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Treetoptrickster.4205:

I just wanted to know why people don’t enjoy playing the healer archetype. Then this happened. Interesting though.

You are asking in the Ranger forum specifically. This means that, in theory at least, you are not asking people in general but rather people who play Ranger with enough devotion that they spend time in this particular subsection of a subsection of the forum as a whole.

If they had been playing their ranger since prior to the druid reveal it seems, to me at least, highly unlikely that they created their ranger with the intention of playing it as a dedicated healer.

I do not dislike playing a healer. I have done so in other games (admittedly more in Pen and Paper than computer RPG). I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that some significant number of those dissatisfied with the druid spec also do not dislike paying healers. They may very well, however, dislike playing a healer on a class that they chose based on a description that made it very clear that the class was not designed to be a healer.

I think a better thread topic/question might have been:

“Why, after waiting for more than three years for a significant update to the profession, do you not want the first elite spec, for a profession that was chosen based on a concept that did not include being a healer, to so heavily emphasize heals?”

Point of clarification:

I am glad that some, perhaps even many, people are looking forward to what the druid has to offer. I am merely attempting to explain why I think others might not be.

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I just wanted to know why people don’t enjoy playing the healer archetype..[/quote]

Because it’s boring. Because I don’t enjoy it. Because I don’t want to sit there not killing something for hours on end. Because all the healer I need to play is blasting a water field and the job is done.

It’s funny because my sister and I couldn’t be more Different. She LOVES playing the healer role. That’s why she rolled a Guardian. But, she’ll admit, she wants to do decent DPS too… But she likes playing support through defensive and offensive means.

you cant actually just heal using the avatar. to fill up your bar, you have to do damage AND heal others. that’s the fun part. I feel there’s a lot of confusion here…we’re not “stuck” in avatar mode all the time. in fact, we get to use our utilities and elites as well.

Yeah, but healing fills up that bar a whole lot faster than damage, so, 2.5% vs .25% right? It’s obvious Irenio wants you healing to get to the CAF. It synergizes well with the staff for that reason, and doesn’t with Dps builds, for the same reason.

Ashen.2907:

Treetoptrickster.4205:

I just wanted to know why people don’t enjoy playing the healer archetype. Then this happened. Interesting though.

You are asking in the Ranger forum specifically. This means that, in theory at least, you are not asking people in general but rather people who play Ranger with enough devotion that they spend time in this particular subsection of a subsection of the forum as a whole.

If they had been playing their ranger since prior to the druid reveal it seems, to me at least, highly unlikely that they created their ranger with the intention of playing it as a dedicated healer.

I do not dislike playing a healer. I have done so in other games (admittedly more in Pen and Paper than computer RPG). I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that some significant number of those dissatisfied with the druid spec also do not dislike paying healers. They may very well, however, dislike playing a healer on a class that they chose based on a description that made it very clear that the class was not designed to be a healer.

I think a better thread topic/question might have been:

“Why, after waiting for more than three years for a significant update to the profession, do you not want the first elite spec, for a profession that was chosen based on a concept that did not include being a healer, to so heavily emphasize heals?”

Point of clarification:

I am glad that some, perhaps even many, people are looking forward to what the druid has to offer. I am merely attempting to explain why I think others might not be.

Good point, it could be true that people don’t want to play it because they didn’t choose the Ranger to be a healer. That’s more about why people are opposed to it being so rather than about the actual lack of enjoyment for playing a healer though.

You did get me thinking about how people aren’t fully understanding the purpose of elite specs though. In the simplest way I can explain it, I can’t understand those who are outraged because the elite spec isn’t what they wanted it to be. I mean sure, it sucks that the new and shiny pair of shoes you just got don’t fit your style, but people shouldn’t be asking for another pair and discarding the one they could really use those shoes.

The Ranger wasn’t designed to be a healer, but elite specs were designed to open up playstyle a previously unavailable to a profession. If the Druid were to just do more of what the class already does it would be pointless and would be compared to other trait lines in the class (see daredevil). People wouldn’t even be pleased with a pure DPS spec if it overshadowed what Marksmanship was supposed to do. Elite specs are supposed to expand the capability and themes of professions. As long as any given elite spec works well, is viable and good what it does, will have a place, and is at least somewhat tied to the theme of the base class (in this case nature) it should be accepted. Even if it isn’t the current meta or if it isn’t what you wanted. It just adds to what the profession can do and opens up more reasons to pick a Ranger.

You might not have wanted to be a healer as a Ranger, but now it’s possible, and that is only a good thing. People will just have to wait for an elite spec that fills a role they like. Anet wanted every profession to be able to fill every role to some degree, and these elite specs are their way of doing that as well as opening up new roles. The shoe may not fit you, but if it fits the class… let it wear it.

Aomine.5012:

Bran.7425:

Mcrocha.3891:

The drop-off of taking a class over the Ranger is not that bad unless you’re trying to run fully optimized world record breaking speedruns, which 99.99% of the community is not doing. Don’t exaggerate to make it appear that things are worse than they appear.

Here the thing even without being part of those speedruns, the ideas of effectiveness bleed over into the general game, so there is the problem of perception over reality.

Yeah, the reality is this game is easy enough that anything can work.

But it’s always better to pick the 4 top professions, assuming all of them have the same skill-level/ experience. This is fact.

But my point is not only does Druid not solve any of the ranger’s problem, it ultimately derails its theme entirely.

That’s not a bad thing.

It’s theme is that it has a pet.
The problem is that the best DPS pets are melee, effectively forcing them to clip into the ranger to maximize damage. This nullifies the benefit of sharing damage with a second entity.

As useful as the pet is in 5v5 pvp, it’s nearly pointless in PvE and virtually worthless in WvW/GvG.

We now have a completely different theme which is going to be useful in group pvp and probably useful to less skillful groups in raids.

They have struggled with the pet for three years and decided to finally throw in the towel and I’m happy for it.

Substance E.4852:

Aomine.5012:

Bran.7425:

Mcrocha.3891:

The drop-off of taking a class over the Ranger is not that bad unless you’re trying to run fully optimized world record breaking speedruns, which 99.99% of the community is not doing. Don’t exaggerate to make it appear that things are worse than they appear.

Here the thing even without being part of those speedruns, the ideas of effectiveness bleed over into the general game, so there is the problem of perception over reality.

Yeah, the reality is this game is easy enough that anything can work.

But it’s always better to pick the 4 top professions, assuming all of them have the same skill-level/ experience. This is fact.

But my point is not only does Druid not solve any of the ranger’s problem, it ultimately derails its theme entirely.

That’s not a bad thing.

