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Posted by: Puandro.3245

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Spec and Gear is in the Youtube page. This is my 4th class to WvW on, the other 3 being Ele/Mesmer/Thief.

http://youtu.be/tI7ouz1xt9E

Edit: Exploits is my Rangers name.

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Posted by: Dojo.1867

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Quality vid.

Really decent skill level.

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Posted by: Croustibat.7035

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Nice, looks hard to catch you haha

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

Puandro.3245

Thx I don’t have much experience with Ranger in PvP, just like a dozen hours but I’m a pretty seasoned PvP player with other classes.

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Posted by: nagymbear.5280

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Quality vid.

Really decent skill level.

Lol, this is only decent?

I wonder what you regard as Exploit though? BM seems strong in the hands of players like you. If people want the pets to hit moving targers reliably, and take less aoe damage, they need to watch this vid. That black cat is some tough kitten right there. Imagine not being able to lose that.

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

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Before it gets out of hand, Exploits is my Rangers name :p.

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Posted by: nagymbear.5280

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Yeah your ranger sure as hell Eploits her knowledge of mesmers, thieves and elementalists.

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Posted by: Faux Sheaux.6179

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Also, I like how all the ranger videos are using Sail by AWOLNATION.

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Also, I like how all the ranger videos are using Sail by AWOLNATION.

They are? I just felt it fit the clip I used it on.

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Posted by: Faux Sheaux.6179

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Also, I like how all the ranger videos are using Sail by AWOLNATION.

They are? I just felt it fit the clip I used it on.

Yeah, there’s like four or five out over the past week that have used it lol. Very good playing btw. Subscribed to your channel and am looking forward to moar

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Posted by: Eurantien.4632

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Them sword leaps not enough distance for you? Try using lightning reflexes between sword 2’s.

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

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Also, I like how all the ranger videos are using Sail by AWOLNATION.

They are? I just felt it fit the clip I used it on.

Yeah, there’s like four or five out over the past week that have used it lol. Very good playing btw. Subscribed to your channel and am looking forward to moar

Hah ill try my best to get some game time this next week.

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

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Them sword leaps not enough distance for you? Try using lightning reflexes between sword 2’s.

Already do that but i rather save my stun breaker if i don’t need the extra leap.

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Posted by: Robyn Yew.6072

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skilled play with knowledge of other classes capabilities.
sail by awol is theme song for rangers now its official lol.

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Posted by: jcbroe.4329

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Kind of makes me wish I went clerics gear. Oh well, I’m still content with my full knights setup with beserker trinkets

Nicely played though, very nicely played. I was honestly surprised at the damage output of the build, but I think I wouldn’t have been if I saw more power/cleric builds (most healing builds seem condition focused, at least the ones that there are videos for).

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

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As i was explaining in another board, Apothecary is good but on T1 servers (NA) a lot of people have been using Melandru with -40% condi food to counter all the aoe condis out there so you do virtually no damage against them. Also with this build i try to do everything to make my pet do as much damage, crippling/poison/CC ect.

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Posted by: Norseman.4280

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Nice job once again bro. I always enjoy your vids

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Posted by: Cufufalating.8479

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Definately going to try this when I can. Been trying Faux Sheaux’s condition verion of this build which I’ve enjoyed, but honestly I am a DD person not a condition damage person, and I deeply miss having a GS with me as I became so used to having it with my usual SB / GS knights build.

This looks a lot of fun though. Ideally I’ve love a regen bunker build that wasnt so pet dependant, but I cant see a way to make it work with enough DPS, not to mention the BM traitline gives 300 regen.

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Posted by: Bredin.5368

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Very nice, and I’m going to give this a whirl, I think. But what do you do for condition removal? It seems you have none!

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Posted by: Sebrent.3625

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Nice video.

One thing in this video that I’d like to highlight … it illustrates that a Ranger with no ranged weapons can still inflict damage/pressure “from range” … via their pet (even if it is melee too).

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Posted by: Walker.3056

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Spec and Gear is in the Youtube page. This is my 4th class to WvW on, the other 3 being Ele/Mesmer/Thief.

http://youtu.be/tI7ouz1xt9E

Edit: Exploits is my Rangers name.

Ive been using a build that really looks like this for some time. i just changed the 10 traits from 4th line to second so my pet can deal a little more damage ^^

I was wondering usually i dont see rangers using Sick ’Em… now its only 40 sec CD and when u combo jaguar F2 + Sick ’Em its just soo much damage i love it.
what do u think about it?

