Well that was my next question…
How Viable would ranger actually be at getting dead people back up in combat?
Even with Quickness, it feels REALLY REALLY slow still for me. Is there any Trait/Gear specs that would make it viable or are we just plain doomed b/c most of the people that always die in our party, always died right in Melee Range to the boss (and no one else can pull the boss out that range?).Is it even possible to Taxi ourselves back “out of combat” in a fight to regain that triple Rezzing speed? I’m guessing it’s not? When anyone in our party is still in Combat, we can’t even switch skills now? (there goes my old Sure-fire tactic for beating Lupicus by switching skills between stage 2 & 3!!)
I can tell You because I once have been forced to this
1. Only rangers that have many many toughness can be viable in rezzing dead teammates.
2. Start rezzing from the guys that have some rez bar replenished (if no one have just start that one that seems to be most usefull
3. Distract Boss – that’s very important – Sometimes sacrifice Pet to stop boss for a phew second behind is very good option – Spirits also can be helpfull there (if you don’t have Spirit Unbound trait)
4. Don’t let boss hit you when You are rezzing – If boss comes – go to the next member trying to slow down boss in the middletime
unfortunatelly none of this advises can make it when You face AC bosses called “Ghost Eater” nor “Colussus Rumblus” and party get wiped with only You standing – that was possible before the patches that make them “killable by method” – Ghost Eater just will spam with deadly AoE and Colussus are making his AoE on the whole room – not only in ring at 1200 range of him
That was patronizing in just how no-duh basic those tips were, …and didn’t answer my actual questions about a gimmick build for faster/safer Rezzing. I’m guessing this is another case where a really well played Thief is just a lot better.
Rangers are really good in PvP, but in PvE our best dungeon options are to do pretty much what a warrior does and do less damage at that.
The best way to fix that without becoming OP in PvP would be to fix the PvE content. (We’re all still waiting for main hand axe and LB buffs though :P)
In dungeons, rangers are good at movement, conditions, rezzing* and surviving.
*Just kidding, they killed Search and Rescue by restricting it to downed allies. Pets were doing something useful they said. Can’t have that they said.Either way, take the other three and focus PvE dungeon balances on those:
Movement: Add more situations where 1 or 2 players need to get to point A and B alive.
Conditions: Raise the toughness and lower the vitality of many enemies and all bosses. Condition damage ignores toughness, but it’s horrible against vitality tankers. Why is it that most (it seems like 90%+) of the enemies in dungeons have average armor and a massive HP pool?
Surviving: Well no changes need to be made for this, surviving is a really great thing to have on our side even now.
You know we are still godd at rezzing – just the role have been reversed – let the pet distract boss and me rezz party members
with tah condi dmg – I agree
@ilr we are no thiefes, and we Won’t stealth us nad rezzed party member – but this can be also good thing – for example bosshave 1/10 of his hp and perform something tat nearly wiped party with only rangi alive – would You really want deaggro boss (what thief would have done with his stealth) to replenish all his hp bar, or keep boss in fight to not replenish those and still rezz party.
about rezzing while boss fight – that’s all You need to learn. Really. there is nothing more than just "distract him in another place with pet/sprit/ whatever You have and rezz somebody – and then distract boss by Yourself and let the buddy rezz rest of party. That’s all – rest is practice training of this rule
… Maybe in a “I can catch you at this moment, so let me be a good guy and get you on your feet real fast” kind of way? Perhaps?
You… you all aren’t really talking about making bow/bow support builds and how you can rez in the middle of combat… are you? <_>’
1. If You want make it faster, Use quickness You have.
2. I’m talking about high survi build’s which I play – You know, 3k armor etc (Yes and still talking about ranger – I have 3k+ armor on my ranger )
and we are talking just why name of topic is false sentence
1. If You want make it faster, Use quickness You have.
2. I’m talking about high survi build’s which I play – You know, 3k armor etc
and we are talking just why name of topic is false sentence
Pre-Nerf: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Quickness&oldid=544360
…when it used to last 4 seconds + 3 from swap from Pet.
Do the math: 2×7=14 -vs-1.5×9=13.5 … :\
So we do less compressed rezzing in 9 seconds that used to only take 7…
They did all this b/c ppl were exploiting only for Stomps in sPvP.
No one at Anet’s stupid enough to say giving us more Quickness for rezzing in Dungeons would break dungeons (esp after THEY’RE the ones who are realeasing all this ridiculous “Ascended” power-creep we never needed in the first place). The problem I’m guessing is everyone at Anet’s also too lazy/busy with other crap we don’t need either, to make us viable Rezzers or atleast letting S&R do something more useful** than the stupid Rez-Sigs that none of the other classes run Either. (which also got nerfed for sPvP).
It’s GW1 all over again as usual with lack of skill splits screwing over certain classes while Power Creep just makes their competing classes into Gods in “Elite PvE”.
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1. If You want make it faster, Use quickness You have.
2. I’m talking about high survi build’s which I play – You know, 3k armor etc
and we are talking just why name of topic is false sentencePre-Nerf: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Quickness&oldid=544360
…when it used to last 4 seconds + 3 from swap from Pet.
Do the math: 2×7=14 -vs-1.5×9=13.5 … :\
So we do less compressed rezzing in 9 seconds that used to only take 7…They did all this b/c ppl were exploiting only for Stomps in sPvP.
No one at Anet’s stupid enough to say giving us more Quickness for rezzing in Dungeons would break dungeons (esp after THEY’RE the ones who are realeasing all this ridiculous “Ascended” power-creep we never needed in the first place). The problem I’m guessing is everyone at Anet’s also too lazy/busy with other crap we don’t need either, to make us viable Rezzers or atleast letting S&R do something more useful** than the stupid Rez-Sigs that none of the other classes run Either. (which also got nerfed for sPvP).It’s GW1 all over again as usual with lack of skill splits screwing over certain classes while Power Creep just makes their competing classes into Gods in “Elite PvE”.
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- **Something more useful: running in & Dragging the dead player about 30ft back from where they died “Lassie/Hollywood” style.
the quickness where nerfed because of thiefs that launched quickness and packed 25stack might backstab nuking nearly everyone – or those that was spaming unload with quickness and also was nuking every single target.
but we still can efficiently rezz ppl – that just need a little more time now.
and remeber – that official info about quickness nerf tells’ that quickness was nerfed because someplayers on specific builds whith quickness on them was able kill all bunker in the game in just a seconds.
@Ratty I’m afraid that now works – eventually not works in AC – while all party guys exept me was in fight I couldn’t change equipped weapon
about that taxi out of combat – when we are last man standing You don’t want to – You want to rezz ppl and not deaggro boss because then he will replenish all his hp
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@ShadowyDawn – when I came first time at this forum and stiil didn’t have 80 lvl on my ranger – I saw masive amounts of this “fix rangers, rangers sux” thing.
At those moment I laughet out loud and started to think that most ppl that is posting on official forums are just noobs that cannot play – at those moment even without this 80 lvl I have no problem with anything (except explo mods in AC because ppl was kicking because of lvl ) I was able efen to solo content for 3 lvls higher than mine (for example with guardian I had problem with some mobs that was 1 lvl higher than mine, and with engi that was suicide to go alone – somethimes for content with SAME lvl as mine)
I agree with almost everything You’ve told exept that thing I’m running different build :P
and with that warrior – I have once failed AC explo because ONE of warriors (4 warriors + ranger party) was very bad….