It’s theme is that it has a pet.
The problem is that the best DPS pets are melee, effectively forcing them to clip into the ranger to maximize damage. This nullifies the benefit of sharing damage with a second entity.

As useful as the pet is in 5v5 pvp, it’s nearly pointless in PvE and virtually worthless in WvW/GvG.

We now have a completely different theme which is going to be useful in group pvp and probably useful to less skillful groups in raids.

They have struggled with the pet for three years and decided to finally throw in the towel and I’m happy for it.

That’s why dedicated rangers are angry.

They can’t fix ranger, so they change it into a new class.

Umm… If I want to play a new class which is healer, I’d have done so….

Like I said earlier, all the other Specializations (except Dragon Hunter) are a enhancement of one aspect of their original profession. (Be it Shroud, Shatter, Adrenaline, anything).

For Druid, it’s a complete different class that has nothing to do with ranger.

I always joked that I lived in fear of the day I’d read the patch notes and see, “Fixed a bug where Rangers were still in the game.” I didn’t realise this was a legitimate concern. Apparently I just have to get used to my new role as a Monk. But at least we get to be a medium armour Monk now? Maybe our next elite spec will be Smiting. I liked playing a smiter.

Aomine.5012:

Like I said earlier, all the other Specializations (except Dragon Hunter) are a enhancement of one aspect of their original profession. (Be it Shroud, Shatter, Adrenaline, anything).

For Druid, it’s a complete different class that has nothing to do with ranger.

Not really, you can make similar arguments about for example engineers, e.g – if I wanted to play a melee class I’d of picked warrior, guard, etc, engy is supposed to be “mid ranged” according to Anet, they have completely changed that with hammer.

But then that is what specialisations are meant to do add a new play style, Druid does that.

Aomine.5012:

Umm… If I want to play a new class which is healer, I’d have done so….

No you wouldn’t, there was no healer, it was not an option, Druid is the first thing even vaguely close to a healer, and even then it is more like a hybrid as you have two other trait lines, another weapon, choice of pets, choice of utils/elite, choice of gear, plus some damage, CC & utility in Druid.

SkiTz.4590:

you are automatically better at healing…. at the expense of DPS/Group Support.
What aura or boons can druid give to a team? nothing (still same ole spotter/frost spirit)
I don’t see versatility – I see a lot of heals – way more than necessary , a couple condi cleanses – good and NO boon/aura share and group utilities (only one is stealth/superspeed lol….)

You can’t say its versatile when 80% of the spec is purely healing……the other 20% is some PbAOE CC, minor condis, glyphs

This is because it is one traitline. It is a specialisation. There are trade-offs.

You could moan just the same about Marksmanship not providing enough pet support, or skirmishing not providing enough CC.

You can’t have your cake and eat it.

Tapioca.9062:

Apparently I just have to get used to my new role as a Monk. But at least we get to be a medium armour Monk now? Maybe our next elite spec will be Smiting. I liked playing a smiter.

The QQ is real.

Here’s an alternative for you: don’t take the Druid traitline.

There. Now you don’t have to be better at healing. I along with most others however will happily enjoy being healing Druids and adding diversity to the rest of our builds without you.

Bryzy.2719:

Tapioca.9062:

Apparently I just have to get used to my new role as a Monk. But at least we get to be a medium armour Monk now? Maybe our next elite spec will be Smiting. I liked playing a smiter.

The QQ is real.

Here’s an alternative for you: don’t take the Druid traitline.

There. Now you don’t have to be better at healing. I along with most others however will happily enjoy being healing Druids and adding diversity to the rest of our builds without you.

“its new and has the word elite in it so i must play it but its now what I want therefore i must complain about it”

I just hope they rework the party system to help healers receive rewards. A party kill tagging system would be nice so a heal gets credit for the groups accomplishments.

CptnDrunk.8361:

I just hope they rework the party system to help healers receive rewards. A party kill tagging system would be nice so a heal gets credit for the groups accomplishments.

Yeah, I think this will be one of the biggest issues raised in group content given the current nature of the “get past dat damage threshold or no loot for you!” It certainly needs to take into account group aid effort like healing and rezzing IMO.

Bryzy.2719:

Tapioca.9062:

Apparently I just have to get used to my new role as a Monk. But at least we get to be a medium armour Monk now? Maybe our next elite spec will be Smiting. I liked playing a smiter.

The QQ is real.

Here’s an alternative for you: don’t take the Druid traitline.

There. Now you don’t have to be better at healing. I along with most others however will happily enjoy being healing Druids and adding diversity to the rest of our builds without you.

But why wouldn’t I take the new Ranger elite spec? I get to do amazing Ranger things like conjure healing laser beams or turn into a healing starman. It’s just like the other elite specs where Mesmer get an interesting new shatter effect, Warriors get interesting new Adrenaline effects, Necromancers get an interesting new shroud effect or Thieves get an interesting new mobility effect. Rangers get their existing profession mechanic augmented by… Oh wait, no, it gets completely ignored in favour of having something completely unrelated to Rangers being strapped on out of nowhere.

It’s not just that I don’t want to play a healer. Sure, I don’t, but who made their Ranger before the announcement with the idea of playing a Ranger as a healer? What I don’t like is that even taken as the concept as an elite specialisation Druid is a poor fit thematically for Ranger as a profession. Druid would make a great elite specialisation for a Monk which is why it’s a shame that we don’t have a Monk profession that it could be given to instead of being jury-rigged onto us.

Tapioca.9062:

Bryzy.2719:

Tapioca.9062:

Apparently I just have to get used to my new role as a Monk. But at least we get to be a medium armour Monk now? Maybe our next elite spec will be Smiting. I liked playing a smiter.

The QQ is real.

Here’s an alternative for you: don’t take the Druid traitline.

There. Now you don’t have to be better at healing. I along with most others however will happily enjoy being healing Druids and adding diversity to the rest of our builds without you.

Rangers get their existing profession mechanic augmented by… Oh wait, no, it gets completely ignored in favour of having something completely unrelated to Rangers being strapped on out of nowhere.

It’s not just that I don’t want to play a healer. Sure, I don’t, but who made their Ranger before the announcement with the idea of playing a Ranger as a healer? What I don’t like is that even taken as the concept as an elite specialisation Druid is a poor fit thematically for Ranger as a profession. Druid would make a great elite specialisation for a Monk which is why it’s a shame that we don’t have a Monk profession that it could be given to instead of being jury-rigged onto us.

1. You’re not a Ranger anymore if you take the Elite specialisation, you’re a Druid.

2. “who made their Ranger before the announcement with the idea of playing a Ranger as a healer?”

