Guild Wars 2

" Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are "

We rangers do not feel we belong in guild wars 2. No one can feel the deep pain, loneliness and sufferings we have felt since the first day of our birth.

We’ve all seen the LFG tool notes “no rangers” “rangers=kick” and the irony, the curse, the marks… rangers have to bear, wherever they go..

Lately, i was asked by couple new ranger players of the same subject, why are ranger class treated like an outcast? is it because they are rangers?

Immediately, i was stricken with sadness and remorse; for I a ranger, know the pain of being the outcast class.

Why outcast?

From past to present, everything we stood for and depended on, were intentionally taken from us; our range, our mobility, our strength, our cause, our freedom to adapt to any situations without being forced to, without being limited to.

Those who sworn to protect and preserve our survival, are the ones who are responsible for our maltreatment, inequality, oppression and our Injustice.

To make an example of our complete rejection and isolation, they drained our pet, our spirit life support so much that we can no longer depend on them for our own survival… They Silence our cries, our Hearts to make us a much less a capable meaningful class. they Retaliate with severe Punishments ( untended and Intentional nerfs) Their hope is to make us more vulnerable, “easy kill” to their Superior Elitist classes.

It does not end there, any minimal chance of hope for us, always return with grudge, animosity, and malice treatment.

Where Injustice hurt the most, is when all are done in the pleasure for the Superior Elite classes.

Where Injustice also hurt the most is how the Elite classes are given license to commit injustice and oppression to abuse and torture our defenseless class, whenever they please at any given time, over and over again.

All in the name of Balance.

Arena.net, this is all we ask from you;

to end your campaign of injustice and oppression against us.

to remove this merciless system against us.

Once and for all…

Give us The Justice, The Liberty we deserve.

Let us feel belong to

Let us be Rangers

I never understand this. My favorite is my Ranger, and no one seems bothered by it.

But, according to the forums, they aren’t well-liked. You know, I was a Mesmer in the early years of GW, as well, and no one liked them, either. Near the end, they were very popular. Made me laugh. =)

I too love the Ranger class and I have mained it. A few days ago I saw a dungeon group LFG that said something like “no under lvl80, no noobs, no rangers”. I immediately thought, are we, as a class, considered just noobs and deserve no place in dungeons?

They weren’t pleased at first that I had joined, but gave me a chance and at the end of that dungeon, they agreed that Rangers aren’t just waste of space, if running the Frost Spirit+Spotter DPS build.

I am still waiting on the big Ranger Redesign that has been said, we woud see to happen.

Its a kind of promise, that has been made in a blog post by net if I remember right, several months after thevrelease of the game, I think it was short before the first 6 months were over …. but until now, nothing has been made …

No revolutional resign of the core mechanics, to improve the overall gameplay.

No rework of the Pet System. Just added until today only 1 single new Pet, no Pet Menagerie like in GW1…

No rework of some terrible combat mechanics, like the auto Attack of the Sword.
Ranger was in GW1 my Main Class and normally it would be it here in GW2 too for sure, if the Class wouldn’t be so bad designed in regard of its gameplay mechanics that are lacking in controlability of the pets mainly.

The issue is split between the devs and the community pretty evenly.

Very few PuG rangers run the 70% FS build, instead we see them with passive signets. Since signet of the hunt increases movement speed it does not contribute to damage at all. It’s also almost a sure sign that said ranger is not using a 1h sword. The one exception being a 1h <> GS signet build that utilizes the GS burst skills.

Furthermore it’s fairly rare to see a PuG ranger enter melee range at all.

On the dev side we’re not really getting any encouragement. Instead, those of us who have spent more than a year with the class are being told we have the wrong mindset. That despite the fact that many bosses in PvE stand still and alone, the 1h sword’s auto-pilot has a function.

We’re told the new heal skills are supposed to give us more build options, yet we get another spirit. Also inb4 new spirit becomes OP in the PvP corner of the game and we suffer a spirit wide nerf that ruins our Frost Spirit build and justifies replacing us with a warrior in any dungeon.

Main problem is we’re so good in PvP, but PvE plays a lot differently. I mean just look at Entangle.

Orpheal.8263:

I am still waiting on the big Ranger Redesign that has been said, we woud see to happen.

Wait, when and where was this said?

People don’t take Rangers you say?

DanteZero.9736:

Orpheal.8263:

I am still waiting on the big Ranger Redesign that has been said, we woud see to happen.

Wait, when and where was this said?

Sometime around the Lost Shores patch.

Main two problems with Rangers I’ve seen so far are:

1. Most ranger players left are quite bad. There are a few good ones, but too few. Some seem to have the idea that the class is just based on staying at 1200 range and spidering/longbowing from there without ever doing any weapon changes. Many others play a ranger like a weakened warrior for not bothering to ever find out what the pet mechanic is for. This gives a falsely bad impression of rangers as a class to people, leading to the meta where rangers are kicked from dungeons. Non-permastealth thieves suffer from the exact same problem – which makes the meta think that only permastealth is viable.