Hope to cya in JQ ^^ great video.

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

Puandro.3245

Nice job once again bro. I always enjoy your vids

Thanks man.

Definately going to try this when I can. Been trying Faux Sheaux’s condition verion of this build which I’ve enjoyed, but honestly I am a DD person not a condition damage person, and I deeply miss having a GS with me as I became so used to having it with my usual SB / GS knights build.

This looks a lot of fun though. Ideally I’ve love a regen bunker build that wasnt so pet dependant, but I cant see a way to make it work with enough DPS, not to mention the BM traitline gives 300 regen.

Yah im a fan of the GS.

Very nice, and I’m going to give this a whirl, I think. But what do you do for condition removal? It seems you have none!

I used to run Healing Spring but i found out i ddint really need the condi removal.

Spec and Gear is in the Youtube page. This is my 4th class to WvW on, the other 3 being Ele/Mesmer/Thief.

http://youtu.be/tI7ouz1xt9E

Edit: Exploits is my Rangers name.

Ive been using a build that really looks like this for some time. i just changed the 10 traits from 4th line to second so my pet can deal a little more damage ^^

I was wondering usually i dont see rangers using Sick ’Em… now its only 40 sec CD and when u combo jaguar F2 + Sick ’Em its just soo much damage i love it.
what do u think about it?

Hope to cya in JQ ^^ great video.

I have been thinking about it but im still unsure. I used Sick ’Em a lot during leveling.

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Posted by: Croustibat.7035

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I was wondering usually i dont see rangers using Sick ’Em… now its only 40 sec CD and when u combo jaguar F2 + Sick ’Em its just soo much damage i love it.
what do u think about it?

I often use Sick’Em traited to be 32s (Jaguar F2 being 30s, it synchronizes well), really good indeed. I hope one day F2 skills will not cancel it.


With this setup Healing spring can be good too, some extra regen coupled with our 2 leap finishers … around 2k heal !
I’m gonna try using pigs too, the juvenile pig Forage skill is awesome + running with a pig is so kitten

edit: just realized that “rude” words are replaced with “kitten” … that’s why I see kitten, kitten, kitten in every post haha

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Posted by: Sebrent.3625

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Lol. Please record if you have good success with pigs and forage. I find it a bit too clunky so would be curious to see.

I like to say “puppy” if I think about it. Go ahead and filter myself and be amused in my own corny way

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Posted by: Slalom.3174

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@Puandro.3245,

QQ. Your video cannot be viewed via my iPad. Lol, I am temporarily disappointed.
Will have to check it during game time tonight.

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Posted by: RyuDragnier.9476

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Wait…TC, were you in PvP last night? Because I think I fought alongside you and against you on some of the maps.

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

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SPvP? I played my Engi a bit.

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Posted by: RyuDragnier.9476

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Ahh, okay. The person last night had a similar name, and I was just making sure if it was you or not.

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Posted by: Thorson.9218

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What I find interesting re. most of the Ranger videos I’ve seen where they are having “success” (i.e. not being a 30 second badge) in WvW they are running a melee build (sword/dagger, axe/torch, GS for survival/escape, etc). Few, if any, solo roaming rangers are running sbow or lbow as their primary weapon. Is this just because of play style preference of the folks in the vid, or are xbow rangers really that kitten solo roaming WvW? Lvl 62 at the moment, so learning what I can before I can gear for dominance, LOL.

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Posted by: jcbroe.4329

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Personally I have no problem with my shortbow build, and I feel I rarely ever die in WvW. My gear is full exotic knights gear, with all ruby orbs/jewels. Running 20/20/30/0/0 with a berserker shortbow and knights greatsword (I would go sword/dagger, but I find the ease of running around with swoop too appealing).

I would never argue that I’m more survivable, but it was a tradeoff I felt necessary to have better damage.

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

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What I find interesting re. most of the Ranger videos I’ve seen where they are having “success” (i.e. not being a 30 second badge) in WvW they are running a melee build (sword/dagger, axe/torch, GS for survival/escape, etc). Few, if any, solo roaming rangers are running sbow or lbow as their primary weapon. Is this just because of play style preference of the folks in the vid, or are xbow rangers really that kitten solo roaming WvW? Lvl 62 at the moment, so learning what I can before I can gear for dominance, LOL.

SB is a great weapon and it has some good defensive skills but once forced in melee might as well bust a melee weapon for higher damage and more defense which sword/X and GS are good for.

