Guild Wars 2

Answer: BecauseThere’s so much hate in the community towards the ranger class.
First it was the BM spec, now Spirits.
People have been flaming us for so long that Anet had to spend more time nerfing us rather than improving us.
The BM nerf patch cut down ALL builds damage. Then we got our only good minor trait slaughtered (50% passive endurance bonus to 25%).
Almost everything that has been done to nerf our “strong” builds just completely broke our already broken builds.
People shout “ranger OP! ranger easy to play!” while our glass cannon builds fall faster than ele’s.

I think ANet really messed up when they gave us the new healing skill spirit. They probably thought “Hey, a lot of people use a spirit build, we should focus around what’s most popular”. But the problem is that it’s the most “popular” because it’s the only viable build.
I haven’t met even one ranger who enjoys playing it, since it encourages passive play, using AA shortbow more than you should.

A survival healing skill would fit better (you heal to survive… Duh..).
Something like “Heal for X amount and remove 3 conditions”.
Cool-down could be 16-20 seconds.
Any build atm can take 10 points in wilderness survival anyway so now instead of “Shared Anguish” we would just take “Wilderness Knowledge” (20% less cd on survival skills).
This would make specifically Power builds more viable, since they really active condi cleanse.
This heal could be named “Camouflage” and also apply stealth for 3 seconds (like the trait). Or just be named “Struggle to Survive”, “LOL we have condi cleanse”, etc..

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The reason of the “hate in the community towards the ranger class” is becoz ranger is underdog since day1. Ranger has been considered as a free kill for so long time, then once any viable competitive build appears, it makes ranger not a easy kill. “Lose to a ranger” is the biggest shame to other classes — that’s where the hate comes from.

So you want a low cooldown, cond cleanse heal that apply stealth that can be traitable for even lower colldown? …
We already have a healing skill that cleanse conditions.

Many nerfs was not because of our community, we got nerfs because Anet balanced only looking at sPvP, where ranger are actually good, but doing that we got even worse at PvE and WvW.

CRrabbit.1284:

The reason of the “hate in the community towards the ranger class” is becoz ranger is underdog since day1. Ranger has been considered as a free kill for so long time, then once any viable competitive build appears, it makes ranger not a easy kill. “Lose to a ranger” is the biggest shame to other classes — that’s where the hate comes from.

+1 I agree!

Akisame.9508:

CRrabbit.1284:

The reason of the “hate in the community towards the ranger class” is becoz ranger is underdog since day1. Ranger has been considered as a free kill for so long time, then once any viable competitive build appears, it makes ranger not a easy kill. “Lose to a ranger” is the biggest shame to other classes — that’s where the hate comes from.

+1 I agree!

It’s very sad but it’s the truth. Many competitive guilds have such rules like — you killed by a ranger, you get kicked out of the guild. It’s not a joke.
Ranger is a like baby with congenital deficiency and everyone else has bias towards him. Even his parents admitted this but just simply refuse to compensate him with other talents. It’s abandoned from the very beginning. If you are born as a ranger, just enjoy yourself in the world of down’s syndrome (open world PVE), there is only happiness. Just don’t step into the real world (WvW), you will find it too crucial to live.

I’m confused. I thought Trolls Unguent would be considered the “survival” heal. Of course, unlike most classes our heals don’t fit well into our skill categories. Maybe Healing Spring could be part of traps. No Idea what Heal as One is supposed to be, a shout? Now we have a Spirit, which leaves Signet as the only skill left out of our repertoire.

Belzebu.3912:

So you want a low cooldown, cond cleanse heal that apply stealth that can be traitable for even lower colldown? …
We already have a healing skill that cleanse conditions.

Many nerfs was not because of our community, we got nerfs because Anet balanced only looking at sPvP, where ranger are actually good, but doing that we got even worse at PvE and WvW.

We have 1 good build for pvp (Spirit Ranger) which, FYI is only viable because of Spirit of Nature.
We have 2 good builds for WvW and both of them are roaming builds.
We’re not “good” in pvp we’re in a very bad place. Having only 1 build choice is the worst thing that can happen to a class.

