Rangers were bad before the SB nerf.
Its diffrent for me, I find my Utility skills make me amazing. Despite all the hate, “Sick em!” is quite useful in pve. With that shout+QZ I solo all kinds of stuff in overworld pve. In dungeons, Spirits are really good, just dont put them in stupid places. The get up and walk trait is bad, dont bother. Spirits have 100% upkeep anyways other then the elite, and in dungeons your fighting isnt mobile enough to require you to move them.
Weapons skill sets are garbage though. Axe/Warhorn and SB is what I run with, and I love Axe/Horn its really a decent midline mix. And thats what makes it so good imo, But the other weapons not only need bug fixes, but plain need damage buffs. I like their utility, its good and helps the team. But they leave a big gap in damage, and thats just kitteny. We can do all the roles well right now imo except damage and thats what id like to see them fix up. Leave all the skills the same, but buff up the damage!
pets are all kinds of well, difficult to deal with for most.
Also, pvp is pvp, their will never be balance in pvp, thats proven fact by fighting games and other pvp based games.
If anyone can stand up for ArenaNet for what the rangers are currently, they’re just a fan boy because the class is just awful.
- Out classed at range
- Worse Support in the game
- Pet non existent in PvP
And we’re the only class to be lied to, as said above, if you want a class that wont be nerfed and always strong, go warrior, to many devs love it to show such this disrespect.
i think pve players should go and farm,we talk here about ranger in pvp.
don’t tell me what is a dmg,when warrior and thief can kill you in 2 3 hits.
in pve is ok,even if others have better life,but in pvp…no words.
is the first mmo where i find ranger so f…
I agree with Dice Dragon. Narcissism and self importance are not pretty even in video games. A little bit of introspection wouldn’t hurt you.
we have 2 dedicated sub forums for pvp issues, go their to complain about the rangers viability
well you have to admit this “glitch fix” hurt pvpers more than it did pve’rs. the shortbow machine gun was THE BEST build for pvp rangers. we basically got shot in the leg and then were forced to fight a kittening bear. these days rangers that do well in spvp are the cream of the crop. i have stuck it out on my ranger and i have made a nice pvp build that i enjoy and i get mad kills with. this nerf will make all rangers stronger, as long as you stick with it.
Nayru, “Skill” is heavily required to be dominant as a ranger in both PVE and sPVP. Those players who are constantly complaining about the uselessness of rangers have not developed the proper skill required to play with that class.
I kill almost EVERY class at almost every encounter with my ranger and i have an absolute blast doing so. Do i get destroyed sometimes? hell yeah, but i sure put up a good fight doing it and even dieing and saying GG at the end is fun.
Is the ranger glitched? Without a doubt, so is every other class in some way or another but who cares, players who have skill and are on good teams will be good REGARDLESS of those obstacles.
You need to develop skill first, then you will see how fun it is to play a ranger. So less QQ more PEWPEW! Properly tuned rangers are a force to be reckoned with.
I love all these players with the ‘’you don’t have the skills’’ bs. I ask them all ‘’well post your full build in the build sections and NONE ever did. I think that 99.99% of you are full of it and like to hear yourself blow air. If you want less QQ and more PEW PEW, post you oh so superior builds in the proper section and most of us will try them and be like OMG these builds r so awesome we don’t need to complain anymore. But nope. You all just love to QQ on here instead.
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lmao. ^ it’s not about the build. There are some good builds out there. Many of us can run the same good builds. First of all with builds, not everyone will think it is a good build. But if it fits your play style and you know exactly what you’re doing with each part of it, it will work.lol
Someone else had the same build as i was but was dying all the time… Why don’t I? Why do some players 1 v 3 with rangers and WIN? Why do they do well and others can only complain?
Certainly, we could summarize and say those who fail don’t really understand the concept and strengths of our current ranger, and their play style may be better suited for another class.
For example some say they re roll warrior and love it. I play melee ranger alot of the time now… and I love it much more than warrior melee. It is so much smarter and more practical and i can almost do the same dps. not quite but almost. I don’t need the exact same thing as a warrior.