I’ve had a dungeon once where we had me in my elementalist form and 4 rangers. 3 of them were good, the 4th was kind of a liability. But the dungeon didn’t take any longer to complete than with warrior-stacked parties, and it was CoE.

2. Pet AI is bad. Really.

The main problem with class discussions is that per discussion, half the population seems to play the class, and half the population plays against that class, but has no personal experience playing the class itself. That leads to bad balance fixes, because the opinions on both sides of the fence are misinformed.

To have an accurate opinion on rangers you need to both play a ranger and play against rangers in other classes.

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Flissy.4093:

People don’t take Rangers you say?

about a week ago i joined a TA pug trying to get the last needed blooms to finish my ranger’s armour set. i had connection problems, something about which i had warned the party about (the lag made me run into a wall a couple of times, activating all the nice explodey venom spores and killing me in the process. no team mates were hurt). after two consecutive lag spikes, the asura guardian of the party left the dungeon with a parting comment:

“why is it always the rangers….”

i felt like skritt. angry, frustrated, guilty even that i enjoyed the class. of course it only lasted for a second and thankfully my network problems got fixed soon after. the guardian was replaced immediately and we continued the run, then did another, all without issue.

for the record, i’m running HS, 3 signets and MW, with 1hS+Ax/LB and hawk/lynx as pets on land. i also frequently go into melee and walk away unscathed, often after reviving downed players. i’m far from the best ranger around, but i am also far from the worst

i’m not saying comments like the above do not fall on the ranger players to a large degree, but it would help loads if the game itself did not punish us for the profession we enjoy playing

Noone care how good you are at play with your char if you are ranger. We can discuss alot about how you must use your skills and etc, but with time more and more often I got kick from party in lfg just because I am ranger, even before I loaded in dangeon. Almost all bosses just can be pulled to the los and just zerged in melee and warriors can do this very fast, we have no such ability like Shadow cloak to help skip mobs, we have no portals we just have no role that is very important in party. I like this prof very much and I will play it as long as I could, but I understand that if Anet will not do somthing with our mechanic, Rangers will stay only like fan class in PVE for those who likes. And I do not belive that ANet even coulde do somthing to improve situation, rangers prof got to bad reputation and lesser improvments will not help. Sorry for my English.
PS. I do not talk about skill I just talk about prof reputation and mechanic.

I really can’t stand when people try and use the whole ‘people don’t bring rangers because most rangers are bad’. The class didn’t somehow attract every bad player in this game. It isn’t made up of more bad players than any other class. Hell, it’s not even the most faceroll class out there.

Rangers are seen as bad because they are bad. Not because their players are bad. Every class has the same number of bad players as the Ranger class has. The issue is the class doesn’t hide this fact as well as other classes do because the class as a whole is awful.

Atherakhia.4086:

I really can’t stand when people try and use the whole ‘people don’t bring rangers because most rangers are bad’. The class didn’t somehow attract every bad player in this game. It isn’t made up of more bad players than any other class. Hell, it’s not even the most faceroll class out there.

Rangers are seen as bad because they are bad. Not because their players are bad. Every class has the same number of bad players as the Ranger class has. The issue is the class doesn’t hide this fact as well as other classes do because the class as a whole is awful.

Preach!

DanteZero.9736:

Orpheal.8263:

I am still waiting on the big Ranger Redesign that has been said, we woud see to happen.

Wait, when and where was this said?

15 november 2012…and the problems were allready there…the video explain all…

Don’t you find funny that the problems eplained in this video are exactly the same as actually and still aren’t corrected? more than one year after? Look at the text saying how JonPeters said exactly the same things as actually….so who even gonna have faith in him anyway now?

In one year i didn’t do anything for our class, arguing it’s more complicated than any other class, still warriors get buffed as hell, even mesmer who was nearly not played at start got massive buffs/fix and is one of the most competitive class now…

Flissy.4093:

People don’t take Rangers you say?

love it
and so true ^^

i do every content with my ranger and the people that ask me to join their party allways happy to see me on my ranger..it´s like brazil said on one of his guides.
i only now 4 good ranger and and 3 of them i’m.

the rly problem is that the ranger is about the hardest class in pve or dungeons to play effective , a war can faceroll like a donkey, use axe autohit and gs 100b and is effective, got his high lifepool even on full zerker not like other classes and i dont care what the warri players will say, but the warri is the simplest class in pve

Maybe we need to start somthing like petion to Anet. With each day there is much harder to find party for any content (dangeon or high lvl Fractals) and do not get kicked beacuse of “Rangers sucks” and day from day we see more and more groups of 4 wars and even 5 wars. Today I saw 3 party in Arah LFG with “NO RANGER” at one time.

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

Atherakhia.4086:

I really can’t stand when people try and use the whole ‘people don’t bring rangers because most rangers are bad’. The class didn’t somehow attract every bad player in this game. It isn’t made up of more bad players than any other class. Hell, it’s not even the most faceroll class out there.

