Guild Wars 2

Given that facet of nature and traits are on both builds, which legend is batter to pair with shiro in your opinion?

3 game modes, not only pvp (where I prefer mallyx).

Discuss, shoro/jalis or shiro/glint

I want to use Rev for Dungeons and Fractals. I’m thinking I’m going to spend the majority of my time in Glint Stance (for perma-fury). I’m trying to decide what the second stance should be.

The primary draw for me for Shiro would be quickness. The draw for Jalis would be condition removal and survivability until I can get back into Glint stance (and presumably, being forced out of Glint stance would be because shield 5 was already on cd or burning through too much energy).

Really depends how it functions and what the traits for glint are.

Sword 3 sounded and looked cool but it wasnt very impressive and still needed changes.

If there’s any damage modifiers in that trait line you will take it 100% of the time. As for the facet I would still have to see it in action before i made the call.

The idea potentially of perma protection though isnt too shabby in group settings.

The question here is shiro/jalis or shiro/glint, both invocation/devastation/herald for max multipliers.

Using rune of rage for extra multiplier and no need to compare fury uptime (100% anyway)

Stinja.9612:

Really depends how it functions and what the traits for glint are.

Sword 3 sounded and looked cool but it wasnt very impressive and still needed changes.

If there’s any damage modifiers in that trait line you will take it 100% of the time. As for the facet I would still have to see it in action before i made the call.

The idea potentially of perma protection though isnt too shabby in group settings.

Running protection all the time is going to be rough with an upkeep of 5. Also, remember that aside from Glint, the stances are not tied to the legends. So, you can use Devastation without taking Shiro (and there are traits in that line that would work well for that).

i was just thinking about this. in my mind it depends on the role you would like to fill. with the changes to vengeful hammers and soothing stone as well as the cast time reduction to rite of the great dwarf i easily see a very group friendly high damage set up would be S/J and for more buffs and cc oriented content S/G would be amazing because both elites provide some sort of boons and stuns/knock backs.

Anyone figure out what the highest dps spec is looking like? Would taking devestation/invocation/glint be best? With glint equipped we can take better advantage of the fury traits. I suppose if we do that we can sacrifice the fury heal trait and do condi cleanse on legend swap. Not ideal, but better than nothing I suppose. If we equip glint for fury, is it better to keep running runes of rage or drop them for scholar or something else?

I have a feeling I’ll be hopping between shiro/jalis and shiro/glint a lot though.

Best DPS spec will be, as I told you in another thread about traitline picks+weapons and gear/food and not legends, will shiro boost DPS? yeah because of quickness, but again Mesmer new meta will run Chronomancer and you’ll get quickness out of that, the builds won’t be interchangable between gamemodes IMO and in PvE you’ll have to swap weapons, traits and legends depending on the situation you’re in. Think of Guardian
Guardian build diversity: RHS+S/T, GS for PvE Dungeons/general content, Hammer AA Prot spam for Fractals and either AH Bunker or Medi for PvP WvW.
Revenant: Ventari/Jalis+Glint DIH traits for PvE, Jalis+Glint RIH for WvW/PvP, Malyx+Glint DCH or Shiro+Glint DIH or Shiro+Malyx DCI for PvP.

Jalis is terrible now.

Glint would be way better.

Kodiak.3281:

Jalis is terrible now.

Glint would be way better.

It all depends how Glint heal will perform in the end. Its quite situation but definitely rewarding when pulled in right time. What i worry about is that defiant stance sux so that one might as well.

But then i guess..we have hp siphons from vul and gm trait, second heal, now more evades and blocks..load of stab from dodge and protection/regen..and second heal skill (even if Shiro still sux, its still second heal)

I think Glint is the winner here, espesially if we can heal from condition damage ticking on us. And it is also insta cast..

skowcia.8257:

I think Glint is the winner here, espesially if we can heal from condition damage ticking on us. And it is also insta cast..