Onwards, it takes a lot of timing and strategy, positioning, keeping ur eye on ur pet. Like it’s not even just about reaction time in evading and using defensive skills.. I’m not sure what it is exactly really but play style. You know what you’re doing, it fits the way you think and go about fighting.
I’m certain some players are great at warriors, but if you ask me to play a warrior, I can’t. I won’t be able to do well with one. I won’t perform skillfully. Whereas I’m much better with a ranger or a mesmer.
I’m not sure it’s all about the science, not all about the stats, build, or even how fast you press buttons. Maybe skill might not be the right word even. But knowing the class well, and you fitting the class and what it offers, including its issues, and the class fitting your personality, your way of thinking, your skillsets
Another example is my warrior friend who levelled his all the way to 80 and always played warriors in all games. However, he tried the necromancer (yes the very flawed necromancer) in pvp. And immediately he said it was his thing. He loved it and is trying to go main with necromancer. he’s wrecking players by a debuff strategy…. Certainly, it’s not about the build or skill, its more about what works for you personally
I was one of the top players in EQ1 for many many years: a game that is far more complex and required much more mechanics than this game. I left due to the game dying in the end. Trust me. I have explored and calculated and I have the skills. Many of us do. The facts remain that many builds that would work even better are broken. There are bugs galore and we were LIED to and taken for fools. If you disagree with that, well what can I say?! Go play the game and let us complain since your messages are clearly not fixing our class or asking for it to be fixed. They are only reinforcing the idea that anyone who complains is a bad player lacking skills and that Anet has a winner with the ranger at the moment. It’s pretty counter-productive. If you’re sop happy, go play the game. I’m spending a lot more time on here lately because I am unhappy. I would rather be happy and playing the game which I plan on doing once they get started on fixing many of our bugs. If you have no issues, I’m not so sure what you’re doing on here other than trying to give yourself an ego boost. Ok you’re so skilled and we’re not. Happy now?
Lol that’s not hte point of my reply. Did i say you have no skill? I said it wasn’t even exactly skill imo.
I am unhappy with the issues too, that they are ignoring all the bugs that ought to be fixed and they have not been spending attention on the ranger class. I have voiced my concerns in countless other threads.
However, in our current situation, i am unhappy that all players are doing is complaining. Do you think complaining about the same things over and over will mean you get something done? If you’re going to stick with playing a ranger, deal with what you have NOW. Fight well, kill other classes in PvP if it fits your style. If it does not, re roll another class. For now.
We still hope for things to be fixed but for now, there are players who can use the ranger effectively. And clearly some do not. If these players who do well with our current ranger, imagine how they will do when things get improved on.
We will continue to push for improvements, but we will also stand by the classes that fits us best and we willb e effective with whatever class we are playing. Other classes also have issues.
Yes I do think that the more we complain, the less they can ignore it. It’s like a petition so to say.
I’m still playing my ranger. I made a 360 adjustment and am working with what I have at the moment ankittenruly hoping for fixes.
Other classes may have issues but I think we all know that ranger/ele/nec are at the top of the list.
Coming here and telling people that they are unskilled is pretty low after they worked hours to get their ranger to how they wanted it to be. I don’t see how these people should have to even adjust to use another set of skills to become viable. They have hundreds of hours played a certain way then that comes crashing down. Some of us chose to make changes and wait while others are rightfully angry. Who are you to say what skill is? They could of been quite skilled playing their SB build and went with the ranger because they enjoyed that build. Having it destroyed after hundreds of playtime hours isn’t fun. Maybe they do not trust that the ranger, if they worked out a new set of skills, wouldn’t get nerfed again!? There are too many questions in the air to simply say ‘’it works down to skills and those who have them stick with the ranger while those who do not should move on’’.
I don’t know why this is turned into a PvE vs PvP thread when Ranger is crap at both. And all they bring to WvWvW now is barrage.
Yeah you can get through trash mobs while leveling or farming well, but so can anybody really. There are already people now who will refuse to take Rangers in their dungeon groups now. Whatever you think about those kind of people, you can’t really blame them, Rangers have no damage and no support (sticking Spirits in some out of the way corner where their area of effect can’t reach the actually fight doesn’t really help the problem that their buffs are crap).
again, these are all personal opinions. My ranger is often longest lasting in dungeons and tough pve situations in Orr, as well as game changer damage on long standing boss fights, I pull aggro immediately from champs and bosses as soon as i put on some heavy dps. where as other classes are getting down, my dps is severely high steadily when im kiting or even when i decide to melee and evading/dodging around. I don’t know about you or your build, but my build has a ton of steady dps. I don’t even need my pet to do anything.