This is a redundant argument. Firstly you’re not playing a Ranger as a healer, you’d be playing a Druid. That’s if you wanted to heal at all, and if you choose to specialise as a Druid. Look up the definition of ‘specialisation’. As I’ve said around a million times now, taking the Druid traitline does not automatically make you a healer. It makes you better at healing. Here, have 4 other builds that use the Druid traitline that aren’t healing focussed: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Druid-Build-Brainstorming-Templates-for-BWE/first#post5540015

3. I’m willing to assert that most of the Ranger community disagrees with you when you claim that Druid is not a decent fit for the Ranger theme. It is arguably the best Espec in terms of follow-on theme. In virtually every other MMO that has a Druid, it derives from a Ranger or Hunter class. Ranger is nature themed. Druid is nature themed (you can’t get much more natural than celestial bodies, of which I’ll remind you the Earth and everything it contains is one).

Knighthonor.4061:

anduriell.6280:

Knighthonor.4061:

anduriell.6280:

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Mainly heal is good, only heal is bad

My point is that it’s optional to only heal. You dont have to take Glyphs or Staff f
to play a Druid.

I don’t need to use anything from the Druid to play the Druid, right?
My point is having an spec focused exclusively in burst heal and nothing more is a dumb class concept.
I know you are thinking i play my meta zerk and i use my avatar as my heal bot to heal myself when I needed .
I don’t want the druid to became the zerker meta healing sustain. I’d like the druid to be a support class oriented to healing but that can offer more support than just heal so it will not be redundant once the other players learn to use the revenant or the scrapper.

NOT COOL BRUH, NOT COOL.

Again:

Mainly healing is good, only healing is bad.

Mavander.3208:

No one made a Ranger to be a healer. NO ONE. No one invested hours or days of their life into building up a ranger so that it can be a healer. This is just a fact. No one did. It was not even an option. And we were okay with that.

Just this, I play a Ranger, have only ever played a Ranger, I don’t want to be a healer of any sort, I don’t want to be pressured by people in the game to go “healer”.

I don’t like it and I don’t want it.

Somebody said in a post some time ago, they saved the best elite (Ranger) to last, wrong they saved the worst for last.

(There’s a lot of “don’t” in there).

I’m willing to see how it goes, but it could also be time to move on.

^ THEN DON’T TAKE THE DRUID TRAITLINE AND DON’T BE A BLOODY HEALER.

Jesus Christ what is so difficult to grasp?

Your argument amounts to “Druid didn’t take the direction I wanted it to boohoo”.

The rest of us are happy with it, you’ll just have to wait for the next Espec or – a wild idea – continue playing Ranger as you have been doing these last 3 years.

Bryzy.2719:

^ THEN DON’T TAKE THE DRUID TRAITLINE AND DON’T BE A BLOODY HEALER.

Jesus Christ what is so difficult to grasp?

Your argument amounts to “Druid didn’t take the direction I wanted it to boohoo”.

The rest of us are happy with it, you’ll just have to wait for the next Espec or – a wild idea – continue playing Ranger as you have been doing these last 3 years.

Like I said, Rangers are likely to be pressured into going healer.

And there’s really no need to be so aggressive, just saying how “I” feel about it.

Here is what I do not understand, most people who play this game know that all classes are versatile in this game, and can do different things so please explain to me the logic behind ranger was not designed to heal? Guardians where not designed with longbow yet they are getting it, classes can be flexible to do anything if they add the skills but constantly saying a class is not designed to do this is getting really annoying, and makes no sense, people need to open there minds a bit more I am sorry that you constantly hyped yourself up to get druid but you know what? You do not get to make the game decisions and anet is not going to magically change it all for you. This is what they wanted to do and allot of people are happy to ok with it. This is not the be all end all I am sure more specs will come later, they are working on other changes as well and to be frank people need to get over it, I cannot fathom how anyone gets this stressed out over a video game and the concept theme of the class.

And I wont even begin to acknowledge people griping about the game not working for healing, anet would not do it if they didnt know what they where doing, they are professionals you know.

Bryzy.2719:

Tapioca.9062:

Bryzy.2719:

Tapioca.9062:

Apparently I just have to get used to my new role as a Monk. But at least we get to be a medium armour Monk now? Maybe our next elite spec will be Smiting. I liked playing a smiter.

The QQ is real.

Here’s an alternative for you: don’t take the Druid traitline.

There. Now you don’t have to be better at healing. I along with most others however will happily enjoy being healing Druids and adding diversity to the rest of our builds without you.

Rangers get their existing profession mechanic augmented by… Oh wait, no, it gets completely ignored in favour of having something completely unrelated to Rangers being strapped on out of nowhere.

It’s not just that I don’t want to play a healer. Sure, I don’t, but who made their Ranger before the announcement with the idea of playing a Ranger as a healer? What I don’t like is that even taken as the concept as an elite specialisation Druid is a poor fit thematically for Ranger as a profession. Druid would make a great elite specialisation for a Monk which is why it’s a shame that we don’t have a Monk profession that it could be given to instead of being jury-rigged onto us.

1. You’re not a Ranger anymore if you take the Elite specialisation, you’re a Druid.

2. “who made their Ranger before the announcement with the idea of playing a Ranger as a healer?”

This is a redundant argument. Firstly you’re not playing a Ranger as a healer, you’d be playing a Druid. That’s if you wanted to heal at all, and if you choose to specialise as a Druid. Look up the definition of ‘specialisation’. As I’ve said around a million times now, taking the Druid traitline does not automatically make you a healer. It makes you better at healing. Here, have 4 other builds that use the Druid traitline that aren’t healing focussed: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Druid-Build-Brainstorming-Templates-for-BWE/first#post5540015

3. I’m willing to assert that most of the Ranger community disagrees with you when you claim that Druid is not a decent fit for the Ranger theme. It is arguably the best Espec in terms of follow-on theme. In virtually every other MMO that has a Druid, it derives from a Ranger or Hunter class. Ranger is nature themed. Druid is nature themed (you can’t get much more natural than celestial bodies, of which I’ll remind you the Earth and everything it contains is one).

I have no doubts that you’re willing to assert it. However you’ve also made it clear that you’re willing to assert many things that aren’t correct. If the majority of players in the community were happy with this we wouldn’t be seeing the kind dissatisfaction and friction that we are. You are not in a position to speak for the entire community, no matter how condescending you choose to be.

In addition to this, it is a farce to argue that Druid is a better thematic fit than Chronomancer which is a direct thematic follow-on to existing Mesmer themes. The same can be said of Berserker and Scrapper. They are much better fits than Druid will ever be. Both in function and theme.