Wait Glint’s heal works WITH ticks from condition damage? if that’s true then we don’t need a workaround for condition damage while running Glint. Where did you get that?

I think he is just speculating. I highly doubt that’s the case though. Though obviously that would be much better for us if it did.

I have a feeling it will work with Condition damage, the tooltip says it works with ALL incoming damage, and doesn’t warriors defiant stance work with conditions? I know Guardians meditation heal, heals them based on outgoing condi damage, as i’ve fully healed myself with that ability from casting it at about 10% hp and throwing out a ton of burns.

On topic though, i personally don’t see a reason to run Shiro as a legend, the traits are nice, but the legend is just outshined in pve DPS by glint now Imo. I’ll probably be running Glint/Ventari (or Jalis) as I primarily do Dungeons and Fractals (and the future ‘challenging content’ whatever that may be.) So projectile destruction, party support via boon spam and 50% damage reduction in those clutch moments will be nice on top of all the damage modifying traits.

Currently, if it remains unchanged, the Revenant will be able to keep up permanent might and fury on the party, while still maintaining a positive energy regen, granted it’s only 1 regen instead of the 5, but it’s still regen.

If the revenant restricts himself to spamming auto attacks, he can keep up permanent protection as well, providing this is the only facet running.

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

On topic though, i personally don’t see a reason to run Shiro as a legend, the traits are nice, but the legend is just outshined in pve DPS by glint now Imo.

(Snip)

Currently, if it remains unchanged, the Revenant will be able to keep up permanent might and fury on the party, while still maintaining a positive energy regen, granted it’s only 1 regen instead of the 5, but it’s still regen.

Kind of glad I’m not the only one (though I don’t generally worry about what others think). I could see Shiro stance being great for pvp, but for PvE, outside of the quickness (which is a great thing mind you) I don’t see it adding much.

What do you think about gear setup with that plan? I’m thinking Valkyrie with Berserker trinkets. Lots of potential choices for runes.

Kidel.2057:

Given that facet of nature and traits are on both builds, which legend is batter to pair with shiro in your opinion?

3 game modes, not only pvp (where I prefer mallyx).

Discuss, shoro/jalis or shiro/glint

I’m thinking Shiro/Glint will have the edge on damage with the boon application, damage oriented facet actives, and traits like 2% damage bonus per boon. I think Shiro/Jalis will be a pretty sick Damage/Tank hybrid with Condi Cleanse, Rite of the Great Dwarf, and the buffs to Soothing Stone and Vengeful Hammers.

I’m gonna be giving Shiro/Glint a shot for pretty much everything ,but I think Shiro/Jalis might be pretty beast in PvP. You’ll have great 1v1 with Shiro and can then swap over to Jalis for larger fights where Vengeful Hammers might be pretty op depending on the icd on the heal plus condi cleanse, stability, and 50% damage reduction elite. It should be pretty strong for fighting on point.’

Now that I think about I’d say Glint/Jalis might be a good choice as well for PvP depending on if you are willing to give up IO and Jade Winds or not.

What about Shiro + Mallyx? Is Embrace the Darkness not a good skill? It gives us 10% more of every attribute.

Assuming you are buffed with 25 stacks of Might, that is +322 Power and +104 Ferocity, for around +18% damage, with a bonus +9% critical chance.

Im thinking of going something like this for WvW.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vlAQNAsXinXNuNSqJ7JRBlZlsfyrS4QZVJYrcsEFNFRd2ugtBS0A-TVDEwAwUhw++DPVKEVJDhHAwWlgSVGxSdFEnAgO6DAcEAecIAcpSgogyI-w
(Axe is placeholder for shield)

Legends: Shiro + Jalis

Traits: Devastation + Herald (new trait line) + Retribution (or Invocation, dont know which of the 2 will offer the better survability)
Herald Traits: Radiant Revival (if WvW/PvP), Bolster Fortifications, Soothing Bastion (Enhanced Bulwark is the Defiance Bar is easily broken)

Weapons: Sword/Shield + Hammer (or Staff, depends on what I am doing)

Also, Traveler Runes for roaming/gank, Hoelbrak or Strength for zerging

Kain Francois.4328:

What about Shiro + Mallyx? Is Embrace the Darkness not a good skill? It gives us 10% more of every attribute.

