Guild Wars 2

The devs fundamentally do not understand what they want with Ranger. They need to put out a list of what they think the Ranger needs in order to open a dialogue with the community and to help fix their issues of not understanding the ranger. Or bring in a new ranger dev who does understand it.

I am not trying to insult the devs, this is just a fact after 3 years of evidence. Furthermore, after 3 years of being lied to, and told to wait I think the ranger community is justified in being annoyed at the mistreatment and neglect from the developers.

Aomine.5012:

Holland.9351:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Olcon.9506:

Another solution is, why not just remove quickness from the boons that are copied over? Is that hard to code, is that not a thing?

Literally the first thought I had when I read how they were nerfing it.

It wasn’t only about Quickness. People keep saying it, but it wasn’t.

You could quite easily get permanent Swiftness, Regeneration, Fury, Vigor and Protection with it. With help from a friendly guardian, you could get permanent Quickness easily on top of it (could also do it solo, but not as easy) and Retaliation too.

So it was pretty powerful, even without permanent Quickness.

The interaction with Forifying Bond made the boon durations add up quickly. It would also tripple the amount of Might and Stability stacks the Ranger would get. It wouldn’t increase their duration however, so keeping permanent 25 stacks of Might and Stability wasn’t possible.

The problem is that it got nerfed into non-existance instead of coming up with a proper fix. And you know, once they nerf something into non-existance, it’s usually never reviewed.

Another theory crafter who never use the build, like at all.

[..]

Really tired of all the theory-crafters who never even try the build in PVP. Great that you’re doing well against dummy though.

lol, I did extensively test it myself, that’s how I know what it could do. And yes I didn’t like it either. I went back to my old build. The investment wasn’t worth it.

However, that doesn’t make it any less true what I said.

Just because some couldn’t get it to work doesn’t mean it wasn’t overpowered.

Xillllix.3485:

There is a difference between something that is “strong” and something that is just a game-breaking flaw. They were so broken everyone just stopped playing pvp. It’s not as if rangers have anything to complain about: Their pet hits for 4-10k, they got a condi buff, they can still pewpew from1500 range for insane damage and they are getting the best healing in the game soon.

HUH ? Insane damage ?

Holland.9351:

Aomine.5012:

Holland.9351:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Olcon.9506:

Another solution is, why not just remove quickness from the boons that are copied over? Is that hard to code, is that not a thing?

Literally the first thought I had when I read how they were nerfing it.

It wasn’t only about Quickness. People keep saying it, but it wasn’t.

You could quite easily get permanent Swiftness, Regeneration, Fury, Vigor and Protection with it. With help from a friendly guardian, you could get permanent Quickness easily on top of it (could also do it solo, but not as easy) and Retaliation too.

So it was pretty powerful, even without permanent Quickness.

The interaction with Forifying Bond made the boon durations add up quickly. It would also tripple the amount of Might and Stability stacks the Ranger would get. It wouldn’t increase their duration however, so keeping permanent 25 stacks of Might and Stability wasn’t possible.

The problem is that it got nerfed into non-existance instead of coming up with a proper fix. And you know, once they nerf something into non-existance, it’s usually never reviewed.

Another theory crafter who never use the build, like at all.

[..]

Really tired of all the theory-crafters who never even try the build in PVP. Great that you’re doing well against dummy though.

lol, I did extensively test it myself, that’s how I know what it could do. And yes I didn’t like it either. I went back to my old build. The investment wasn’t worth it.

However, that doesn’t make it any less true what I said.

Just because some couldn’t get it to work doesn’t mean it wasn’t overpowered.

So you think it doesn’t worth it because it’s inferior than your build, but it’s OP ?

Guess what you use is some God Build that are the most OP spec ever exist in the game right?

Or your definition of OP is way different than ours?

I understand why you wanted to clip our wings (heh) on the protection, stability and quickness fronts – those were a little bit crazy. What I don’t get is why you reduced the might copying of WHAO to 3 stacks. I get that might is a powerful boon, but look at what some of the other classes can do with it.

- Elementalist? Most access to both fire fields and blast finishers in the game. Not only can they give their whole party >15 stacks of might easily, but they also have a trait that gives them and their allies fury when blasting fire fields as well.
- Warrior? Phalanx strength is a consistent 25 stacks of might to their entire team.
- Guardian? Empower, Virtue of Justice, a blast finisher and a fire field means that they can grant their entire party 18 stacks of might before a fight even starts, and that’s not even factoring in Empowering Might, which is 1 might per crit on a 1s cooldown.

…so why is it so outrageous that Rangers get to hit the might cap for ONLY THEMSELVES? Our party-wide boons have always been meager compared to other classes (Ele heals better, warrior provides more might, guard provides more protection/retaliation, thief provides more stealth, mesmer provides a long duration AoE quickness), so why can’t we have a little bit of selfish power?

Maximum Potato.5923:

I understand why you wanted to clip our wings (heh) on the protection, stability and quickness fronts – those were a little bit crazy. What I don’t get is why you reduced the might copying of WHAO to 3 stacks. I get that might is a powerful boon, but look at what some of the other classes can do with it.

- Elementalist? Most access to both fire fields and blast finishers in the game. Not only can they give their whole party >15 stacks of might easily, but they also have a trait that gives them and their allies fury when blasting fire fields as well.
- Warrior? Phalanx strength is a consistent 25 stacks of might to their entire team.
- Guardian? Empower, Virtue of Justice, a blast finisher and a fire field means that they can grant their entire party 18 stacks of might before a fight even starts, and that’s not even factoring in Empowering Might, which is 1 might per crit on a 1s cooldown.

…so why is it so outrageous that Rangers get to hit the might cap for ONLY THEMSELVES? Our party-wide boons have always been meager compared to other classes (Ele heals better, warrior provides more might, guard provides more protection/retaliation, thief provides more stealth, mesmer provides a long duration AoE quickness), so why can’t we have a little bit of selfish power?

^^^THIS^^^

Too bad it will fall on deaf eyes.

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

That would be great, actually. From what I’ve seen, you seem to have a good understanding of the class without being overly dramatic. I just hope they listen to your suggestions :-).

