Guild Wars 2

Is it just me or is the “fun” (as far as it has been fun using the shortbow anyways) now completely gone in WvW?

I tried to use it – but man… you cant chase anyone down any longer with it… and for my condi build Longbow just isnt the weapon any more…

what about beeing the best Ranged class? I cant see it…

Maybe you should find access to swiftness so you can close a gap? Hmm…if only there was a trait…

Chopps.5047:

Maybe you should find access to swiftness so you can close a gap? Hmm…if only there was a trait…

Yeah, cause rangers are the only class with access to swiftness, man that boon is so hard to get. I don’t see everyone in WvW with swiftness + some other form of IMS such as Ride the Lightning.

Chopps.5047:

Maybe you should find access to swiftness so you can close a gap? Hmm…if only there was a trait…

Are you suggesting swiftness alone, Chopps? It certainly seems that way.

Forum decorum prevents me from replying to this in the manner it so richly deserves.

Shiren.9532:

Chopps.5047:

Maybe you should find access to swiftness so you can close a gap? Hmm…if only there was a trait…

Yeah, cause rangers are the only class with access to swiftness, man that boon is so hard to get. I don’t see everyone in WvW with swiftness + some other form of IMS such as Ride the Lightning.

^This

We never were the best ranged class (warrior or thief have that honour), and now we’re even further away.

I was chasing people down all month (may) using rune of speed! I play 2-4 hours of wvw every day on Jade Quarry. Don’t tell me I don’t know that zergs stop and blast powerful fields just for the swiftness. Zergs snail tail all the time because of slow pokes. Not everyone is running a 25% speed signet or swiftness yet OP writes, and I quote, “I can’t chase ANYONE down anymore”. You are so wrong I’m almost at a loss of words. I think you guys are just haters. You must like to bellyache.

Chopps.5047:

I was chasing people down all month (may) using rune of speed! I play 2-4 hours of wvw every day on Jade Quarry. Don’t tell me I don’t know that zergs stop and blast powerful fields just for the swiftness. Zergs snail tail all the time because of slow pokes. Not everyone is running a 25% speed signet or swiftness yet OP writes, and I quote, “I can’t chase ANYONE down anymore”. You are so wrong I’m almost at a loss of words. I think you guys are just haters. You must like to bellyache.

They play rangers. They are masochists.

Chopps.5047:

I was chasing people down all month (may) using rune of speed! I play 2-4 hours of wvw every day on Jade Quarry. Don’t tell me I don’t know that zergs stop and blast powerful fields just for the swiftness. Zergs snail tail all the time because of slow pokes. Not everyone is running a 25% speed signet or swiftness yet OP writes, and I quote, “I can’t chase ANYONE down anymore”. You are so wrong I’m almost at a loss of words. I think you guys are just haters. You must like to bellyache.

So you pat yourself on the back for killing terrible players who can’t keep up with the zerg? Interesting…

Shiren.9532:

Chopps.5047:

I was chasing people down all month (may) using rune of speed! I play 2-4 hours of wvw every day on Jade Quarry. Don’t tell me I don’t know that zergs stop and blast powerful fields just for the swiftness. Zergs snail tail all the time because of slow pokes. Not everyone is running a 25% speed signet or swiftness yet OP writes, and I quote, “I can’t chase ANYONE down anymore”. You are so wrong I’m almost at a loss of words. I think you guys are just haters. You must like to bellyache.

They play rangers. They are masochists.

Yeah that’s a bit part of being a ranger, those who aren’t rerolled ages ago.
Anyway I’ve just salvaged my two sb, I will get a sword and a torch. At least I will be able to provide more fire combo field to my group in wvw.

The only reason I rolled a ranger was because shortbow ranger was the most fluid playstyle for me (out of Guardian, Warrior, Elementalist, Thief, and Engineer). And now it’s 900 range? Are you kidding me? That’s the reason why I quit thief months ago, because they have a sad excuse for a range weapon. I browsed thief threads awhile ago, and all of them complain about the poor SB range. Most disappointing patch from Anet for me…

Substance E.4852:

So you pat yourself on the back for killing terrible players who can’t keep up with the zerg? Interesting…

He always looks for that inkling of a silver lining. That glimpse of a silk purse hidden in the sow’s ear.

And then expands it to infinity.

why the hell would u nerf shortbow….and ppl say you use swiftness to close cap???half of the time im trying not to get freaking close cause im a gokitten ranger..

LOL yes just keep nerfing the ranger class till no one plays it anymore…already insignificant as hell in wvw.

Don’t forget SB skill 3 still doesn’t work properly.