Assuming you are buffed with 25 stacks of Might, that is +322 Power and +104 Ferocity, for around +18% damage, with a bonus +9% critical chance.

It is very good. It’s just gonna be a close call between Glint and Mallyx as to which one is optimal and it might even be so close that either would work. As far as just damage goes I’m not sure which one comes out on top. Mallyx has the 10% increase to every attribute where as Glint has 100% Uptime on Fury which will easily put you at constant 100% chance to crit and 2 damage oriented utilities one that applies 20 stacks of vuln and another that does decent AoE damage. I think Glint is the best choice because even if Mallyx comes out a little ahead on damage Glint has way more Support and general Utility.

Draeyon.4392:

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I’ll be using rune of rage all day long with changes on invocation and glint.
Traveler is useless with perma swiftness upkeep

For PvE, Shiro + Glint seems like a good idea

For PvP/Solo WvW Shiro/Mallyx or Shiro/Glint works

Rygg.6237:

skowcia.8257:

I think Glint is the winner here, espesially if we can heal from condition damage ticking on us. And it is also insta cast..

Wait Glint’s heal works WITH ticks from condition damage? if that’s true then we don’t need a workaround for condition damage while running Glint. Where did you get that?

I think defiant stance works this way. Howered i cant check it out now cus gw freaks out. Cant even log in at all.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Defiant_Stance

While the stance is active, incoming retaliation, condition and direct damage will heal the warrior for the full amount otherwise dealt. If someone condibomb you just swap to Glint and get your hp to full.

If you’re not healed from conditions then the “prevent point capture” makes no sense compared to the same drawback from regular invulnerability.

If it’s like Defiant Stance then we may have a solution for conditions right there.

Since perma-fury with traits is like +30% damage, and you can get some 8 stacks of might permanently, staying in Glint legend seems the best when your going for damage only, should about break even with the personal damage from shiro (thinking PvE, since condi rev seemed the PvP choice in the betas). Means the other legend is a utility/defense choice – Shiro for mobility and stun or Jalis for healing, condi clear and stability.

With Glint you can even switch at need to provide perma-protection, at half the energy cost per second compared to Jalis’ rite.

Jalis rite however stacks with protection and it’s 50% alone, meaning that with Jalis+Glint you can achieve +80% damage reduction.

As others mentioned there is no reason to go for Shiro as a legend when talking about PvE. You could go Glint/Jalis or even Glint/Ventari. You’ll only need Shiros traitline + swords.

Of course, this is a different story for PvP or WvW. For WvW you’ll probably want Jalis for at least some Stability and non-weapon condition removal. For PvP I don’t see Stability as a general necessity for offensive builds. For condition removal I’m perfectly fine with sacrificing a ranged weapon for Staff since it also offers a gap closer, defense against ranged attacks and an area interrupt.

Have you tried Jade Winds in PvE? There is a lot or reason to use Shiro.
Not to mention Impossible Odds.

I honestly don’t expect glint to be that great for dungeons. I would use Shiro/Mallyx and sword + sword/axe.

Using Impossible Odds when on Shiro till you’re out of energy and then switching to Mallyx and use Embrace the Darkness. I’m not sure if just auto-attacking will still be your best option with all the sword buffs, but in the last BWE it was great.

Build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vlAQRAsc8nnvNeNS6JvJRVlHlsrykSYW5SJYssrkFNFht852tBW0INznSA-ThRBABXt/o8DP9D5dSAA4JAQp6PmpEkUARM0C-e

I will end up with glint and dwarf stance. Glint will be required in my opinion for the might to make the sword auto attack even on par with guardians sword auto attack. I wanted to use shiro to but having 2 heals that wont work as a quick heal wouldn’t work for me.