Coming from a PvE perspective, I wanted to say the buff-nerf to WHaO struck me as an amazingly knee-jerk reaction.

I’ll repeat what others have said: running WHaO required heal and stunbreak to go on cooldown most of the time and deprives us of our best condition removal. It made WHaO interesting for once, part of a super DPS focused build that felt similar to what Most Dangerous Game trait gives, a feeling of kill or be killed.

It would have been really interesting to see how this performed in HoT style battle, because dungeons are considered obsolete and Fractals to 50 is passé. (-_-)

Also it seems to me that because ranger weapons start at a low base damage coefficient, giving the class somewhat more quickness on demand isn’t that unreasonable. Ranger greatsword auto-attack damage with quickness is brought up to approximately guardian auto-attack levels, for instance.

(Then we have a pet… we have a pet. Which is often detrimental or not applying itself fully, the lazy creature.)

At any rate, I had hoped the devs would wait for a bit to see how things shake out. Very disappointing.

Hi Gaile – said my piece already in this thread but just to add a thanks to you for giving us the structure and providing confirmation that our ideas are at least being heard. The latter being one of the most important things to many (I think I’m safe to assume “many” without stats) in the Ranger community.

BolshoiBooze.3406:

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

That would be great, actually. From what I’ve seen, you seem to have a good understanding of the class without being overly dramatic. I just hope they listen to your suggestions :-).

Thank you for your kind words,
The next report I anticipate to be a lot larger and more in-depth. The report I just sent off covered a few topics within the Ranger community (really can’t do anything with Druid since we haven’t tested it yet x) ) .

As always, If I hear anything back (and I’m cleared to talk about it) I’ll keep you guys updated ^-^.

Wolfey.3407

Thank you for your kind words,
The next report I anticipate to be a lot larger and more in-depth. The report I just sent off covered a few topics within the Ranger community (really can’t do anything with Druid since we haven’t tested it yet x) ) .

As always, If I hear anything back (and I’m cleared to talk about it) I’ll keep you guys updated ^-^.

Hi Wolfey, thanks for coming in and lending a hand. Although not everyone here may say or seem it, we all really do appreciate your presence ^^

I think the main source of upset here is the speed at which the nerf was applied, considering how big of a change it was. We didn’t really get a chance to use the build to its full effectiveness, and, more importantly, other players didn’t have a chance to develop counter-strategies to it. Given a bit more time, the buffs we had might not have seemed QUITE as crazy, as other classes would have better learned how to deal with what they were up against, and had time to better understand where the build’s core weaknesses lay. I admit some aspects of the boon spam were probably more than a little OTT (cough 25 stability stacks cough), but I don’t think it warranted a response quite as quick and extreme as it received.

As I also mentioned earlier, the might stacking nerf doesn’t feel necessary, but I assume you’ve already seen that :p

Why is Gaile the only person from Anet with enough courage to talk to us here?

Because Gaile is awesome.

Since ranger pets are not functioning at the highest efficiency and ranger damage coefficients are calculated to include the pets, what about a grandmaster trait that woudl allow a ranger to exchange their furry/scaly/feathered friend for a % damage boost.

There was a trait in WHO (though maybe I shouldnt mention this, as warhammer was notoriously bad at balancing) for squig herder that allowed them to trade their squigs for a 25% damage boost.

Obviously the numbers wouldn’t be the exact same, but still an idea on how to make the class feel rewarding since any major AI improvement would require a gargantuan amount of time and effort. I would not mind switching out RaO, though that was always my favorite elite.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Hey all,

Thanks for your constructive feedback on this subject. A few things I wanted to share:

• I know of at least one designer who was awake and reading your thoughts until 2:00 AM this morning. As promised, you are being heard…err… read.
• We need to do a moderator pass (not me, but a moderator or two) on this thread to take off a few of the nastier comments. There’s “salt” and there’s “really nasty” and I think all of us know the diff. We do not censor negative commentary. You’re welcome to say what you feel as long as it’s presented in a helpful and non-aggressive, non-insulting manner. But there seem to be a few comments that need to be removed, as they appear to cross the line. (Their removal will not change the content or the value of this thread in any way whatsoever.) Please know that the mods have been given strict instructions to only remove things that are truly a breach of the Forum CoC.
• One of our Forum Specialists, Wolfey, kindly put together a report last night, and we thank him for taking the time to do that. The devs are reading directly, but the report can help, too, so we’re glad to have that in hand.

You are welcome to continue to share your input and thank you for doing so in a helpful way.

I haven’t adressed any person on staff directly before but I really do want to do so now, I have only 1 question:
Will we get this issue adressed and “adjusted to usefull and/or balanced proportions” before BWE3 ?

I made an ascended zealot armor and put some cleric trinkets in my bank a couple of days ago with an (zealot) Ascneded staff and an ascneded LB.
I could use an idea of how powerfull druid will stay during heals and such… being able to stack a bit of might might offset the no dmg values on staff during a part of the time you’ll be playing. compared to zerk/cavalier or zerk /knights ranger with perma regen…

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Honestly, I don’t think this is true. Its been 3 years, the body of evidence is really against you. We want action, we want the devs to put forth a road map for ranger to explain what they think is wrong, fundamentally at the core of this is that the ranger community does not trust the devs, nor should we. They have disrespected this community for a long time, and now you are seeing the frustration boil over for 3 years of neglect.

Commenting again because I realized my last posts didn’t actually offer any possible solutions regarding WHAO balancing.

The balancing of We Heal as One, in my mind, depends largely on what the balance team feels is the “overpowering” issue of the skill as it existed on September 29.

Disclaimer: These are all logic-based solutions. I obviously don’t know how hard they are to implement via coding, and some may be harder than others. I am making a kittenumption in that I am considering all options to be possible. If I give any developers a headache as they mull these over (if they even read this post at all), then I apologize.

If the issue is the perma-quickness:

• Consider removing quickness from the list of boons that swap over from the pet when WHAO is used.

• Uncap might stacking.

• Cap movement-based boons (swiftness) at 30 seconds. If impossible to alter hard caps based on boon, apply the 30 second cap across the board, sans quickness, which will be removed from the table entirely.

If the issue is the sheer duration of the boons:

There are multiple options.

