ranger almost dying! So dont say rangers are OP!
The real OP are thief and mesmer! Thanks!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtBzd7vNSIA&feature=plcp

And when i reading a forum i saw a comment that makes me fall in my chair. Lol
I saw a thief user comment like this:

They are basically invulnerable to anything that isn’t a thief as it is and only them because they can sneak in. I’m tired of getting knocked back as soon as I get close only to have to eat 10000 arrows to get close again. Even IF I do manage to get close again, I get the liberty to eat 50 traps that stack insane conditions. I can’t even see them on the ground so I can’t possibly know how to avoid them.
They’re just blatantly op right now so I they need to be nerfed.

Wow men you saying that you dont know how to avoid trap because you can’t see the trap. Wow hope thief ask this 1st. How people can avoid me if they don’t see me!

Jan, that person complaining wasn’t a thief, he said that trapper rangers are invulnerable to anything BUT a thief. The guy complaining probably was a warrior, and to them everything is OP, because they need some serious buffs.

KensaiZen.3740:

So where are these pro videos? Lots to say and nothing to show?

I think we found whats wrong with this community.

lol.

You make the claims. You can’t back them up with video evidence. Then you go off at anyone who questions you and you tell them to disprove your silly arguments with evidence. Oh the irony.

Firstly, who claimed they were a pro ranger?
Secondly. Still waiting on that ‘godly’ ranged DPS video of yours.
Thirdly, if people don’t respond to you, it doest automatically = you’re right.

People just want this thread to die because it is not constructive. You have no basis to any of your outlandish claims and this thread has become an embarrassment to the ranger community.

jan.9745:

And when i reading a forum i saw a comment that makes me fall in my chair. Lol

AlexRD.7914:

Jan, that person complaining wasn’t a thief, he said that trapper rangers are invulnerable to anything BUT a thief. The guy complaining probably was a warrior, and to them everything is OP, because they need some serious buffs.

If you read one post down from the one Jan copied:

randomfightfan.4091:

Now imagine if 50 of these popped up every day in here. People not knowing how to fight you so they lobby for nerfs instead of learning to counter certain builds. That’s what life is like in the thief forum.

He’s basically complaining about all the people complaining about Thieves in the Thief forum. He’s trying to show us (Rangers) what it’s like to be QQed at in 50 threads a day, and how ridiculous the QQer’s claims are by imitating one towards Rangers from the perspective of another class (Thieves in this case).

jkctmc.8754:

@KensaiZen

You’re jumping in and out of a keep doing minimal stuff, while others do the work for you.

Let me show you what a good build looks like, that has more survivability than you, MUCH BETTER damage than you, and better utility too. Watch it twice, but on the second time, watch the boons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyUDtmWhzw8

This, more or less, illustrates the strength of boons and how powerful a Warrior can be when backed by support.

-He has 1 shout so his main source of condition removal is mending, his team and whenever he wants to swap in SiO.
-He’s got limited team support, really only some cripple and some might/fury from FGJ.
-His utility is all long CD self sustain on a short duration.

So the build you’re comparing basically needs a guardian because the hallmark of that warrior’s effectiveness hinges on stability, protection and condition removal, most of which is granted from allies. Not dogging on the build, it’s a good team make-up, balanced and can likely take on huge numbers, but that build itself isn’t anything special. I’m sure Warriors love the fact they are great….when strapped to a team and little where else.

Leo G.4501:

I’m sure Warriors love the fact they are great….when strapped to a team and little where else.

Rangers would love it, if they could get that good, when strapped to a team, but they do not. That is the underlying issue with a Ranger. They don’t get any better than they are in a 1v1 situation, and could never pull off stuff like in that video.

You would think with hundreds of thousands of players playing this game, easily tens of thousands of Rangers out there; there would be at least one video showcasing a group with a Ranger in it, doing this, considering there are dozens with Warriors, Guardians, Elementalists, Thieves, and even Necromancers (awesome WvW fields). The best any Ranger can do is say, look at us killing some novices in a one vs one. All the while the better classes are killing a lot of people, against some insane odds.

