Guild Wars 2

The greatsword has been buffed. That’s a positive change. Your argument is now invalid.

Arekai.5698:

But there are no positive changes and there haven’t been positive changes in the last 6 months and there will never be positive changes?
This thread is pointless.

Look, it’s understandable that you have your own opinion. It’s completely understandable that you’re upset by the recent changes. (Your opinion is wrong by the way, because Rangers did have a “positive change”, like the GS buff.)

However, please do refrain from derailing this thread and shoving your opinion down other people’s throats. We’re just trying to have a discussion on how the major changes (quickness, GS buff) affect our builds. There are plenty of other threads in which you can express your opinions without being off-topic. This isn’t one of them.

Arekai.5698:

Chopps.5047:

This is a thread for remarking on the positive changes rangers have and the builds they enable.

But there are no positive changes and there haven’t been positive changes in the last 6 months and there will never be positive changes?
This thread is pointless.

QQ Mooooooom, I didn’t get the buufffss I waaaaaanted.

One day you might stop crying and actually open your eyes because there ARE positive changes. It is fun to see how maybe 10% of ranger players in this forum actually have the ability to get over it and try out the stuff that got buffed. 90% do nothing but cry like babies.

Every single profession forum looks exactly like this one. Id even go so far as to say that the same applies for every MMO I have ever played. I think its some victim mentality, or something. The ranger needs some work, but from day 1, I have never felt it was as weak as implied. The same goes for every class. I mean, go look in the ele forums, the warrior forums, etc. All of them likely have at least one thread a page that are complaining about how weak the class is. I think sometimes people try too hard to make a class that doesnt jive with them.. jive with them.

I have found this build to be very effective in all encounters in WvW and PvE. The only time it falls short is when I get swamped by 10+ people since there arent many escape options. Yes, I still die in some 1v1, but I also win some 1v5 and everything in between. I also find fantastic group utility, and tend to be a major force multiplier through skills like healing spring and even elixir of heroes. The most important part about this build though, is that I designed it specifically around me and how I play. While I found your typical BM specs effective, they didnt work with my brain (for lack of better words :P ), so for me, they were considerably less effective.

I find that in personalizing builds, I can complement my own weaknesses and strengths through the character. The downside is that it can also take significant amounts of time to slowly whittle away what works best for me personally. I take immense enjoyment in that process, but it definitely doesnt appeal to everyone.

Tuluum.9638:

Every single profession forum looks exactly like this one. Id even go so far as to say that the same applies for every MMO I have ever played. I think its some victim mentality, or something. The ranger needs some work, but from day 1, I have never felt it was as weak as implied. The same goes for every class. I mean, go look in the ele forums, the warrior forums, etc. All of them likely have at least one thread a page that are complaining about how weak the class is. I think sometimes people try too hard to make a class that doesnt jive with them.. jive with them.

I have found this build to be very effective in all encounters in WvW and PvE. The only time it falls short is when I get swamped by 10+ people since there arent many escape options. Yes, I still die in some 1v1, but I also win some 1v5 and everything in between. I also find fantastic group utility, and tend to be a major force multiplier through skills like healing spring and even elixir of heroes. The most important part about this build though, is that I designed it specifically around me and how I play. While I found your typical BM specs effective, they didnt work with my brain (for lack of better words :P ), so for me, they were considerably less effective.

I find that in personalizing builds, I can complement my own weaknesses and strengths through the character. The downside is that it can also take significant amounts of time to slowly whittle away what works best for me personally. I take immense enjoyment in that process, but it definitely doesnt appeal to everyone.

Good post. I agree most game forums end up this way. It is never a surprise that devs stop posting in them. No win for them to do so.

“(Your opinion is wrong by the way, because Rangers did have a “positive change”, like the GS buff.)”

I laughed at this, people aren’t crying about buffs, it’s the type of buffs that are getting applied to our class instead of ignoring the TRULY important issues that are wrong with the class, which has been stated numerous times with numbers, equations and sound, reasonable logic and explanations on why they need to be fixed AND have also been stated by several devs over 5 MONTHS AGO only in the end to get ignored in favor of THESE gs buffs that do absolutely nothing but taking us a step closer to when it was nerfed in beta in the first place (which people will complain and it may get adjusted yet again). The fact remains, pets are still garbage, longbow is still garbage, signets, spirits, you name it and since the whole crossfire nerf fiasco where they tried to say they fixed an animation glitch then later came out and said that they really did end up nerfing the crossfire because they didn’t want people spamming 1 (lol?) all the time I have really lost faith in the development direction atleast for the ranger and judging by the other forums now and how kitten they are, for alot of other classes as well. It is good (and sad) to see some other class forums with some threads wondering what happened to their class, although the ranger forum has been like that since beta.

