Sigil proc and pets. Something changed?

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Posted by: ItIsFinished.9462

ItIsFinished.9462

I’m not sure if this is something I missed over the last 30 ranks or if this is something new. Last night I was fighting a ranger who had the Longbow /w Sigil of Fire equipped. His pet(wolf) was proc’ing a Fire Blast on some of his attacks. I made sure that it wasn’t from his bow by running around a corner and letting his pet follow me and sure enough when he hit the Fire Blast animation hit and I had 1.5 seconds of Burning condition on me. Is some of the Sigil bonuses carried over to our pets to a ninja buff?

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Posted by: Infernia.9847

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Are you sure he didn’t have a sun spirit out? They have a chance to proc burning to allies, which I am not sure if the pet is considered an ally or not.
Sorry I’m no expert and I’m sure someone of much more knowledge will reply. I just wondered if it was a possibility that the ranger was using a spirit.

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Posted by: ItIsFinished.9462

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That was the first thing I thought of. I didn’t see any Spirits out. Now that doesn’t mean that there wasn’t one hiding around a corner…but I definitely didn’t see one. I stayed on that server for 3 or 4 rounds following him, trying to figure out he was doing it. I finally pm’ed him asking if he was using Sigil of Fire, he said yes.

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

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If it were a sun spirit there’d be no animation behind the burning it’d just go, “oh look you’re now on fire!” Instead of Sigil of Flames explosion of fire.

If these are proccing off of pets now I may just start using these! Only reason I wasn’t was due to my abysmal crit chance….

Edit: Also, if it were a spirit you’d see the gold/yellow Sun Spirit buff where his boons and condis are, so I doubt it was a spirit.

The real question is, were we buffed? Or is this a bug? If we were buffed this could open up A LOT of possible builds…

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Posted by: Manekk.6981

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It has to be the spirit, sigil of fire does direct damage not burning conditions.

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Posted by: slingblade.1437

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I’m not optimistic we did get such a buff, but I’d be thrilled if we did as this is one of my gripes about Rangers, i.e., that one of our “weapons” doesn’t get the benefit of our sigils.

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

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Ok so i went into the mists to test this with a cat and bird (highest crit) as well as my fern hound, and i didn’t get a single proc off of sigil of the fire over the course of 15 minutes of my pet auto attacking golems.

There is NO way it was the pet, it must’ve been the ranger or another player if you were seeing the flame blast effect. If you were simply burning it was the spirit.

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Posted by: jcbroe.4329

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Maybe (unfortunately I can’t test this right now, so sorry it’s just a hypothesis) the sigil of fire procs on your pet and you at the same time?
What I mean is, have your pet attack a target, then you attack a different target, and then watch to see if it procs on the pet at the same time it procs for you.

I’m not exactly sure how the people who tested it went about doing it, but my theory on this stems from the idea that the sigil of fire is still an extension of the weapon, so the weapon itself would still have to be in active use to create the proc. But that doesn’t mean that when it is in use, the pet can’t proc it when you do (or however they could have coded it to work in this manner, I would test it myself if I could).

If this isn’t resolved tomorrow I’ll have it tested myself around 8pm EST.

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

Maybe (unfortunately I can’t test this right now, so sorry it’s just a hypothesis) the sigil of fire procs on your pet and you at the same time?
What I mean is, have your pet attack a target, then you attack a different target, and then watch to see if it procs on the pet at the same time it procs for you.

I’m not exactly sure how the people who tested it went about doing it, but my theory on this stems from the idea that the sigil of fire is still an extension of the weapon, so the weapon itself would still have to be in active use to create the proc. But that doesn’t mean that when it is in use, the pet can’t proc it when you do (or however they could have coded it to work in this manner, I would test it myself if I could).

If this isn’t resolved tomorrow I’ll have it tested myself around 8pm EST.

I tested this as well, I also tried it with piercing arrows, barrage, axes, dagger, sword, torch, GS, spear, harpoon gun, literally every way I could think of and nothing, it -only- procs on one target and -only- procs from you because your pet doesn’t have sigils.

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Posted by: Manekk.6981

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Just a possibility did you by any chance get attacked by hawks? because the warhorn hawks have a chance to proc the sigil (and almost certainly does if not on CD) for each of the little hawks swooping down, that is a possibility or maybe even more so you simply lagged, only a few minutes ago I had a similar thing in a skirmish with a warrior his last hit’s damage popped up as I was running away from his corpse.

Also again I would like to point out sigil of fire does not cause a burning condition so that is not the sigil you see.

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Posted by: Leo G.4501

Leo G.4501

Could it be a rune effect then?

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Posted by: ItIsFinished.9462

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I really wish I had talked to the guy and asked about rune choice. It was late at night and I was tired. He was using the grey wolf. It’s possible it was from a rune set he was wearing. I did pm him and ask if he was wearing Sigil of Fire and he did say yes. So if after some testing with Sigil of Fire and no results…it had to of been from a rune set? I haven’t been able to play for a couple of days

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Posted by: Leo G.4501

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On a whim, I logged in and tried runes of Balthazar in the mists which says it applies burning to nearby foes when you heal. I tried it and it only procc’ed around me, not my wolf. I tried all 3 of the heals and none applied burning except around me, in or out of combat.

Didn’t get a chance to try any other runes but the only gear that applies burning, according to the wiki, are Balthazar, Flame Legion, Forge and Guardian runes or the consumable vegetable soup and bean chili. The wiki might not be complete but the only other things I could think that could cause an NPC to cause burning are perhaps some guardian buffs (I think there’s one that allows your allies to cause burning on hit) and sun spirit.

If you’re unsure if there was a spirit around or unaware of whatever buffs that wolf would have had then it was likely Sun Spirit. When buffed by sun spirit, a little yellow sun icon appears next to their buffs under their bar.

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Posted by: alemfi.5107

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It has to be the spirit, sigil of fire does direct damage not burning conditions.

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Posted by: jcbroe.4329

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Maybe (unfortunately I can’t test this right now, so sorry it’s just a hypothesis) the sigil of fire procs on your pet and you at the same time?
What I mean is, have your pet attack a target, then you attack a different target, and then watch to see if it procs on the pet at the same time it procs for you.

I’m not exactly sure how the people who tested it went about doing it, but my theory on this stems from the idea that the sigil of fire is still an extension of the weapon, so the weapon itself would still have to be in active use to create the proc. But that doesn’t mean that when it is in use, the pet can’t proc it when you do (or however they could have coded it to work in this manner, I would test it myself if I could).

If this isn’t resolved tomorrow I’ll have it tested myself around 8pm EST.

I tested this as well, I also tried it with piercing arrows, barrage, axes, dagger, sword, torch, GS, spear, harpoon gun, literally every way I could think of and nothing, it -only- procs on one target and -only- procs from you because your pet doesn’t have sigils.

Nice, good to hear it was tested. It’s a shame it doesn’t proc for out pet though. It would add so much to the pet mechanic. I’m sure there would have to be some programming logic in there somewhere to make sure it doesn’t proc for both you and your pet at the same time, or that would be OP. I guess I can see how it would be OP regardless, since our pets share separate stat allocations, but it would be nice if there was some sort of way to have the option to apply procs to any of our pets crits (and not just that one trait, for only bleeding).

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