Rangers are seen as bad because they are bad. Not because their players are bad. Every class has the same number of bad players as the Ranger class has. The issue is the class doesn’t hide this fact as well as other classes do because the class as a whole is awful.

You must not play MMOs very often do you? The Ranger DOES attract bad players, why the hell do you think hunters in wow were called Huntards? Was it because hunters had bad DPS? No, not even close, it’s because every kitten and their grandma is attracted to the prof with a pet because they think “I only need to do half the work!” (Which is never true).

I have seen SO MANY bad rangers in PvE that it’s literally to the point where everytime me and my friends PuG I always kitten about how bad the rangers we PuG will be, so far only about 15% of them haven’t disappointed me, and only 5% I would consider to be good players.

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

You guys remember this?

JonPeters.5630:

Hi Anders, I’m totally not here so skip this post and read on…

We made the improvements we had time to test. There are still more ranger improvements but when our time is limited we have to focus on things we know we can fix. Signets and shouts are still on the docket, and I suspect some of each of these will get some love in the next time around. As you can see a lot changed in this build for every profession and we have to test these changes as well.

I do still believe ranger is the profession in most need of improvement after this patch and we will continue to make those improvements. If we could fix everything at one time we would, but the reality is there are a limited # of hours to make changes.

I see a lot of talk about ranger weapons, but I don’t think that is the real problem. I think sword and longbow are both good weapons, which is why the changes take longer. The problems are deeper, in pets ability to hit moving targets, trait lines with not enough viable choices and skills that are often too specialized to really compliment the weapon builds. These aren’t things we can change overnight. The change to Greatsword block was in fact a very difficult change, but we made it because we knew it was the right thing to do.

There are >500 skills in this game, 480 traits, and 2 designers working on this. Even then often we are bottle necked by other issues. I’m not going to say we are not working on these things, nor can I say there are things we could have changed but just ran out of time on, but this was a patch that contained ranger improvements and it will not be the last one that does so. Maybe you want more than honesty but that is what I currently have to offer.

Jon

The part that gets me is “I do still believe ranger is the profession in most need of improvement after this patch and we will continue to make those improvements.” And all we have seen after that patch are nerf’s. How is a nerf an improvement? If you ask me, these guys are working backwards…or maybe they are hitting the Jamaican brownies a little to hard if you know what I mean. I also think that 2 designer’s working on balance is not enough, they should have 2 designers per class. To hell with new content and fix put those designers to fix the kittening pets already, this is ridiculous. Give the ranger’s something that will make them wanted in groups for gods sake!

Akisame.9508:

You guys remember this?

JonPeters.5630:

Hi Anders, I’m totally not here so skip this post and read on…

We made the improvements we had time to test. There are still more ranger improvements but when our time is limited we have to focus on things we know we can fix. Signets and shouts are still on the docket, and I suspect some of each of these will get some love in the next time around. As you can see a lot changed in this build for every profession and we have to test these changes as well.

I do still believe ranger is the profession in most need of improvement after this patch and we will continue to make those improvements. If we could fix everything at one time we would, but the reality is there are a limited # of hours to make changes.

I see a lot of talk about ranger weapons, but I don’t think that is the real problem. I think sword and longbow are both good weapons, which is why the changes take longer. The problems are deeper, in pets ability to hit moving targets, trait lines with not enough viable choices and skills that are often too specialized to really compliment the weapon builds. These aren’t things we can change overnight. The change to Greatsword block was in fact a very difficult change, but we made it because we knew it was the right thing to do.

There are >500 skills in this game, 480 traits, and 2 designers working on this. Even then often we are bottle necked by other issues. I’m not going to say we are not working on these things, nor can I say there are things we could have changed but just ran out of time on, but this was a patch that contained ranger improvements and it will not be the last one that does so. Maybe you want more than honesty but that is what I currently have to offer.

Jon

The part that gets me is “I do still believe ranger is the profession in most need of improvement after this patch and we will continue to make those improvements.” And all we have seen after that patch are nerf’s. How is a nerf an improvement? If you ask me, these guys are working backwards…or maybe they are hitting the Jamaican brownies a little to hard if you know what I mean. I also think that 2 designer’s working on balance is not enough, they should have 2 designers per class. To hell with new content and fix put those designers to fix the kittening pets already, this is ridiculous. Give the ranger’s something that will make them wanted in groups for gods sake!

Sorry to pop your bubble of delusions, but we have totally been buffed since that patch, and most of those patches have been us primarily being buffed. Now why do they keep buffing warrior NOW? I have no idea, when necros got buffed with Dhuum fire is when warrior was out too high and needed some toning down (not a lot).

That being said I’m still waiting on these kittening signet and shout changes they’ve promised us….

Durzlla.6295:

Atherakhia.4086:

I really can’t stand when people try and use the whole ‘people don’t bring rangers because most rangers are bad’. The class didn’t somehow attract every bad player in this game. It isn’t made up of more bad players than any other class. Hell, it’s not even the most faceroll class out there.

