dear kensaizen,
what is the max ranged dps output of each profession?
where are your wvw videos that will put all the ranger qq to rest?
love,
meGo and test it and find out. You wont believe me anyway
‘I don’t know, and I’m not going to find out. And if I did know, I wouldn’t tell you. Why don’t you do it instead, even though I’m the one making the outlandish claims.’- translated for ya.
Never claimed i knew what the exact MAX damage of the other classes are. Potential damage means squat to me. They are just pretty numbers. No one hits max damage 100%.
Effective damage range is where the real damage is at. How to test effective damage? Test it in live situations. Do you kill faster do you kill slower etc match time against damage in a live situation.
Viable builds also need to be factored in. No one runs GC in WvW. So going by GC numbers means nothing in that part of the game. Get it?
Hitting dummies to calculate is great if you are fighting dummies. Doesnt give you the true number when other factors arent considered.
no 2 person would even be equipt the same. What good would giving floating numbers do?
Lets say Ranger does 2.5dps and a guardian does 3dps. Which one does more damage? Guardian right? But the guardians dps rate drops due to utility casting (if not shout based) also they need to move from target to target. Mobs dont always stay still. This creates downtine. Dps must factor in downtine to get the true effective number.
Utilities with long cast times are a prime offender.
There are very few skills (traps in general) that will stop a Ranger shooting. Even ressing with pet the Ranger is still shooting.
Do your own test and think about it. Rangers damage really isnt as bad as it seems.
Once again.
‘Do your own test because I’m not going to, I’m just going to make hairy claims with no proof and then tell other people to test it.’
You haven’t been very convincing in your arguments this entire thread. I don’t think it’s uncalled for, for people to ask you to back up your claims with some hard evidence.
And once again you entirely miss the point. The numbers i generate would mean nothing to another ranger since build and playstyle is factored in. Idiots who chase a fantasy potential damage figure will not reach those figures in live situations.
Do you even know how many variables there are to test? I dont have 3 months to do nothing but record numbers.
dear kensaizen,
what is the max ranged dps output of each profession?
where are your wvw videos that will put all the ranger qq to rest?
love,
meGo and test it and find out. You wont believe me anyway
‘I don’t know, and I’m not going to find out. And if I did know, I wouldn’t tell you. Why don’t you do it instead, even though I’m the one making the outlandish claims.’- translated for ya.
Never claimed i knew what the exact MAX damage of the other classes are. Potential damage means squat to me. They are just pretty numbers. No one hits max damage 100%.
Effective damage range is where the real damage is at. How to test effective damage? Test it in live situations. Do you kill faster do you kill slower etc match time against damage in a live situation.
Viable builds also need to be factored in. No one runs GC in WvW. So going by GC numbers means nothing in that part of the game. Get it?
Hitting dummies to calculate is great if you are fighting dummies. Doesnt give you the true number when other factors arent considered.
no 2 person would even be equipt the same. What good would giving floating numbers do?
Lets say Ranger does 2.5dps and a guardian does 3dps. Which one does more damage? Guardian right? But the guardians dps rate drops due to utility casting (if not shout based) also they need to move from target to target. Mobs dont always stay still. This creates downtine. Dps must factor in downtine to get the true effective number.
Utilities with long cast times are a prime offender.
There are very few skills (traps in general) that will stop a Ranger shooting. Even ressing with pet the Ranger is still shooting.
Do your own test and think about it. Rangers damage really isnt as bad as it seems.
Once again.
‘Do your own test because I’m not going to, I’m just going to make hairy claims with no proof and then tell other people to test it.’
You haven’t been very convincing in your arguments this entire thread. I don’t think it’s uncalled for, for people to ask you to back up your claims with some hard evidence.
And once again you entirely miss the point. The numbers i generate would mean nothing to another ranger since build and playstyle is factored in. Idiots who chase a fantasy potential damage figure will not reach those figures in live situations.
Do you even know how many variables there are to test? I dont have 3 months to do nothing but record numbers.
Oh good because neither do I!
Just because you cannot ( or cannot be bothered to) prove something, does not somehow then lead to it being true. You cant just make all these claims, then when asked on what basis just say ‘well I don’t have numbers but my feelings say it’s probably true!’ or ‘Hey, it’s all about the playstyle guys, numbers don’t mean squat!’
