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Seriously, these guys can keep distance, they’ve stealth, deal tons of damage, have area denial and can soak an ungodly amount of damage.

There’s no hard counter to them and even the spirits take forever to kill.

Please reduce nerf either their damage, the spirit health, their cc or stealth.

They have 1 stun break which is a trait on a looong cd and no access to stability, go figure.

Mcrocha.3891:

They have 1 stun break which is a trait on a looong cd and no access to stability, go figure.

OH GREAT! So to beat them you need another OP class, the perma stunning, ever regenerating warrior. That’s dandy.

Troll detected.

Bud.5617:

Mcrocha.3891:

They have 1 stun break which is a trait on a looong cd and no access to stability, go figure.

OH GREAT! So to beat them you need another OP class, the perma stunning, ever regenerating warrior. That’s dandy.

Hey bud, flexes your bridge is that way points.

Not off to a good start, OP.

Here is your current matchup guide with meta builds: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Meta-Build-1v1-Matchup-Chart-Project-8-10-13/first

Please note that this is the most accurate and up to date match chart, and that rangers have an equal amount of beneficial matchups, if not less than a few other classes.

In terms of tiers of unkillable/unbeatable, ranger is middle of the pack (Guardian, Necro, Warrior, Engineer, Ranger, …)

I think that’s just about /thread, especially since there is already information on topics like this (I just posted a link to one of those sources).

RyuDragnier.9476:

Troll detected.

Back to the spvp forums with you, you can go swim in tears over there with the rest of em!

swiftpaw.6397:

Back to the spvp forums with you, you can go swim in tears over there with the rest of em!

But look at the chart! Lol. The ranger only has the advantage against 2 classes apparently. Which means that there are just a lot of people who don’t play their class to a high enough standard ha. It’s too bad I get infracted every time I tell people it’s a skill issue and they need to L2P.

Spirit Rangers dont have stealth.
The spirits die in 1-2 AoEs.
0-1 Stunbreaks, depending on how many spirits you want.
spirit active effects cannot be used on targets and spirits location is not controllable, they take ages to finish and almost never actually hit something (exception: 5v5 zerg)

Well, technically they can get 3s of stealth of the run lolbow. Only time it’s worth it is skyhammer though really >_>

swiftpaw.6397:

Well, technically they can get 3s of stealth of the run lolbow. Only time it’s worth it is skyhammer though really >_>

Have to admit that I don’t see that many spirit rangers with longbows.. :/ Normal setup for spirits is Shortbow + Sword/Torch or something, no?

You can run spirits with longbow/remorseless with valkryie and do quite well, maybe that’s why she had longbow?

You know, PvP players rarely ever had a consensus, so when there’s one, you can almost be certain that it’s true.

And so far… spirit ranger is at the top of the list of all things OP and every single, repeat every single poster in there practically agrees.

Here take a look https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/A-serious-post-on-the-meta/first

So yeah time for some “fixing” – devs please restore balance. For something this brain dead to play, the reward shouldn’t be so good.

These guys are super tanky, they don’t need to dodge, don’t need to aim or target, while dealing insane AoE/cc/condi and damage. Something gotta go. The other lesser classes have to aim, dodge, maintain los, pick between damage or survival, but not all of the above.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Troll detected.

WHY are they OP? HOW would you fix them?

From all the complaints, it looks like the real problem is just condition spam and bunker builds… which have been the primary complaint for 6 months now?

Bud.5617:

Seriously, these guys can keep distance, they’ve stealth, deal tons of damage, have area denial and can soak an ungodly amount of damage.

There’s no hard counter to them and even the spirits take forever to kill.

Please reduce nerf either their damage, the spirit health, their cc or stealth.

You also left out that we can: bench press two bears at once, walk on water, shark pets dedicate a week to us, Lyssa calls us for dates, we swim after eating, Ascalon ghosts sit around fires and tell stories about us, we teach Krytan drake hounds to bark in Canthan, we talk about fight club, we grant genies 3 wishes and only a ranger has swum across the Crystal Desert.