Hey Jon. If you still roam ranger boards for giggles when you manage to break ranger more with each patch why not be a good sport a do a rollback on the ‘animation fix’ with the shortbow.
Thanks.

the devs definitly dont give a kitten about what we write here…

AI is still kitten
and every patch we get kittened.
So this time I shelf my ranger for sure.. gonna play thief
not spending another dime in the BLTC
waiting for the next “best” MMO ^^

Oh no? You can’t autoattack with Shortbow anymore, from freaking miles away, while applying 14+ stacks of Bleed? God forbid you actually have to use skills to play.

Ranger Shortbow was by far the most forgiving, braindead, easy-mode way to play in all of GW2. Thank god they changed the range.

Adian.8756:

Oh no? You can’t autoattack with Shortbow anymore, from freaking miles away, while applying 14+ stacks of Bleed? God forbid you actually have to use skills to play.

Ranger Shortbow was by far the most forgiving, braindead, easy-mode way to play in all of GW2. Thank god they changed the range.

Don’t worry , I will help you out. Mesmer forum is that way →

Adian.8756:

Oh no? You can’t autoattack with Shortbow anymore, from freaking miles away, while applying 14+ stacks of Bleed? God forbid you actually have to use skills to play.

Ranger Shortbow was by far the most forgiving, braindead, easy-mode way to play in all of GW2. Thank god they changed the range.

If you have skills, then you are using a different class to do whatever you are doing on your ranger.

Adian.8756:

Oh no? You can’t autoattack with Shortbow anymore, from freaking miles away, while applying 14+ stacks of Bleed? God forbid you actually have to use skills to play.

Ranger Shortbow was by far the most forgiving, braindead, easy-mode way to play in all of GW2. Thank god they changed the range.

I enjoyed a play style.
I invested ingame money and a bit real money in it.
They destroyed my fun with it.
Maybe I am not “as pro” as you are – but I am entitled to my fun.
You sir are frankly no one whose opinion I am interested in.
Good bye

Mardermann.7468:

Adian.8756:

Oh no? You can’t autoattack with Shortbow anymore, from freaking miles away, while applying 14+ stacks of Bleed? God forbid you actually have to use skills to play.

Ranger Shortbow was by far the most forgiving, braindead, easy-mode way to play in all of GW2. Thank god they changed the range.

I enjoyed a play style.
I invested ingame money and a bit real money in it.
They destroyed my fun with it.
Maybe I am not “as pro” as you are – but I am entitled to my fun.
You sir are frankly no one whose opinion I am interested in.
Good bye

Reducing the range by 300 destroyed your fun? If you enjoy spamming 1 from miles away, pick the Longbow. The Shortbows risk/reward-ratio was simply too high. It’s reduced now, which was needed. (Low risk, High reward – to those who didn’t get that).

#Boomstin
Unfortunately, Mesmers are crying as well. Seems to be a general trend around here, every time something OP gets fixed.

Adian.8756:

Oh no? You can’t autoattack with Shortbow anymore, from freaking miles away, while applying 14+ stacks of Bleed? God forbid you actually have to use skills to play.

Ranger Shortbow was by far the most forgiving, braindead, easy-mode way to play in all of GW2. Thank god they changed the range.

Rangers do not stack that much bleed. “Bleed your target if you hit them from behind or from the side.” this is why!!!! Even every NPC in the game pivot’s to face a Ranger as the pet goes behind. Thus, short bow auto attack cannot bleed anything unless it runs away from you. Short bow #4 is a pathetically low powered bleed.

Short bow range being 900 is complete and utter crap

DeWolfe.2174:

Adian.8756:

Oh no? You can’t autoattack with Shortbow anymore, from freaking miles away, while applying 14+ stacks of Bleed? God forbid you actually have to use skills to play.

Ranger Shortbow was by far the most forgiving, braindead, easy-mode way to play in all of GW2. Thank god they changed the range.

Rangers do not stack that much bleed. “Bleed your target if you hit them from behind or from the side.” this is why!!!! Even every NPC in the game pivot’s to face a Ranger as the pet goes behind. Thus, short bow auto attack cannot bleed anything unless it runs away from you. Short bow #4 is a pathetically low powered bleed.

Short bow range being 900 is complete and utter crap

Oh really? Reality begs to differ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceXrxaU-V08

Adian.8756:

Oh really? Reality begs to differ;

You are absolutely correct. Reality does beg to differ. Do you consider standing in the Mists and shooting a stationary golem in the back reality?

Edit: Oh nevermind, I understand now. You’re a proponent of some sort of “New Reality”. I get it.