I think everyone can agree here that the greatsword buffs were great, but it doesn’t do anything fundamentally for us as a class, it’s simply their justification for the shortcomings we have in 90% of the other areas. That’s all.

Most rangers don’t play on the truly pro level in pvp, not trying to brag or anything but I’m referring on the level about tpvping with rank 50+ teams who know their kitten and know true team strategy and how their class works 100%, im talking about dueling with people of the best of their class on their server (which i do regularly), im talking about high end zerg play involving complex scenarios , use of combo fields, use of positional strategy which we also deal with. I’m talking at the top level. Most rangers in here haven’t even gotten there yet, and it’s sad to see people delusionally talking about these nerfs as if it’s alright. It’s not when you’re on the top level as a ranger, the kitten hurts, ALOT.

A viable mechanic for the ranger was taken away also in the context of quick reviving, I thought personally ability in tpvp to do this was crucial and separated my class with others. I could pet swap , get quickness , fear people around and me (wolf pet) get a chance to revive someone. People say that’s op , I call it a strategy and a unique one to the ranger but whatever especially since you can dodge canine f2’s and their graphic is so obvious you’d have to be blind to not see it.

Personally, as a power / crit trap ranger running 0/0/30/30/5/5 I didn’t get affected by much of this at all, the quickness I get from pet swa kitten till good, just not as good and the f2 cooldown fix hurt as well, but I have found in dueling atleast that I wait about this long ANYWAY to switch off and use f2, there was 2 scenarios where i needed to wait 5 seconds to get my wolf f2 back , but that’s it… All in all. Personally for me, the changes haven’t hurt me much. But that doesn’t mean I don’t care of the direction that these patches are headed.

But I think that’s what people are more mad about, it’s not that the buffs weren’t bad, they weren’t great either and it’s the direction of the fixes being put in place that I think people are both confused, and annoyed about.

Ryan.8367:

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Thanks for the wall of text. It’s also completely off-topic and doesn’t change the fact that his statement (Ranger has no positive changes) is false.

Again, it’s great that you have an opinion on what’s wrong with the Ranger. You should make a new topic about it though and express your opinions there. This isn’t the topic to do it though, we just want to discuss the implications the changes bring to our current builds.

Dojo.1867:

Arekai.5698:

Chopps.5047:

This is a thread for remarking on the positive changes rangers have and the builds they enable.

But there are no positive changes and there haven’t been positive changes in the last 6 months and there will never be positive changes?
This thread is pointless.

QQ Mooooooom, I didn’t get the buufffss I waaaaaanted.

One day you might stop crying and actually open your eyes because there ARE positive changes. It is fun to see how maybe 10% of ranger players in this forum actually have the ability to get over it and try out the stuff that got buffed. 90% do nothing but cry like babies.

Let’s play a game.
You show me positive changes.
I show you negative changes.

You in? I’ll start. BWE 1, 50% damage nerf on greatsword.

Your turn.

“Thanks for the wall of text. It’s also completely off-topic and doesn’t change the fact that his statement (Ranger has no positive changes) is false.”

Thanks for a very un-thoughtful response post that provides no real discussion to the matter at hand though while in the same thread trying to claim my text as just a ‘wall of text’.

Ryan.8367:

“Thanks for the wall of text. It’s also completely off-topic and doesn’t change the fact that his statement (Ranger has no positive changes) is false.”

Thanks for a very un-thoughtful response post that provides no real discussion to the matter at hand though while in the same thread trying to claim my text as just a ‘wall of text’.

Your post, by definition of containing so much text, is a “wall of text.” Very thoughtful, yes. But there’s plenty of other threads that already are discussing the overall state of the Ranger to death. It’s also very amusing to me to point out that, while you quoted my post, I don’t disagree/agree with any of what you state. All my quoted post was saying that it’s an absolute false statement to say Rangers have “no positive changes.” (Underwater buff? Downed state 3 buff (when it works)? Increased projectile speed? Pets hitting moving targets more often? GS buff?)