If that was true I’d put a lot of people out of guilds…

No wonder everyone hates me.

by all this talk people make it seam like rangers are helpless rangers are great at WvW and any pvp watch this should cheer you up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWj8G7XU-YI i have no idea when are class was Nerf but i run this build and i am doing great very happy with it anyone that hates rangers has no clue what there talking about

We have 1 good build for pvp (Spirit Ranger) which, FYI is only viable because of Spirit of Nature.
We have 2 good builds for WvW and both of them are roaming builds.
We’re not “good” in pvp we’re in a very bad place. Having only 1 build choice is the worst thing that can happen to a class.[/quote] thats not true i run an RRR build and i do great in pvp

We actually have good builds for zerg too trunks…

CRrabbit.1284:

The reason of the “hate in the community towards the ranger class” is becoz ranger is underdog since day1. Ranger has been considered as a free kill for so long time, then once any viable competitive build appears, it makes ranger not a easy kill. “Lose to a ranger” is the biggest shame to other classes — that’s where the hate comes from.

+1 – this.

trunks.5249:

We have 1 good build for pvp (Spirit Ranger) which, FYI is only viable because of Spirit of Nature.
We have 2 good builds for WvW and both of them are roaming builds.
We’re not “good” in pvp we’re in a very bad place. Having only 1 build choice is the worst thing that can happen to a class.

thats not true i run an RRR build and i do great in pvp

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warrior/engi/dps guardian can replace you and it would be better for the group, even spirit ranger would be better.

Fenrir.6183:

We actually have good builds for zerg too trunks…

i am sure there is i was just talking about pvp i have not got around to using my ranger in WvW yet but all the ranger hate from the other people drive me crazy when there’s videos showing how good rangers are

Why would anyone hate Rangers? Especially in WvW. I understand they aren’t wanted in groups but why would a “free kill” be hated?

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warrior/engi/dps guardian can replace you and it would be better for the group, even spirit ranger would be better.
lol tell that to the same classes you just said running from my pet has there bleeding to death pop Entangled use warhorn a few evades with sword and my cat pounding on them boom its over

I find it sad how much hate is there, i have to leave team speak sometimes because I get tired of hearing how my class is useless and I should play something else to be useful in wvw.

The thing is, its not true, I can beat down warriors and guardians, and if zerging be the last survivor in the zerg, but it doesnt matter because opinion is where it is now.

There is some truth, its easy to build a weak ranger. But I agree with most people here, when people die to an arrow they are very indignant and get very upset.

You guys are fools….. There is only one reason why there are so much hate against the Ranger class…. and that’s because those wimps went up against me! HaHAH!! >=) All I ever heard was, “Too Strong Nerf Plz” after I repeatedly jump on their dead body

Might you grace us with your build?

Shadowbane.7109:

Might you grace us with your build?

He is trolling.

The hate against rangers?

- i have the Feeling the most People who are against rangers…are rangers themselfes. There is so much QQ about stuff that isnt needed. Rangers are strong, but crying around how weak we are. Its like in School “who hates themself cant expect that others love him”

- Some rangers just Play incredible bad. Some PvE Players at start never learned to dodge. PewPew from far away made it useless to learn. The risen were dead before they got too Close. But we should expect that Players who played the game few months are able to dodge?

-selfish rangers – Okay i dont want to say that just rangers are selfish, other classes can be selfish too. But why r some rangers Standing behind, see that his mates get down and never mind to revive? Thats a Problem, instead of helping they think they can kill the Mob/Foe/Champ alone and die atleast. Thats for sure a reason why many Player hates them. Standing safe behind and dont mind to help

- underestimating their own class.
Rangers can be so strong and have so much potential. But our class is not easy mode. We Need to learn and move.
Now i have the Feeling when we loose a fight the most ranger go online here and call for nerfs of other classes.
And when we have a strong build, so strong that ist going to be too strong (BM and Spirit) the most cant accept that and discuss and flame around.
What do u think about Warrior who say they are balanced and should Need a buff instead of a nerf? Or PU mesmer who wants all boons at once?
U wouldnt like them because they cant accept that they are too strong. The same procedure we can see here.

snow.8097:

The hate against rangers?

- i have the Feeling the most People who are against rangers…are rangers themselfes. There is so much QQ about stuff that isnt needed. Rangers are strong, but crying around how weak we are. Its like in School “who hates themself cant expect that others love him”

- Some rangers just Play incredible bad. Some PvE Players at start never learned to dodge. PewPew from far away made it useless to learn. The risen were dead before they got too Close. But we should expect that Players who played the game few months are able to dodge?