Bud.5617:

Mcrocha.3891:

They have 1 stun break which is a trait on a looong cd and no access to stability, go figure.

OH GREAT! So to beat them you need another OP class, the perma stunning, ever regenerating warrior. That’s dandy.

You forgot to mention necro conditions, mesmer blinks, invis’, engineer god like skills, thief bursts, elementalist healing, and guardian survivability

As a ranger I can say OP is correct. As it stands Spirit cond ranger is prob 2nd best in the meta just behind MM necro. I know this because I switched from my regular power gs build to try out spirit cond ranger with shamans gear. Face rolled everyone I came across(even phant mes) but lost to a good necro. Its really not that hard to play one, just go s/t a/d (evade on both swaps) spam tons of conds and spam spirit skills when their up(who actually aims that lol) Go something like 10/0/0/30/30 and not only will you not die you will just melt the toughest armored opponents esp if they are stupid enough to sit in bonfire for a few seconds. Spirit Cond builds are so much stronger then any power ranger builds it leave for a very 1 sided playstyle for our class. Yeah yeah they nerfed bm and gave us some treats and now they are prob gonna take those away too but whatever. Im tired of seeing these guys everywhere in spvp thinking they are the kitten, Id gladly take a nerf here if they decide to nerf the OP as hell healing signet on the war and finally JUST MAYBE show power ranger some love.

aswell as cc warrior, condi necro, s/d thief, bunker guardian, dps elem, bomb engin.
so only mes looks a litle bit bad atm.

nerf all of them and only give them one auto attack, so finaly all can play the game

Pretty arrogant of you to assume that everyone does sPvP.

Expiatus.4210:

Bud.5617:

Seriously, these guys can keep distance, they’ve stealth, deal tons of damage, have area denial and can soak an ungodly amount of damage.

There’s no hard counter to them and even the spirits take forever to kill.

Please reduce nerf either their damage, the spirit health, their cc or stealth.

You also left out that we can: bench press two bears at once, walk on water, shark pets dedicate a week to us, Lyssa calls us for dates, we swim after eating, Ascalon ghosts sit around fires and tell stories about us, we teach Krytan drake hounds to bark in Canthan, we talk about fight club, we grant genies 3 wishes and only a ranger has swum across the Crystal Desert.

That really made me chuckle.

I don’t think referencing a post to a guy that cries every time a different spec beats his own is a good place to start lol. That’s not fact, that’s anecdote, and because he has a position on the leaderboards he thinks he’s an expert. Playing a lot != playing well, and everybody has their own bias, especially when every build has a bad matchup against something else out there.

@Mods, am I allowed to say L2P without being infracted yet? Sometimes it really is the only answer to a persons problem, and I’m legitimately not flaming anybody.

Oh great it’s always an L2P issue when some build is overpowered. Of course the guy in the overpowered build, don’t need to L2P since they have their “Ez” and “I Win” buttons in their skill bar.

That post wasn’t the only one. Take this for example: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/The-biggest-issue-with-TPvP/first#post2613896

All other classes have to dance and jump around naked for a win, while the ranger simply press random buttons to get top score. How is that for balance? Really? How about nerf rangers so their players will learn to play as you so eloquently put it.

I’ve still yet to see a single person explain how Spirit Rangers are overpowered or what they did to magically make them overpowered.

Let’s try learning how to stop using anecdotal, and therefore biased, references. Scoreboards in games also show nothing. No k/d, no defends, no captures. The ranger could have sat at the enemies spawn tagging enemy team players while their team finished them off and got that score.

Again, no indicator.

There are extremely good quotes all over the place that ACTUALLY explain what’s wrong (hint: even in the topic that I posted, there are good quotes for the case against spirit rangers).