Rangers are seen as bad because they are bad. Not because their players are bad. Every class has the same number of bad players as the Ranger class has. The issue is the class doesn’t hide this fact as well as other classes do because the class as a whole is awful.

You must not play MMOs very often do you? The Ranger DOES attract bad players, why the hell do you think hunters in wow were called Huntards? Was it because hunters had bad DPS? No, not even close, it’s because every kitten and their grandma is attracted to the prof with a pet because they think “I only need to do half the work!” (Which is never true).

I have seen SO MANY bad rangers in PvE that it’s literally to the point where everytime me and my friends PuG I always kitten about how bad the rangers we PuG will be, so far only about 15% of them haven’t disappointed me, and only 5% I would consider to be good players.

I’ve been playing MMO’s for 25 years. I was in the alpha and beta for Ultima Online in fact. WoW is the first MMO that has really forced a pet on you for this type of class regardless if you call it a Ranger, Scout, Nightshade, Archer, etc.

Hunters were called Huntards in WoW because it was easy to call them that. It’s also foolish to claim they attract bad players. They attract a lot of players (in WoW there were more Hunters than any other class for example. When I was playing they were something like 20% of the population for example). People chose the class for 2 reasons: Legolas and Drizzt. In my experience, it’s actually the melee classes (rogue/thief in particular) that are completely hopeless when it comes to player skill.

Now with that all out of the way… what makes these Rangers bad in PvE in your experience? Is it because they’re actually brain dead and stand in red circles? Or is it because they play with a bow instead of a 1h sword? Because in my experience, the only thing that I’ve seen from ‘bad rangers’ in this game is that they want to play with a bow instead of a sword. So yes, that makes them bad in PvE because their dps is 50% of what it should be, but they’ve always been great players.

Playing the class the way you want to play it doesn’t make you a bad player. Standing in red circles and being 1 shot by telegraphed abilities does. As an experienced player it’s very easy to spot the difference between a bad class and a bad player. There’s a reason no one wants anything to do with Rangers in WvW and it has nothing to do with the class being controlled by terrible players. It’s because the class is bad.

Durzlla.6295:

You must not play MMOs very often do you? The Ranger DOES attract bad players, why the hell do you think hunters in wow were called Huntards? Was it because hunters had bad DPS? No, not even close, it’s because every kitten and their grandma is attracted to the prof with a pet because they think “I only need to do half the work!” (Which is never true).

I have seen SO MANY bad rangers in PvE that it’s literally to the point where everytime me and my friends PuG I always kitten about how bad the rangers we PuG will be, so far only about 15% of them haven’t disappointed me, and only 5% I would consider to be good players.

I remember calling them huntards because they were faceroll; they had a super easy and forgiving dps rotation (at least they did in 2009, which is the last time I played). And I think you’re mistaken that the ranger alone attracts bad players. Rather, I think ranger tends to attract players who want to play an archer archetype who snipes at range with an animal ally in melee. There’s a disconnect, then, between how those players want to play, and what’s ultimately optimal. But this kind of disconnect is hardly limited to rangers. I can’t even tell you how many terribad guardians, warriors, thieves, eles, etc. I’ve seen. Who hasn’t joined a pug with that clueless guardian decked out in full clerics who wants to “tank” everything? Pug groups are rife with all sorts of crappy players – it has nothing to do with just being a ranger. The difference, I think, is that other classes and their poor choices still have better utility and function than a ranger’s bad build/playstyle.

Durzlla.6295:

Sorry to pop your bubble of delusions, but we have totally been buffed since that patch, and most of those patches have been us primarily being buffed. Now why do they keep buffing warrior NOW? I have no idea, when necros got buffed with Dhuum fire is when warrior was out too high and needed some toning down (not a lot).

That being said I’m still waiting on these kittening signet and shout changes they’ve promised us….

I guess I should have been more detailed with my reply but I was at work and took to much time finding the post. My main beef with them is that it’s been over a year that they knew about pets being screwed up and they still haven’t fixed it. Thus the reason I mentioned for them to fix the pets. I am sure that if they can get the pets to hit 90% a moving target 90% of the time instead of 5% of the time, this will help with our lack of DPS. But for over a year they have known as that post proves, that the pet has issues hitting moving targets and just recently they said they refuse to touch pets because it could screw up the AI on other mobs.

Also, in response to your post, the buffs we have received are small in comparison to the amount of nerf’s we have received. For instance, I have dropped the short bow from my LB/SB build because of the range nerf, not to mention the damage nerf which was supposedly an “animation fix”. The nerf’s has hurt us more then the buffs have helped. I now run LB/GS but to be honest, those two weapons don’t compliment each other very well. In order to make LB effective you need to run full glass cannon, but when going into melee, you need some toughness and when you switch weapons, you can’t switch armor. Our trait’s either let us go for damage in a LB build 30/30/10 or go GS with a 30/10/30 (I think it is..right? can’t log in at work to check) At least on my warrior I can run glass cannon on rifle, switch to GS and still take a beating without dieing.