You see it’s better that when you don’t have the evidence to back you up, to at least remain impartial and admit you don’t know. Instead you take the emotional route of saying ‘well I love ranger and I play it and my play style is good and so therefore the dps is godly and fine, and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot or a leetist warriors only scumbag.. Oh and anyone I don’t agree with just misses my super amazing and elusive point that only me and a handful of select people who also are emotionally attached to their rangers will ever be smart enough to understand.’
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no you can’t understand simple concepts. you say ranger is godly at range so you must know max potential ranged dps for all profession in a live environment.
tisk tisk, you keep dodging my wvw question.
so…
what is the max ranged dps output of each profession?
where are your wvw videos that will put all the ranger qq to rest?
Godly at range does not mean DPS only. We’ve covered this already.
Oh right silly me. Keep forgetting im being trolled
no you can’t understand simple concepts. you say ranger is godly at range so you must know max potential ranged dps for all profession in a live environment.
tisk tisk, you keep dodging my wvw question.
so…
what is the max ranged dps output of each profession?
where are your wvw videos that will put all the ranger qq to rest?
Godly at range does not mean DPS only. We’ve covered this already.
Oh right silly me. Keep forgetting im being trolled
Oh yeh, we forgot about all that amazing utility value a ranger brings scoff XD
Yes, many types of boons and CC skills at 1500 range or more (havent checked how far away pets can actually go yet) not to mention actually being able to res DEAD people NOT DOWNED at range.
Got to love trolls with selective memory
Yes, many types of boons and CC skills at 1500 range or more (havent checked how far away pets can actually go yet) not to mention actually being able to res DEAD people NOT DOWNED at range.
Got to love trolls with selective memory
You tend to have very selective memory on my previous posts about how even a warrior (which you claim has poor support) has better group affecting utility than a ranger.
Oh and yes, anyone who disagrees with you is a troll. My bad, forgot about that.
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no you can’t understand simple concepts. you say ranger is godly at range so you must know max potential ranged dps for all profession in a live environment.
tisk tisk, you keep dodging my wvw question.
so…
what is the max ranged dps output of each profession?
where are your wvw videos that will put all the ranger qq to rest?
Godly at range does not mean DPS only. We’ve covered this already.
Oh right silly me. Keep forgetting im being trolled
Now here is the thing that has been bugging me. People who test damage on dummies and calculate the DPS output of the class and compare it against another class. This is not actually accurate and the result will not actually show you the DPS of te class in a “Live” situation
Even in WvW I don’t know why people QQ about the Ranger. Even against thieves we have utilities that allow us to have the advantage (protect me and SoS means thier bursts do no damage to you) The only down side I see is people speccing as a glass cannon then moan when they die so easily.
what is the max ranged dps output of each profession?
where are your wvw videos that will put all the ranger qq to rest?
no you can’t understand simple concepts. you say ranger is godly at range so you must know max potential ranged dps for all profession in a live environment.
tisk tisk, you keep dodging my wvw question.
so…
what is the max ranged dps output of each profession?
where are your wvw videos that will put all the ranger qq to rest?
Godly at range does not mean DPS only. We’ve covered this already.
Oh right silly me. Keep forgetting im being trolled
Now here is the thing that has been bugging me. People who test damage on dummies and calculate the DPS output of the class and compare it against another class. This is not actually accurate and the result will not actually show you the DPS of te class in a “Live” situation
Even in WvW I don’t know why people QQ about the Ranger. Even against thieves we have utilities that allow us to have the advantage (protect me and SoS means thier bursts do no damage to you) The only down side I see is people speccing as a glass cannon then moan when they die so easily.
what is the max ranged dps output of each profession?
where are your wvw videos that will put all the ranger qq to rest?
Being uploaded, troll
no you can’t understand simple concepts. you say ranger is godly at range so you must know max potential ranged dps for all profession in a live environment.
tisk tisk, you keep dodging my wvw question.
so…
what is the max ranged dps output of each profession?
where are your wvw videos that will put all the ranger qq to rest?
Godly at range does not mean DPS only. We’ve covered this already.
Oh right silly me. Keep forgetting im being trolled
Now here is the thing that has been bugging me. People who test damage on dummies and calculate the DPS output of the class and compare it against another class. This is not actually accurate and the result will not actually show you the DPS of te class in a “Live” situation
Even in WvW I don’t know why people QQ about the Ranger. Even against thieves we have utilities that allow us to have the advantage (protect me and SoS means thier bursts do no damage to you) The only down side I see is people speccing as a glass cannon then moan when they die so easily.
what is the max ranged dps output of each profession?
where are your wvw videos that will put all the ranger qq to rest?