What i’m saying is don’t be so absolute because there are players who make their ranger shine in many situations, including pvp and wvw. Rangers who take down players no matter what class.
Just because certain peoples experience is crappy doesn’t mean everyone’s ranger experience is bad. Stop being absolute and understand maybe ranger doesn’t work for YOU. but works for someone else.
That said, once again, i’m not saying there are no issues and things dont need to be improved. I’m saying stop being absolute and saying rangers are horrible. They aren’t for some players. They are extremely effective in all situations if played right
Ok we’re back to you with ’’I’m a more skilled ranger than the rest of you’’. Thanks for the super duper input. We couldn’t appreciate it more. It brought so much to the discussion of our issues. They are all because we suck. We get it. Now go play your awesome ranger.
This thread is useless, We have a 15 page thread working on this. Don’t make rethreads of the same info. SB rangers were very very good. That being said the other weapons were subpar and needed buffs. I can still use my ranger but it is not nearly as fun anymore or effective. It is not game breaking but we are pretty much a class to laugh at now, noone really worries about us in pvp.
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again, these are all personal opinions. My ranger is often longest lasting in dungeons and tough pve situations in Orr, as well as game changer damage on long standing boss fights, I pull aggro immediately from champs and bosses as soon as i put on some heavy dps. where as other classes are getting down, my dps is severely high steadily when im kiting or even when i decide to melee and evading/dodging around. I don’t know about you or your build, but my build has a ton of steady dps. I don’t even need my pet to do anything.
What i’m saying is don’t be so absolute because there are players who make their ranger shine in many situations, including pvp and wvw. Rangers who take down players no matter what class.
Just because certain peoples experience is crappy doesn’t mean everyone’s ranger experience is bad. Stop being absolute and understand maybe ranger doesn’t work for YOU. but works for someone else.
That said, once again, i’m not saying there are no issues and things dont need to be improved. I’m saying stop being absolute and saying rangers are horrible. They aren’t for some players. They are extremely effective in all situations if played right
Did you think before you typed that? Hardcore dungeon and tPvP guilds don’t want Rangers in their groups for these things. Pickup dungeon groups are starting to decline Rangers. These are facts. I am not every single hardcore dungeon/tPvP guild in the game rolled into one person with added pickup groups thrown in I am just one person noticing what is happening in the game. If Ranger had anything to offer these people would have found it by now.
Well done on killing some noobs btw. The fact that on the same skill level any other class can stomp you without thinking isn’t important, we have enough to actually play the game so it must be perfectly balanced.
Other than Takatsu’s ranger. Don’t forget he’s more skilled than us all! Ok I’m done commenting. This has derailed so much just had to lol one last time.
I dont know about you, but i’m doing fine in dungeons. Perhaps its a server thing though. I know effective rangers here. And I do dungeons. people actively wanted rangers in their group. Other classes have been saying they’ve seen some crazy rangers around pvp and they are wary against rangers. I don’t think you’ve heard both sides of the story
How about instead of buffing shortbow which isnt meant to be a damage weapon they just make it so crossfire bleeds regardless of position, the move on to the other weapons more in need of lovin like GS or LB. Just a thought.
A guardian, because their abilities are awesomesauce. Although I would love if my main ranger got some love, I’d go back to dungeons and WvW with him.
Wouldnt we all…wouldnt we all.
again, these are all personal opinions. My ranger is often longest lasting in dungeons and tough pve situations in Orr, as well as game changer damage on long standing boss fights, I pull aggro immediately from champs and bosses as soon as i put on some heavy dps. where as other classes are getting down, my dps is severely high steadily when im kiting or even when i decide to melee and evading/dodging around. I don’t know about you or your build, but my build has a ton of steady dps. I don’t even need my pet to do anything.
Please share this awesome face-melting “I don’t even need my pet” damage build, please?