Just going to drop a few notes here:

• Rangers are one of the hardest classes to play correctly, yet they are also the second most common class played. Imagine what the community would be like if Warrior was hard to play.

• Build viability is a Ranger’s biggest downfall in PvE. A lot of condition stuff overriding potential zerker skills, signets compensate for mistakes but do not buff skilled players, pet base stats are tied to healing power traits and our only melee options are either auto-pilot-suicide (sword) or low dps (GS).

• I once joined a party in fractals that had only rangers and got a bit flustered when nobody entered melee range. However, we managed to clear everything in record PuG speed somehow.

• Ranger is often perceived as a high movement class, yet spirits start out static. Bringing the trait that causes them to follow puts them at risk of death in PvE. Unlike warrior banners they can not be picked up, unlike warrior banners they are not invulnerable. In combat swiftness and burning aren’t going to make your party love you so Stone and Frost are the only real PvE options.

• Quickening Zephyr is a great skill, make sure it’s charged and ready for Rampage As One though.

Within GW2, all the ranger hate I have seen are from people who know how to suck as a ranger, or simply do not play it due to personal reasons. It’s really not fair to have a wide player base misjudging the ranger profession, because most of the times it’s the player behind the ranger that screws up, however rangers overall take the blame for their mistakes. I can’t tell you how many times I wished other people played their warrior/guardian/mesmer/necromancer/engineer/thief the way they should. The fact is that being a good ranger isn’t vanilla, so many pugs fail at performing the role the way they should. The moment you have this high curve for being good at something, many people will begin to struggle to meet the standard, the whole player base will eventually feel the pull of that profession’s weight and point the finger at it.

I daresay I point the finger at rangers who do it wrong, not at the profession as a whole. Every so often there is a post from someone who rage quits, blaming the ranger profession for lacking on what their, for example, warrior has. True, rangers definitely need more work done and there have been shortfalls, but by no means does it fail to meet the current standards. What it fails at is having a fluid enough combat mechanic that it compares to how the other professions feel. Many rangers complain about lack of condition removal (I know I do) but engineers suffer from this as well. I feel that rangers can be tweaked ever more to allow more synergy between builds but that all rests in the hands of ANet. For those of you who have mastered your rangers, spread your knowledge and make sure your ranger fellows do so, otherwise rangers will forever be stuck with failed rangers who do nothing but soil the profession as a whole.

“Your pet is too far from that target!”

Anyway, everything the ranger have a other class have better. Anet dont care about that class and dont care what say on the forum. After the day one, nothing put that class in something awesome in pvp/wvw except being the target because you are the weakness of the group.

Rangers need lotta love. True.
But to those saying they meet lots and lots of bad Rangers, I say: I also meet LOTS and LOTS of bad Warriors, Mesmers, Thieves, Engineers, Elementalists and Guardians.
Many times I was the only one left alive in a Dungeon and was able to save the day.
It happened lots of times that my poor pet was the only one still standing and fighting the boss.
If we are talking PvE, believe me when I say that other classes have the same problem.
Somehow, some players need to feel more important and useful. Bashing other classes out of ignorance is only their loss.
Then again, if we are talking WvW…that is a totally different story.

Deepcuts.9740:

Rangers need lotta love. True.
But to those saying they meet lots and lots of bad Rangers, I say: I also meet LOTS and LOTS of bad Warriors, Mesmers, Thieves, Engineers, Elementalists and Guardians.

But you fight a bad class versus a ranger, that noob have a chance… maybe not, but when you have all those class in front of you wish class you want him down first? The ranger is the last of your chose.

And stop saying he is good in pve, I didnt chose the ranger for pve but for pvp and if anet say is a pve class only, I want a new reroll full gear like my ranger is.

Then again, if we are talking WvW…that is a totally different story.[/quote]

50% of the ranger profession issues rooted here, there still are shortfalls but with the right build you can manage… now that being said the meta for a viable wvw ranger nowadays is really where you can see the curve of the ranger profession. I honestly hope that ANet can come up with changes that will affect PvE and WvW for the ranger in a positive way.

Personally however, a good ranger knows how to apply themselves, that is the key to being a good ranger. That the ranger profession doesn’t allow you to sit comfortably in one build, instead of changing it here and there depending on the situation is a problem; therein lies the core of what is wrong with the ranger, but if you can manage to work around that and work on your ranger you won’t get scolded for being a ranger. Why you say, how you say? Talk to the ‘almighty’ commanders in wvw, half of them understand the ranger profession as it is, I know this from personal experience; once you show anyone know you what you are doing there is no need to even defend the profession, just spread your knowledge.

Rangers are the hardest class to play! What other classes accomplish is 1 to 2 keystrokes or mouse clicks Rangers have to do in 3. Even the best players with a 33% increase in keystrokes are clandestine for failure as you have more opportunities to make mistakes.