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Posted by: Thorson.9218

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SB is a great weapon and it has some good defensive skills but once forced in melee might as well bust a melee weapon for higher damage and more defense which sword/X and GS are good for.

That’s exactly what I’m finding. There will be those times when you end up in melee whether you want to be there or not, and SB/LB is just a badge at that point, especially in the large group fights. Trying LB – S/D and it seems to be working better.

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Posted by: Substance E.4852

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SB can be decent but you have to use it very defensively and make very liberal use of 3,4, and 5.

I find that unless I am attacking or defending a point, the LB is only really useful for blasting an enemy off an ally before they can stomp them.

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Posted by: Writetyper.1985

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Also, I like how all the ranger videos are using Sail by AWOLNATION.

They are? I just felt it fit the clip I used it on.

Yeah, there’s like four or five out over the past week that have used it lol. Very good playing btw. Subscribed to your channel and am looking forward to moar

Feeling like making one and using the song now just to continue the trend :P

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Posted by: Slalom.3174

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Ok, decisions, decisions…

If I equip Soulshard ( http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Soulshard ) which sword is going to compliment it?
You know we need a matched set.

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Posted by: Assassin.7890

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Hey Puandro,

first off, really impressed me the way you play your ranger. I have to overwhelm you with some questions though – if you dont mind
1.) Why do you use this trait (Nature’s Bounty Regeneration you apply lasts 33% longer)
I rarely understand for what is it good for? Because the only source of regen I see is the minor trait with 75%. I think I miss something substantial though

2.) From my understanding your dmg comes from your pet – how comes, that your pet is sooo tanky, I mean 30 points in BM ofc, but mine dies much quicker.
So you only want to cripple your foe and slow him down, so your pet can deal DMG?
Or do you try to pull out some nice dmg strength-based, since your crit rate is really low?

3.) You deeply invest into healing power and strength. Healing power is used for Troll Unguent, Signet of the Wild and the regen from Rejuvenation?? And linked to this, since you have that much steady healing, don’t you need a condition removal in any place??

4.) You pulled off a nice moving combo with GS and S. But I didnt quite get how you did this. First off you Swoop. Secondly you turned and used Hornet Sting, turned again and used Monarch’s Leap? How do you trigger that movement-combo exactly?

5.) For your bufffood you use another source of continous healing. Wouldn’t it be worth it to go with ‘Bowl of Lemongrass Poultry Soup’ ? Since you lack a bit of condition removal.

6.) Last but not least, please tell me, how can you dish out more DMG? As you allready mentioned, drop 10 from Nature Magic – would you pick ‘Pets Prowess’ from 10 in Skirmishing instead?
And furthermore I do not quite understand the mechanics of Jaguar and stealth. He seems to deal significantly more DMG while in stealth (why)? And why dont you ever pop ‘Sigil of the Hunt’ Is the DMG-Output that bad? I didnt quite understand this sigil.

Thank you in Advance,
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Posted by: Puandro.3245

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Hey Puandro,

first off, really impressed me the way you play your ranger. I have to overwhelm you with some questions though – if you dont mind
1.) Why do you use this trait (Nature’s Bounty Regeneration you apply lasts 33% longer)
I rarely understand for what is it good for? Because the only source of regen I see is the minor trait with 75%. I think I miss something substantial though

2.) From my understanding your dmg comes from your pet – how comes, that your pet is sooo tanky, I mean 30 points in BM ofc, but mine dies much quicker.
So you only want to cripple your foe and slow him down, so your pet can deal DMG?
Or do you try to pull out some nice dmg strength-based, since your crit rate is really low?

3.) You deeply invest into healing power and strength. Healing power is used for Troll Unguent, Signet of the Wild and the regen from Rejuvenation?? And linked to this, since you have that much steady healing, don’t you need a condition removal in any place??

4.) You pulled off a nice moving combo with GS and S. But I didnt quite get how you did this. First off you Swoop. Secondly you turned and used Hornet Sting, turned again and used Monarch’s Leap? How do you trigger that movement-combo exactly?

5.) For your bufffood you use another source of continous healing. Wouldn’t it be worth it to go with ‘Bowl of Lemongrass Poultry Soup’ ? Since you lack a bit of condition removal.

6.) Last but not least, please tell me, how can you dish out more DMG? As you allready mentioned, drop 10 from Nature Magic – would you pick ‘Pets Prowess’ from 10 in Skirmishing instead?
And furthermore I do not quite understand the mechanics of Jaguar and stealth. He seems to deal significantly more DMG while in stealth (why)? And why dont you ever pop ‘Sigil of the Hunt’ Is the DMG-Output that bad? I didnt quite understand this sigil.