To continue on with things you willingly and incorrectly assert as true, Druid is not a new profession. It is a new trait line. No matter how much it feels like an entirely new profession given its complete disconnect in theme and function from its profession. So no, you don’t stop being a Ranger when you trait into the Druid line. In Guild Wars 2 all Druids are Rangers even if all Rangers aren’t Druids. So you can’t just handwave away the inconvenient truth that nobody made a Ranger to play like this.

You can also claim that you don’t have to play the Druid as a healer, but when every single one of your minor traits is related to healing in some way if you’re not healing in some capacity you’re wasting traits. Which is the principle problem, given that this has nothing at all to do with Rangers or existing Ranger mechanics. None of the skills interact with the pet in any meaningful way and none of the pet mechanics are changed. It’s ridiculous. We don’t see Mesmers cobbling together robo-minions, or Elementalists leaping around like Spiderman on performance enhancing substances, or Necromancers channeling holy energy in new and interesting ways. Because those wouldn’t fit with their existing profession themes in the same way that turning into spacey healy man has absolutely nothing to do with Rangers.

Solid Gold.9310:

Bryzy.2719:

^ THEN DON’T TAKE THE DRUID TRAITLINE AND DON’T BE A BLOODY HEALER.

Jesus Christ what is so difficult to grasp?

Your argument amounts to “Druid didn’t take the direction I wanted it to boohoo”.

The rest of us are happy with it, you’ll just have to wait for the next Espec or – a wild idea – continue playing Ranger as you have been doing these last 3 years.

Like I said, Rangers are likely to be pressured into going healer.

And there’s really no need to be so aggressive, just saying how “I” feel about it.

And like I said, if you don’t want to play healer, don’t play it.

The only potential “pressure” from others would come from the Raid content: you’re forgetting the game modes that are far more significant than Raids: WvW, PvP and open world PvE, in all of which there is nobody to kick you for not being a healer.

Also, you’ve played Ranger for this long while we’ve always had kick-threats, what’s changed? We actually have an option now to be useful in a different way. And that’s all it is – an option. If you don’t want to be a healer then roll a zerker frost spotter Ranger.

You’re whining about how you feel about it. Constantly.

If you want it to change how about offering constructive feedback and suggestions as to what you want to see, instead of boo-hooing like a child who hasn’t got what he wanted.

Bryzy.2719:

Solid Gold.9310:

Bryzy.2719:

^ THEN DON’T TAKE THE DRUID TRAITLINE AND DON’T BE A BLOODY HEALER.

Jesus Christ what is so difficult to grasp?

Your argument amounts to “Druid didn’t take the direction I wanted it to boohoo”.

The rest of us are happy with it, you’ll just have to wait for the next Espec or – a wild idea – continue playing Ranger as you have been doing these last 3 years.

Like I said, Rangers are likely to be pressured into going healer.

And there’s really no need to be so aggressive, just saying how “I” feel about it.

And like I said, if you don’t want to play healer, don’t play it.

The only potential “pressure” from others would come from the Raid content: you’re forgetting the game modes that are far more significant than Raids: WvW, PvP and open world PvE, in all of which there is nobody to kick you for not being a healer.

Also, you’ve played Ranger for this long while we’ve always had kick-threats, what’s changed? We actually have an option now to be useful in a different way. And that’s all it is – an option. If you don’t want to be a healer then roll a zerker frost spotter Ranger.

You’re whining about how you feel about it. Constantly.

If you want it to change how about offering constructive feedback and suggestions as to what you want to see, instead of boo-hooing like a child who hasn’t got what he wanted.

Still aggressive I see.

Bryzy.2719:

Solid Gold.9310:

Bryzy.2719:

^ THEN DON’T TAKE THE DRUID TRAITLINE AND DON’T BE A BLOODY HEALER.

Jesus Christ what is so difficult to grasp?

Your argument amounts to “Druid didn’t take the direction I wanted it to boohoo”.

The rest of us are happy with it, you’ll just have to wait for the next Espec or – a wild idea – continue playing Ranger as you have been doing these last 3 years.

Like I said, Rangers are likely to be pressured into going healer.

And there’s really no need to be so aggressive, just saying how “I” feel about it.

And like I said, if you don’t want to play healer, don’t play it.

The only potential “pressure” from others would come from the Raid content: you’re forgetting the game modes that are far more significant than Raids: WvW, PvP and open world PvE, in all of which there is nobody to kick you for not being a healer.

Also, you’ve played Ranger for this long while we’ve always had kick-threats, what’s changed? We actually have an option now to be useful in a different way. And that’s all it is – an option. If you don’t want to be a healer then roll a zerker frost spotter Ranger.

You’re whining about how you feel about it. Constantly.

If you want it to change how about offering constructive feedback and suggestions as to what you want to see, instead of boo-hooing like a child who hasn’t got what he wanted.

But rangers are not wanted in pve and pvp. Some GvG guilds have rangers, the normal WvW raids prefer other classes. No pressure for sure. Do you even play a ranger?

My main was a guardian healer with nomad gear for a few months. When playing content with new players this was fun and useful, because I could compensate for their lack of dodge skill and lack of knowledge of how to heal back up. However, in parties with people that know the game better, all I did was giving buffs (stability) and watching them get resurrected within 2 seconds after dying (by burst or single hit).

During this time I noticed that dedicated healing was the most useless thing to focus on in guild wars. Parties require stability, which Druid does not have. Or enough DPS to rally someone, which Druid should lack. Or fast reviving, which can be done with runes of mercy.

My conclusion was that Berserkers are the best healers, because they can simply rally someone without losing any DPS. When there are no adds to rally, then sacrificing 10% damage for runes of mercy is the second best option. Any direct healing is only to compensate lack of skill.

Tapioca.9062:

Bryzy.2719:

Tapioca.9062:

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I have no doubts that you’re willing to assert it. However you’ve also made it clear that you’re willing to 1. assert many things that aren’t correct. 2. If the majority of players in the community were happy with this we wouldn’t be seeing the kind dissatisfaction and friction that we are. You are not in a position to speak for the entire community, no matter how condescending you choose to be.

3. In addition to this, it is a farce to argue that Druid is a better thematic fit than Chronomancer which is a direct thematic follow-on to existing Mesmer themes. The same can be said of Berserker and Scrapper. They are much better fits than Druid will ever be. Both in function and theme.

4. To continue on with things you willingly and incorrectly assert as true, Druid is not a new profession. It is a new trait line. No matter how much it feels like an entirely new profession given its complete disconnect in theme and function from its profession. So no, you don’t stop being a Ranger when you trait into the Druid line. In Guild Wars 2 all Druids are Rangers even if all Rangers aren’t Druids. So you can’t just handwave away the inconvenient truth that nobody made a Ranger to play like this.