Adian.8756:

DeWolfe.2174:

Adian.8756:

Oh no? You can’t autoattack with Shortbow anymore, from freaking miles away, while applying 14+ stacks of Bleed? God forbid you actually have to use skills to play.

Ranger Shortbow was by far the most forgiving, braindead, easy-mode way to play in all of GW2. Thank god they changed the range.

Rangers do not stack that much bleed. “Bleed your target if you hit them from behind or from the side.” this is why!!!! Even every NPC in the game pivot’s to face a Ranger as the pet goes behind. Thus, short bow auto attack cannot bleed anything unless it runs away from you. Short bow #4 is a pathetically low powered bleed.

Short bow range being 900 is complete and utter crap

Oh really? Reality begs to differ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceXrxaU-V08

:/ I thought your video was going to prove DeWolfe’s statement wrong. It did not do that at all. You missed his/her point entirely. Please reread their post beyond just the first sentence.

I just don’t understand why they had to nerf the SB.

I just wish I could un-soulbind all of the amazing gear I grinded for, just to try and make the best out of my Ranger since release. Commander tag included. I’m not even talking about the runes, the armors, the plethora of weapons and sigils. Just the Ascended accessories and the 100g+ backpiece I crafted. All those Guild comms, fractal rings, and infusions…totally wasted.

I’ve tried to be patient, and as resilient as possible with every patch….hoping that something would get better on my favorite class for over 8 years. But no. Now my Ranger is a 9+ month old time/money sink.

Necro here I come. :\

Chopps.5047:

I was chasing people down all month (may) using rune of speed! I play 2-4 hours of wvw every day on Jade Quarry. Don’t tell me I don’t know that zergs stop and blast powerful fields just for the swiftness. Zergs snail tail all the time because of slow pokes. Not everyone is running a 25% speed signet or swiftness yet OP writes, and I quote, “I can’t chase ANYONE down anymore”. You are so wrong I’m almost at a loss of words. I think you guys are just haters. You must like to bellyache.

Congratulations, you can kill kittenty players! Ranger is totally viable then!

Adian.8756:

Oh no? You can’t autoattack with Shortbow anymore, from freaking miles away, while applying 14+ stacks of Bleed? God forbid you actually have to use skills to play.

Ranger Shortbow was by far the most forgiving, braindead, easy-mode way to play in all of GW2. Thank god they changed the range.

HAH! The YouTube video link was funny, mainly because you tried to use it as an argument for the short bow nerf. Rangers stack 6-7 bleeds max in PvE, and if you’re fighting a real person, they just face you and you can’t bleed them anymore.

ok..i know this is going to come across as a trololol…but you folks that were condition using SB…switch to an A/T + S/D build and have some fun.

I love my ranger and will never main another class…and i would say ive yet to be beaten in a heads up 1v1. and always last till the end in 5-10 man skirmishes …so dig your heels in and have some fun!

if your stuck on using a bow…maybe we can add a couple more strings to it and make it a harp..then you can roam the borderlands strummin your sad tune 8(

I assume they nerfed SB to make LB more “viable.” Is this logical? It depends on what version of “reality” you subscribe to, I suppose.

As for ranger SB being “OP”… I truly dont know what to say to that.

What it looks like to me is that Anet has balanced each class internally with little to no consideration for what they are doing to other classes. Meaning, if the ranger was the only class in the game, it would indeed make LB more viable. As far as I know though, there actually are other classes in the game :P It makes me wonder if they had different teams working on each class, with limited communication between them.

I guess it does bring it in line with thief SB, but I feel those weapon skills are superior to ranger to begin with. Even with the extra range, I still felt thief SB was stronger.

Im not a fan of how they are making balance changes. It seems like to bring a single build “back in line,” they nerf the entire class. And that goes for every class in the game.

That said, adapt or die truly is the name of the game with an MMO. I have been playing an axe/axe build that I have ended up enjoying quite a bit. Overall, I enjoyed the SB paired with the GS a GREAT amount though, so I cant say I enjoy it as much.

In the end, I have found myself playing other games more recently. It isnt entirely due to this patch, but the patch certainly doesnt help.

Pedra.4381:

Adian.8756:

Oh really? Reality begs to differ;

You are absolutely correct. Reality does beg to differ. Do you consider standing in the Mists and shooting a stationary golem in the back reality?

Edit: Oh nevermind, I understand now. You’re a proponent of some sort of "New Reality". I get it.