-selfish rangers – Okay i dont want to say that just rangers are selfish, other classes can be selfish too. But why r some rangers Standing behind, see that his mates get down and never mind to revive? Thats a Problem, instead of helping they think they can kill the Mob/Foe/Champ alone and die atleast. Thats for sure a reason why many Player hates them. Standing safe behind and dont mind to help

- underestimating their own class.
Rangers can be so strong and have so much potential. But our class is not easy mode. We Need to learn and move.
Now i have the Feeling when we loose a fight the most ranger go online here and call for nerfs of other classes.
And when we have a strong build, so strong that ist going to be too strong (BM and Spirit) the most cant accept that and discuss and flame around.
What do u think about Warrior who say they are balanced and should Need a buff instead of a nerf? Or PU mesmer who wants all boons at once?
U wouldnt like them because they cant accept that they are too strong. The same procedure we can see here.

BM was a strong build until Anet nerfed it to the ground, spirits?? play a spirit ranger and you will know how to kill him easy.

Ranger is a underperforming Class due to Anet Balance team.

Ranger just has one of the steepest learning curve. You have to actually learn to play your class before being effective…unlike warrior, guardian or necros that can be played somewhat effectively with very poor knowledge of the class (i know, i also play those 3 classes from time to time).
You need to know your class well, timings, positioning, etc.
Most people aren’t ready for this since gw2 is so casual friendly. But it’s not that hard actually, it’s much easier than playing old school MMOs like everquest…

As long as there is no change to the combat log to make it useful, we can’t really say that a class is “underperforming” as we have no evidence of it. I’m pretty sure rangers are not due to my own experience and discussions with top wvw rangers however.

Fenrir.6183:

Ranger just has one of the steepest learning curve. You have to actually learn to play your class before being effective…unlike warrior, guardian or necros that can be played somewhat effectively with very poor knowledge of the class (i know, i also play those 3 classes from time to time).
You need to know your class well, timings, positioning, etc.
Most people aren’t ready for this since gw2 is so casual friendly. But it’s not that hard actually, it’s much easier than playing old school MMOs like everquest…

As long as there is no change to the combat log to make it useful, we can’t really say that a class is “underperforming” as we have no evidence of it. I’m pretty sure rangers are not due to my own experience and discussions with top wvw rangers however.

If your pet need 10 sec to use f2 ,skill means nothing…..

snow.8097:

The hate against rangers?

- i have the Feeling the most People who are against rangers…are rangers themselfes. There is so much QQ about stuff that isnt needed. Rangers are strong, but crying around how weak we are. Its like in School “who hates themself cant expect that others love him”

This this this this this.
Its the biggest bunch of whiners i ever experienced, like really.
Just become a good ranger and you will suddenly feel good playing the class, anywhere and in every aspect of the game ^_^

Guys, people hate rangers (in pvp) because when they think about Spirit Ranger, which is fairly tanky while dealing a lot of damage with AA spamming. They hated BM too because it was an AI bunker build (much like MM necro).
In PvE people hate rangers because they think about BearBow.

urdriel.8496:

snow.8097:

The hate against rangers?

- i have the Feeling the most People who are against rangers…are rangers themselfes. There is so much QQ about stuff that isnt needed. Rangers are strong, but crying around how weak we are. Its like in School “who hates themself cant expect that others love him”

- Some rangers just Play incredible bad. Some PvE Players at start never learned to dodge. PewPew from far away made it useless to learn. The risen were dead before they got too Close. But we should expect that Players who played the game few months are able to dodge?

-selfish rangers – Okay i dont want to say that just rangers are selfish, other classes can be selfish too. But why r some rangers Standing behind, see that his mates get down and never mind to revive? Thats a Problem, instead of helping they think they can kill the Mob/Foe/Champ alone and die atleast. Thats for sure a reason why many Player hates them. Standing safe behind and dont mind to help

- underestimating their own class.
Rangers can be so strong and have so much potential. But our class is not easy mode. We Need to learn and move.
Now i have the Feeling when we loose a fight the most ranger go online here and call for nerfs of other classes.
And when we have a strong build, so strong that ist going to be too strong (BM and Spirit) the most cant accept that and discuss and flame around.
What do u think about Warrior who say they are balanced and should Need a buff instead of a nerf? Or PU mesmer who wants all boons at once?
U wouldnt like them because they cant accept that they are too strong. The same procedure we can see here.