Spec?
Gear?
Overall stats?
Strategy?
I love all these players with the ‘’you don’t have the skills’’ bs. I ask them all ‘’well post your full build in the build sections and NONE ever did. I think that 99.99% of you are full of it and like to hear yourself blow air. If you want less QQ and more PEW PEW, post you oh so superior builds in the proper section and most of us will try them and be like OMG these builds r so awesome we don’t need to complain anymore. But nope. You all just love to QQ on here instead.
Why on earth would i tell you how I’m a successful ranger? LOL then everyone else would try it whats the point, i want to be different. Add me in game and ill show you how to play this game if you want!
Rangers are amazing. Before this game was even released they made sure to let players know that this game is skill based. If you cant use a profession its because you’re doing it wrong! Simple and easy.
I don’t mind people adding and ill give them builds or tips on them but im not making threads so that everyone can jus copy each other. Find out for yourself..
I love all these players with the ‘’you don’t have the skills’’ bs. I ask them all ‘’well post your full build in the build sections and NONE ever did. I think that 99.99% of you are full of it and like to hear yourself blow air. If you want less QQ and more PEW PEW, post you oh so superior builds in the proper section and most of us will try them and be like OMG these builds r so awesome we don’t need to complain anymore. But nope. You all just love to QQ on here instead.
Why on earth would i tell you how I’m a successful ranger? LOL then everyone else would try it whats the point, i want to be different. Add me in game and ill show you how to play this game if you want!
Rangers are amazing. Before this game was even released they made sure to let players know that this game is skill based. If you cant use a profession its because you’re doing it wrong! Simple and easy.
I don’t mind people adding and ill give them builds or tips on them but im not making threads so that everyone can jus copy each other. Find out for yourself..
Okay, we can at least credit you with knowing how to evade.
Ok so you’re full of it and wanted to come on here for attention and to boost your ego. Got it!
It’s not face melting, it’s what i consider to be rather normal if you wanted it to be. People keep saying ranger has no dps and can’t survive or are completely useless. I’m saying my ranger is doing fine, not that i am a super ranger. All those things, are things other classes can do too.
But I will share, of course this is my personal build. But it’s also a common build. You may not like my build, or believe me, that’s totally up to you. I personally don’t think i’m a great player like you accuse me of. But all im saying is just from experience. and i want to be honest, word for word. People think this is glass cannon. But I manage to survive well enough, because my pet and i are two targets, and just by using the evasions built into my weapon skills and so on. For PvP, i’m still working things out so i don’t have my final build yet. Right now its like 50/50 gambles for PvP.
currently (I changed it up recently):
25 / 25 / 10 / 10 / 0
attack: 3500 without bloodlust
critical chance: 50%
armor: 2050 ish
health is 17k
Full berserker gear with rune of the Scholar.. maybe changing the rune to ranger or something else. not sure yet. I have an accessory with some good vitality, toughness
right now Berserker Weapons with Bloodlust… im re-thinking the sigils though. Might change it.
I run GS and Sword/Torch day to day and melee with ranger is awesome. Even just rushing into a swarm in Orr, is fine, you’ve got tons of aoe and dps. as long as you keep pet swapping and healing.
swoop crits at 2800 – 3500. normal attacks for both 1h sword and gs crit at 1200 – 2200. QZ + 1h sword has about 10-14k total damage. (think about it, i can have about 4 cycles of the auto attack chain in the QZ give or take. thats 3 strikes each cycle, averaging around 1000 – 2000 each hit.) thats just the sword stuff.
Shortbow crits at 1000-1300? QZ is what, 12 arrows?
this isn’t no damage… not the best damage out of all the classes but do you call this no damage?
I run sword/torch and shortbow for other situations like a lot of vets in the mobs or a champion here and there… like retaking arah events, where i need to be some what flexible. And for WvW
Dual bows for dungeons. I just stay away, kite all day, run with devourers. The rest of the team may go down and I have to run around like nuts, hopefully getting more shots here and there.