While it’s not my video, it does prove that Rangers can apply 14 stacks of bleed by simply autoattacking. That is a fact, and the video proves it. While it’s not always the case with a moving enemy, it still doesn’t change the fact that the Shortbows risk/reward-ratio is the most skewed of any weaponset in the game. Since the Shortbow will also apply poison, cripple, swiftness and evasion, it doesn’t take 5 braincells to spam every skill off CD, and simply walk backwards. And we’re talking 1v1s here. In a larger fight, just target anyone who’s not facing you, and autoattack away.

Also, I’m not sure what my guildname has to do with anything. Way to prove your ignorance!

#SafiMoyo
Read the OP. The entire thread revolved around running away (and chasing), in which case your back would be turned to the ranger.

#Reisinger
You can stack just as much bleed in PvE.

I know I’m speaking for deaf ears, as any GW2 player seems to be incredibly offended every time their precious OP class gets nerfed to par. I’m aware that most people want high rewards for minimal effort (as seen everywhere on these forums), but unfortunately, I can’t support that view. Besides, the nerf was fairly small. The only major difference now, is that other ranged classes can fight back from the same range (ie. Engi, Warrior, Thief). Oh the horror.

Adian.8756:

Pedra.4381:

Adian.8756:

Oh really? Reality begs to differ;

You are absolutely correct. Reality does beg to differ. Do you consider standing in the Mists and shooting a stationary golem in the back reality?

Edit: Oh nevermind, I understand now. You’re a proponent of some sort of “New Reality”. I get it.

While it’s not my video, it does prove that Rangers can apply 14 stacks of bleed by simply autoattacking. That is a fact, and the video proves it. While it’s not always the case with a moving enemy, it still doesn’t change the fact that the Shortbows risk/reward-ratio is the most skewed of any weaponset in the game. Since the Shortbow will also apply poison, cripple, swiftness and evasion, it doesn’t take 5 braincells to spam every skill off CD, and simply walk backwards. And we’re talking 1v1s here. In a larger fight, just target anyone who’s not facing you, and autoattack away.

Also, I’m not sure what my guildname has to do with anything. Way to prove your ignorance!

#SafiMoyo
Read the OP. The entire thread revolved around running away (and chasing), in which case your back would be turned to the ranger.

#Reisinger
You can stack just as much bleed in PvE.

I know I’m speaking for deaf ears, as any GW2 player seems to be incredibly offended every time their precious OP class gets nerfed to par. I’m aware that most people want high rewards for minimal effort (as seen everywhere on these forums), but unfortunately, I can’t support that view. Besides, the nerf was fairly small. The only major difference now, is that other ranged classes can fight back from the same range (ie. Engi, Warrior, Thief). Oh the horror.

Do you even play a Ranger? If someone is running away it’s not our fault his back is towards us. Also range is a Ranger’s best asset like a Warrior’s strength and high health or a Thief’s stealth. The SB’s range was just compensating for that.

Adian.8756:

Since the Shortbow will also apply poison, cripple, swiftness and evasion, it doesn’t take 5 braincells to spam every skill off CD, and simply walk backwards.

On the flip side, it doesnt take 5 braincells to counter that “strategy”…

you cant stack the bleeds simply if the other player has a brain. you have to flank the enemy.

I wonder if you have every played a ranger. To call them OP is pretty much an overstatement and almost anyone can agree with that.

are they useable? yes.
I dont think that made them OP and if you are RUNNING from a ranger in the first place you deserve to die to bleeds ya baddie. Troll more on your mesmer forums but you are prolly taking a break from your tear circle.

condi thief can stack far more bleeds WITHOUT flanking so your arguement is even more invalid. Do you go on their forums and say the same thing? I doubt it, you just want to stir the pot

Does noone that’s complaining about the 900 shortbow range swap weapons? If you’re truly having trouble closing the distance, switch to a weapon backup set that gives you mobility via swoop on the greatsword or sword #2’s combo. I’ve been using GS / axe&axe and have never had trouble keeping someone within the 900 range aside from a good thief / mesmer juke.

[/quote] The only major difference now, is that other ranged classes can fight back from the same range (ie. Engi, Warrior, Thief). Oh the horror.[/quote]

I am a bit puzzled now. But, I like the idea. Now Anet this guy clearly tells you next step is giving rangers same melee abilities/utilities as Warrior, thief, engi. Or wait, maybe even par to mesmer!?

I’m going to try and be nice and civil about this…. deep breathe

A Rifle Warriors auto attack bleeds from any direction, at 1200 range.
An Engi with Grenades can bleed from any direction, at 1500 range.

A Thief, who cares about range on a Thief???
Anyway, on a Thieves Pistol can bleed from any direction at 900 Range.