When I go from my Ranger to my other 6 classes, it is like; I all of a sudden become this WvW god, yet when I get on my Ranger, I all of a sudden forget how to play this game.

jkctmc.8754:

You would think with hundreds of thousands of players playing this game, easily tens of thousands of Rangers out there; there would be at least one video showcasing a group with a Ranger in it, doing this, considering there are dozens with Warriors, Guardians, Elementalists, Thieves, and even Necromancers (awesome WvW fields). The best any Ranger can do is say, look at us killing some novices in a one vs one. All the while the better classes are killing a lot of people, against some insane odds.

I’d agree with you, some of the antics Mesmers and Elementalists can pull of is insane…but Warrior is a whole other kettle of fish you’re talking about.

And your qualms with WvW seem to steam more from the nature of WvW. Not sure why some PvPers don’t consider WvW to be PvP but anyone can log into WvW and kill a whole bunch of guys. They just need a zerg and some AoE. Profit.

…or maybe the warriors on that profession board don’t know what they’re talking about with the whole low skill ceiling and no sustain and whatever. I will say though, that Warrior utilities for survival are one and a half steps away from being garbage and don’t hold a candle to some simple boons.

Leo G.4501:

jkctmc.8754:

You would think with hundreds of thousands of players playing this game, easily tens of thousands of Rangers out there; there would be at least one video showcasing a group with a Ranger in it, doing this, considering there are dozens with Warriors, Guardians, Elementalists, Thieves, and even Necromancers (awesome WvW fields). The best any Ranger can do is say, look at us killing some novices in a one vs one. All the while the better classes are killing a lot of people, against some insane odds.

And your qualms with WvW seem to steam more from the nature of WvW. Not sure why some PvPers don’t consider WvW to be PvP but anyone can log into WvW and kill a whole bunch of guys. They just need a zerg and some AoE. Profit.

lol.. Not everyone can run a group of five, and kill four, to eight times their number.

lol.. Not everyone can run a group of five, and kill four, to eight times their number.Zerg vs Zerg is PvP, just not my cup of tea, and sPvP is the most boring form of PvP, I’ve ever seen in all the games I’ve played since 1995.

lol.. Not everyone can run a group of five, and kill four, to eight times their number.Zerg vs Zerg is PvP, just not my cup of tea, and sPvP is the most boring form of PvP, I’ve ever seen in all the games I’ve played since 1995.

Lol not everyone wants to be tied to a Guardian. I guess you missed that part in the video where the Engineer pretty much had him dead in the span of a second. Had the Guardian not swooped in, that video would probably be a lot shorter.

Lol I guess you don’t care that some players like to be self sufficient and wish everyone just ran around with all boons?

Ok moving on from my wild claims There seems to be so many pro’s on the Ranger forum who knows how to do it right. Can we get some videos to see their amazing skills?

Not actually seen anything but pretty words Shouldn’t be too hard right. I mean, what do you have to compare with? my nooby videos. Can’t get any worse ^_-

i’m not a pro but would someone seriously would like to see me hit&run a high level champion troll (actually meaning a mob, not a player :P) for 15 minutes?
i mean i don’t have any choice…my server’s so empty in alot of areas (tho it’s “very high” populated..) and i wanna to do events.

or should i start recording every dungeon run to prove that i’m always the last one who dies? (i mean of course, with 1500 range, usual dodge + 1HS dodge + lightning reflexes-dodge which buffs my endurance regeneration and also removes stun and the ability to let my pet heal myself ALOT when downed…)

well, my primary function is to support (neverending fury with redmoa+horn) and as long as i’m alive i can support and help downed mates. being able to stack 6 might (7 for me) for the party does increase the overall damage also quite a bit.