BM was a strong build until Anet nerfed it to the ground, spirits?? play a spirit ranger and you will know how to kill him easy.

Ranger is a underperforming Class due to Anet Balance team.

BM was a OP build. tank ranger meets mega burst birds. anet nerfted it to the balance ground. now its a bunker hard to kill but also hard to kill the other one. how it should be.
Spirit is one of the strongest builds ingame. dont matter how u want to play. solo group roamer bunker.
when u die fast with almost perma prot. perma burn on foe. lot of vita and toughness and evades via weapons and aoe blend immob und dmg…yeah then r not spirit rangers easy to kill. Just you.
tip for everyone: sometimes its not the best technique to activate all spirits at same time.

Ehh, Since when is BM Bunker nerfed into the ground.

It was nerfed this is true, But if you’re thinking BM Bunker isn’t able to kill people very easily you’ve not been watching my updated Guides.

Spirit Ranger also cracks me up, Because I play a Venom Aura Thief, and that build is 100x more powerful in a solo and group setting then Spirit Ranger.

id have to say i agree with Xsorus. Since ive had my Re-port fitted ranger ive never died in a 1 on 1 fight. and it usually takes atleast 3 good players to contain and drop a well played re-port/resto/bm ranger.

although i would like to see some viable builds for bows as none currently exist.

Terravos.4059:

Ehh, Since when is BM Bunker nerfed into the ground.

It was nerfed this is true, But if you’re thinking BM Bunker isn’t able to kill people very easily you’ve not been watching my updated Guides.

Spirit Ranger also cracks me up, Because I play a Venom Aura Thief, and that build is 100x more powerful in a solo and group setting then Spirit Ranger.

im not comparing ranger with other classes, i talk about the build rangers can use.

urdriel.8496:

Terravos.4059:

Ehh, Since when is BM Bunker nerfed into the ground.

It was nerfed this is true, But if you’re thinking BM Bunker isn’t able to kill people very easily you’ve not been watching my updated Guides.

Spirit Ranger also cracks me up, Because I play a Venom Aura Thief, and that build is 100x more powerful in a solo and group setting then Spirit Ranger.

im not comparing ranger with other classes, i talk about the build rangers can use.

when i read ur past Posts i can say with certainty that u r doing nothing else then compare Ranger with Warrior.

Everything the most People are saying was that the rangers just get nerfs.
They dont want to see the buffs we get and that the nerfs are needed for Balance issues.
The most here just see two or three classes. Ranger, warrior and maybe thief. And have absolutley no interest to see the whole Picture. Ranger compare themselfes with an absolutely different class. Never listened to the devs?: “do not compare two classes”
U just see a nerf by rangers and Forget the other classes. U see no Balance u see just “RANGER NERF”. And feel like the biggest victim.
As i made a post with almost all buffs the ranger gets since release (as an answer for a thread with all nerfs), what happened? I get flamed and was marked as troller because i tried to Show the ranger community the reality.
We are more balanced then others think. They just dont want to see it

snow.8097:

urdriel.8496:

Terravos.4059:

Ehh, Since when is BM Bunker nerfed into the ground.

It was nerfed this is true, But if you’re thinking BM Bunker isn’t able to kill people very easily you’ve not been watching my updated Guides.

Spirit Ranger also cracks me up, Because I play a Venom Aura Thief, and that build is 100x more powerful in a solo and group setting then Spirit Ranger.

im not comparing ranger with other classes, i talk about the build rangers can use.

when i read ur past Posts i can say with certainty that u r doing nothing else then compare Ranger with Warrior.