5. You can also claim that you don’t have to play the Druid as a healer, but when every single one of your minor traits is related to healing in some way if you’re not healing in some capacity you’re wasting traits. Which is the principle problem, given that this has nothing at all to do with Rangers or existing Ranger mechanics. None of the skills interact with the pet in any meaningful way and none of the pet mechanics are changed. It’s ridiculous. We don’t see Mesmers cobbling together robo-minions, or Elementalists leaping around like Spiderman on performance enhancing substances, or Necromancers channeling holy energy in new and interesting ways. Because those wouldn’t fit with their existing profession themes in the same way that turning into spacey healy man has absolutely nothing to do with Rangers.

1. How is it not correct? You’re arguing against my assertion with your own.

2. I speak on behalf of the majority voice of the Ranger forum community. As such, the majority voice as you will see from all Druid threads on here is in favour of the Druid. Therefore a statement that asserts most are in favour of the Druid is more reasonable than one that suggests they are not, with less evidence – i.e. less people are showing dissatisfaction at Druid than those showing appreciation – which is evident from ratio of posts on here.

3. Ironic, because you argued against a “farce” with your own farce. That matter is entirely subjective, and you just argued entirely from subjectivity. Also interesting to note that most of your response is directed towards the lesser, non-issues here.

4. Again, a non-issue you’re putting too much emphasis on to try and make your argument look more substantial

5. I don’t “claim” that we don’t have to play Druid as a healer, I state it as a matter of fact. I will repeat: specialising into being better at healing does not make you a healer. If you don’t like the fact that the Druid traitline has less interaction with the pet, how about discussing that in some constructive feedback rather than just whining like a child as you have been doing throughout the rest of the forum.

Solid Gold.9310:

Bryzy.2719:

Solid Gold.9310:

Bryzy.2719:

^ THEN DON’T TAKE THE DRUID TRAITLINE AND DON’T BE A BLOODY HEALER.

Jesus Christ what is so difficult to grasp?

Your argument amounts to “Druid didn’t take the direction I wanted it to boohoo”.

The rest of us are happy with it, you’ll just have to wait for the next Espec or – a wild idea – continue playing Ranger as you have been doing these last 3 years.

Like I said, Rangers are likely to be pressured into going healer.

And there’s really no need to be so aggressive, just saying how “I” feel about it.

And like I said, if you don’t want to play healer, don’t play it.

The only potential “pressure” from others would come from the Raid content: you’re forgetting the game modes that are far more significant than Raids: WvW, PvP and open world PvE, in all of which there is nobody to kick you for not being a healer.

Also, you’ve played Ranger for this long while we’ve always had kick-threats, what’s changed? We actually have an option now to be useful in a different way. And that’s all it is – an option. If you don’t want to be a healer then roll a zerker frost spotter Ranger.

You’re whining about how you feel about it. Constantly.

If you want it to change how about offering constructive feedback and suggestions as to what you want to see, instead of boo-hooing like a child who hasn’t got what he wanted.

Still aggressive I see.

By “aggressive” you mean I’m putting forward decent arguments that you can’t counter, so you instead to to discredit my credibility by calling me “aggressive” and offering no rebuke of your own.

Bryzy.2719:

And like I said, if you don’t want to play healer, don’t play it.

The only potential “pressure” from others would come from the Raid content: you’re forgetting the game modes that are far more significant than Raids: WvW, PvP and open world PvE, in all of which there is nobody to kick you for not being a healer.

Also, you’ve played Ranger for this long while we’ve always had kick-threats, what’s changed? We actually have an option now to be useful in a different way. And that’s all it is – an option. If you don’t want to be a healer then roll a zerker frost spotter Ranger.

You’re whining about how you feel about it. Constantly.

If you want it to change how about offering constructive feedback and suggestions as to what you want to see, instead of boo-hooing like a child who hasn’t got what he wanted.

Ok here is the problem you have: you want the holy/forced trinity to be applied in this game, almost from the beginning.
That’s a foul quest IMHO.

No player in GW2 wants that, get it thru your thick scull. Otherwise we would be playing another MMO. Holy Trinity = Extremely dumb and boring gameplay

Ranger is a class where every single skill has a purpose, you don’t find in GS 5 skills to DPS DPS DPS like you find in warrior or guardian or ele.
We are used to have to use our skills depending in the situation and some aspects of the druid are just warrior DPS 1 to 5 but even worst: They heal so you won’t get any credit/rewards for doing so.

Ranger playerbase wants a support class like the Druid is intended to be, just no exclusively focused in burst healing. Because this means this:

• Raids have artificially increased the difficulty to making you taking unavoidable damage, same as 1 hit bosses. We all already know we want smarter bosses and increase their HP to millions and making them 1 hit kill you is not the solution.
  Example of this: the wyvern in HOT is simply bad. Another fixed hitbox where all you have to do is avoid the cheese portions like fire patches.

• If you need burst healing to mitigate unavoidable damage Raids are going to be annoyingly simple.

• Bosses are going to be just as dumb and the ones we find in GW2 already.

• Ranger will not have a place other than raids.

The druid class is a symptom of something much worst that could be arriving.
And again:
Mainly healing is good, only healing is bad

Bryzy.2719:

Solid Gold.9310:

Bryzy.2719:

Solid Gold.9310:

Bryzy.2719:

^ THEN DON’T TAKE THE DRUID TRAITLINE AND DON’T BE A BLOODY HEALER.

Jesus Christ what is so difficult to grasp?

Your argument amounts to “Druid didn’t take the direction I wanted it to boohoo”.

The rest of us are happy with it, you’ll just have to wait for the next Espec or – a wild idea – continue playing Ranger as you have been doing these last 3 years.

Like I said, Rangers are likely to be pressured into going healer.

And there’s really no need to be so aggressive, just saying how “I” feel about it.

And like I said, if you don’t want to play healer, don’t play it.

The only potential “pressure” from others would come from the Raid content: you’re forgetting the game modes that are far more significant than Raids: WvW, PvP and open world PvE, in all of which there is nobody to kick you for not being a healer.

Also, you’ve played Ranger for this long while we’ve always had kick-threats, what’s changed? We actually have an option now to be useful in a different way. And that’s all it is – an option. If you don’t want to be a healer then roll a zerker frost spotter Ranger.

You’re whining about how you feel about it. Constantly.

If you want it to change how about offering constructive feedback and suggestions as to what you want to see, instead of boo-hooing like a child who hasn’t got what he wanted.