Being uploaded, troll
just keeping you and your claims on track.
Yes, many types of boons and CC skills at 1500 range or more (havent checked how far away pets can actually go yet) not to mention actually being able to res DEAD people NOT DOWNED at range.
Got to love trolls with selective memory
You realize that pet boons don’t have a 1500 range right? Oh and your original non-edited title was that rangers had godly ranged dps…. no we didn’t forget that.
lol you’re not gaining any credibility in this thread no matter how hard you try.
Yes, many types of boons and CC skills at 1500 range or more (havent checked how far away pets can actually go yet) not to mention actually being able to res DEAD people NOT DOWNED at range.
Got to love trolls with selective memory
You realize that pet boons don’t have a 1500 range right? Oh and your original non-edited title was that rangers had godly ranged dps…. no we didn’t forget that.
lol you’re not gaining any credibility in this thread no matter how hard you try.
So if you tell your pet to attack something at 1500 range then activate its F2 for the boons its not working at 1500 range? Why even try to argue this point?. Have you not been using pets? Do you not know how they work? Do you even play the Ranger?
Oh let me guess, you only consider the range of the skill without adding in the Range capability of the pet. Not exactly looking at the whole picture is it.
Trying to bring up what i originaly had as the thred topic which has been changed does what? Show that you try to bring a point that is no longer valid back to try and win an argument? Troll. Try again.
As the argument on damage goes. I have shown wiyh 2 videos that the pet can be kept alive in live situations. This then does not mean the ranger is always only in 60% damage due to pet death. The pet mechanic was was never a damage only mechanic anyway. Being able to keep up sustained damage with the least amount of down time for all classes is what makes it godly. The utilities it has that can be used at ranged is what makes it godly. Rangers are godly at Ranged.
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Yes, many types of boons and CC skills at 1500 range or more (havent checked how far away pets can actually go yet) not to mention actually being able to res DEAD people NOT DOWNED at range.
Got to love trolls with selective memory
You realize that pet boons don’t have a 1500 range right? Oh and your original non-edited title was that rangers had godly ranged dps…. no we didn’t forget that.
lol you’re not gaining any credibility in this thread no matter how hard you try.
So if you tell your pet to attack something at 1500 range then activate its F2 for the boons its not working at 1500 range? Why even try to argue this point?. Have you not been using pets? Do you not know how they work? Do you even play the Ranger?
Oh let me guess, you only consider the range of the skill without adding in the Range capability of the pet. Not exactly looking at the whole picture is it.
Trying to bring up what i originaly had as the thred topic which has been changed does what? Show that you try to bring a point that is no longer valid back to try and win an argument? Troll. Try again.
As the argument on damage goes. I have shown wiyh 2 videos that the pet can be kept alive in live situations. This then does not mean the ranger is always only in 60% damage due to pet death. The pet mechanic was was never a damage only mechanic anyway. Being able to keep up sustained damage with the least amount of down time for all classes is what makes it godly. The utilities it has that can be used at ranged is what makes it godly. Rangers are godly at Ranged.
Your pet moving does not equal having a 1500 range. Sending your pet into melee range to buff the melee means that your ranged players won’t be getting the buff, and vice versa. Logic is something that you definitely do not have.
Your video showing pet survival also showcases some of the worst dps that I’ve ever seen. It only serves to further weaken your silly argument.
Again lol. Any class can switch to a ranged weapon for “sustained” dps. These same classes can use their utilities at range to the same level of effectiveness as a ranger. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
Yes, many types of boons and CC skills at 1500 range or more (havent checked how far away pets can actually go yet) not to mention actually being able to res DEAD people NOT DOWNED at range.
Got to love trolls with selective memory
You realize that pet boons don’t have a 1500 range right? Oh and your original non-edited title was that rangers had godly ranged dps…. no we didn’t forget that.
lol you’re not gaining any credibility in this thread no matter how hard you try.
So if you tell your pet to attack something at 1500 range then activate its F2 for the boons its not working at 1500 range? Why even try to argue this point?. Have you not been using pets? Do you not know how they work? Do you even play the Ranger?
Oh let me guess, you only consider the range of the skill without adding in the Range capability of the pet. Not exactly looking at the whole picture is it.
Trying to bring up what i originaly had as the thred topic which has been changed does what? Show that you try to bring a point that is no longer valid back to try and win an argument? Troll. Try again.