Everything the most People are saying was that the rangers just get nerfs.
They dont want to see the buffs we get and that the nerfs are needed for Balance issues.
The most here just see two or three classes. Ranger, warrior and maybe thief. And have absolutley no interest to see the whole Picture. Ranger compare themselfes with an absolutely different class. Never listened to the devs?: “do not compare two classes”
U just see a nerf by rangers and Forget the other classes. U see no Balance u see just “RANGER NERF”. And feel like the biggest victim.
As i made a post with almost all buffs the ranger gets since release (as an answer for a thread with all nerfs), what happened? I get flamed and was marked as troller because i tried to Show the ranger community the reality.
We are more balanced then others think. They just dont want to see it

really? ranger is perfect as he is now?? omg……

in Each gear/weapon progression we LOST damage vs others classes.
the reality is that ranger is UP, you can kill people with ranger, you can be a megasuperelite player with him , but you are playing a UP class, is fun?? yes, it is, but this class need a mechanic redesign.

kitten we need 30 points to be able to use active signets in rangers , all other classes can do it without traits……..

Pet AI(pathfinding, f2 delay, cant hit a mobile opponent) is stupid and Anet said they will not fix it because it is really hard to do.

Our Core mechanic, our pet is broken, but you says that ranger is perfect….
you should read all post before compare me, they said than 1 warriors and 1 ranger have more dps than 2 warrior, and is false, sad but false.

“really? ranger is perfect as he is now?? omg……”
i never said Ranger are perfect
I am just the opinion that perma QQ about stuff will never help.
Some People are just blinded and think rangers are UP and suggest stuff to “Balance” the ranger that would make him too OP
i mean come on guys, EB on master?! that we can use Empathic Bound and Bark Skin at same time? Never in favor of Balance.

“kitten we need 30 points to be able to use active signets in rangers , all other classes can do it without traits……..”
Omg yes we Need to put 30 to use the active effects, but our active effects are much stronger then the most other Signets! See the whole Picture urdriel!
The most Signets of the other classes apply a stun or some conditions, or give allies some boons. Less Signets are comparable with a 6s invuln, 8s Stability PLUS 25% more dmg of u AND our pet, a full condi clean with that we could cure (in theory) the conditions of 10 allies and a much stronger attack.
Thats why we Need to invest a lot of more traitpoints!

“Pet AI(pathfinding, f2 delay, cant hit a mobile opponent) is stupid and Anet said they will not fix it because it is really hard to do.”
Yeah the old discussion. Everyone knows that issue, anet stated this and i can understand it. I dont like it but why the hell should we discuss this theme over and over when anet already told us the state?!
We cant Change it now, what we can do except the very helpful “fix it anet or gtfo” is to tell them what could help. I suggested a Little window that Shows the attack Icons to see the next attacks of our pet, that would help

“Our Core mechanic, our pet is broken, but you says that ranger is perfect….”
Give me one sentence where i said this

I would suggest largely ignoring urdriel, every post I read by him convinces me more and more that he either doesn’t even play a ranger or doesn’t put the time in to gear/spec/play one well.

While constructive criticism is often helpful and can lead to good dialog, constant and obstinate negativity is neither helpful nor good for a community. At this point I largely ignore what people say about rangers because I really enjoy roaming/zerging with mine and do not feel “zomg underpowered” at all. For perspective I also have a warrior and ele, two of the “best” zerging classes so I don’t have “ranger goggles” on.

Hehe, “ranger goggles”

I’ll just leave this here:

JonPeters.5630:

Hi ######, I’m totally not here so skip this post and read on…

We made the improvements we had time to test. There are still more ranger improvements but when our time is limited we have to focus on things we know we can fix. Signets and shouts are still on the docket, and I suspect some of each of these will get some love in the next time around. As you can see a lot changed in this build for every profession and we have to test these changes as well.

I do still believe ranger is the profession in most need of improvement after this patch and we will continue to make those improvements. If we could fix everything at one time we would, but the reality is there are a limited # of hours to make changes.

I see a lot of talk about ranger weapons, but I don’t think that is the real problem. I think sword and longbow are both good weapons, which is why the changes take longer. The problems are deeper, in pets ability to hit moving targets, trait lines with not enough viable choices and skills that are often too specialized to really compliment the weapon builds. These aren’t things we can change overnight. The change to Greatsword block was in fact a very difficult change, but we made it because we knew it was the right thing to do.

There are >500 skills in this game, 480 traits, and 2 designers working on this. Even then often we are bottle necked by other issues. I’m not going to say we are not working on these things, nor can I say there are things we could have changed but just ran out of time on, but this was a patch that contained ranger improvements and it will not be the last one that does so. Maybe you want more than honesty but that is what I currently have to offer.