Whether you’re playing PvE, PvP, or WvW we have some problems other than increased keystrokes. Spirit pets being able to be killed, only one other class I believe has this issue (the engineer) having your buff being able to be killed is just stupid. Spirits should be absorbed (possessing you) and everyone within X amount of feet should be buffed also.

Pet control, although I am not a fan of pets I guess they could be useful for buffs but since I can’t predetermine how far from me I want them to be without using an elite skill the pet is a complete waste of time. I am not interested in having a pet be so powerful that I am overpowered (like in Everquest 1 Beastmaster which was so OP it was only in the game for a short time) but, also I feel our pets take far too long to use their F2 skills so they can be more effective.

Shorten some of our cast times, Rampage as 1, Protect Me, all of our spirits, and EVERYONES HEALS (all classes heals) should not take more than 1/2 second to cast. I can see the need to have spells interrupted but every time I cast it isn’t fair. I play a bunker heal build or a condition damage build and find it ridiculous that I can’t cast a heal (shouts are a regeneration spell for me) because its constantly interrupted in WvW.

Shortbows should DoT from every angle, since Wilderness Survival is our greatest trait (i feel it is due to having damage and protection all rolled into one) we should be able to better capitalize on it. As we are only a single damage class our DoT should be stronger. Fixing the shortbows should remedy this. (for those who don’t know we have Sword, Axe, Dagger, and Torch that DoT also. Being able to stack Poison, Bleeds, and Fire is our greatest asset for damage as everyone suffers from DoT’s)

Although I feel many of you might not agree or may have better ideas. I feel these are a few of the biggest changes that we can have to enhance the ranger class. In a class that has very little escapability, (invis, AoE ground damage, and interrupts) very little guards (like AC, health regen) without heavily compromising damage output or massive amounts of keystrokes. These changes are only ones I can think of, that will enhance the ranger class, without changing the basic framework already in existence, and although I feel that it is warranted, ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

As some others have said, Rangers are the hardest class to play due to having to micro-manage an incompetent pet and their real lack of diversity and condition removal. The problem (and strength) with them from my experience is, you need to go full tilt in one spec to be somewhat effective whereas other classes are a little bit more forgiving when you start to mix things up.

They are very effective dps wise; granted I have not played all classes, but after playing both a warrior and Necro, when all classes are spec’d in pure glass cannon, the Ranger has higher sustained dps and burst by about 25%. Their survivability is also probably 50% less as well.

I have to laugh at people when they claim they are running a glass cannon build or a dps build, then they state they run knights/soldiers/berserker’s or a combination of the 2. This is neither a dps or glass cannon, if your going glass cannon, go full, run all Berserker’s and learn to stay alive. You can sit at 1500 range and deal loads of damage, much more than a warrior or Necro can at range and in melee. Because your at 1500 range, your survivabilty should be high; you should see enemies coming towards you, so act accordingly. Red circles shouldn’t be hard to avoid. Keep your range and deal high damage, that is in fact what they are good at.

The problem is though, they need more things they are really good at, and a little more forgiveness when mixing things up.

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

lol i was in open world, obviously i am going to use the signet. Anyway im not the best but no one have a problem with me been in a group and always say compliments or whatever.

All this talk when we just need to celebrate the poetry our fantastic poet Burnfall here blessed us with. A misunderstood genious, that guy. Preach on borther /fistbump.

Any possibility of justice and liberty for the Ranger class left with Robert Hrouda.

NemesiS.6749:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

Anyway im not the best but no one have a problem with me been in a group and always say compliments or whatever.

Then why do you join the bads that know only to cry on forum?
The class is awesome when played correctly. End of story. Sure there might be some things that need some work, but that goes for all classes.

Atherakhia.4086:

Durzlla.6295:

Atherakhia.4086:

I really can’t stand when people try and use the whole ‘people don’t bring rangers because most rangers are bad’. The class didn’t somehow attract every bad player in this game. It isn’t made up of more bad players than any other class. Hell, it’s not even the most faceroll class out there.

Rangers are seen as bad because they are bad. Not because their players are bad. Every class has the same number of bad players as the Ranger class has. The issue is the class doesn’t hide this fact as well as other classes do because the class as a whole is awful.

You must not play MMOs very often do you? The Ranger DOES attract bad players, why the hell do you think hunters in wow were called Huntards? Was it because hunters had bad DPS? No, not even close, it’s because every kitten and their grandma is attracted to the prof with a pet because they think “I only need to do half the work!” (Which is never true).

I have seen SO MANY bad rangers in PvE that it’s literally to the point where everytime me and my friends PuG I always kitten about how bad the rangers we PuG will be, so far only about 15% of them haven’t disappointed me, and only 5% I would consider to be good players.

I’ve been playing MMO’s for 25 years. I was in the alpha and beta for Ultima Online in fact. WoW is the first MMO that has really forced a pet on you for this type of class regardless if you call it a Ranger, Scout, Nightshade, Archer, etc.