Again, it’s great that you have your own opinion and are able to articulate it. It’s still off-topic. I came into this thread to know if anyone’s played around with the new QZ, not to hear the same old discussion that goes on everywhere else.

Can anyone point me to a viable LB/GS build for WvW? I am not being sarcastic. I really don’t want to give up on my main Ranger. Unfortunately I was using Pow/Prec/Crit ‘zerker’ gear & trinkets. And I was relying on QZ for dmg with the LB and to some extent GS.
Since we now have to choose a char to play in WvW for our bonuses, I want to make sure before I retire the Ranger for my guardian. The guardian was a purely PvE burn dmg build. I don’t have enough gold to re-gear both of them so I only get to choose 1.
Re-gear/re-trait the Ranger or re-gear/re-trait the guardian.
As far as play style goes I like the Ranger best. Sniping & barrage from a distance then switching to melee when I need to. Guardian is only fun for me when torching everything and I know that is not viable in groups.

Infernia.9847:

Can anyone point me to a viable LB/GS build for WvW?

If you want to play longbow play warrior.
Comes with a 6-8k nuke, aoe exploding blind kitten, immobilize for a trillion hours and a fire combo field as big as colorado oh and even more aoe fire.

Unfortunately, I don’t know of a good one that uses those Infernia, just because I’ve been so comfortable with my current build that I haven’t tried anything else.

Ursan.7846:

Ryan.8367:

“Thanks for the wall of text. It’s also completely off-topic and doesn’t change the fact that his statement (Ranger has no positive changes) is false.”

Thanks for a very un-thoughtful response post that provides no real discussion to the matter at hand though while in the same thread trying to claim my text as just a ‘wall of text’.

Your post, by definition of containing so much text, is a “wall of text.” Very thoughtful, yes. But there’s plenty of other threads that already are discussing the overall state of the Ranger to death. It’s also very amusing to me to point out that, while you quoted my post, I don’t disagree/agree with any of what you state. All my quoted post was saying that it’s an absolute false statement to say Rangers have “no positive changes.” (Underwater buff? Downed state 3 buff (when it works)? Increased projectile speed? Pets hitting moving targets more often? GS buff?)

Again, it’s great that you have your own opinion and are able to articulate it. It’s still off-topic. I came into this thread to know if anyone’s played around with the new QZ, not to hear the same old discussion that goes on everywhere else.

Lol , I was just letting you know that 95% of the community doesn’t agree with you is all but that’s on them , right?

Regarding your question about QZ: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Effect-of-quickness-nerf-on-class-DPS/first#post1715146

Ryan.8367:

Lol , I was just letting you know that 95% of the community doesn’t agree with you is all but that’s on them , right?

Yea, and 45% of all statistics on the internet is completely made up.

Again, you seem to be misunderstanding my statement. I in no way, shape, or form argue about the state of the Ranger currently. I could care less, because it all comes down to personal opinions and it’s everyone’s right to hold one. Regardless of that though, the statement that “Rangers have had NO positive changes.” is a false statement.

Ryan.8367:

Regarding your question about QZ: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Effect-of-quickness-nerf-on-class-DPS/first#post1715146

Yes, please realize I read and posted on that thread. But the question I wish to have answered is despite the nerf, based on gameplay experience, is QZ still useful skill to slot in vs other alternatives?

@Arekai – well I do have a new lvl80 warrior but nothing but green gear so far. I could abandon both Ranger & Guardian for the warrior. I just don’t want to give up on my main yet. Thx
@RyuDragnier – Thx for answering.

To anyone else… if there is a viable build for LB/GS in WvW please post or feel free to PM me with a link. I am willing to try anything to keep from abandoning the Ranger. But I have to choose carefully since it’s a 1 time gear change. (not enough gold)

Forzani.2584:

To someone above who asked if the community should or shouldn’t complain. Go read the rest of the class forums. Warriors apparently are all quiting because of the haste nerf. Thiefs are all quiting because of the haste and stealth nerf.

How is it possible that almost every class is upset in some way after each patch ? Some of the comments are very funny.

“I am quiting my Warrior. It is obvious the Devs all own Rangers.”
I am quiting my Ranger. It is obvious the devs all own Thiefs"
I am quiting my Thief. It is obvious the devs all own Warriors."