Jon

This was posted over a year ago and personally I am still waiting on these improvements we were promised.

snow.8097:

Everything the most People are saying was that the rangers just get nerfs.
They dont want to see the buffs we get and that the nerfs are needed for Balance issues.

What buffs have rangers ever received? I have been playing solely a ranger since BW2 and all I have seen are nerfs or side grades like stealth on longbow, reveal on sic em’, and aquaman patch.

Not to mention the class is broken due to poor pet reaction time and poor cast times on F2. About the only thing they have done to pets is reduce their damage and leash range. Neither of those are buffs.

I mean really, how many ranger commanders or ‘legend’ rank or higher rangers do you see in WvWvW? I can honestly say I have never seen either, and I am somewhere around rank 40.

Truth of the matter is Ranger is probably too difficult to fix for what it is worth. There are 7 other classes to use, all of which have defined roles and more than one useful build.

gpassucc.5961:

I would suggest largely ignoring urdriel, every post I read by him convinces me more and more that he either doesn’t even play a ranger or doesn’t put the time in to gear/spec/play one well.

While constructive criticism is often helpful and can lead to good dialog, constant and obstinate negativity is neither helpful nor good for a community. At this point I largely ignore what people say about rangers because I really enjoy roaming/zerging with mine and do not feel “zomg underpowered” at all. For perspective I also have a warrior and ele, two of the “best” zerging classes so I don’t have “ranger goggles” on.

Hehe, “ranger goggles”

Ofc, it is better to close your eyes an repeat, ranger is good, we dont need improvements.

Fun != balanced.

PD:I have ranger,ele,thief,guardian,warrior and engi, ¿ranger googles?, and about gear and tried every gear of ranger, but im not blind like you ,look at the amount of rangers you see in WvW.

all i want and i think all what the two Balancer want are intelligent posts about ideas how to make classes more balanced or other cool ideas to make the classes more fun to play.
most suggestions i read in all forums for ranger (ofc not all!) were too strong. EB and BS at same time. Active effects of Signets for rangera without traiting. Enlargement gives u 75% more dmg.
maybe we dont get buffs because the balance team have the feeling we do not know what “balance” is?

oh and gotejjekten pls feel free to read my posts on my profil. there is anywhere my posts in “the list of buffs” next to my QQ about the sylvari cultural armor change :P

snow.8097:

all i want and i think all what the two Balancer want are intelligent posts about ideas how to make classes more balanced or other cool ideas to make the classes more fun to play.
most suggestions i read in all forums for ranger (ofc not all!) were too strong. EB and BS at same time. Active effects of Signets for rangera without traiting. Enlargement gives u 75% more dmg.
maybe we dont get buffs because the balance team have the feeling we do not know what “balance” is?

oh and gotejjekten pls feel free to read my posts on my profil. there is anywhere my posts in “the list of buffs” next to my QQ about the sylvari cultural armor change :P

They know what ranger want:

-Viable bow builds.( SB is really good for condis/control , and LB should be good for power/critical builds ), they nerfed shortbow range,Rate of fire ( but a mesmer can use a greatsword skill at 1200 range…., Anet commmon sense), and we need a trait to have 1500 range , a shoot from 1500 range can be evaded only moving aside., LB need a burst skill ( Rapid fire is not a burst skill).

-fix Pet AI

-Fix arrow trajectories ( obstruct,miss, etc.)

-Fix Pet f2 delay.

-Pet Stats must be affected by ranger stats.

-More control over pet skills.

- we should be able to use signets on our ranger without spend 30 points into markmanship as all other class of this game can do(you said, look, they are powerful, i say No, they have a really long CD we must MUST spend 30 points…..), ranger signet must affect ranger, and, if traited ,pets.

- we need better active cleanse skills ( our best cleanse is on wilderness XI, and is each 10 sec + our pet must be alive, one more time we need to spend 30 points).

-Ranger trait lines needs more sinergy between weapons/skill/traits.

i said what the balance team eant and not what the ranger community wants urdriel.

wow a 1500 arrow is easy to evade? really? i thought in real life they follow the foe to death!
look at guard autoattack of cepter. the orbs are so slow that we can evade them in900 range.