A Ranger Short Bow though, that can only bleed from behind or sides at 900 range. And, that video is absolutely laughable. Go to Orr and strafe any Risen. Go to WvW and Strafe any NPC. Then you will see they pivot like a top to always face you.

Stop watching Jon Sharps SotG, it’s obviously killing some of your brain cells. And, I really hope his hands are kept away from any further “balancing” in the future. He’s obviously highly biased to Thieves and melee. Contrary to the fact that human’s figured out range is the superior form of combat over 400,000 years ago!

Grrr…..

Adian.8756:

Also, I’m not sure what my guildname has to do with anything. Way to prove your ignorance!

Adian, we are in agreement that a great deal of ignorance has been demonstrated in this thread.

sigh. the heck is anet thinking.

hyjaxxx.1584:

ok..i know this is going to come across as a trololol…but you folks that were condition using SB…switch to an A/T + S/D build and have some fun.

I love my ranger and will never main another class…and i would say ive yet to be beaten in a heads up 1v1. and always last till the end in 5-10 man skirmishes …so dig your heels in and have some fun!

if your stuck on using a bow…maybe we can add a couple more strings to it and make it a harp..then you can roam the borderlands strummin your sad tune 8(

But, but, but then they’d have to weapon swap or -gasp- use a melee weapon to engage and their shortbow to chase. They might actually have to move!

Come on man. Ranger forum users can’t be bothered to do that.

The better ones are too busy discussing the finer art of using shortbow/longbow on swap and how to rez faster in the middle of combat.

To suggest anything more is to be a pr0 troll, apparently.

/shrug

You forget the part of OBSTRUCTED or completely missing the target.

Pedra.4381:

Adian.8756:

Also, I’m not sure what my guildname has to do with anything. Way to prove your ignorance!

Adian, we are in agreement that a great deal of ignorance has been demonstrated in this thread.

That we are. Agreeing with the change apparently makes me the worst person on earth. It’s funny how defensive people can get about something this minor.

Wvw was too laggy last night as the fight my guild was working on revolved around skill lag and garrison

Adian.8756:

That we are. Agreeing with the change apparently makes me the worst person on earth. It’s funny how defensive people can get about something this minor.

Now, now, don’t be silly. Unless you also commit genocide, or are a serial killer in your spare time, I don’t think you really come close to worst person on earth.

It just means you’re a really bad ranger and don’t understand the class. Hardly something you should be executed or even thrown in jail for. If you keep trying hard enough you’ll learn, eventually.

Facetiousness aside, the shortbow nerf was devastating and yes, if you can’t see why you are a bad ranger. It was our premier ranged weapon for a reason. It was a 1200 ranged weapon that didn’t hit like wet noodles and had half-decent defense. Yes, everyone and their mother used it, but the problem was never that shortbow was “broken op!”, but instead it was our only ranged weapon without serious issues.

The current options are all varying degrees of bad. Axes are absolute junk as power weapons and lack defensive options even as condition weapons, and are just 900 range as well. Longbow is a power weapon that has horrid defense and only hits for anything noticeable at near max range (with no real tools to keep you there), and is trashtastic as a condition weapon. And… Nothing. That’s it. That’s all we have.

So basically our only “good” option got nerfed without any reason or compensation. Especially in WvW that 1200 range is so very important.

If Shortbow is to remain 900 range, which I can see as an option, then it needs its damage buffed up. Significantly. Not 14% on 3 utility skills that do no kittening damage anyways. And Longbow needs to be buffed to be a decent 1200 (or get baseline 1500) range weapon, so we actually have decent long range options.

or just make the longbow a condition weapon as well tee hee hee

I can only interpret ANet’s move with the shortbow like this: A dev wakes up one morning and screams: let’s buff longbow by making short bow less appealing to use at range. Number of steps into thought process: two.

1. Buff to longbow … yay.
2. Reduce range on short bow, but give it an attack buff… yay.
3. Get coffee… yay.
4. Bagels… yay.

They could have simply done the changes to longbow and kept the short bow the way it was. As far as I understand it, short bow is the only stable ranged weapon that we as rangers possess. Now, the real reason behind nerfing short bow’s range is intriguing. Did they stress test enough in PvE, PvP and WvW that they determined that a change was needed? Is this truly a fair change for rangers? Why can’t short bows have a projectile fall off effect like longbow does? That could easily compensate for loss of range, by making the projectile slower at over 900 range… or whatever range is deemed to be at fall off.

1. CETheLucid.3964

It’s not that I don’t switch weapons in WVW, it’s that I can’t compete with classes that can have near perma swiftness (unless traited now).