I’m pointing out that

1) telling stories that are basically just “one time, at band camp…” aren’t indicative of balance as standalone cases. It takes a larger sample size than just one guy saying something is too strong.

and that

2) you’re on the wrong forum. You’re shouting at rangers that their build is annoying and they deserve to be nerfed, knowing full well that every single profession subforum is a place filled with negativity and discussion of if that class can get better, not worse. So coming to the ranger forum and saying nerf a ranger build is like shouting at a black guy that he shouldn’t be black; it is just a complete and total waste of energy and completely and totally inefficient.

And, when I say it’s a L2P issue, it’s because of the comment that there is no hard counter, when in fact, there are multiple hard counters to the build, but they aren’t necessarily part of the meta team comp so those options are opted out of (like sending your necro to a sidepoint to 1v1 a ranger because they have the advantage, even though the necro is more needed on home point).

And that is truly the end of this topic. The point has been made, there are truths, there are exaggerations, and there are agreeing and dissenting opinions. However, ultimately, a specific professions subforum is not the place to be discussing overall class balance.

Nerf away, I don’t care. But only for sPvP yea?

Would be the first ranger nerf I wouldn’t really care about. I find spirit builds boring and the unresponsive spirits are annoying. I already have an unresponsive pet, I don’t need 3 or 4 more.

As long as they (for once) only nerf crap in PvP, who cares? Something that affects 10% or less than the playerbase? Nerf away! It’s when the 5v5 node capture babies cry and get the rest of the population screwed over that I get upset.

Remember, the PvP crowd won’t be content till all the classes have the same attacks, HP, armour and movement speed. It’s the nature of PvP to seek “everyone is equal.” I’m always amazed that they don’t simply play CoD or Mortal Kombat, and leave the rest of us alone.

Spirit rangers are OP now?

Dangggg. I’ve been unable to log in for a month thinking “hey, how much can change?” Hah.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Spirit rangers are OP now?

Dangggg. I’ve been unable to log in for a month thinking “hey, how much can change?” Hah.

Spirit rangers haven’t changed. They are still pathetic in wvw and pve. People just have a hard time dealing with them in spvp.

kiwituatara.6053:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Spirit rangers are OP now?

Dangggg. I’ve been unable to log in for a month thinking “hey, how much can change?” Hah.

Spirit rangers haven’t changed. They are still pathetic in wvw and pve. People just have a hard time dealing with them in spvp.

That’s nothing to do with the skills or build though, and everything to do with PvP being the node control mini-game that it is.

Atherakhia.4086:

WHY are they OP? HOW would you fix them?

From all the complaints, it looks like the real problem is just condition spam and bunker builds… which have been the primary complaint for 6 months now?

It’s not that they have a single skill that is overpowered by itself.. It’s the combination of skills that make them a very strong opponent.
- They can keep burning and poison up and running with ease.
- The pets draw the conditions from the ranger
- Sword evade skills
- Great boons from spirits.

This combination makes them very hard to kill while they have access to burning and poison which they can keep up pretty much all the time. They just have to evade like a freak and reapply them the whole fight.
You can’t outheal the insane amount of burning damage because the poison just screws you over.

It’s an extremely easy thing to do. While you have to time things perfectly with other classes, a spirit ranger doesn’t have to do much work to succeed and has a lot of room for failure.

Ummm…Rangers could always pretty much have close to 100% burning anyway thanks to Torch.

i don’t see how Spirits having it magically made them stronger.

The Boons from Spirits, you get Protection (Again a lot of classes can do this, Guardians/Ele’s/Engineer’s can all give protection or already perma have it) and Swiftness.. which we all know Swiftness is Perma as well on most classes

so i’m not seeing what a lot of people are crying about..

What i think is happening is they just don’t like our 240 Spirit Elite..

This topic needs moving to the spvp section as it only relates to that- it has nothing to do with 90% of the game.

By all means nerf whatever you like Anet FOR SPVP only, but this really doesn’t need a nerf for pve or wvw.