Signets are strong what r u talking about. when ur cd is too long then use sigbet mastery for 20% less. i tould u the state but as i said some people r blinded.
it seems like that a lot of rangers want to be a victim. they see their role as a absolute underdog and shout for compassion.

we have signet of renewal why no one sees that skill? when u watch ur pet u have a full cleanse.
what this skill could need is a tooltip of range.

yeah okay more synergy would be nice thats true

snow.8097:

wow a 1500 arrow is easy to evade? really? i thought in real life they follow the foe to death!

You mean like arrows gain speed thus dealing more damage at 1500 range than at closer ranges? Does that also happen in real life?

Does it really matter what real life arrows do? If it made rangers more balanced, yes they should make laser guided, computerized arrows.

edit: in case the sarcasm didn’t go through the internet cables, what i meant is that what happens in the real world should not be a reason to keep a class unbalanced in a game about fantasy and magic.

Aioros.4862:

snow.8097:

wow a 1500 arrow is easy to evade? really? i thought in real life they follow the foe to death!

what i meant is that what happens in the real world should not be a reason to keep a class unbalanced in a game about fantasy and magic.

Well that’s why I like the way Ranger pets are slow to respond. It’s more realistic. In the real world my canine, Jack Russell never responds quickly when I call him inside. My cat totally ignores me.

In that ranger pets are totally realistic. :P

CRrabbit.1284:

The reason of the “hate in the community towards the ranger class” is becoz ranger is underdog since day1. Ranger has been considered as a free kill for so long time, then once any viable competitive build appears, it makes ranger not a easy kill. “Lose to a ranger” is the biggest shame to other classes — that’s where the hate comes from.

Lol, that is the biggest pile of rubbish iv’e heard ina long time. Yes, nowdays rangers are much more challenging, but a year ago, before BM, Quickness and endurance regen nerfs (only BM was ranger only, so stop crying, the other professions got hit just as hard from Quickness and Endurance nerfs), the ranger was one of the most destructive professions in small groups. We still are, but to a lesser extent.

Negativity breeds more negativity, the doomsayers is what has ruined this community, not the nerfs.
Take a look at spirits, people cried and cried and cried because now their CD’s would start after the spirits death and not the other way around, and in the end, it turned out to be no biggie, it may even be called a buff. Same with healing spring, people cried so hard when they nerfed the duration but upped the pulses. In the end it was a buff.
Now empathic bond change is coming up, and people are crying their hearts out because now they will no longer be able to abuse a bug. Well sucks for you, but honestly, if you have to rely on bugs or a terrible trait to get by, then you got a L2P issue.
Shortbow nerf, oh so terrible, imagine the fact that one weapon can no longer act as a “do all be all” weapon. How gruesome, you only have like 4 other mainhand weapons of choice and multiple offhands. Apparently you cannot play a ranger anymore, and if that is how you feel, then play a thief, because a thief SB is more awesome then a ranger SB but with same range. Ciao.
There was the nerf to Search and Rescue, which was an unintended bug, however that nerf killed pretty much the only practical shout we had at the time. Protect Me and Sick’em still needs lots of work to be good.
Oh and let us not forget that the bleedstacks was removed from Maul. The whole weapon became unusable overnight, or so it seemed if you listened to these forums. Because apparently being able to do 20k crits are not enough unless you can apply 1100 bleeding over 6 seconds too.
Oh and let us NOT forget the nerf to Hunters Shot. That god awful stealth ruined the LB. And giving us Vulnerability on Rapid Fire must have been the worst idea since the invention of the public internet.

Yeah, by now, you should’a gotten the point. All these nerfs, while some worse then others, are by no means gamebreaking. What is gamebreaking is the poorly thought out utilities and the messy traitlines. that is gamebreaking.

The Ranger is a class that has to rely on his pet companion for ~30% damage. One of the main things I find odd about that is that the Ranger is also the only class that actively tries to kill his own pet all the time through his own utilities and traits.

And then we add the fact that pets can’t even hit moving targets and we have a Ranger desperate to kill his pet all the time, and his pet desperate to play air-karate all the time.