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From what I understand, warriors tend to be not so effective in PvP, but they’re very effective in PvE, while it’s the opposite for Rangers. (of course, people have different opinions about this) The overall nerf of quickness affected each class in a different way, so maybe that’s why many classes are upset over this.

Infernia.9847:

Can anyone point me to a viable LB/GS build for WvW? I am not being sarcastic. I really don’t want to give up on my main Ranger. Unfortunately I was using Pow/Prec/Crit ‘zerker’ gear & trinkets. And I was relying on QZ for dmg with the LB and to some extent GS.
Since we now have to choose a char to play in WvW for our bonuses, I want to make sure before I retire the Ranger for my guardian. The guardian was a purely PvE burn dmg build. I don’t have enough gold to re-gear both of them so I only get to choose 1.
Re-gear/re-trait the Ranger or re-gear/re-trait the guardian.
As far as play style goes I like the Ranger best. Sniping & barrage from a distance then switching to melee when I need to. Guardian is only fun for me when torching everything and I know that is not viable in groups.

I’m currently in class ATM…. However I can give you my old LB/GS build later tonight, would you prefer it being PMed or posted here?

PS: the runes will be more up to you -I- use ogres, the gear could also change to zerker if you want, I prefer staying in the fray as long as I possibly can… Oh yeah, and I used QZ as a defensive tool, which it still is AMAZING for on the GS.

Lambent.6375:

Forzani.2584:

To someone above who asked if the community should or shouldn’t complain. Go read the rest of the class forums. Warriors apparently are all quiting because of the haste nerf. Thiefs are all quiting because of the haste and stealth nerf.

How is it possible that almost every class is upset in some way after each patch ? Some of the comments are very funny.

“I am quiting my Warrior. It is obvious the Devs all own Rangers.”
I am quiting my Ranger. It is obvious the devs all own Thiefs"
I am quiting my Thief. It is obvious the devs all own Warriors."

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From what I understand, warriors tend to be not so effective in PvP, but they’re very effective in PvE, while it’s the opposite for Rangers. (of course, people have different opinions about this) The overall nerf of quickness affected each class in a different way, so maybe that’s why many classes are upset over this.

Nailed it, mesmers and guardians are the most upset because they got 0 compensation for quickness nerf, and engi are kinda “meh” on it due to how minorly it affects them…

That being said, the only issue -I’m- having is for whatever reason my pet refuses to use their F2 immediately after pet swap (Hyena) now where normally he’d do it as soon as I told him to.

Durzlla.6295:

Lambent.6375:

Forzani.2584:

To someone above who asked if the community should or shouldn’t complain. Go read the rest of the class forums. Warriors apparently are all quiting because of the haste nerf. Thiefs are all quiting because of the haste and stealth nerf.

How is it possible that almost every class is upset in some way after each patch ? Some of the comments are very funny.

“I am quiting my Warrior. It is obvious the Devs all own Rangers.”
I am quiting my Ranger. It is obvious the devs all own Thiefs"
I am quiting my Thief. It is obvious the devs all own Warriors."

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From what I understand, warriors tend to be not so effective in PvP, but they’re very effective in PvE, while it’s the opposite for Rangers. (of course, people have different opinions about this) The overall nerf of quickness affected each class in a different way, so maybe that’s why many classes are upset over this.

Nailed it, mesmers and guardians are the most upset because they got 0 compensation for quickness nerf, and engi are kinda “meh” on it due to how minorly it affects them…

That being said, the only issue -I’m- having is for whatever reason my pet refuses to use their F2 immediately after pet swap (Hyena) now where normally he’d do it as soon as I told him to.

The thing is that is people being kitten y that they can’t tear kitten apart like a salad shooter with Time Warp anymore more than anything.

I’m glad to be honest. Now that the meta for speed runs will likely just be 3 Warriors and 2 Guardians maybe Anet will wake the kitten up and figure out that they need some serious class balancing in this game.

I find it interesting that a thread that is dedicated to discussing new ranger builds and tactics after the patch is almost completely devoid of builds and or discussion. I came here hoping to find some advice on how to rebuild and regear my ranger and all I find is people QQing about the QQing in the other threads.

I came here to get involved and to make the best of the changes instead I find a bunch of holier than though crap telling people to harden up. Where is the positive stuff, where are the builds. If ranger is in such good shape I would expect to find at least two distinctly different builds that have viability for each aspect of the game. The hard truth of the matter seems to be that there just isn’t that possibility.