Option A:

• Hard cap all duration-based boons (fury, protection, regeneration, resistance, retaliation, swiftness, quickness, vigor) between 10 and 15 seconds. WHAO has an untraited 20 second cooldown. This will allow the swapped boons to expire before the skill comes off cooldown and reset their timers, preventing the minute-long durations that (I assume) were the issue.

• Uncap might stacking.

Option B:

• WHAO swaps between 50% and 60% of the boon’s remaining duration on the pet. So if you’ve managed to stack a 10 second protection boon onto you pet, when you pop WHAO your ranger gets between 5 and 6 seconds of protection, depending on the numbers that are ultimately chosen. This makes choosing when to pop WHAO very important in order to get the maximum benefit. It also opens up a fair amount of counterplay, as if another class identifies that the ranger is trying to stack boons, they can attempt to interrupt them or prevent the WHAO usage in order to reduce the ranger’s efficiency and ultimately hurt their boon upkeep.

• Again, uncap might stacking.

You’ll notice that I continuously say to uncap the might stacking. The reasoning for that is: in a game where a warrior can easily give 25 stacks of might across an entire party, and where an elementalist can continuously blast fire fields for area-wide might, there is, in my humble opinion, absolutely no reason to limit the ranger’s might stacking capability.

This is in part because the ranger has to waste a heal, an ultimate skill and pet swaps in order to get those 25 stacks of might, all of which have their own cooldowns and negatively effect the ranger if they use it at the wrong place or wrong time.

25 stacks of might also do not last long enough for more than one powerful burst of damage (the longbow #2 skill, Rapid Fire), which also has multiple forms of counterplay that I mentioned in one of my previous posts (again, to recap: reflects, invulnerability, blocking, and basic dodging, the last of which I actually forgot to mention prior). The only way to get those stacks to last longer is to trait for boon duration, at which point you’re hurting your damage and reducing your overall dps, might or no might.

I would like to add that WHaO with stronger boon transfers would potentially open up a fresh new damage dealing ranger build for raids. As far as I can tell, all rangers currently get is designated healbot and a relatively boring condition damage build.

There’s always FrostSpotter for direct damage, I suppose. The same old build we’ve had for years.

So about that WHaO, with the boons that only apply to ourselves and our pet and nobody else even though group buffs are paramount in PvE group play. Can you extend the cap on the copied boon durations some more, please. Then leave it for a couple of weeks so we can get a handle on whether this is worthwhile or not.

I would like to provide feedback on this. I work as a gameplay animator, I collaborate with game designers daily. The biggest obstacle however is the complete lack of direction for the class. Honestly, if the stated concern was quickness and protection up time why was the might stacking capped? Why was the boon duration effectively capped to 2 secs? That doesn’t provide much support for giving up a heal. If its supposed to just add a bit of support or effect to a heal why make the skill so terribly complicated. This does X if only Y and Z conditions are met and only for W amount of time divided by 2. Why not just make the heal apply X boons and call it a day? I don’t feel as any thought was given to the fix, it just seems that there was a problem so kill it with fire.

The biggest problem to giving targeted advice is that no one knows where the ranger is going. Well I mean its going straight into the crapper but that can’t possibly be the intended direction. Or maybe it is? Without a roadmap for how the ranger is intended to fit within the gameplay environment or what you envision this skill doing you’ll get a lot of wish listing and ideas but you are just blindfolding the community and telling them to find one really specific grain of sand on a beach. The ranger needs sustain, the ranger probably needs damage. I’ve never understood why pets were a mechanic that brought us supposedly even with the dps of other classes but could be easily killed or avoided. Its like having a warriors damage proportionally go down when its class mechanic bar is filled. I always thought if a pet can be dealt with so easily it should be something people WANT to kill to level the playing field, instead rangers are constantly fighting at a 1/3 disadvantage. Nothing about the synergy of this class makes much sense.

The buff before the nerf was really open to counter play. Corrupt boon made my ranger kersplode in wvw. Yeah the durations needed to be tweaked so things didn’t get out of hand on a few select boons but that didn’t scream for a gutting of the change. So why then make the added effect so weak in the hotfix? It wont lead to a niche build or more build variety and its really susceptible to counter play when a necro sees your rangers hand go up in the air. Overall the change does way more damage then good, gives no real personal support, puts a giant “Corrupt me now” bullseye on the ranger and over complicates something as trivial as “My health is low, I need to heal” which is all the skill is good for now, burst heal. So Ranger gets a big nerf while being told we’re being buffed (well sorta, no one in their right minds would run we heals as one now)

Its like the patient is bleeding to death so you chop off another arm to even things out. Oh well, its done and wont be looked at again for 6 months or so. Just sad that an opportunity was missed because of knee jerk panic.

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Look i truly do appreciate you coming here and advocating restraint, for me if this was 3 years ago i would be restrained. It is 3 years later, i have been restrained enough, i have been patient enough, i have dealt with all the neglect and outright undeserved mistreatment, i do not claim to speak for others but i bet deep down alot of those of us who main Rangers are FED UP.

Do you think Warriors would be happy if there New Elite Spec line was to be a healer ?

If Roy up and decided Warriors might stacking needed to be nerfed just like he decided WHaO was to be changed so drastically, that the Warrior community would be happy and pleased ?

It is years and years of this type of treatment, and it falls squarely on the shoulders of the developers.

While i will restrain from outright vitriolic statements, i am no longer going to be passive and let this continue without making it understood.

Please don’t tell me to relax it’s just a game, i know that, but it is the game i decide to place hours of my time into, hundreds of dollars into. I can choose to do this with another game, i don’t i choose this game, and i chose the Ranger as my favorite 3 years ago, and not once on that day did i think how great it would be to become a healer. . . Nor is it exciting to be barred from joining upper tier content because my class is so unreasonably useless compared to others.

Dradiin.8935:

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Look i truly do appreciate you coming here and advocating restraint, for me if this was 3 years ago i would be restrained. It’s is 3 years later, i have been restrained enough, i have been patient enough, i have dealt with all the neglect and outright undeserved mistreatment, i do not claim to speak for others but i bet deep down alot of those of us who main Rangers are FED UP.