Thank you in Advance,
an Admirer

The trait gives regen and the runes i use gives regen when i get hit and when i use my heal, it does make a noticeable difference if you want to have high up time regen without having to sit inside Healing Spring for Perma Regen.

30 Point Trait gives HUGE regen to your pet and a small one for yourself, then the signet also heals your pet, and if you use your heal it will give regen to your pet for a few seconds. Also i sometimes use F2 when it gets low so they cant attack it and i can use my Heal once its up. Masters bond also makes a difference.

I can usually outlive most condition users. Worst case scenario you can run away and swap to Healing Spring and signet of renewal, i dont like Empathy Bond because it can slow my pet if it transfer cripple/chill/weakness ect.

First part of Sword #2 will send you away from your target, then un-select your target and turn around and use #2 again and you will leap again, make sure you have auto target off in the options.

Yes condition reduction food is also an option.

Yes you can pick up 30% on crit damage for your pet if you won;t miss the uptime on regen. When the Jaguar stealth’s every attack while in stealth will crit, and also attacks from stealth won’t bring it out of stealth like thiefs stealth. This allows you to spike. You could also mix it in with Sic ‘Em. The reason i don’t use my signet is because the pet will lose its speed and make it really hard to land an attack vs kiting enemies so i just use Bash from Gs to boost it next attack.

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Posted by: Assassin.7890

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Thank you for your answers so far.

There is a trait (Agility training) which would speed your pet up to 30%. Will it add to the effect of SoTH or will it simply overwrite these 25% movement speed.

Do you use other Utility skills? Like you already mentioned ‘sic ’em’? Or do you stay with your combination.
Why dont you pop SotW sometimes? Is the active-effect that bad?

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

Puandro.3245

Thank you for your answers so far.

There is a trait (Agility training) which would speed your pet up to 30%. Will it add to the effect of SoTH or will it simply overwrite these 25% movement speed.

Do you use other Utility skills? Like you already mentioned ‘sic ’em’? Or do you stay with your combination.
Why dont you pop SotW sometimes? Is the active-effect that bad?

I prefer the passives over the actives. I do sometimes swap utilities but very rarely. Also the speed doesn’t stack the highest one always overwrites the lower ones.

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Posted by: Assassin.7890

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Really watched your Video twice now, I am really impressed by your awareness, although you did some very minor mistakes, I think you can hardly play a ranger better.

Questions I have relating to the mesmer and thief fights:
Does our pet traces them or attackes always the right one? If it would be so, I think mesmers would be really easy to target, since your pet always leads you the right way
If this is true, is it the same with thiefes? Why didn’t you always used our GS #4 when the thief stealthed? Did you recognize which weapon he wears? Because their backstabs are feared…
Another Question about Masters Bond: is it really worth it? I didnt recognize much of a difference, but I could be wrong here. My idea would be, pick instead comanding voice and/or Shout Mastery so you could switch to a Krytarian Drakehound with Immobilize on F2, and ’Sic’em’ … well I dont know if it is worth it but from my analysis of your footage I would say, that the Jaguar has a hard time hitting things. If he really lands an attack he hits like a truck – but I feel that this is a general problem to rangers, we have so few Immobilizes and so on, that wouldn’t really damage our class but since pets cant run in circles and have hard times hitting stuff, immos really could turn a fight…
whats your opionion on this?

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

Puandro.3245

Really watched your Video twice now, I am really impressed by your awareness, although you did some very minor mistakes, I think you can hardly play a ranger better.

Questions I have relating to the mesmer and thief fights:
Does our pet traces them or attackes always the right one? If it would be so, I think mesmers would be really easy to target, since your pet always leads you the right way
If this is true, is it the same with thiefes? Why didn’t you always used our GS #4 when the thief stealthed? Did you recognize which weapon he wears? Because their backstabs are feared…
Another Question about Masters Bond: is it really worth it? I didnt recognize much of a difference, but I could be wrong here. My idea would be, pick instead comanding voice and/or Shout Mastery so you could switch to a Krytarian Drakehound with Immobilize on F2, and ’Sic’em’ … well I dont know if it is worth it but from my analysis of your footage I would say, that the Jaguar has a hard time hitting things. If he really lands an attack he hits like a truck – but I feel that this is a general problem to rangers, we have so few Immobilizes and so on, that wouldn’t really damage our class but since pets cant run in circles and have hard times hitting stuff, immos really could turn a fight…
whats your opionion on this?

