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I never know how unchallenge range long range is with experience in wvw. I find 1500 too much no risk for ragner class range. Standard long range is 1200, what i do not understand is do ranger class need that +300 range to be effective as a long range class?
In wvw, all i was doing is spam longbow skill #1 and i feel this is too much not having risk for a range class. I am chock that i kill 8 player in 5 minute just for being in 1500 range: i find that problematic not accept for challenge play and require no risk play. No class should have easy advantage + with 0-little cooldown.
In Pve and Pvp: i see same effect and it should not be that way at all.
Last: there is no excuse, there is no reason for that class to have +300 advatage over standard 1200 range especially can spam with very low cool down.
Suggestion again: make ranger class range be 1300 range for challeng play and risk play.
Ranger class need have risk not have over advantage: i remember too, they have pet that can go long range: it make no sense giving ranger 2x long range- rangerpet+high mobility for ranger= too much no risk, too much no challenge
Conclude: Easy acess and easy advantage need to have risk and concequence.
Consider change to ranger range arena net
Dear god….. how many classes are you claiming to be OP now? This is at least the 3rd or 4th. Maybe play the game for a few more months before deciding everything that kills you is OP.
Maybe he’s playing a PvE boss! I bet he’s lupi or something and everything can solo him!
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To the poster above, it is a losing argument. I agree 100% with what you said because, well, it actually makes sense. But at the end of the day like the other poster above you can’t really change their opinion. Much like that of the OP.
Each class has risk vs. reward in WvW and PvP but they are not all equal. As you pointed out a Ranger running full DPS with very little defenses in open field WvW has to play smart. How smart? Almost like a 4th meta in the game I call hide n’ seek. Last night when I played I was pretty sure I didn’t have any magical bubble surrounding me that gave me a pass and deflected all incoming attacks nor was I alerted when enemy players, regardless of numbers, chased me down…
Rangers have equal risk vs. rewards along with every other class. Guardian DPS running triple meditations gives up a lot of health and armor to do that damage. Why is that any more risk than a Ranger doing the same thing? I’d almost argue that the Ranger has it tougher due to less blocking and tools available to sustain.
1 skill with a long range doesn’t make this class OP when a simple double tap / dodge negates all incoming damage. If the masses don’t understand this simple game mechanic, for any incoming damage, then they are really playing the wrong game.
Simply put – Dodge plays a major role in this game. Those that learn it quick usually do well. Those that don’t, well, free loot bags.
Thank You! for understanding
I also want to say: there is only 2 dodge compare with no dodge limit in other mmo game. Like you say play smart but how smart can you play when there is limit with only 2 dodge? Example: if there is 1+ ranger attacking in 1500 range, 2 dodge will not save you but if dodge was not limit. than it would make sense. I hope you understand.
Last, i always see player post and player say that dodge, dodge but they do not want admit how limit dodge is so until than, dodge is very bad excuse until Arena net increase it; if they want.
Newsflash – they don’t balance for WvW, and if you want a no risk class then you wouldn’t pick ranger, you’d pick thief or certain warrior builds, who can disengage for the most part when they want.
I did not know ranger was not risk class until i experience it. You are correct with thief and warrior
To the poster above, it is a losing argument. I agree 100% with what you said because, well, it actually makes sense. But at the end of the day like the other poster above you can’t really change their opinion. Much like that of the OP.
Each class has risk vs. reward in WvW and PvP but they are not all equal. As you pointed out a Ranger running full DPS with very little defenses in open field WvW has to play smart. How smart? Almost like a 4th meta in the game I call hide n’ seek. Last night when I played I was pretty sure I didn’t have any magical bubble surrounding me that gave me a pass and deflected all incoming attacks nor was I alerted when enemy players, regardless of numbers, chased me down…
Rangers have equal risk vs. rewards along with every other class. Guardian DPS running triple meditations gives up a lot of health and armor to do that damage. Why is that any more risk than a Ranger doing the same thing? I’d almost argue that the Ranger has it tougher due to less blocking and tools available to sustain.
1 skill with a long range doesn’t make this class OP when a simple double tap / dodge negates all incoming damage. If the masses don’t understand this simple game mechanic, for any incoming damage, then they are really playing the wrong game.
Simply put – Dodge plays a major role in this game. Those that learn it quick usually do well. Those that don’t, well, free loot bags.
Thank You! for understanding
Last, i always see player post and player say that dodge, dodge but they do not want admit how limit dodge is so until than, dodge is very bad excuse until Arena net increase it; if they want.
Oh, I understand. It comes down to how you set up your builds, runes, food, and of course sigils. They all play a role so you are not limited to just two dodges. As I said if the Ranger built for pure damage chances are high they have very little defenses. Thus my risk vs. reward comment. So I don’t think Arena Net needs to fix it because they want to you make a choice. Endurance – use it wisely
So yes, I do understand. But also know that the damage output from Rapid Fire wasn’t increased. So I did mention dodge but as already been stated you can also use the land, NPC’s, and creatures to also help avoid RF.
Nothing is free and you do have to make some choices. I don’t think any class in the game ignores that part but that is just my opinion.
To the poster above, it is a losing argument. I agree 100% with what you said because, well, it actually makes sense. But at the end of the day like the other poster above you can’t really change their opinion. Much like that of the OP.
Each class has risk vs. reward in WvW and PvP but they are not all equal. As you pointed out a Ranger running full DPS with very little defenses in open field WvW has to play smart. How smart? Almost like a 4th meta in the game I call hide n’ seek. Last night when I played I was pretty sure I didn’t have any magical bubble surrounding me that gave me a pass and deflected all incoming attacks nor was I alerted when enemy players, regardless of numbers, chased me down…
Rangers have equal risk vs. rewards along with every other class. Guardian DPS running triple meditations gives up a lot of health and armor to do that damage. Why is that any more risk than a Ranger doing the same thing? I’d almost argue that the Ranger has it tougher due to less blocking and tools available to sustain.