Do you think Warriors would be happy if there New Elite Spec line was to be a healer ?

If Roy up and decided Warriors might stacking needed to be nerfed just like he decided WHaO was to be changed so drastically, that the Warrior community would be happy and pleased ?

It is years and years of this type of treatment, and it falls squarely on the shoulders of the developers.

While i will restrain from outright vitriolic statements, i am no longer going to be passive and let this continue without making it understood.

Please don’t tell me to relax it’s just i game, i know that, but it is the game i decide to place hours of my time into, hundreds of dollars into. I can choose to do this with another game, i don’t i choose this game, and i chose the Ranger as my favorite 3 years ago, and not once on that day did i think how great it would be to become a healer. . . Noe is it exciting to be barred from joining upper tier content because my class is so unreasonably useless compared to others.

/signed This is exactly how I feel. 3 years of neglect is enough.

Kitty.1502:

Dradiin.8935:

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Look i truly do appreciate you coming here and advocating restraint, for me if this was 3 years ago i would be restrained. It’s is 3 years later, i have been restrained enough, i have been patient enough, i have dealt with all the neglect and outright undeserved mistreatment, i do not claim to speak for others but i bet deep down alot of those of us who main Rangers are FED UP.

Do you think Warriors would be happy if there New Elite Spec line was to be a healer ?

If Roy up and decided Warriors might stacking needed to be nerfed just like he decided WHaO was to be changed so drastically, that the Warrior community would be happy and pleased ?

It is years and years of this type of treatment, and it falls squarely on the shoulders of the developers.

While i will restrain from outright vitriolic statements, i am no longer going to be passive and let this continue without making it understood.

Please don’t tell me to relax it’s just i game, i know that, but it is the game i decide to place hours of my time into, hundreds of dollars into. I can choose to do this with another game, i don’t i choose this game, and i chose the Ranger as my favorite 3 years ago, and not once on that day did i think how great it would be to become a healer. . . Noe is it exciting to be barred from joining upper tier content because my class is so unreasonably useless compared to others.

/signed This is exactly how I feel. 3 years of neglect is enough.

Thirded

AgitatedFox.5287:

Kitty.1502:

Dradiin.8935:

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Look i truly do appreciate you coming here and advocating restraint, for me if this was 3 years ago i would be restrained. It’s is 3 years later, i have been restrained enough, i have been patient enough, i have dealt with all the neglect and outright undeserved mistreatment, i do not claim to speak for others but i bet deep down alot of those of us who main Rangers are FED UP.

Do you think Warriors would be happy if there New Elite Spec line was to be a healer ?

If Roy up and decided Warriors might stacking needed to be nerfed just like he decided WHaO was to be changed so drastically, that the Warrior community would be happy and pleased ?

It is years and years of this type of treatment, and it falls squarely on the shoulders of the developers.

While i will restrain from outright vitriolic statements, i am no longer going to be passive and let this continue without making it understood.

Please don’t tell me to relax it’s just i game, i know that, but it is the game i decide to place hours of my time into, hundreds of dollars into. I can choose to do this with another game, i don’t i choose this game, and i chose the Ranger as my favorite 3 years ago, and not once on that day did i think how great it would be to become a healer. . . Noe is it exciting to be barred from joining upper tier content because my class is so unreasonably useless compared to others.

/signed This is exactly how I feel. 3 years of neglect is enough.

Thirded

Fourth, /Signed

Enough is Enough Anet =(

I’d like to see how nonconstructive the other profession can be, look at the development history of ranger and then apply it (in 5-6 week time) to the rest of the profession see if they are half a reasonable as this community has been.

Aomine.5012:

Holland.9351:

Aomine.5012:

Holland.9351:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Olcon.9506:

Another solution is, why not just remove quickness from the boons that are copied over? Is that hard to code, is that not a thing?

Literally the first thought I had when I read how they were nerfing it.

It wasn’t only about Quickness. People keep saying it, but it wasn’t.

You could quite easily get permanent Swiftness, Regeneration, Fury, Vigor and Protection with it. With help from a friendly guardian, you could get permanent Quickness easily on top of it (could also do it solo, but not as easy) and Retaliation too.

So it was pretty powerful, even without permanent Quickness.

The interaction with Forifying Bond made the boon durations add up quickly. It would also tripple the amount of Might and Stability stacks the Ranger would get. It wouldn’t increase their duration however, so keeping permanent 25 stacks of Might and Stability wasn’t possible.

The problem is that it got nerfed into non-existance instead of coming up with a proper fix. And you know, once they nerf something into non-existance, it’s usually never reviewed.

Another theory crafter who never use the build, like at all.

[..]

Really tired of all the theory-crafters who never even try the build in PVP. Great that you’re doing well against dummy though.

lol, I did extensively test it myself, that’s how I know what it could do. And yes I didn’t like it either. I went back to my old build. The investment wasn’t worth it.

However, that doesn’t make it any less true what I said.

Just because some couldn’t get it to work doesn’t mean it wasn’t overpowered.

So you think it doesn’t worth it because it’s inferior than your build, but it’s OP ?

Guess what you use is some God Build that are the most OP spec ever exist in the game right?

Or your definition of OP is way different than ours?

I don’t like it because it’s too far away from my prefered playstyle. I hate shouts, especially Guard.

I’ve been patient for more than 3 years. Guess that’s long enough. If you look at the uproar on this forum I think it’s fair to say that I’m not the only one who’s fed up with these “fixes” especially if u compare this to what is possible for other classes.
If this is not “constructive”, you are very right. You can only wear out people’s patience for so long. So pardon me for not being “constructive” right now. I’ve been constructive for three years now. Maybe devs should be “constructive” for once. We saw how “constructive” they can be yesterday. I think we earned the right to ask for that since we’ve been waiting for three years now. I’m simply fed up with the way rangers have been treated over the last three years. Once again, I think I earned the right to be “not constructive”.

CD673141-975B-42E9-8500-F0FEFF861A7D:

Since ranger pets are not functioning at the highest efficiency and ranger damage coefficients are calculated to include the pets, what about a grandmaster trait that woudl allow a ranger to exchange their furry/scaly/feathered friend for a % damage boost.