I’m glad GS got a buff I really am, its an awesome and fun play style but not one I want to be forced into 24/7. I love this class and want to continue to play it but right now it just seems a sub par jack of all trades.

YMMV

Durzlla.6295:

Infernia.9847:

Can anyone point me to a viable LB/GS build for WvW? I am not being sarcastic. I really don’t want to give up on my main Ranger. Unfortunately I was using Pow/Prec/Crit ‘zerker’ gear & trinkets. And I was relying on QZ for dmg with the LB and to some extent GS.
Since we now have to choose a char to play in WvW for our bonuses, I want to make sure before I retire the Ranger for my guardian. The guardian was a purely PvE burn dmg build. I don’t have enough gold to re-gear both of them so I only get to choose 1.
Re-gear/re-trait the Ranger or re-gear/re-trait the guardian.
As far as play style goes I like the Ranger best. Sniping & barrage from a distance then switching to melee when I need to. Guardian is only fun for me when torching everything and I know that is not viable in groups.

I’m currently in class ATM…. However I can give you my old LB/GS build later tonight, would you prefer it being PMed or posted here?

PS: the runes will be more up to you -I- use ogres, the gear could also change to zerker if you want, I prefer staying in the fray as long as I possibly can… Oh yeah, and I used QZ as a defensive tool, which it still is AMAZING for on the GS.

Either way is fine by me. It won’t hurt to have it in the thread if you don’t mind. Sometimes people don’t want to share their build publicly so that’s why I said PM.

I posted a build i am using to great effect in sPVP and WvW . but it drowned in all the whine topics

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Choko-s-versatile-bowman-beastmaster/first#post1713457

Chokolata.1870:

I posted a build i am using to great effect in sPVP and WvW . but it drowned in all the whine topics

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Choko-s-versatile-bowman-beastmaster/first#post1713457

Just to be honest, I dont think many people care unless it is a faceroll/fotm build. And those usually only rise in popularity due to people getting stomped by them, and it usually involves random accusations of hacking. The player responds by posting their build and a new fotm is born!

If it helps, I read your thread and felt it was a perfectly decent build. If I wasnt so in love with my current build, I would try it out! I am not a huge fan of food either, at this point, but that is neither here nor there. I think most people come to the forum because they are having a negative experience, so that means that most posts and threads will reflect that. Its basically confirmation bias (which, really, we all do in some way). Most who are having a positive experience are too busy playing the game. Some, like me, enjoy message boards almost as much as the game.

MMO forums are almost always overwhelmingly negative. Just have to sift through the noise.

@Infernia;

While the build I posted earlier has a shortbow, it was initially played with a GS. With the buffs, it would make it an even more viable option too. I only went to shortbow because it fits me much better (and piercing arrows).

I find it to be effective in WvW and some PvE. I dont do dungeons or Spvp, so I simply cant offer feedback in those regards. It does take a significant amount of effort though, and I even have set my keybindings differently to reflect it. This went so far as to explore targetting settings, etc. which ended up finding some better (still not good) targetting solutions.

I find it has an enormous amount of depth, and it seems like every day I get better with it (I usually plateau frequently with most other classes I have leveled). Its not as easy to play as some, but is very hard to kill, with great mobility/evades (made even better with a GS, mind you), and “ok” power (I have about 3100 attack power, which still doesnt mean much on a ranger). The entire build centers on the sword main hand, so weapon choice beyond that is subjective. Martial mastery though, when using sword/x and GS results in ~80% of your skills receiving shorter CDs with one trait.

Now, it only uses pet as support, so that is a weakness. Especially if you enjoy micromanaging your pet. I use the pigs, and essentially only use them to knockdown, or forage up a weapon.

edit: Here ya go. Customized for you! :P I could go into tactics, etc, but you might find that fun so I wont ruin it for you. Sigils are personal preference, and traits change constantly. Not the point distribution, but the selectable ones.

Recycle.5493:

I pity those who are still using longbow and saying it’s still viable. Hiding in zerg and hiding behind teammate in dungeon must be fun. Good thing I changed to GS build a looooooooooonnng time ago.

I just watched Durzlla pwn with longbow today. That boy can play.

Forzani.2584:

To someone above who asked if the community should or shouldn’t complain. Go read the rest of the class forums. Warriors apparently are all quiting because of the haste nerf. Thiefs are all quiting because of the haste and stealth nerf.