Something isn’t right here…

urdriel.8496:

snow.8097:

all i want and i think all what the two Balancer want are intelligent posts about ideas how to make classes more balanced or other cool ideas to make the classes more fun to play.
most suggestions i read in all forums for ranger (ofc not all!) were too strong. EB and BS at same time. Active effects of Signets for rangera without traiting. Enlargement gives u 75% more dmg.
maybe we dont get buffs because the balance team have the feeling we do not know what “balance” is?

oh and gotejjekten pls feel free to read my posts on my profil. there is anywhere my posts in “the list of buffs” next to my QQ about the sylvari cultural armor change :P

They know what ranger want:

-Viable bow builds.( SB is really good for condis/control , and LB should be good for power/critical builds ), they nerfed shortbow range,Rate of fire ( but a mesmer can use a greatsword skill at 1200 range…., Anet commmon sense), and we need a trait to have 1500 range , a shoot from 1500 range can be evaded only moving aside., LB need a burst skill ( Rapid fire is not a burst skill).

-fix Pet AI

-Fix arrow trajectories ( obstruct,miss, etc.)

-Fix Pet f2 delay.

-Pet Stats must be affected by ranger stats.

-More control over pet skills.

- we should be able to use signets on our ranger without spend 30 points into markmanship as all other class of this game can do(you said, look, they are powerful, i say No, they have a really long CD we must MUST spend 30 points…..), ranger signet must affect ranger, and, if traited ,pets.

- we need better active cleanse skills ( our best cleanse is on wilderness XI, and is each 10 sec + our pet must be alive, one more time we need to spend 30 points).

-Ranger trait lines needs more sinergy between weapons/skill/traits.

No, we dont need a trait to reach all the way to 1500, the LB AA is bugged, and Anet has said the bug cannot be fixed without breaking the targeting system ingame. So if you use manual fire, your standard LB will hit around 1500, give or take 100 range depending on terrain.

Pet AI is tied to Monster AI, will forever be, because monster AI is programed with counters and actions against Pet AI. Thus to change the Pet AI, they have to change the counters to Pet AI within the Monster AI. If not, pets will be insanely OP.
Changing the Monster AI will make the game itself for all other professions much harder. Thus by fixing pets, you will introduce a powercreep.

The rest of your complaints, i pretty much agree with.

Prysin: If Anet cant fix pet AI as they said months ago, they MUST give us something in compensation, instead of 70%-30% , ranger damage should be 90-10 or 85-15,.

Prysin…i love u :´(
U understand me

Prysin.8542:

Pet AI is tied to Monster AI, will forever be, because monster AI is programed with counters and actions against Pet AI. Thus to change the Pet AI, they have to change the counters to Pet AI within the Monster AI. If not, pets will be insanely OP.

I’m sorry, but this is bullsh…

They made a bad decision when they implemented pets in this game by having our pets tied to the pve side of things. For pvp, that simply won’t do.

Ranger pets should have been a separate entity from the get go, because then they wouldn’t have painted themselves into the corner they currently are standing in.

Don’t come here saying this can’t be fixed, or come dragging something about how “pets will be insanely OP”.

Gotejjeken.1267:

snow.8097:

Everything the most People are saying was that the rangers just get nerfs.
They dont want to see the buffs we get and that the nerfs are needed for Balance issues.

What buffs have rangers ever received? I have been playing solely a ranger since BW2 and all I have seen are nerfs or side grades like stealth on longbow, reveal on sic em’, and aquaman patch.

Not to mention the class is broken due to poor pet reaction time and poor cast times on F2. About the only thing they have done to pets is reduce their damage and leash range. Neither of those are buffs.

I mean really, how many ranger commanders or ‘legend’ rank or higher rangers do you see in WvWvW? I can honestly say I have never seen either, and I am somewhere around rank 40.

Truth of the matter is Ranger is probably too difficult to fix for what it is worth. There are 7 other classes to use, all of which have defined roles and more than one useful build.

I’m rank 186 in WvW as a ranger

Yes, pets suck. Anet absolutely needs to make our pets their own AI that isn’t shared with the normal mob AI in the game. When pets are on passive, they shouldn’t be able to run 10 meters in front of us. When you’re surrounded by AOE, and you call back your pet so he won’t get hit, and then he stops 5 meters short of you to just stand in the AOE anyway, it gets extremely frustrating.