Hunters were called Huntards in WoW because it was easy to call them that. It’s also foolish to claim they attract bad players. They attract a lot of players (in WoW there were more Hunters than any other class for example. When I was playing they were something like 20% of the population for example). People chose the class for 2 reasons: Legolas and Drizzt. In my experience, it’s actually the melee classes (rogue/thief in particular) that are completely hopeless when it comes to player skill.

Now with that all out of the way… what makes these Rangers bad in PvE in your experience? Is it because they’re actually brain dead and stand in red circles? Or is it because they play with a bow instead of a 1h sword? Because in my experience, the only thing that I’ve seen from ‘bad rangers’ in this game is that they want to play with a bow instead of a sword. So yes, that makes them bad in PvE because their dps is 50% of what it should be, but they’ve always been great players.

Playing the class the way you want to play it doesn’t make you a bad player. Standing in red circles and being 1 shot by telegraphed abilities does. As an experienced player it’s very easy to spot the difference between a bad class and a bad player. There’s a reason no one wants anything to do with Rangers in WvW and it has nothing to do with the class being controlled by terrible players. It’s because the class is bad.

Lol in PvE I play as a LB cleric ranger running muddy terrain and signet of the hunt, I can give 2 kittens about DPS, they are bad because they stand in kitten, don’t work with mechanics, don’t Rez, don’t help at all, they’re just flat out all around horrible players.

Don’t get me wrong, I do cringe when I see bearbow, despite that I run fernhound brown bear in PvE, because those tend to be the BAD rangers, the ones that tend to be decent usually run other combos, granted I HAVE seen some really really really good bearbow rangers that I’ve respected fully as players and even complimented them afterwards. Usually saying something like, “I’m so happy you didn’t turn out as bad as I thought!”

I think my favorite rangers are the ones who slowly mimic my skills, weapons, and pets over the dungeon lol. It normally doesn’t work for them since they have different traits and that but I -do- try to help out as much as possible…

I was just throwing in my 2 cents though, I almost always play the pet prof, and they tend to be riddled with horrible players for some reason, I just figured it attracted people who want to have AI do “all” the work.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

NemesiS.6749:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

Anyway im not the best but no one have a problem with me been in a group and always say compliments or whatever.

Then why do you join the bads that know only to cry on forum?
The class is awesome when played correctly. End of story. Sure there might be some things that need some work, but that goes for all classes.

So much of this…. Personally I think the AI, overall, is kitten, it needs a total rework I don’t care how hard that makes PvE content it can use a difficulty increase if you ask me…

Other than that and our boring kitten utilities though I can’t think of much else we really -need-, shouts need a rework, and signet of the beast master should be made baseline (oh look, like everyone else…) but we are VERY competitive in PvP (I should know that’s where I spend most my time…)

this game is over for me. Im desapointed how many topic and idea we post on this forum (skill idea/fix bug) nothing or near nothing move… seriously they are laugh about us.

WvW with a ranger is forget it because if you are good with something with your ranger there a other class who it better.

One years and half and we looking for something good on that class you, pet is broke, our mechanic is broken. The pet is slow, the ranger is slow.

So tell me what a ranger can do better than a other class. Seriously Im curious.

we suck at a range of 1500 if properly specced?

Burnfall.9573:

" Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are "

We rangers do not feel we belong in guild wars 2. No one can feel the deep pain, loneliness and sufferings we have felt since the first day of our birth.

We’ve all seen the LFG tool notes “no rangers” “rangers=kick” and the irony, the curse, the marks… rangers have to bear, wherever they go..

Lately, i was asked by couple new ranger players of the same subject, why are ranger class treated like an outcast? is it because they are rangers?

Immediately, i was stricken with sadness and remorse; for I a ranger, know the pain of being the outcast class.

Why outcast?

From past to present, everything we stood for and depended on, were intentionally taken from us; our range, our mobility, our strength, our cause, our freedom to adapt to any situations without being forced to, without being limited to.

Those who sworn to protect and preserve our survival, are the ones who are responsible for our maltreatment, inequality, oppression and our Injustice.

To make an example of our complete rejection and isolation, they drained our pet, our spirit life support so much that we can no longer depend on them for our own survival… They Silence our cries, our Hearts to make us a much less a capable meaningful class. they Retaliate with severe Punishments ( untended and Intentional nerfs) Their hope is to make us more vulnerable, “easy kill” to their Superior Elitist classes.

It does not end there, any minimal chance of hope for us, always return with grudge, animosity, and malice treatment.

Where Injustice hurt the most, is when all are done in the pleasure for the Superior Elite classes.

Where Injustice also hurt the most is how the Elite classes are given license to commit injustice and oppression to abuse and torture our defenseless class, whenever they please at any given time, over and over again.

All in the name of Balance.

Arena.net, this is all we ask from you;

to end your campaign of injustice and oppression against us.

to remove this merciless system against us.