There was a trait in WHO (though maybe I shouldnt mention this, as warhammer was notoriously bad at balancing) for squig herder that allowed them to trade their squigs for a 25% damage boost.

Obviously the numbers wouldn’t be the exact same, but still an idea on how to make the class feel rewarding since any major AI improvement would require a gargantuan amount of time and effort. I would not mind switching out RaO, though that was always my favorite elite.

I would like to see more damage shifted towards the ranger away from the pet, baseline. If our damage is split like 7:3 change it to → 8:2? or 8.5:1.5

*We Heal As One: Tuned the copied boons to use flat duration values per boon and apply boons to the ranger pet before copying boons back to the player. This skill will now only grant three stacks of might if that boon is copied.

well. that was short lived.... back to troll unguent for 3 of my 4 rangers i guess >.>

Kailee.8790:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Kitty.1502:

Dradiin.8935:

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Look i truly do appreciate you coming here and advocating restraint, for me if this was 3 years ago i would be restrained. It’s is 3 years later, i have been restrained enough, i have been patient enough, i have dealt with all the neglect and outright undeserved mistreatment, i do not claim to speak for others but i bet deep down alot of those of us who main Rangers are FED UP.

Do you think Warriors would be happy if there New Elite Spec line was to be a healer ?

If Roy up and decided Warriors might stacking needed to be nerfed just like he decided WHaO was to be changed so drastically, that the Warrior community would be happy and pleased ?

It is years and years of this type of treatment, and it falls squarely on the shoulders of the developers.

While i will restrain from outright vitriolic statements, i am no longer going to be passive and let this continue without making it understood.

Please don’t tell me to relax it’s just i game, i know that, but it is the game i decide to place hours of my time into, hundreds of dollars into. I can choose to do this with another game, i don’t i choose this game, and i chose the Ranger as my favorite 3 years ago, and not once on that day did i think how great it would be to become a healer. . . Noe is it exciting to be barred from joining upper tier content because my class is so unreasonably useless compared to others.

/signed This is exactly how I feel. 3 years of neglect is enough.

Thirded

Fourth, /Signed

Enough is Enough Anet =(

I’m the fifth.

You, Anet, asked Genyen to provide a list of changes and feedback for rangers prior to the major trait changes. You promised that our suggestions would be taken into account, discussed, and changes would be made. We sat down together with people who have mained ranger for 3 years since release and beta, and know the class like the back of their hand. Eurantien, Talgo, Genyen, Myself, Saethe, and others talked and debated for hours and came up with a comprehensive list of what should be changed, and why we decided to change them.

You took one of the changes we deciding upon. A minor one, changing Enlargement from proccing at 25% health, to 50% health. That’s it. Hours of discussion with some of the best rangers in the game, only to have our opinions, thoughts, hopes and dreams, thrown aside like it was nothing.

Please. Its really upsetting, seeing what Anet has been doing to rangers for 3 years.

/signed

shadowpass.4236:

Kailee.8790:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Kitty.1502:

Dradiin.8935:

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Look i truly do appreciate you coming here and advocating restraint, for me if this was 3 years ago i would be restrained. It’s is 3 years later, i have been restrained enough, i have been patient enough, i have dealt with all the neglect and outright undeserved mistreatment, i do not claim to speak for others but i bet deep down alot of those of us who main Rangers are FED UP.

Do you think Warriors would be happy if there New Elite Spec line was to be a healer ?

If Roy up and decided Warriors might stacking needed to be nerfed just like he decided WHaO was to be changed so drastically, that the Warrior community would be happy and pleased ?

It is years and years of this type of treatment, and it falls squarely on the shoulders of the developers.

While i will restrain from outright vitriolic statements, i am no longer going to be passive and let this continue without making it understood.

Please don’t tell me to relax it’s just i game, i know that, but it is the game i decide to place hours of my time into, hundreds of dollars into. I can choose to do this with another game, i don’t i choose this game, and i chose the Ranger as my favorite 3 years ago, and not once on that day did i think how great it would be to become a healer. . . Noe is it exciting to be barred from joining upper tier content because my class is so unreasonably useless compared to others.

/signed This is exactly how I feel. 3 years of neglect is enough.

Thirded

Fourth, /Signed

Enough is Enough Anet =(

I’m the fifth.
Please. Its really upsetting, seeing what Anet has been doing to rangers for 3 years.
/signed

/signed

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Three things:

• Rangers in their current state are not as underpowered as everyone thinks they are.
• Rangers are actually extremely powerful in 1v1 situations in their current state.
• That Heal As One boon stacking wasn’t good and in no way was it OP.

Well, good to know your useless ego stroking 1v1 which contributes nothing to a single format or team objective play is what matters!

Kitty.1502:

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Honestly, I don’t think this is true. Its been 3 years, the body of evidence is really against you. We want action, we want the devs to put forth a road map for ranger to explain what they think is wrong, fundamentally at the core of this is that the ranger community does not trust the devs, nor should we. They have disrespected this community for a long time, and now you are seeing the frustration boil over for 3 years of neglect.

You’re welcome to believe what you want to believe.
I have direct communication with Gaile and I’m telling you what I see.

For those who do not know, Forum Specialists are not developers nor are we people who work for ANET. We are not given any type of compensation, we are players who report on the forums.

I’ve played Ranger since Guild Wars Prophecies and I love the class, I share the same frustration as you guys do. This is why I’m bothering to spend hours to assist ANET on this matter.

I’m ask you guys to not make @ $ $ 3 $ out of your selves when it comes to venting. It’s appropriate to be angry and it’s appropriate to be frustrated. I’m frustrated with a lot of things with Ranger. The difference, I’m not going to run around the forums naked yelling at the top of my lungs. I’d rather use this opportunity to spear head some positive change and use this as an opportunity to be learned from.

No one is telling you not to be angry, the only thing I’m asking and what ANET is asking is for you to use your anger in appropriate ways.

Instead of demanding for Roy to be crucified, what can he do to make up for this?

Instead of throwing Gail under the buss, what can she do to help us out?

My Time on Ranger:
6,652 Hours and 48 minutes / 10,686 hours and 48 minutes. out of the past 1,132 days.
Just under 3,000 games played in PvP as a Ranger.

