Why is everyone that disagrees with you a boy, kid, moron, “spreadsheet warrior,” a bad player in general who can’t stay alive, bad at revenant or a fool who doesn’t know how to put together a build?
I don’t have a stake in this fight, because the rev is not my main class, but I do have a few observations. I always encourage anyone to play whatever class they enjoy in whatever content they enjoy. I think, however, in your exaggerated condescension of people, you have glossed over some legitimate issues that are facing this class, at least when it comes to raids.
I have no reason to doubt your claim that you have no issues playing revenant in raids, but that is a real obstacle for some people, at least from my observations in NA. You’ve said, as I recall that you play with guilds and your group pugs a few slots, if I remember correctly. Many people are not in that situation, because they are not in a guild that does raids. So people like that can either buy a commander tag and start their own group, or, most likely, they’re forced to pug.
Aside from the hands kiter Ventari rev in the Deimos fight, pug commanders and raid squads don’t like revs of any kind, much less condi revs. Now we can go back and forth all day long about why that’s the case, that if that’s true those people are just spreadsheet sheep dummies that can’t play without qT telling them what to do and whatever, but it is the case. A group asks for dps, someone joins on a rev, they’re asked to switch, if they say “No, I’m playing rev, rev is fine,” then they’re kicked. They might find a training run that doesn’t care, but for people who are interested in kills, it’s a tough go for them.
So someone that wants to raid, has multiple toons geared and has options has a choice. One option is they continually join groups on a rev, have to get kicked multiple times, argue with people about it, get kicked some more and wait for maybe 2 or more hours, find a group, the group fails and people blame the rev for the group’s low dps, then either kick him or people leave, then all that time is wasted. Or he can switch to another class, find a group right away and get going. You say you haven’t run into that problem, but I’ve definitely seen it and so have many others. Not everyone has a guild group that don’t care what class people run, and not everyone has a spare 300 gold to buy a commander tag without wiping out their savings. Even if a rev started his own group without a tag, those are real issues he has to face.
I actually enjoy seeing revs in fractals, would never say it’s a bad class overall (though it does have some issues that need addressing), and have been in groups that have cleared raid wings with revs. But people’s attitude about revs is not irrelevant, as you say, because perception in many cases can be more important than truth. Any time you have to rely on pugs to get in a raid, then that particular pug groups’ attitude controls what you’re allowed to play and what you’re not. Telling someone to ignore those dead weight “spreadsheet warriors”, as you like to call them, doesn’t solve the problem, because the person is still stuck waiting for a group.
As far as condi rev goes, I would like to see someone’s actual numbers on that in raid situations, because it seems to me that with the common strategies people use, the bosses don’t move enough to take advantage of the torment. Bandit Trio and Escort have multiple adds, which would favor going Power Rev. Keep Construct would be power no question because of the burst phases involved. Although a rare strat early on, many groups now do no updraft Gorseval, so he doesn’t move there. Sabetha doesn’t move. If the group has good dps, Vale Guardian doesn’t move much at all. Slothasor moves a little, then is kept in place, and when he is moved, he isn’t moved for long. Same with Xera, she’s also moved very little. Your experience may be different than what I’ve seen, but I’m not sure how torment would be any good on any boss other than Matthias. I haven’t personally tested it, but some friends of mine have tried it and found it lackluster, and that’s not because they’re spreadsheet sheep who don’t know how to make a build.
It’s cool that your passionate about the class and want to help people with it, but some good points that you do make get lost in your bile, hyperbole, insults and sweeping statements that can apply generally, but do not universally. Not everyone who sees issues with your opinions is dumb a qT sheep or bad at the class.