Still aggressive I see.

By “aggressive” you mean I’m putting forward decent arguments that you can’t counter, so you instead to to discredit my credibility by calling me “aggressive” and offering no rebuke of your own.

Actually he did rebuke you. What he didn’t do was rebut your argument. Rebuke and rebut have very different meanings.

As your position, much like that of those with whom you argue, is a matter of opinion, rebuttal is largely pointless. Ultimately, slinging pejoratives and whining about whining is hardly less childish than just complaining about direction in a video game.

Bryzy.2719:

Tapioca.9062:

Bryzy.2719:

Tapioca.9062:

Bryzy.2719:

Tapioca.9062:

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I have no doubts that you’re willing to assert it. However you’ve also made it clear that you’re willing to 1. assert many things that aren’t correct. 2. If the majority of players in the community were happy with this we wouldn’t be seeing the kind dissatisfaction and friction that we are. You are not in a position to speak for the entire community, no matter how condescending you choose to be.

3. In addition to this, it is a farce to argue that Druid is a better thematic fit than Chronomancer which is a direct thematic follow-on to existing Mesmer themes. The same can be said of Berserker and Scrapper. They are much better fits than Druid will ever be. Both in function and theme.

4. To continue on with things you willingly and incorrectly assert as true, Druid is not a new profession. It is a new trait line. No matter how much it feels like an entirely new profession given its complete disconnect in theme and function from its profession. So no, you don’t stop being a Ranger when you trait into the Druid line. In Guild Wars 2 all Druids are Rangers even if all Rangers aren’t Druids. So you can’t just handwave away the inconvenient truth that nobody made a Ranger to play like this.

5. You can also claim that you don’t have to play the Druid as a healer, but when every single one of your minor traits is related to healing in some way if you’re not healing in some capacity you’re wasting traits. Which is the principle problem, given that this has nothing at all to do with Rangers or existing Ranger mechanics. None of the skills interact with the pet in any meaningful way and none of the pet mechanics are changed. It’s ridiculous. We don’t see Mesmers cobbling together robo-minions, or Elementalists leaping around like Spiderman on performance enhancing substances, or Necromancers channeling holy energy in new and interesting ways. Because those wouldn’t fit with their existing profession themes in the same way that turning into spacey healy man has absolutely nothing to do with Rangers.

1. How is it not correct? You’re arguing against my assertion with your own.

2. I speak on behalf of the majority voice of the Ranger forum community. As such, the majority voice as you will see from all Druid threads on here is in favour of the Druid. Therefore a statement that asserts most are in favour of the Druid is more reasonable than one that suggests they are not, with less evidence – i.e. less people are showing dissatisfaction at Druid than those showing appreciation – which is evident from ratio of posts on here.

3. Ironic, because you argued against a “farce” with your own farce. That matter is entirely subjective, and you just argued entirely from subjectivity. Also interesting to note that most of your response is directed towards the lesser, non-issues here.

4. Again, a non-issue you’re putting too much emphasis on to try and make your argument look more substantial

5. I don’t “claim” that we don’t have to play Druid as a healer, I state it as a matter of fact. I will repeat: specialising into being better at healing does not make you a healer. If you don’t like the fact that the Druid traitline has less interaction with the pet, how about discussing that in some constructive feedback rather than just whining like a child as you have been doing throughout the rest of the forum.

You speak on behalf of the Ranger forum community? I don’t remember voting for you. When were the elections held? You do actually have a mandate to speak for people and aren’t just puffing yourself up from unwarranted self-importance, right?

As to the ratio between posts for and against Druid, I’d love to see your metrics and statistical analysis. Because you’re surely not just arguing from a position of feelings and confirmation bias, are you? Please, dear Bryzy, share your data and research findings. It’s interesting that I didn’t actually assert that a majority was against Druid, I asserted that you had no standing to speak for the majority and that the discord seen suggests there is no pro-majority to be found. But still, you did claim that I somehow have less evidence than you, so I would love to see yours. It must have taken you a long time to poll a statistically significant proportion of the Ranger forum community in the past few days, but I have every faith that you’ve achieved sterling results. That is how you became the very voice of our people afterall, apparently.

You do remark that it’s a non-issue pointing out that Druid isn’t actually a new profession distinct from Ranger entirely. Which is an interesting position to take considering it was you would brought up the concept of Druid as something that completely over-rode Ranger as a profession. “You stop being a Ranger”, those were your words, right? It doesn’t seem like a non-issue to point out that has no factual grounding. Or is it solely a non-issue in your eyes because you were wrong?

As for the subject of feedback on playable mechanics, there will be time for that after actual play testing. One wouldn’t want to offer feedback on mechanics before actually conducting actual empirical testing and analysis would they? That would be silly. Instead I’m offering feedback on how I feel about Druid given its slated theme and role in comparison to baseline profession. It isn’t unreasonable to offer an opinion on what you think about the spec so far. Even if it does result in you getting angry at people saying things you don’t like, Dear Leader.

Treetoptrickster.4205:

Ashen.2907:

Treetoptrickster.4205:

I just wanted to know why people don’t enjoy playing the healer archetype. Then this happened. Interesting though.

You are asking in the Ranger forum specifically. This means that, in theory at least, you are not asking people in general but rather people who play Ranger with enough devotion that they spend time in this particular subsection of a subsection of the forum as a whole.

If they had been playing their ranger since prior to the druid reveal it seems, to me at least, highly unlikely that they created their ranger with the intention of playing it as a dedicated healer.

I do not dislike playing a healer. I have done so in other games (admittedly more in Pen and Paper than computer RPG). I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that some significant number of those dissatisfied with the druid spec also do not dislike paying healers. They may very well, however, dislike playing a healer on a class that they chose based on a description that made it very clear that the class was not designed to be a healer.

I think a better thread topic/question might have been:

“Why, after waiting for more than three years for a significant update to the profession, do you not want the first elite spec, for a profession that was chosen based on a concept that did not include being a healer, to so heavily emphasize heals?”

Point of clarification:

I am glad that some, perhaps even many, people are looking forward to what the druid has to offer. I am merely attempting to explain why I think others might not be.

Good point, it could be true that people don’t want to play it because they didn’t choose the Ranger to be a healer. That’s more about why people are opposed to it being so rather than about the actual lack of enjoyment for playing a healer though.

You did get me thinking about how people aren’t fully understanding the purpose of elite specs though. In the simplest way I can explain it, I can’t understand those who are outraged because the elite spec isn’t what they wanted it to be. I mean sure, it sucks that the new and shiny pair of shoes you just got don’t fit your style, but people shouldn’t be asking for another pair and discarding the one they could really use those shoes.