I tell you this so you don’t think I’m some warrior or necro helping out to help out.

Wolfey, please ask Gaile to speak to me.

I am a guild leader of the largest ranger guild in the game, and I’ve played the class since release. If you really want to help rangers out, let me help the class.

Wolfey.3407:

Kitty.1502:

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Honestly, I don’t think this is true. Its been 3 years, the body of evidence is really against you. We want action, we want the devs to put forth a road map for ranger to explain what they think is wrong, fundamentally at the core of this is that the ranger community does not trust the devs, nor should we. They have disrespected this community for a long time, and now you are seeing the frustration boil over for 3 years of neglect.

You’re welcome to believe what you want to believe.
I have direct communication with Gaile and I’m telling you what I see.

For those who do not know, Forum Specialists are not developers nor are we people who work for ANET. We are not given any type of compensation, we are players who report on the forums.

I’ve played Ranger since Guild Wars Prophecies and I love the class, I share the same frustration as you guys do. This is why I’m bothering to spend hours to assist ANET on this matter.

I’m ask you guys to not make @ $ $ 3 $ out of your selves when it comes to venting. It’s appropriate to be angry and it’s appropriate to be frustrated. I’m frustrated with a lot of things with Ranger. The difference, I’m not going to run around the forums naked yelling at the top of my lungs. I’d rather use this opportunity to spear head some positive change and use this as an opportunity to be learned from.

No one is telling you not to be angry, the only thing I’m asking and what ANET is asking is for you to use your anger in appropriate ways.

Instead of demanding for Roy to be crucified, what can he do to make up for this?

Instead of throwing Gail under the buss, what can she do to help us out?

The issue is that we have been ignored for 3 years, the devs have treated this community rancidly, we have tried making suggestions, but you know what? The devs are none existent. They have never opened up dialogue or tried in any real attempt to improve the ranger, nor be open about what they think the ranger needs. If things are going to get better, than they need to stop hiding from the community set up a list of things they see as wrong with the class (we already have done this as a community for the past 3 years to no real avail) and have an open discussion with us. This is on them, but their history has shown that they fundamentally do not care, or want to interact with the ranger community that has put up with their contempt and neglect for the community for the past 3 years.

If only they were as quick to hotfix mainhand sword not locking you out of dodging, our damage in general with power weapons besides longbow not being terrible….

And of course the AoE spam that 1-2 shots even drakes, which are lower dps than jaguars on an already low dps class.

I’m about done with the class honestly. It’s been my main for almost 3 years and I’ve put up with the seemingly endless amount of problems, the complete and utter disregard from the devs for the class. This buff/nerf 100% proves how little the devs care about the class, wouldn’t surprise me if the devs simply hated the class, after all they have done just about everything to make sure it wasn’t meta in any game mode and have done as little as possible to help the class. I’m sure the healing from Druid will be nerfed to the ground within 5 minutes from ele and war cries and anet will listen because they have a kitten for them. Whatever, your on the verge of losing a player, not over this by itself just the bullkitten players of this class have had to and will continue to put up with over the course of this games life time.

Problem as I see it though is that whenever we have suggested something, it has either been ignored or implemented in a way that defeated the purpose of the suggestion (suggested HS as a trap in order to benefit from throwing traps for instance, and see what happened)

That said, it looks very odd to me to have one developer in charge of a class and then have another suddenly step in and make changes. Kind of looks like a ‘’too many cooks’’-situation.
Honestly I think the way forward would be to have a road map for ranger (one made through dialogue with the community) and have a clear view of who does what. If one dev is in charge of a class then interference from other devs looks unprofessional to say the least.

So to answer the questions, I don’t think there’s much Gaile can do as she’s not responsible for the changes either way and honestly (no offense to Gaile), I think it would be better for the devs to talk directly to the community about changes instead of having a middle-(wo)man between the community and dev.

What Roy could do would be to actually discuss with the ranger community on the forums rather than use twitter or other media like that. Also either he’s partially in charge of ranger, in which case he should be listening to the ranger community and helping with a road map for ranger, or he is not in charge of ranger in which case he should not be an active player in this.

Kitty.1502:

Wolfey.3407:

Kitty.1502:

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Honestly, I don’t think this is true. Its been 3 years, the body of evidence is really against you. We want action, we want the devs to put forth a road map for ranger to explain what they think is wrong, fundamentally at the core of this is that the ranger community does not trust the devs, nor should we. They have disrespected this community for a long time, and now you are seeing the frustration boil over for 3 years of neglect.

You’re welcome to believe what you want to believe.
I have direct communication with Gaile and I’m telling you what I see.

For those who do not know, Forum Specialists are not developers nor are we people who work for ANET. We are not given any type of compensation, we are players who report on the forums.

I’ve played Ranger since Guild Wars Prophecies and I love the class, I share the same frustration as you guys do. This is why I’m bothering to spend hours to assist ANET on this matter.

I’m ask you guys to not make @ $ $ 3 $ out of your selves when it comes to venting. It’s appropriate to be angry and it’s appropriate to be frustrated. I’m frustrated with a lot of things with Ranger. The difference, I’m not going to run around the forums naked yelling at the top of my lungs. I’d rather use this opportunity to spear head some positive change and use this as an opportunity to be learned from.

No one is telling you not to be angry, the only thing I’m asking and what ANET is asking is for you to use your anger in appropriate ways.

Instead of demanding for Roy to be crucified, what can he do to make up for this?

Instead of throwing Gail under the buss, what can she do to help us out?

The issue is that we have been ignored for 3 years, the devs have treated this community rancidly, we have tried making suggestions, but you know what? The devs are none existent. They have never opened up dialogue or tried in any real attempt to improve the ranger, nor be open about what they think the ranger needs. If things are going to get better, than they need to stop hiding from the community set up a list of things they see as wrong with the class (we already have done this as a community for the past 3 years to no real avail) and have an open discussion with us. This is on them, but their history has shown that they fundamentally do not care, or want to interact with the ranger community that has put up with their contempt and neglect for the community for the past 3 years.

Now that they want to open up dialogue and want to give us attention, do you want them to go away? do you want them to leave with the impression that no matter what they try to do Rangers will never be happy?