…still getting torn apart within less then a second by ascalonian gravelings. -_-’

can’t say much about how good i am against other players tho…not played enough WvW or sPvP yet to can tell…i mean i own quite alot when i do, but that could just be, cuz i’ve met newbs…i mean i’ve slayed a warriors in sPvP in a few seconds…that’s just not right.

i’m just an average player who found his “rythm” with his favorite class.
still dying and failing enough times…man, after 7months, i’m not even geared up yet…still having yellows and greens equipped. now that’s not casual anymore…that’s lazy

wauwi.9162:

i’m not a pro but would someone seriously would like to see me hit&run a high level champion troll (actually meaning a mob, not a player :P) for 15 minutes?
i mean i don’t have any choice…my server’s so empty in alot of areas (tho it’s “very high” populated..) and i wanna to do events.

or should i start recording every dungeon run to prove that i’m always the last one who dies? (i mean of course, with 1500 range, usual dodge + 1HS dodge + lightning reflexes-dodge which buffs my endurance regeneration and also removes stun and the ability to let my pet heal myself ALOT when downed…)

well, my primary function is to support (neverending fury with redmoa+horn) and as long as i’m alive i can support and help downed mates. being able to stack 6 might (7 for me) for the party does increase the overall damage also quite a bit.

…still getting torn apart within less then a second by ascalonian gravelings. -_-’

can’t say much about how good i am against other players tho…not played enough WvW or sPvP yet to can tell…i mean i own quite alot when i do, but that could just be, cuz i’ve met newbs…i mean i’ve slayed a warriors in sPvP in a few seconds…that’s just not right.

i’m just an average player who found his “rythm” with his favorite class.
still dying and failing enough times…man, after 7months, i’m not even geared up yet…still having yellows and greens equipped. now that’s not casual anymore…that’s lazy

Honestly i wouldnt mind. At least it will show active strategies and tactics in live situations instead of comparing numbers and stats on paper.

Not everything will work for everyone. It would be good to see someone make something work and see how they make it work.

Better to breed a new generation of “can do” Rangers then an army of “omfg we suck” failures.

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

KensaiZen.3740:

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Always trying to turn it around to distract from the fact that you’ve got nothing eh kensai. Nice try.

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Always trying to turn it around to distract from the fact that you’ve got nothing eh kensai. Nice try.

Havent seen anything from you either

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Always trying to turn it around to distract from the fact that you’ve got nothing eh kensai. Nice try.

Havent seen anything from you either

That would be because I’m not the one making the crazy claims see how this works yet?

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Always trying to turn it around to distract from the fact that you’ve got nothing eh kensai. Nice try.

Havent seen anything from you either

That would be because I’m not the one making the crazy claims see how this works yet?

No, but you are claiming how i play is the “wrong” way to do it. I would love to see the “right” way. So you must be somekind of pro with amazing skills right? Why don’t you show us? I am sure the ranger community would love to see the effects of all the number crunching in a “live” situation.

Everything looks good on paper.

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Always trying to turn it around to distract from the fact that you’ve got nothing eh kensai. Nice try.

Havent seen anything from you either

That would be because I’m not the one making the crazy claims see how this works yet?

No, but you are claiming how i play is the “wrong” way to do it. I would love to see the “right” way. So you must be somekind of pro with amazing skills right? Why don’t you show us? I am sure the ranger community would love to see the effects of all the number crunching in a “live” situation.

Everything looks good on paper.

Where did I claim how you play is wrong?

It’s almost as if you invent something out of nothing just to distract from your poor arguments.

Here is what was said:

Makes thread about godly ranger DPS…
Can’t prove it, makes video about keeping pets alive in easy dungeon…
At the same time shows god-awful DPS and doesn’t even use healing spring whilst wearing magic find runes.
Calls anyone who questions him a troll.

I Never said it was the wrong way to play but it sure doesn’t give your poor arguments any credit when you make a video that has nothing to do with your original post and actually contradicts your OP because the damage was poor and you couldn’t even account for it with group utility because you wouldn’t touch healing spring.

Is this the wrong way to play? I never said so, but maybe you realised it was all by yourself, so good job on your part!

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Always trying to turn it around to distract from the fact that you’ve got nothing eh kensai. Nice try.

Havent seen anything from you either

That would be because I’m not the one making the crazy claims see how this works yet?

No, but you are claiming how i play is the “wrong” way to do it. I would love to see the “right” way. So you must be somekind of pro with amazing skills right? Why don’t you show us? I am sure the ranger community would love to see the effects of all the number crunching in a “live” situation.