How is it possible that almost every class is upset in some way after each patch ? Some of the comments are very funny.

“I am quiting my Warrior. It is obvious the Devs all own Rangers.”
I am quiting my Ranger. It is obvious the devs all own Thiefs"
I am quiting my Thief. It is obvious the devs all own Warriors."

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+1

Well, shoot. We’ve had a couple blips on the radar here, a couple derails. But it’s good. Thanks to everyone who responded so far. Keep the ideas flowing.

It is not a coincidence all of our ‘viable’ builds include swords of some form.

I tried continuing with my SB berserker build and it didnt work as well, so I just swapped QZ for the single target vine bind (the name of which I forget), and moved the 5 BM traiting to Skirmishing for MoC.

It works surpringly well.. was a small adjustment but the vines are better than I previously thought. I know a lot of people will come here and tell me how easy they are to escape from, but I find that between vines, SB#4 (+MoC) and 2 spider pets, people have a very hard time escaping or even moving when I fight them. It might be easy to avoid to work round one of these effects, but if you time them well 95% of people will be immobilized so often that they have no hope of beating me.

So yeah.. Thats working well for me. I’d say just as well as the same build was using QZ before the nerf. The loss of quickness for stomping and other stuff is still saddening but what can ya do.

Recycle.5493:

I pity those who are still using longbow and saying it’s still viable. Hiding in zerg and hiding behind teammate in dungeon must be fun. Good thing I changed to GS build a looooooooooonnng time ago.

Yup hiding behind melee when using ranged attacks is fail. So much fail. /rolleyes

I guess all the military tactics employing since the beginning of warfare was wrong, right?

P.S.: I’m using hyperbole on purpose here because this forum has infected me. :P

kittendravan.1847:

I find it interesting that a thread that is dedicated to discussing new ranger builds and tactics after the patch is almost completely devoid of builds and or discussion. I came here hoping to find some advice on how to rebuild and regear my ranger and all I find is people QQing about the QQing in the other threads.

I came here to get involved and to make the best of the changes instead I find a bunch of holier than though crap telling people to harden up. Where is the positive stuff, where are the builds. If ranger is in such good shape I would expect to find at least two distinctly different builds that have viability for each aspect of the game. The hard truth of the matter seems to be that there just isn’t that possibility.

I’m glad GS got a buff I really am, its an awesome and fun play style but not one I want to be forced into 24/7. I love this class and want to continue to play it but right now it just seems a sub par jack of all trades.

YMMV

Welcome to the ranger forums It’s like this almost everywhere, except a few select good topics. But even there you get QQ. Enjoy your stay!

Sorry if I trail off, I only attempt to explain my thought processes because I find that explaining every single step I take when I come to a conclusion is the only way to keep people with malicious intent to not bother me.

Anyhow, ontopic:
—The quickness nerf will turn out to be a good thing for the ranger in pvp. Top tier builds didn’t really rely on quickness for damage, so it won’t affect ranger gameplay much other than lack of speed stomping (which affects everyone). That is a very strong step towards balancing downstates, and it is a shame we didn’t see a nerf for invulnerability stomps in the same patch as this.
—Maul damages better now on the GS, which should help keep damage up on a bunker style build which is one of the stronger ranger builds, meaning that it potentially increased the damage output of a viable build, which is good.
—HoM pets aren’t kitten statwise anymore compared to particular counterparts, which means I can finally show off all my earnings and not kitten my build for it, so good.

—Lastly, how the quickness nerf affects OTHER classes will improve certain things the ranger are good at. Lots of instagib builds took hard hits in pvp, and most ranger builds didn’t depend on DPS for damage. Meaning that a lot of current meta builds got hit while ranger builds stay the same for the most part, without changing anything in the ranger gameplay that significantly other than maybe speed stomps/rezzes.

So overall the class outlook will eventually be positive again. I agree with the balances on quickness, and it didn’t take this patch for me to make any opinions I have mentioned previously. More like the lack thereof. There wasn’t enough. I don’t want to sound like I expect the world from them, but I do expect them to maintain the standard they set it the first Guild Wars (for half the price of this game).

But just because it wasn’t enough for me doesn’t mean there isn’t anything positive. There just isn’t anything new. Metagame wise, the crying has only just begun in the community, and for once, the rangers might be the ones who are doing the least amount of crying because in the grand scheme of things, it affects our meta/viable builds the least.