I run with wolves normally day to day. great damage, great knock downs, and because of their relatively long range leaps, they can keep up with targets a bit better. Devourers for dungeons. I keep them passive sometimes. I constantly pet swap in tougher situations. General pet strategy i keep calling them in and out of danger and so forth.
slots i run with depends on situations:
Usually – Signet of Wild, Signet of Renewal, QZ, Entangle, Heal as One
Dungeons, depends on which though – Signet of Renewal, Protect Me, Frost Trap/Lightning Reflexes, Entangle, Healing Spring/Heal as One
WvW – Protect Me, Stone Signet, QZ, Heal As One
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It’s not face melting, it’s what i consider to be rather normal if you wanted it to be. People keep saying ranger has no dps and can’t survive or are completely useless. I’m saying my ranger is doing fine, not that i am a super ranger. All those things, are things other classes can do too.
But I will share, of course this is my personal build. But it’s also a common build. You may not like my build, or believe me, that’s totally up to you. I personally don’t think i’m a great player like you accuse me of. But all im saying is just from experience. and i want to be honest, word for word. People think this is glass cannon. But I manage to survive well enough, because my pet and i are two targets, and just by using the evasions built into my weapon skills and so on. For PvP, i’m still working things out so i don’t have my final build yet. Right now its like 50/50 gambles for PvP.
currently (I changed it up recently):
25 / 25 / 10 / 10 / 0attack: 3500 without bloodlust
critical chance: 50%
armor: 2050 ish
health is 17kFull berserker gear with rune of the Scholar.. maybe changing the rune to ranger or something else. not sure yet. I have an accessory with some good vitality, toughness
right now Berserker Weapons with Bloodlust… im re-thinking the sigils though. Might change it.I run GS and Sword/Torch day to day and melee with ranger is awesome. Even just rushing into a swarm in Orr, is fine, you’ve got tons of aoe and dps. as long as you keep pet swapping and healing.
swoop crits at 2800 – 3500. normal attacks for both 1h sword and gs crit at 1200 – 2200. QZ + 1h sword has about 10-14k total damage. (think about it, i can have about 4 cycles of the auto attack chain in the QZ give or take. thats 3 strikes each cycle, averaging around 1000 – 2000 each hit.) thats just the sword stuff.
Shortbow crits at 1000-1300? QZ is what, 12 arrows?
this isn’t no damage… not the best damage out of all the classes but do you call this no damage?
I run sword/torch and shortbow for other situations like a lot of vets in the mobs or a champion here and there… like retaking arah events, where i need to be some what flexible. And for WvW
Dual bows for dungeons. I just stay away, kite all day, run with devourers. The rest of the team may go down and I have to run around like nuts, hopefully getting more shots here and there.
I run with wolves normally day to day. great damage, great knock downs, and because of their relatively long range leaps, they can keep up with targets a bit better. Devourers for dungeons. I keep them passive sometimes. I constantly pet swap in tougher situations. General pet strategy i keep calling them in and out of danger and so forth.
slots i run with depends on situations:
Usually – Signet of Wild, Signet of Renewal, QZ, Entangle, Heal as One
Dungeons, depends on which though – Signet of Renewal, Protect Me, Frost Trap/Lightning Reflexes, Entangle, Healing Spring/Heal as One
WvW – Protect Me, Stone Signet, QZ, Heal As One
…
This is a suicide build for spvp. Also, you will not be seeing that kind of damage from xfire in spvp, more like 600 or so as glass cannon. My favorite builds only did around 300 damage before the nerf on xfire (condition and support builds).
Another thing, the OP is saying rangers were bad as in “bad compared to other classes”. There are too many variables to compare classes in WvW and Pve- level/gear etc., which is what your posts essentially tries to do. In spvp you can make some reasonable assumptions. Rangers were just ok before the nerf, I say “ok” because I really liked the playstyle-kiting/control/strategy; I understand why some people would say they were crap compared to our mesmer/thief/guardian overlords.
Note: played over 600 spvp games as ranger before the nerf, was able to win 1vs1 most classes, kitten, kitten, w@nk. Also played many games as other classes and was also able to win 1vs1. In fact at I started as thief and thought I must be pro as i kept getting 20+ kills a game; then I tried ranger and realized it was the class not me.
My thief’s SB damage and skills are way better than a ranger SB.
Pretty much sums it up right there.