I have been playing ranger for a few days in WvW and it took me like 30 hours to level to 80 so I don’t have much experience with ranger compared to my other classes but i am very knowledgeable on every other classes so i know how to counter it. Im sure i can still improve a whole lot more.

If you send your pet to attack and they stealth, ect you don’t have to worry about telling your pet to attack the real one after they come out of stealth so yes it kinda does help if you are not very experienced when fighting mesmers but i have 0 problems finding the real one. The only time i won;t target the real one instantly is if they port behind me and i need to turn my camera. I don’t always use GS #4 for BS mainly because if im at full health 1 BS isn’t going to kill me 1v1. Sometimes i use it just no KB them and let my pet land hits.

Masters Bond is very awesome since at 25 stacks thats 200 more stat points for your pet, considering 30 BM is 300 points and that makes a huge diff another 200 is really nice. If im in melee my pet lands most of it attacks. I cut a lot of the clips where people went full melee vs me and i drop people very quickly due to the jaguar and my sword Auto Attack giving it might. Also every time the cat crits it lands a 5 second bleed which is very nice extra dps. Dogs do less damage and i see them more of a CC pet if you decide to use ranged weapons or traps.

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Posted by: Assassin.7890

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okay that is well explained. I wouldn’t use one utilityslot for ’sic’em’ then, Cats are superior dmg wise, you are right.
I love how you utilize the “thousands” Evades from S/D. Is there any other Weapon Combination viable atm? Axe has freeze at least, but the other attacks kind of sux, don’t even mention the #1 from axe is really bad and Sword kind of nice.
How about the Superior Sigil of Hydromancy? I mean are these 200 extra healin power really worth it? Hydromancy would really help with CC since we lack a bit of it besides cripple. What are your thoughts about it?

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

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I use energy sigils so i cant use hydromancy. Nothing has more evades than S/D but other weapon combos are viable but not with cleric gear, you need Apothecary for that.

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Posted by: Mepheles.2087

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30 hours? You must have a ton of money because crafting is the only way to even level that quickly. It took me 3 days to get to level 30 on one character, and thats from doing every races zones, rinse and repeat. lol.

On topic, good video.

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Posted by: Puandro.3245

Puandro.3245

30 hours? You must have a ton of money because crafting is the only way to even level that quickly. It took me 3 days to get to level 30 on one character, and thats from doing every races zones, rinse and repeat. lol.

On topic, good video.

It’s my 6th 80 so its pretty quick.

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Posted by: Assassin.7890

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Good morning
Puandro, want to share some thoughts with you on this matter:
Since you dodge ALOT and gain Protection frequently, wouldn’t it be worth it to push boon duration, so you get alot more defensive and your pet aswell?
If you use 2x ‘Superior Rune of the Monk’ and 4x ’ Superior Rune of Altruism’ that would make 30% Boonduration. With your alternative way to trait, you would go 15pt in Nature Magic that would make another 15%.
Or maybe like described here: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boon_Duration
Would it be worth it to drop Dwayna runes for this??

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Posted by: scanz.4536

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Any chance someone could post the build from the video here? At work so cannot access YouTube and this seems to be generating a lot of discussion around the forums

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Posted by: Slalom.3174

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Assassin, yesterday I got Naga Fang which comes with Sup. sigil of Ice. Though it rarely procc’d it was helpful. I imagine that Freeze would be helpful if proccing on every weapon change and lasting twice as long as the Ice sigil.

Puandro,
I started using Quickening Zephyr, but it was really hard to give up Signet of Stone.

Still working to get all geared up, but am impressed with it atm. Really missing my short bow and attacking from range, but PVE mobs die so fast I will get used to it.

Sword+Dagger is new experience as is fighting in melee range.
Thanks for this thread.

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Posted by: Furajir.3815

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Rangers have more strengths than they do weaknesses, the ones that are having success are the ones that don’t dwell on them and have adapted accordingly rather than say it’s “problems with the class”. Most rangers on this forum are just like yourself, are their own enemies, they are fixated on a particular way to play and can’t or won’t step outside the box.

Most fall prey to the “Well I can’t do it so we need to fix the class” as a whole theory, and this should not be the case.

Puandro showcases an amazing regen/power/bm build, Sarlack Kalorian showcases a double bow regen build, and myself and Faux/Menorah showcase regen/bm/condition builds, all of whome have put videos on this forum and are having great success, see a pattern?

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