I’ve run into one of these in wvw on my zerk LB/SB ranger and he melted me in seconds- but then a decent thief can do the same, a decent d/d ele, etc as my zerk is built purely as a camp capper and zerg supporter- sure I can beat some people on it, but the point I’m making is that I’m not complaining about the spirit ranger.

Spirit ranger is totally useless defending a tower/attacking a tower or in any group situation where more than 10 meet 10, as the spirits are gone within seconds.

I wish Anet would separate spvp skills from the rest of the game so they can adjust them to their hearts content without kitten ing off 90% of the player base that has no interest in guarding or capturing a node and building almost solely for 1v1 or 1v2 attrition battles.

Xsorus.2507:

I’ve still yet to see a single person explain how Spirit Rangers are overpowered or what they did to magically make them overpowered.

Offense:
- Awesome burn uptime due to Sun Spirit passive proc not only on the Ranger but to the pet add to that Torch skills (if equipped with Torch)

- Poison from Sword Main and/or Shortbow

- Occasional 3k-ish hit with Storm Spirit Active every 20 secs regardless of Ranger spec.

Defense and Survivability:
- Decent Protection uptime due to Stone Spirit passive

- Evades evades evades

- Body blocking from spirits add to that difficulty in keeping Ranger target-locked if regularly stealthing with Longbow skill and the crapy targetting system (which of course is a game issue and not the build itself). I think this is the most annoying aspect with the build IMO.

Support:
- Spirit passive not only affects ranger but allies.

- Elite that resses and heals.

And yes, Spirit Rangers are currently OP in the sPVP format. When facing a Spirit Ranger in 1v1, if you ain’t Skullcrack Warrior with Berserker Stance, you either run away, struggle to survive until backup arrives, or bend over.

minion master builds never balanced. in wvw they are useless, in pvp they are op. if the devs give power to players skill gamestile minion skills become useless. otherwise they become op because easy to play. minions do the job.
my oppinion is devs need to remake spirits and pets.

Well isn’t this thread just a ball of love?

Bud.5617:

Seriously, these guys can keep distance, they’ve stealth, deal tons of damage, have area denial and can soak an ungodly amount of damage.

There’s no hard counter to them and even the spirits take forever to kill.

Please reduce nerf either their damage, the spirit health, their cc or stealth.

I Find this quite Interesting and Shocking

OP. you are a Thief in Disguise

See thread Thief WvW Help
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-WvW-Help

Op I advise you, next time do a Better job Disguising your True Nature and your True Intents;

which is to continue your Rise to Extreme Grandiosity to Complete Demolish any Capable Class who Resists your Oppresion, Bullying and Tyranny

We Rangers had Enough of your Arena net given Supreme Powers

For Once; Leave us Alone.. . Stop Wasting Your Time in our forums.

Conttinue your Arena net given Mission for Guild Wars 2 Complete World and Class Domination and Eradication

At All Costs

Bud.5617:

Seriously, these guys can keep distance, they’ve stealth, deal tons of damage, have area denial and can soak an ungodly amount of damage.

There’s no hard counter to them and even the spirits take forever to kill.

Please reduce nerf either their damage, the spirit health, their cc or stealth.

Grenade/Bomb Engi, Minion Master, Current Necro Meta Buiild of AoE condi death, any CC heavy build, like a mace/shield + GS warrior (god it’s just sad watching them fight that combo), just about any ele build minus fresh air (unless they’re using a more AoE focused version, i’ve yet to see one yet), phantasm mesmers, shatter mesmers.

Learn to Build Wars.

Durzlla.6295:

Bud.5617:

Seriously, these guys can keep distance, they’ve stealth, deal tons of damage, have area denial and can soak an ungodly amount of damage.

There’s no hard counter to them and even the spirits take forever to kill.

Please reduce nerf either their damage, the spirit health, their cc or stealth.