1 skill with a long range doesn’t make this class OP when a simple double tap / dodge negates all incoming damage. If the masses don’t understand this simple game mechanic, for any incoming damage, then they are really playing the wrong game.
Simply put – Dodge plays a major role in this game. Those that learn it quick usually do well. Those that don’t, well, free loot bags.
Thank You! for understanding
Last, i always see player post and player say that dodge, dodge but they do not want admit how limit dodge is so until than, dodge is very bad excuse until Arena net increase it; if they want.
Try to roam “solo” in T1 EB and see how unforgiving glass ranger can be against any decent player with decent build. (cond necro, invisible thief, dodging S/D thief, , condition warrior, mediation block guardian, those are all extremely hard fight and hard counter.)
Newsflash – they don’t balance for WvW, and if you want a no risk class then you wouldn’t pick ranger, you’d pick thief or certain warrior builds, who can disengage for the most part when they want.
I did not know ranger was not risk class until i experience it. You are correct with thief and warrior
Please stop posting such generalized statements. Ranger as a class has risk. You have to make sacrifices with traits, utilities but even with weapon choices. You can’t have it all. That is the risk rangers have to make. There is no risk in pressing the 2 button on your keyboard, true. But from your posts it seems you didn’t experience how bad things can go for a glassbow ranger if a player survives your initial damage.
On the subject of dodge, if people are willing to post their build, then they will be given other advice. Sadly, most people come to the forums and post sentences like: “We all know that rangers are broken, nerf them ANET!”.
I did not know ranger was not risk class until i experience it. You are correct with thief and warrior
I’m looking forward to improving my skills after watching your videos of unedited no-risk total domination in ranked PvP matches. When can you post them?
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Still waiting for those videos, dear Darksyze. The ‘problem’ would be demonstrated much more clearly.
I did not know ranger was not risk class until i experience it. You are correct with thief and warrior
I’m looking forward to improving my skills after watching your videos of unedited no-risk total domination in ranked PvP matches. When can you post them?
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It is not i am having problem with them because i like challenge. What i find problem is how they have more advantage without any effort and consequence. It is common sense for any game designer to not design a profession by give high it high advantage without have penalty, concequence and risk. Like one of the designer say, “it is complete suicide without having any risk”
Hate to break it to you kiddo, but game balancing DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU.
The games designers have to take into account WAY MORE than what you think, in your extremely limited experience, is “challenging”. Like I said, stop posting, go play the more because with every silly post you illustrate more and more you that you lack sorely in knowledge of what challenge actually is in this game.
I do not know where you get idea “game balance revolve around me”? I am player like you: i am not special So it is us player to report what is not fun and not challenge in the game so Arena net fix it and improve.
If you want me to pretend there is fun and challenge in game balancing than it will not happen. As a player/consumer: I want Arena net to make game balancing fun and challenge with effort and risk, is it wrong for me to see this way?
Do you know fun and challenge prolong company life? Do you know fun and challenge expand company growth? So just because i want fun and challenge, that all of sudden, i am “make game balance revolve around me”
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I’m going to just go out on a limb and say you ignored everything everyone wrote or suggested or provided factual information on why our Range and Rapid Fire is not over powered. Furthermore, that the damage has not been increased with the change to Rapid Fire months back.
Seriously, what is the real beef with the Ranger and their range? i have no real beef with ranger class.
Is it that you personally feel over powered by using it? If so, then switch out Long to Short and the problem is solved. Not bad suggestion at all but wvw require long range most.
Is it that you personally feel it is easy to kill enemy players on your server? Transfer then. No No, i personally feel it is too easy for ranger to have +300 advantage point with only using 1 skill that is all.
Is it that you personally feel it is OP in large group fighting or on the Edge of the Mist maps? Don’t join the zergs or know Edge of Mist is nothing more than the farm and exp train. I feel it is OP when only ranger using long range.
Is it that you personally feel it is OP in sPvP? Then only join ranked games. Play, and come back next week and pass me your name and ranking. I’m pretty sure you will come back and say how wrong you are. I am still learning spvp: i am not expert experience but using only long range to kill enemy player, require no expert experience.
Shorter side of my answer. Ranger has to range. Target has to react. Arena net has provided everyone with skills to avoid getting insta-gibbed.
I agree with you, but remember: only if you are extreme mobility class- thief and war, there will not be enough time to react. I understand ranger is a range class but i think +300 range is just too much that is all.
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Um…I’m pretty sure on my Guardian I can use close that gap rather quickly ‘AND’ withstand that auto attack or rapid fire. In fact, I do rather regularly And if I’m lazy and engaging a sleepy Ranger then I’ll toss up Wall of Reflection and watch them blow half their health, recovery spells, then I’ll join the dance, lock them down, and pretty much force a respawn.
It isn’t about agreeing but probably more of a perception issue with you and the class? I’m still trying to understand if you are actually playing the Ranger and find it too easy which is a viable argument at your skill level. Or, if you are usually on the receiving end of the range and don’t find it funny or amusing. Due to ignorance on how to recover and engage the dance.
If you play and bored then there are a few other classes you can try and maybe enjoy the game. I’d believe it would be time better spent if truth be told because you would be learning ‘AND’ having fun.
On the other hand if it is because you are on the receiving end and don’t know how to recover and dance, then plenty of people provided you ways to adapt. That, in turn, comes with your rate of comfort, skill at GW2 in general, and time. And that my fellow GW2 player, happens with all classes.
GW2 is built for comfort, not for speed.
