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Pet rangers have pet? oh that dead thing that follow me i doubt that shared ar will change something just give me a button to turn pet off
and as a ranger i have no problems with spirits, spirits a good! just dont use them :P
Honestly, with having to micromanage the pet to make it affective. Having another set of passives is pretty kitten handy.
I think it is designed to accompany the pet system. Signets and spirits + pets = Win. In theory
I run a full signet build and 30 BM I do pretty well in dungeons. Pet wolf even tanks bosses though you have to call him back when you know boss is about to do a big hit etc.
Honestly, with having to micromanage the pet to make it affective. Having another set of passives is pretty kitten handy.
I think it is designed to accompany the pet system. Signets and spirits + pets = Win. In theory
I run a full signet build and 30 BM I do pretty well in dungeons. Pet wolf even tanks bosses though you have to call him back when you know boss is about to do a big hit etc.
Passive play isn’t fun for a lot of people. Some people want to be involved and active they don’t want to have half of their utility skills be passive skills, that’s boring and doesn’t make for interesting play to a lot of people. If you want boring passive play roll a 5 signet warrior, there is a reason people dump that leveling spec as Soon as possible, even though it is effective. Honestly the pet doesn’t take a high caliber of micro managing. At the most it’s 4 extra buttons, swapping for buffs, and recalling them when they get into danger. That is not really a high enough level of micro managing to warrant making half of the ranger skills passive lazy skills. Engineers and eles would talk with you about managing multiple items and skill sets, and engineers have 0 signets, eles have signets, but I can’t count on 1 hand the amount of eles I see using them.
Passive skills can be ok if they are a small selection for players to choose from, but when you make that selection half of a players options that’s when it becomes a problem, and extremely limited. This is why half of the rangers on the forum hate their utilities skills. You could slap on a brown bear and all signets/spirits (no kitten difference) and shortbow 1 things to death. Doesn’t mean it’s fun engaging gameplay that is good for the class or game.
Not an attack on you KensaiZen just saying in general.
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Honestly, with having to micromanage the pet to make it affective. Having another set of passives is pretty kitten handy.
I think it is designed to accompany the pet system. Signets and spirits + pets = Win. In theory
I run a full signet build and 30 BM I do pretty well in dungeons. Pet wolf even tanks bosses though you have to call him back when you know boss is about to do a big hit etc.
Passive play isn’t fun for a lot of people. Some people want to be involved and active they don’t want to have half of their utility skills be passive skills, that’s boring and doesn’t make for interesting play to a lot of people. If you want boring passive play roll a 5 signet warrior, there is a reason people dump that leveling spec as Soon as possible, even though it is effective. Honestly the pet doesn’t take a high caliber of micro managing. At the most it’s 4 extra buttons, swapping for buffs, and recalling them when they get into danger. That is not really a high enough level of micro managing to warrant making half of the ranger skills passive lazy skills. Engineers and eles would talk with you about managing multiple items and skill sets, and engineers have 0 signets, eles have signets, but I can’t count on 1 hand the amount of eles I see using them.
Passive skills can be ok if they are a small selection for players to choose from, but when you make that selection half of a players options that’s when it becomes a problem, and extremely limited. This is why half of the rangers on the forum hate their utilities skills. You could slap on a brown bear and all signets/spirits (no kitten difference) and shortbow 1 things to death. Doesn’t mean it’s fun engaging gameplay that is good for the class or game.
Not an attack on you KensaiZen just saying in general.
Well spirits and signets will never be “active” play, spirits weren’t in GW1 doubt they ever will in GW2 (then again preps were on rangers but now they’re on the sin remake).
That being said I feel like if our signets could be used and enjoyed more by people who prefer active builds, and then I personally think spirits should be more like the rest of the summon able pets (exception of eles elementals because that’s more of a pick the tool for the job) where you’re supposed to use the active for defense/offense and then the passive play for offense/defense (obviously in the case f spirits their active should be more control oriented due to Passover being support oriented).
Honestly, with having to micromanage the pet to make it affective. Having another set of passives is pretty kitten handy.
I think it is designed to accompany the pet system. Signets and spirits + pets = Win. In theory
I run a full signet build and 30 BM I do pretty well in dungeons. Pet wolf even tanks bosses though you have to call him back when you know boss is about to do a big hit etc.