Grenade/Bomb Engi, Minion Master, Current Necro Meta Buiild of AoE condi death, any CC heavy build, like a mace/shield + GS warrior (god it’s just sad watching them fight that combo), just about any ele build minus fresh air (unless they’re using a more AoE focused version, i’ve yet to see one yet), phantasm mesmers, shatter mesmers.

Learn to Build Wars.

Ah but you forget Durzlla, whether it’s pve or pvp, there will always be the ‘I play how I want!’ mantra chanted throughout the corridors of mediocre players. These are the people who expect to run the same build and win no matter what, they wont change up to counter something, they’ll just get mad and cry OP till it’s nerfed so they can continue on playing how they want.

swiftpaw.6397:

Durzlla.6295:

Bud.5617:

Seriously, these guys can keep distance, they’ve stealth, deal tons of damage, have area denial and can soak an ungodly amount of damage.

There’s no hard counter to them and even the spirits take forever to kill.

Please reduce nerf either their damage, the spirit health, their cc or stealth.

Grenade/Bomb Engi, Minion Master, Current Necro Meta Buiild of AoE condi death, any CC heavy build, like a mace/shield + GS warrior (god it’s just sad watching them fight that combo), just about any ele build minus fresh air (unless they’re using a more AoE focused version, i’ve yet to see one yet), phantasm mesmers, shatter mesmers.

Learn to Build Wars.

Ah but you forget Durzlla, whether it’s pve or pvp, there will always be the ‘I play how I want!’ mantra chanted throughout the corridors of mediocre players. These are the people who expect to run the same build and win no matter what, they wont change up to counter something, they’ll just get mad and cry OP till it’s nerfed so they can continue on playing how they want.

Oh god i know, and then they seem all surprised when you say something like “This build can’t beat yours” and so you change up your build and stomp them.

I have a solution, do away with Spvp.

Problem solved.

Expiatus.4210:

Bud.5617:

Seriously, these guys can keep distance, they’ve stealth, deal tons of damage, have area denial and can soak an ungodly amount of damage.

There’s no hard counter to them and even the spirits take forever to kill.

Please reduce nerf either their damage, the spirit health, their cc or stealth.

You also left out that we can: bench press two bears at once, walk on water, shark pets dedicate a week to us, Lyssa calls us for dates, we swim after eating, Ascalon ghosts sit around fires and tell stories about us, we teach Krytan drake hounds to bark in Canthan, we talk about fight club, we grant genies 3 wishes and only a ranger has swum across the Crystal Desert.

You, sir, are magnificent.

/hats off

Range and/or AoE counters spirits pretty effectively…yes they are tough, but so are other professions/builds, but they are definitely not OP. You just need counter them in a specific way, which is true for other so-called OP builds.

That said, in PvP, in terms of team fights, 2v2 especially, a good guardian and spirit ranger can be very hard to beat, to the point of being impossible. Fortunately, you don’t need to cap all three points to win, so this isn’t a real issue.

The problem is it takes no skill to play spirit rangers, but it takes a lot of skills and exotic builds (that’s practically useless vs. anything else) to outplay them.

That’s where the cry for nerf is coming from. Its risk vs. reward is out of range, and needs to be toned down to match that of other classes.

Oh as for asking to nerf a class in their own forum. Get used to it. All other classes had their share of critiques also, have you never been to other classes forums? Or is the ranger so special to be beyond reproach? I think not.

wow I’m Shocked!!!!! Since when are rangers Op??? LOL are you kidding me? if you think we are op and you are a thief then you suck big!

every patch we rangers lose something! Ever since the game started to this day Arena net has taken so much from us eventually we going to be useless!! plus compared to other classes you can see our attacks so you can predict what we doing and dodge or hide from us on the ground, wall, stone, even a tree… like i said if you cant deal with us you really need to check GW2 thief Spvp FOR DUMMIES!

The spirit ranger may be op, the bandwagon has JUST recently begun though so over the next few days/weeks you may see more rangers popping up from nowhere.