Once and for all…

Give us The Justice, The Liberty we deserve.

Let us feel belong to

Let us be Rangers

I agree with you and have said things very close to this many times.

Being a Ranger may be server dependent in some ways – but on my server Ft. Aspenwood Rangers are scoffed at, maligned as well as ignored if they are dead on the field of battle in WvW.

“No Rangers” is a mantra that is heard on my server by me since I’ve played a Ranger more than many – and I am loyal to my Ranger who I know could be a dependable, not facemelted, entity if allowed the power of a wild pet (nerf happens at taming).

Fix the myriad of bugs that are known, as well as giving serious consideration to giving us a different weapon set than any other profession since our profession is so vastly different.

It can be very lonely for those of us who just won’t give up and do what many tell us day after day “Go roll a warrior/guardian.”

smekras.8203:

we suck at a range of 1500 if properly specced?

Yes, yes we do. WE have a huge CD on our only AOE while other profs have multiple aoes at range.

Durzlla.6295:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

NemesiS.6749:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

Anyway im not the best but no one have a problem with me been in a group and always say compliments or whatever.

Then why do you join the bads that know only to cry on forum?
The class is awesome when played correctly. End of story. Sure there might be some things that need some work, but that goes for all classes.

So much of this…. Personally I think the AI, overall, is kitten, it needs a total rework I don’t care how hard that makes PvE content it can use a difficulty increase if you ask me…

Other than that and our boring kitten utilities though I can’t think of much else we really -need-, shouts need a rework, and signet of the beast master should be made baseline (oh look, like everyone else…) but we are VERY competitive in PvP (I should know that’s where I spend most my time…)

We’re only competitive in pvp with a Spirit build. Although we could still be easily replaced by an engi.
So no, we’re not so competitive.

The worst point is:

1, For Anet, they won’t admit that ranger is a design failure so they won’t redesign it although they already knew it’s true.

2, For players, we are still dreaming about any changes although we already knew 1 and knew that we are just day-sreaming.

DanSH.6143:

Durzlla.6295:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

NemesiS.6749:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

Anyway im not the best but no one have a problem with me been in a group and always say compliments or whatever.

Then why do you join the bads that know only to cry on forum?
The class is awesome when played correctly. End of story. Sure there might be some things that need some work, but that goes for all classes.

So much of this…. Personally I think the AI, overall, is kitten, it needs a total rework I don’t care how hard that makes PvE content it can use a difficulty increase if you ask me…

Other than that and our boring kitten utilities though I can’t think of much else we really -need-, shouts need a rework, and signet of the beast master should be made baseline (oh look, like everyone else…) but we are VERY competitive in PvP (I should know that’s where I spend most my time…)

We’re only competitive in pvp with a Spirit build. Although we could still be easily replaced by an engi.
So no, we’re not so competitive.

Lets see…
PvE side: Rangers can be very helpfull in everything if they know how to play even top lvl fracts.

PvP: Spirit rangers are awesome for tpvp, and normal spvp.

WvW: Excellent roamers (both zerker and bunker/BM), and well.. in zergs everyone has a spot… Even in zergs AoE can be great with piercing arrows.

So keep on cryin’

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

DanSH.6143:

Durzlla.6295:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

NemesiS.6749:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

Anyway im not the best but no one have a problem with me been in a group and always say compliments or whatever.

Then why do you join the bads that know only to cry on forum?
The class is awesome when played correctly. End of story. Sure there might be some things that need some work, but that goes for all classes.

So much of this…. Personally I think the AI, overall, is kitten, it needs a total rework I don’t care how hard that makes PvE content it can use a difficulty increase if you ask me…

Other than that and our boring kitten utilities though I can’t think of much else we really -need-, shouts need a rework, and signet of the beast master should be made baseline (oh look, like everyone else…) but we are VERY competitive in PvP (I should know that’s where I spend most my time…)

We’re only competitive in pvp with a Spirit build. Although we could still be easily replaced by an engi.
So no, we’re not so competitive.

Lets see…
PvE side: Rangers can be very helpfull in everything if they know how to play even top lvl fracts.

PvP: Spirit rangers are awesome for tpvp, and normal spvp.

WvW: Excellent roamers (both zerker and bunker/BM), and well.. in zergs everyone has a spot… Even in zergs AoE can be great with piercing arrows.

So keep on cryin’

I encourage you to post this in the thief, warrior, guardian, mesmers forums and return here with confirmation that " we rangers are in the right spot" with them.

Also don’t forget to tell them how “Excellent” we are and how “Helpful” we are, even when we are 3 shotted dead by thieves.

During the meantime, we rangers will continue to fight for our survival and for our acceptance…. the best we can.

“ Denial does not solve the problem. Denial does not make the problem go away. Denial does not give us peace of mind, which is what we are really seeking when we engage in it. Denial is a liar. It compounds the problem, because it keeps us from seeing a solution, and taking action to resolve it ”.