Passive play isn’t fun for a lot of people. Some people want to be involved and active they don’t want to have half of their utility skills be passive skills, that’s boring and doesn’t make for interesting play to a lot of people. If you want boring passive play roll a 5 signet warrior, there is a reason people dump that leveling spec as Soon as possible, even though it is effective. Honestly the pet doesn’t take a high caliber of micro managing. At the most it’s 4 extra buttons, swapping for buffs, and recalling them when they get into danger. That is not really a high enough level of micro managing to warrant making half of the ranger skills passive lazy skills. Engineers and eles would talk with you about managing multiple items and skill sets, and engineers have 0 signets, eles have signets, but I can’t count on 1 hand the amount of eles I see using them.
Passive skills can be ok if they are a small selection for players to choose from, but when you make that selection half of a players options that’s when it becomes a problem, and extremely limited. This is why half of the rangers on the forum hate their utilities skills. You could slap on a brown bear and all signets/spirits (no kitten difference) and shortbow 1 things to death. Doesn’t mean it’s fun engaging gameplay that is good for the class or game.
Not an attack on you KensaiZen just saying in general.
Oh I understand your point
But then the same can be said in reverse. If you don’t want passive play and want to do high damage long range active play you can roll a longbow/rifle warrior. It does far more dmg, has range, much better survival.
You can still active play with rangers though tbh, Traps and a few other skills are ok for that (lightning relfex, QF etc) but from the overall look of the ranger, it seems to be more suited to a point control class. Static gameplay over a large area. Extremly strong within that zone (traps and spirits) and when the enemy is outside the zone they can shoot with range. Definitely not a WvW designed class (unless it was for defending sieges).
I know they said that you can play any class how you want to. But it is still confined within the parameters of class design.
You can still roll a 30/30/ build and be glass and do very good damage. Just very low survival IF you get hit There is space in the class to spec for outer range combat (hanging way back from the action and bombing with longbow shows that pierces and does high burst dmg)
I main as a Guardian and see the same thing on Guardian forums. People don’t see the full potential of the class because they want the class to be how they would design it.
Rangers can do with a damage boost to offset their low dmg to survival ratio for those that like to get in the thick of it (melee rangers) but the range game, rangers are pretty powerful. The key is the pets, they cripple and CC the enemy so you can land the big hits from 1200 range. Its all about combining Pet management which is actually a really good mechanic tbh I like it a lot. Simple but affective when you consider that it goes perfectly with Signets (for mobile rangers) or spirits (for static rangers unless traited)
This is what I am seeing in the rangers design. The class isn’t broken. People just don’t want to play within the confines of the class mechanics and scream developers blood because “they” dont want to manage a pet. They want to do massive damage with range and snipe people….. roll a warrior perhaps? love that kill shot
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Well with boon duration u get about 50% protection uptime for your group with stone spirit alone. For yourself u can have perma with moa and dodging.
Frost spirit makes your ele’s 3k aoe hit for 3.3k. If he hits 3 people thats an extra 900 damage. If your hammer warrior jumps in as well, and your gs mesmer drops an izerker and a shatter, your group is doing an extra 2.5k dmg. Get my drift
banners cant do this
Frost field and muddy terrain are always good when retreating
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Well with boon duration u get about 50% protection uptime for your group with stone spirit alone. For yourself u can have perma with moa and dodging.
Frost spirit makes your ele’s 3k aoe hit for 3.3k. If he hits 3 people thats an extra 900 damage. If your hammer warrior jumps in as well, and your gs mesmer drops an izerker and a shatter, your group is doing an extra 2.5k dmg. Get my drift
Frost field and muddy terrain are always good when retreating
Yes, we can spec specifically for our spirits that die extremely easily while warrior banners are immune to damage.
Yes, our spirits have procs and activate-able abilities, Banners have several skills as well …
All banners share the same #1, #3, #4, and #5 skills when equipped:
Each Banner gives a constant bonus to those in range and has a unique #2 when equipped
Banner of Tactics:
Banner of Discipline
Banner of Strength
Banner of Defense
Battle Standard
That chance for +10% damage doesn’t really compare to 100% chance at +180 to power and condition damage or +180 precision and +10% crit damage. Throw in that you can give almost 100% up-time on fury and it’s even better. Pick up, hit #2, hit #5 to put back down … and anyone on your side can do it.
They also give swiftness in and out of combat.
All of the above can also be traited to give regen on top of what they already do. We have to trait just to get our spirits to come with us.
<edit>That 50% up-time with boon duration is making a big assumption that you are going to proc it every time it goes off cooldown
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