Everything looks good on paper.

Where did I claim how you play is wrong?

It’s almost as if you invent something out of nothing just to distract from your poor arguments.

Here is what was said:

Makes thread about godly ranger DPS…
Can’t prove it, makes video about keeping pets alive in easy dungeon…
At the same time shows god-awful DPS and doesn’t even use healing spring whilst wearing magic find runes.
Calls anyone who questions him a troll.

I Never said it was the wrong way to play but it sure doesn’t give your poor arguments any credit when you make a video that has nothing to do with your original post and actually contradicts your OP because the damage was poor and you couldn’t even account for it with group utility because you wouldn’t touch healing spring.

Is this the wrong way to play? I never said so, but maybe you realised it was all by yourself, so good job on your part!

You seem to forget. There was another video for hotw which had better damage and STILK kept the pet alive. The gear was irrelevant as it proved it can be done with the crappest gear i had. Wanting to see really high damage on a downscaled dungeon is trolling as the damage would scale down. Who says that you have to have healing spring? Perhaps this is why none of you can keep your pets aluve. You are not using the skills provided to do it and claim it broken.

You trolls are hilarious.

My oppinions seem ti be obselete because i am a noob Ranger. I would love to see what you “pro” Rangers can do. I provide videos when asked. Funny how none of you can. Troll? I would think so.

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Always trying to turn it around to distract from the fact that you’ve got nothing eh kensai. Nice try.

Havent seen anything from you either

That would be because I’m not the one making the crazy claims see how this works yet?

No, but you are claiming how i play is the “wrong” way to do it. I would love to see the “right” way. So you must be somekind of pro with amazing skills right? Why don’t you show us? I am sure the ranger community would love to see the effects of all the number crunching in a “live” situation.

Everything looks good on paper.

Where did I claim how you play is wrong?

It’s almost as if you invent something out of nothing just to distract from your poor arguments.

Here is what was said:

Makes thread about godly ranger DPS…
Can’t prove it, makes video about keeping pets alive in easy dungeon…
At the same time shows god-awful DPS and doesn’t even use healing spring whilst wearing magic find runes.
Calls anyone who questions him a troll.

I Never said it was the wrong way to play but it sure doesn’t give your poor arguments any credit when you make a video that has nothing to do with your original post and actually contradicts your OP because the damage was poor and you couldn’t even account for it with group utility because you wouldn’t touch healing spring.

Is this the wrong way to play? I never said so, but maybe you realised it was all by yourself, so good job on your part!

You seem to forget. There was another video for hotw which had better damage and STILK kept the pet alive. The gear was irrelevant as it proved it can be done with the crappest gear i had. Wanting to see really high damage on a downscaled dungeon is trolling as the damage would scale down. Who says that you have to have healing spring? Perhaps this is why none of you can keep your pets aluve. You are not using the skills provided to do it and claim it broken.

You trolls are hilarious.

My oppinions seem ti be obselete because i am a noob Ranger. I would love to see what you “pro” Rangers can do. I provide videos when asked. Funny how none of you can. Troll? I would think so.

/facepalm

No one is claiming they are a ‘pro ranger.’
It’s best you stop deluding yourself.
Once again, why even post the hotw video if it has nothing to do with your OP about ‘godly ranged DPS.’

Your lack of healing spring is an observation because you were providing poor dps for the team regardless of whether your pet was alive and so, one would expect you to at least provide for them in another way (aka healing spring). Once again though, this is all just another distraction from your embarrassment of an OP.

Your ‘opinions’ are obsolete because you cannot prove them. This has nothing to do with how good you or anyone else thinks you are.

This thread is a joke until you can prove your claims and you don’t seem to be able to, instead you just want to distract from the point because you don’t want to admit that you cant prove it and thus you shouldn’t be taken any more seriously than someone who says they see pigs flying.

’You’re a troll! you’re accusing me of being bad wah wah wah.’

Nothing I say will sway you though, so do carry on making an embarrassment of the ranger class. It’s not my loss.