Ya, it would be nice if we got the attention 3 years earlier, it would be nice if everything went our way. But guess what, it’s happened… You can’t do anything about it, I can’t do anything about it, O’Brien Can’t Do anything about it, and not even Mad King Thorn can do anything about it to change it from happening.

We can sit on our hands and rage at the monitors or we can try and actually have our annoyances, bugs, broken content, and grievances resolved.

You and every one else, are more than welcome to vent off and rage. I, on the other hand plan to be diplomatic about this and work to get things done as much as I can. (With the understanding I’m not a developer or have dev rights).

Wolfey.3407:

Kitty.1502:

Wolfey.3407:

Kitty.1502:

Wolfey.3407:

Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.

You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.

I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.

TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.

Honestly, I don’t think this is true. Its been 3 years, the body of evidence is really against you. We want action, we want the devs to put forth a road map for ranger to explain what they think is wrong, fundamentally at the core of this is that the ranger community does not trust the devs, nor should we. They have disrespected this community for a long time, and now you are seeing the frustration boil over for 3 years of neglect.

You’re welcome to believe what you want to believe.
I have direct communication with Gaile and I’m telling you what I see.

For those who do not know, Forum Specialists are not developers nor are we people who work for ANET. We are not given any type of compensation, we are players who report on the forums.

I’ve played Ranger since Guild Wars Prophecies and I love the class, I share the same frustration as you guys do. This is why I’m bothering to spend hours to assist ANET on this matter.

I’m ask you guys to not make @ $ $ 3 $ out of your selves when it comes to venting. It’s appropriate to be angry and it’s appropriate to be frustrated. I’m frustrated with a lot of things with Ranger. The difference, I’m not going to run around the forums naked yelling at the top of my lungs. I’d rather use this opportunity to spear head some positive change and use this as an opportunity to be learned from.

No one is telling you not to be angry, the only thing I’m asking and what ANET is asking is for you to use your anger in appropriate ways.

Instead of demanding for Roy to be crucified, what can he do to make up for this?

Instead of throwing Gail under the buss, what can she do to help us out?

The issue is that we have been ignored for 3 years, the devs have treated this community rancidly, we have tried making suggestions, but you know what? The devs are none existent. They have never opened up dialogue or tried in any real attempt to improve the ranger, nor be open about what they think the ranger needs. If things are going to get better, than they need to stop hiding from the community set up a list of things they see as wrong with the class (we already have done this as a community for the past 3 years to no real avail) and have an open discussion with us. This is on them, but their history has shown that they fundamentally do not care, or want to interact with the ranger community that has put up with their contempt and neglect for the community for the past 3 years.

Now that they want to open up dialogue and want to give us attention, do you want them to go away? do you want them to leave with the impression that no matter what they try to do Rangers will never be happy?

Ya, it would be nice if we got the attention 3 years earlier, it would be nice if everything went our way. But guess what, it’s happened… You can’t do anything about it, I can’t do anything about it, O’Brien Can’t Do anything about it, and not even Mad King Thorn can do anything about it to change it from happening.

We can sit on our hands and rage at the monitors or we can try and actually have our annoyances, bugs, broken content, and grievances resolved.

You and every one else, are more than welcome to vent off and rage. I, on the other hand plan to be diplomatic about this and work to get things done as much as I can. (With the understanding I’m not a developer or have dev rights).

They aren’t speaking or opening a dialogue. Their actions are speaking louder than your words(and I am trying not to word this as an attack against your or the devs personally). I don’t believe they will ever speak, they have done this exact same routine before. Said they wanted to speak the community never did they do it. Never did they reach out. So until they actually start doing it (which they still haven’t yet to do it), I will not believe it. The past 3 years of lies and neglect has made me not trust the devs word when it comes to Rangers.

No offense but if they were interested in positive change they would have opened a dialog BEFORE getting stuck on stupid with the nerf hammer.

Besides, they have a whole CDI full of advice. I suggest that its not that they can’t make positive design iterations in regards to the ranger along the community’s desires, its simply that they don’t want to for whatever reason that they are unwilling to share.

The idea that they will revisit this skill before a balance patch is baffling, they made the nerf. Its a closed issue for them now.

Aria.5940:

So to answer the questions, I don’t think there’s much Gaile can do as she’s not responsible for the changes either way and honestly (no offense to Gaile), I think it would be better for the devs to talk directly to the community about changes instead of having a middle-(wo)man between the community and dev.

What Roy could do would be to actually discuss with the ranger community on the forums rather than use twitter or other media like that. Also either he’s partially in charge of ranger, in which case he should be listening to the ranger community and helping with a road map for ranger, or he is not in charge of ranger in which case he should not be an active player in this.

I have requested in my report for Roy to come on the Forums and explain why he did what he did and asked that he promises to use the website for any planned nerfs as well as talk with the players before swinging the nerf bat.

If he will do so or not, is yet to be seen or determined. With how heated this has become, it may be some time to ensure nothing is said out of line.

Mr Pin.6728:

No offense but if they were interested in positive change they would have opened a dialog BEFORE getting stuck on stupid with the nerf hammer.

Besides, they have a whole CDI full of advice. I suggest that its not that they can’t make positive design iterations in regards to the ranger along the community’s desires, its simply that they don’t want to for whatever reason that they are unwilling to share.

The idea that they will revisit this skill before a balance patch is baffling, they made the nerf. Its a closed issue for them now.

No offense taken,
there is an old saying:
“Strike while the Iron is hot”

It’s blazing hot and a couple of them are currently sitting on the iron.

I do understand where you are coming from though.

Appropriate ways.
What exactly should the players do? Sit in a circle and hold hands? People here have been dumped on for long enough.

Instead of asking what the players can do or that we should show restraint, it should be the devs not the players showing us what they are going to do to appease their player base, a specific part of it that rightly feels neglected and sees many times over different treatment from other ‘pro player’ classes.

Its up to Anet to placete this.
If they don’t let it burn I say.