The Ranger wasn’t designed to be a healer, but elite specs were designed to open up playstyle a previously unavailable to a profession. If the Druid were to just do more of what the class already does it would be pointless and would be compared to other trait lines in the class (see daredevil). People wouldn’t even be pleased with a pure DPS spec if it overshadowed what Marksmanship was supposed to do. Elite specs are supposed to expand the capability and themes of professions. As long as any given elite spec works well, is viable and good what it does, will have a place, and is at least somewhat tied to the theme of the base class (in this case nature) it should be accepted. Even if it isn’t the current meta or if it isn’t what you wanted. It just adds to what the profession can do and opens up more reasons to pick a Ranger.

You might not have wanted to be a healer as a Ranger, but now it’s possible, and that is only a good thing. People will just have to wait for an elite spec that fills a role they like. Anet wanted every profession to be able to fill every role to some degree, and these elite specs are their way of doing that as well as opening up new roles. The shoe may not fit you, but if it fits the class… let it wear it.

Anet seems to disagree with you about the purpose of elite specs. Most of them keep theme and playstyle with the base class. They add a touch of spice for a bit of variety but the dish remains largely the same.

Tapioca.9062:

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Don’t bother, that dude is just happy because GW2 could become potentially a classic MMO with the holy trinity forced onto us.

Personally i find boring and unappealing a dumbed down system where you only are able to do just one thing, but hey every person is entitled to have their own likes.

Tip your fedoras harder, won’t change anything.

Enjoy Druid.

Bryzy.2719:

Tip your fedoras harder, won’t change anything.

Enjoy Druid.

We all hope so. Hopefully Irenio would have read the forums and will change the druid to give more support alternatives than just healing, and some damage drop in the mix for rewards.

Although would be good if he just could post anything about the druid like: sorry guys we are going for the only healer and holy trinity thing or hey we have listen and giving an spin to the druid concept.

anduriell.6280:

Personally i find boring and unappealing a dumbed down system where you only are able to do just one thing, but hey every person is entitled to have their own likes.

Yet you play GW2 PvE, which probably has the most dumbed down PvE in an MMO, and where there is zero variety, everyone does the same thing, DPS with a handful of skills like reflects, stealths, etc on the side.

Assuming they design raids right druid actually adds some variety to this tedious one dimensional DPS fest, and guess what on druid you still have two other trait lines, another weapon, choice of pets, choice of utils/elite, choice of gear, plus some damage, CC & utility in Druid so can do some damage, bring other support like spotter, etc if you want, in addition to the healing.

But then the truth is most of those whining, don’t give a toss about the BS “justifications” they give, really the truth is they want to play DPS, so wanted the specialisation to help that either by giving ranger top tier DPS or by having some sort of support that doesn’t interfere with a DPS role, but makes ranger more desirable.

But very few have the balls to simply come out with it.

zinkz.7045:

anduriell.6280:

Personally i find boring and unappealing a dumbed down system where you only are able to do just one thing, but hey every person is entitled to have their own likes.

Yet you play GW2 PvE, which probably has the most dumbed down PvE in an MMO, and where there is zero variety, everyone does the same thing, DPS with a handful of skills like reflects, stealths, etc.

Assuming they design raids right druid actually adds some variety to this tedious one dimensional DPS fest, and guess what on druid you still have two other trait lines, another weapon, choice of pets, choice of utils/elite, choice of gear, plus some damage, CC & utility in Druid so can do some damage if you want, in addition to the healing.

But then the truth is most of those whining, don’t give a toss about the BS “justifications” they give, really the truth is they want to play DPS, so wanted the specialisation to help that either by giving ranger top tier DPS or by having some sort of support that doesn’t interfere with a DPS role, but makes ranger more desirable.

But very few have the balls to simply come out with it.

And WvW when there is player around. I agree with you PvE is already repetitive and boring, just think about it with a boring mechanic like is holy trinity. Exacerbating the tediousness to the extreme.

But you are wrong about most of the players wants more DPS. We want the pets fixed so we get the DPS lost with them back, yes.
But most of the players wants the druid to have more support than 10 heals. TRanger do not have any utility we hope the druid to give that sort of new gameplay.
To make it easier this is my intake on the druid:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Druid-Reveal-Feedback-Thread/page/2#post5537037

Can I have some fries with that salt? Seriously though, this whole “I didn’t make a ranger to be a healer” spiel is getting old real fast. Nobody is forcing you to take the Druid line. Druid gives the ranger something it lacked: group support. You can still keep playing as you have before and (probably) are doing now. If you don’t like the concept of the Druid, just wait until the next round of elite specs. Now that the Druid is confirmed to be the Ranger’s healer type elite spec, you can rest asured that the next one won’t be.

Bottom line is that Druid is here to stay as our first elite spec and no amount of whining, moaning, or crying is going to see that changed; not now, not at HoT release, and not after.

This is really unhealthy what do you guys think its going to do if you constantly repeat yourselves on the forums? Everyone is aware of the many opinions now, this is just putting more doomsday negativity on the forums, and no offense but doomsday types tend to be irrational and the most vocal.

Kreed.2768:

Can I have some fries with that salt? Seriously though, this whole “I didn’t make a ranger to be a healer” spiel is getting old real fast. Nobody is forcing you to take the Druid line. Druid gives the ranger something it lacked: group support. You can still keep playing as you have before and (probably) are doing now. If you don’t like the concept of the Druid, just wait until the next round of elite specs. Now that the Druid is confirmed to be the Ranger’s healer type elite spec, you can rest asured that the next one won’t be.

Bottom line is that Druid is here to stay as our first elite spec and no amount of whining, moaning, or crying is going to see that changed; not now, not at HoT release, and not after.

Is whining about whining really any better?

Ryou.2398:

This is really unhealthy what do you guys think its going to do if you constantly repeat yourselves on the forums? Everyone is aware of the many opinions now, this is just putting more doomsday negativity on the forums, and no offense but doomsday types tend to be irrational and the most vocal.

I agree. This always happens when there is 0 communication from the company for so long.
Now Irenio needs to be sensible and should try to keep the channel open as any comments about the direction the class is taking and if the feedback is being taken into account is needed to avoid the forums to revert to it’s previous state.

Ashen.2907:

Is whining about whining really any better?