As the argument on damage goes. I have shown wiyh 2 videos that the pet can be kept alive in live situations. This then does not mean the ranger is always only in 60% damage due to pet death. The pet mechanic was was never a damage only mechanic anyway. Being able to keep up sustained damage with the least amount of down time for all classes is what makes it godly. The utilities it has that can be used at ranged is what makes it godly. Rangers are godly at Ranged.
Your pet moving does not equal having a 1500 range. Sending your pet into melee range to buff the melee means that your ranged players won’t be getting the buff, and vice versa. Logic is something that you definitely do not have.
Your video showing pet survival also showcases some of the worst dps that I’ve ever seen. It only serves to further weaken your silly argument.
Again lol. Any class can switch to a ranged weapon for “sustained” dps. These same classes can use their utilities at range to the same level of effectiveness as a ranger. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
Don’t be stupid. It’s like saying Guardians shouts are rubbish because anyone outside of 900 range wont get buffed. same with every other class that does buffs.
Once again another troll reply.
Kensai, put up or shut up. You told us half a day ago that your video was uploading. Where is it.
(please note, the video recorder was a free version so kept cutting out during play. There were times when I was fighting and it cut out and didn’t have time to press record again and the rest I have edited to remove all the boring running around.
Here it is enjoy
30/0/30/5/5 (Not a GC damage spec so don’t expect omfg high numbers)
Once again I have to remind people this is not a damage demonstration. This video is to show how effective the Ranger is in a Zerg environment.
Rangers are Godly due to their Range capabilities. This is not limited to just damage. Search and rescue, hands down the best Res skill in the game and used to great effect when in a Zerg or with a small group.
Signet of Stone. 6 seconds of invulnerability increases Rangers and pet survival by a huge amount. The synergy with Rangers Regen capabilities also makes it for me a must have skill in WvW. There were 2 1v1 fights with thief class that I didn’t manage to capture but I hope I showed how good the skill can be (There is a reason why the CD was increased from BW)
Seeing as I am the village idiot in the Ranger community and an absolute noob, I am sure everyone else will be able to do a much better job. If I can do this much. Just how much better are Rangers in the hands of a skilled player? stop the QQ and find ways to make it work.
Play the class how it was designed and it will shine where it is supposed to shine. Try to play it like another class…well obvious the other class will be better.
1500 proved very effective on at least clear occasions. Once was taking out the mortar that was bombing our siege machines on the wall. The other was downing the warrior (or guardian, cant remember) as he ran back into his lines.
Oh and I think there was a point in there where I showed getting the spirit buff then walking outside the gate to shoot someone with it still on. If memory serves me correctly I believe someone said it couldn’t be done.
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Kensai, put up or shut up. You told us half a day ago that your video was uploading. Where is it.
Wow…just wow.
A few things I noticed.
1. Your pet was dead half the time. Like you sent it out and forgot to swap. You would’ve done more for your side if you just used stalker/moa buff. Don’t even remember seeing you pressing F2.
2. You had trouble killing up lvl players. Like the guy from FRS. The 2nd time you ran into him and he ran away you only did like 3k to him from the back. If it weren’t for your teammate he would’ve gotten away.
3. You damage was so low, the whole RF channel would often only do like 3k?
4. No stun breaker? No cleanse?
5. No crit on LB? Why? It barely keeps up with SB with crit. Oh right you went defense. You think defense actually matters if you’re only going to zerg surf?
6. Why chase someone on GS and mash GS1? Swoop and hilt bash?
Not sure what you’re going for here…
1. dead pets = 100% search and rescue success rate
2. Raw power build. wearing knights armour. Melandru runes. Knights and berserker accessories. More skilled players would be closer to GC builds and do more damage. Once again, this wasn’t to showcase damage output. Also, how do you know he wasn’t running a full tank build? he could have been lvl 79 and be up leveled.
3. Yeah I know, I don’t have much crit damage so there would be no kickers tot eh damage output. Once again, Not a damage build. Still gets the job done.
4. Melandru runes + lemongrass poultry soup. No need to equip those utilities. Never have to worry about conditions, get stunned for only 1 second. Melandru, Nature, Ranger, some kind of connection there I think.
5. Defence matters. GC Rangers are REALLY bad in WvW. Sure you can do more damage. But how much damage can you do when you are dead? I may not have been doing high damage, but the this style is to provide suppression fire. Notice how the enemy reacts no matter how much damage they are getting? this is control.
6. Because I am a noob I rely far too much on the evade on 1 to avoid the big hits whilst the pet attacks. Should really learn to use 4 and 5 more. But that will come in due time.