Im tired daily of some different elitist prick laughing and insulting my class choice due to the lack of simple support from anet.

i think the sad truth behind this act ultimately is that they simply don’t test anything, in any depth, before making it go live. it’s as if they gave us WHaO while it was still in its conceptual phase, as if it was maybe tested by someone who never played ranger before. this is the disheartening part. if any of us tested this before release, we could have told them within 10-15 minutes that certain boons could be perma maintained. this knee jerk reaction is the proof that they simply don’t have anyone who plays ranger testing this stuff, which is why so many of our GM’s in June were half-baked and useless. i don’t wanna wait another 6 months before our useless weapons and utilities get looked at again.

i keep saying, if you cant get competent ranger (or any class for that matter) players to test the kitten out of something, put it up on a PTR and we’ll do it for you. i cant understand this resistance.

mistsim.2748:

i think the sad truth behind this act ultimately is that they simply don’t test anything, in any depth, before making it go live. it’s as if they gave us WHaO while it was still in its conceptual phase, as if it was maybe tested by someone who never played ranger before. this is the disheartening part. if any of us tested this before released, we could have told them within 10-15 minutes that certain boons could be perma maintained. this knee jerk reaction is the proof that they simply don’t have anyone who plays ranger testing this stuff, which is why so many of our GM’s in June were half-baked and useless. i don’t wanna wait another 6 months before our useless weapons and utilities get looked at again.

Honestly, I would not be surprised if no one on the balance/character design team (testers or devs) actually played ranger as a primary or secondary class. The changes they make just scream of not fundamentally understanding the class and if they do then it is even worse than that…

Guys…guys.. lets take them at their word and just fill the forums with constructive suggestions. I know anet doesnt have the best ranger track record, but I don’t think they deliberately do these things to harm the class. I know it sucks to see your favorite profession constantly left behind. Venting this frustration doesn’t do us any good other than as an outlet. If they say we have their ear for class improvement, lets try to take advantage of it and see if we can get some kitten done about the issues.

Wolfey, would you say it would be best to put all of our class feedback into this thread? or just that relevant to WHaO? I’ve been trying to brainstorm things that would work well as improvements (such as the recommendations from either of my previous 2 comments).

A few more to boot:
-Gonna comment on potential GS tuning thoughts here, as it is my favorite weapon to use on my rng (longbow feels too "plink"y to me, like i’m hurling toothpicks. gs feels visceral, I like that).

1) A slight AA dps boost would be nice. Nothing major, maybe just like 10% as mesmers just saw on their 1h sword AA.

2) It would be nice if the windup on maul was hurried up a little bit. That telegraph can feel like forever, and frequently only lands in pvp because I faceroll the keyboard into turning with the opponent mid cast.

3) leave swoop as is. It is already awesome and probably my favorite move in the kit.

4) Ok I have a pretty serious gripe with counter attack, and that is just that it doesn’t feel punishing enough for the fun mechanic. If you’re fighting someone and they see you cower behind your gs, if they are silly enough to attack anyways it should PUNISH them. I’m talking like a 1-2 second knockdown punish, not just a knockback. The mindgame behind this mechanic in trying to shove it into your enemies face when they want to be using dps moves is nice. I also like the fact that it has the alterantive use of throwing for the cripple.

5) Hilt bash— just feels clunky and unresponsive to me. It’s nigh impossible to use on a running target to get the from behind stun because most players can literally just walk out of it. Either polish this a bit or else once more give it more reward to the ranger player. Maybe exchange the 50% damage bonus to pet’s next attack to 25% or 30% bonus to the ranger’s next attack.

Hopefully I didn’t just put this in the wrong place.

P.S.: I’m imagining someone is about to call out the fact that I also play mesmer. I like my mesmer, but it is not nearly as close to my heart as ranger would be. Ranger was my gw1 main for the entirety of the game, and my gw2 main for the vast majority of my play here too. I would really like to come back to the class.

Reavan.8753:

Appropriate ways.
What exactly should the players do? Sit in a circle and hold hands? People here have been dumped on for long enough.

Instead of asking what the players can do or that we should show restraint, it should be the devs not the players showing us what they are going to do to appease their player base, a specific part of it that rightly feels neglected and sees many times over different treatment from other ‘pro player’ classes.

Its up to Anet to placete this.
If they don’t let it burn I say.

Im tired daily of some different elitist prick laughing and insulting my class choice due to the lack of simple support from anet.

First portion,
What i’m saying is keep the personal attacks out of the hate and rage.

The rest of what you’re saying I agree with, It’s up to anet to carry the ball and have something productive come from this.

Zenith.7301:

If only they were as quick to hotfix mainhand sword not locking you out of dodging

That seems to be tied to the range attached to 1b and 1c. It’s just a hunch on my part after observing how Moa form works and other physical skills with range that exceed 170.

I honestly don’t think there is a hot-fix for main-hand sword the way it’s coded to allow dodges while retaining its current behavior. There are alternatives, but those seem to cause more controversy to the minority that like sword the way it is.

IE: Reduce the range to 130-150 on 1b & 1c; Convert the entire auto attack chain to a standard sword chain; code 1b & 1c to output coned strikes so the attacks can retain the range at the cost of the player not leaping towards the direction/target (think Lightning Whip on Elementalist main-hand dagger – 300 range).

Again, all speculation.

Edited to add more.

Repeating “Nobody at Anet mains / secondaries the ranger,” “Anet hates the ranger class,” “It’s been this way for three years,” etc. etc. ad infinium does not help the situation now and it won’t help the situation in the future. It does not constitute constructive criticism.

I understand perfectly that tensions are running high. But constantly saying “fix it NOW!” without describing what needs fixing will get us nowhere. I urge everyone to take a step back, vent, and then come back when emotions have cooled.

As for dumping ALL feedback here or keeping it specific to WHAO, I would personally suggest keeping it related to We Heal as One, as that is the title of this thread and I believe it would be more prudent to focus on one thing at a time, instead of overwhelming any developer reading this with a list of complaints a mile long, and further obscuring focus.

Obviously I’m not the boss here, I’m just a player. But until a developer/red post/Wolfey tells me otherwise, I do suggest keeping discussion and brainstorming related to the topic this thread was made to handle.

To Wolfey, and Gaile: Thank you for caring, and I will take your word that developers are watching this and having back-room conversations.