I’m just saying the excessive complaining isn’t going to change anything. We haven’t even had our hands on this elite spec yet and it’s already being condemned or outright rejected. If the Druid’s concept isn’t your thing, then fair enough, but you are not forced to use it, so I don’t see the point of repeatedly complaining about the fact that it might not fit your choice of playstyle. Those who complain about it being useless, weak, and whatnot should wait before making such statements, at least until after the Beta weekend, when they and everyone else have had the chance to test out the spec and gather information on it that can be used to back up those complaints. Or, better yet, use that data to give constructive feedback for the devs to use, so that they can adjust it and make it even better. Just look how much the other elite specs and even the Revenant as a whole has gained and are gaining from the propper feedback players have provided after last two Beta weekends.

Sad part is one only get one beta weekend for feedback.

And because the Druid was designed specifically for raids I’m interested to see if it’s actually going to be useful there, but we won’t know that until the first full raid wing is released… not just 25% of one wing.

Kreed.2768:

Ashen.2907:

Is whining about whining really any better?

I’m just saying the excessive complaining isn’t going to change anything. We haven’t even had our hands on this elite spec yet and it’s already being condemned or outright rejected. If the Druid’s concept isn’t your thing, then fair enough, but you are not forced to use it, so I don’t see the point of repeatedly complaining about the fact that it might not fit your choice of playstyle. Those who complain about it being useless, weak, and whatnot should wait before making such statements, at least until after the Beta weekend, when they and everyone else have had the chance to test out the spec and gather information on it that can be used to back up those complaints. Or, better yet, use that data to give constructive feedback for the devs to use, so that they can adjust it and make it even better. Just look how much the other elite specs and even the Revenant as a whole has gained and are gaining from the propper feedback players have provided after last two Beta weekends.

Honestly if you had said this, without the negative commentary on other players, in the previous post I would probably have just said, “^^^this.”

Kreed.2768:

Ashen.2907:

Is whining about whining really any better?

I’m just saying the excessive complaining isn’t going to change anything. We haven’t even had our hands on this elite spec yet and it’s already being condemned or outright rejected. If the Druid’s concept isn’t your thing, then fair enough, but you are not forced to use it, so I don’t see the point of repeatedly complaining about the fact that it might not fit your choice of playstyle. Those who complain about it being useless, weak, and whatnot should wait before making such statements, at least until after the Beta weekend, when they and everyone else have had the chance to test out the spec and gather information on it that can be used to back up those complaints. Or, better yet, use that data to give constructive feedback for the devs to use, so that they can adjust it and make it even better. Just look how much the other elite specs and even the Revenant as a whole has gained and are gaining from the propper feedback players have provided after last two Beta weekends.

We have too much experienced in being disappointed with the changes in ranger.
For what is shown in the twichtcon the Druid has all the votes to become another one and the lack of communication from Irenio does it not make us feel better.

The same as i foresaw the changes in the balance patch will make the ranger the pariah of GW2 and i was right then i foresee if the Druid stays with the exclusive healing path it will become the pariah child of the ranger pariah.
We will have the full set then.

anduriell.6280:

For what is shown in the twichtcon the Druid has all the votes to become another one and the lack of communication from Irenio does it not make us feel better.

So, I have come to wonder why Irenio has been silent/absent from the Ranger forums for so long. Did he get put lead of Ramger recently? Like, at the start of the Druid or was it just a few days ago? Sure, I understand keeping mum about the Druid but why no Irenio communication about the Ranger?

Bryzy.2719:

Solid Gold.9310:

Bryzy.2719:

Solid Gold.9310:

Bryzy.2719:

^ THEN DON’T TAKE THE DRUID TRAITLINE AND DON’T BE A BLOODY HEALER.

Jesus Christ what is so difficult to grasp?

Your argument amounts to “Druid didn’t take the direction I wanted it to boohoo”.

The rest of us are happy with it, you’ll just have to wait for the next Espec or – a wild idea – continue playing Ranger as you have been doing these last 3 years.

Like I said, Rangers are likely to be pressured into going healer.

And there’s really no need to be so aggressive, just saying how “I” feel about it.

And like I said, if you don’t want to play healer, don’t play it.

The only potential “pressure” from others would come from the Raid content: you’re forgetting the game modes that are far more significant than Raids: WvW, PvP and open world PvE, in all of which there is nobody to kick you for not being a healer.

Also, you’ve played Ranger for this long while we’ve always had kick-threats, what’s changed? We actually have an option now to be useful in a different way. And that’s all it is – an option. If you don’t want to be a healer then roll a zerker frost spotter Ranger.

You’re whining about how you feel about it. Constantly.

If you want it to change how about offering constructive feedback and suggestions as to what you want to see, instead of boo-hooing like a child who hasn’t got what he wanted.

Still aggressive I see.

By “aggressive” you mean I’m putting forward decent arguments that you can’t counter, so you instead to to discredit my credibility by calling me “aggressive” and offering no rebuke of your own.

I don’t need to rebuke you, your the one attacking me with things like “boo-hooing” and “whining”.

I have my opinions and you have yours, I don’t expect to be lambasted just because I dare to state my opinions.

You also said quote
“2. I speak on behalf of the majority voice of the Ranger forum community. As such, the majority voice as you will see from all Druid threads on here is in favour of the Druid.” Unquote.

When did you get to speak for the majority of the Ranger forum community ?
Where are you getting this majority in favour of druid information from.

When did Bryzy get to speak for the majority? Since confirmation bias became a thing.

anduriell.6280:

Kreed.2768:

Ashen.2907:

Is whining about whining really any better?

I’m just saying the excessive complaining isn’t going to change anything. We haven’t even had our hands on this elite spec yet and it’s already being condemned or outright rejected. If the Druid’s concept isn’t your thing, then fair enough, but you are not forced to use it, so I don’t see the point of repeatedly complaining about the fact that it might not fit your choice of playstyle. Those who complain about it being useless, weak, and whatnot should wait before making such statements, at least until after the Beta weekend, when they and everyone else have had the chance to test out the spec and gather information on it that can be used to back up those complaints. Or, better yet, use that data to give constructive feedback for the devs to use, so that they can adjust it and make it even better. Just look how much the other elite specs and even the Revenant as a whole has gained and are gaining from the propper feedback players have provided after last two Beta weekends.

We have too much experienced in being disappointed with the changes in ranger.
For what is shown in the twichtcon the Druid has all the votes to become another one and the lack of communication from Irenio does it not make us feel better.

The same as i foresaw the changes in the balance patch will make the ranger the pariah of GW2 and i was right then i foresee if the Druid stays with the exclusive healing path it will become the pariah child of the ranger pariah.
We will have the full set then.

Ok I get that but if that is the case then why continue focusing on a class that is constantly disappointing? If you are not happy with it then maybe you should consider switching to something else and letting it go until it is where you want it to be, we are responsible for our own feelings after all.