Misguided.5139:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

On topic though, i personally don’t see a reason to run Shiro as a legend, the traits are nice, but the legend is just outshined in pve DPS by glint now Imo.

(Snip)

Currently, if it remains unchanged, the Revenant will be able to keep up permanent might and fury on the party, while still maintaining a positive energy regen, granted it’s only 1 regen instead of the 5, but it’s still regen.

Kind of glad I’m not the only one (though I don’t generally worry about what others think). I could see Shiro stance being great for pvp, but for PvE, outside of the quickness (which is a great thing mind you) I don’t see it adding much.

What do you think about gear setup with that plan? I’m thinking Valkyrie with Berserker trinkets. Lots of potential choices for runes.

I was planning to go with Berserker Armor with Strength runes, alongside Valkyrie trinkets, as that’s what i already have.

Berserker weapons, sword/shield (or sword/sword) and Hammer/staff, depending on whether or not I’ll need ranged.

Kidel.2057:

Have you tried Jade Winds in PvE? There is a lot or reason to use Shiro.
Not to mention Impossible Odds.

Jade Winds is great but pretty irrelevant when we are talking about anything but smashing trash mobs. Impossible Odds is aswesome for personal DPS but does eat up all your energy plus doesn’t provide anything to your group. Meaning, you can do much better in group content when picking a different legend.

I guess if you’re talking about min-maxing personal damage without considering anything else you might want Shiro, yes. But then nobody should complain about the lack of condition removal in a Shiro/Glinth set up as well.

I think I’m going to test out the Shiro + Glint for PvE/Solo play and then for WvW try the Jalis + Glint. I want my Revenant to be a front runner so he’s gonna have to either kill fast or take a hit, just gotta watch that energy! It’s the weapons I’m torn on, love the hammer but thinking of doing a sword/axe for the solo play, those shield skills (especially #5) looked more like a death trap on demo but we’ll see when the next BWE comes out, I certainly will test it out but it’s not looking like I’ll be using the shield much. Too bad, I love the Flameseeker Prophecies legendary shield skin!

I’m not entirely sure why people are so stuck with “Shiro=PvE DPS”.

I mean, Destruction traitline is nice for that, as is MH Sword, but Legend itself? At the moment it has one utility that may be somewhat usable in PvE and that’s Impossible Odds. And you’ll maybe get couple seconds of Quickness with that here and there.

Shiro seems like more of PvP Legend.

Personally, I’d consider running Glint with Mallyx and Destruction/Glint and Invocation/Corruption.

Mallyx has hefty stat boost which you can keep for longer than Impossible Odds, Banish Enchantment always ready if mob has Retaliation/Protection, PA if group needs some condition removal and way stronger heal than Shiro.

Based on current content, I can definitely see Glint being the go-to Legend for group PvE. I don’t see Mallyx being better (maybe comparative in personal DPS), unless we have a lot more conditions coming with Challenging Group content. That 10% stat boosts takes about 5 seconds to actually work up to full energy before being relevant. So, it doesn’t have a huge uptime.

For solo’ing, Shiro-Glint will probably be one of the better combinations as the lower CD between daggers will help immensely with some burst healing…as well as the evades and impossible odds. Jalis will probably see more use when you need to be able to have your group sustain damage (as realistically…you can’t avoid it all) and Ventari will probably see use in the quirky encounters where only the tablet can block projectiles (like Tom in Uncat Fractal).

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

I was planning to go with Berserker Armor with Strength runes, alongside Valkyrie trinkets, as that’s what i already have.
Berserker weapons, sword/shield (or sword/sword) and Hammer/staff, depending on whether or not I’ll need ranged.

Makes sense. I was thinking the opposite because Valkyrie armor is much cheaper, but if you’ve already got it, no need to switch.

I’m thinking possible Hoelbrak runes for the condition duration reduction.

Fade.1743:

Ventari will probably see use in the quirky encounters where only the tablet can block projectiles (like Tom in Uncat Fractal).

What? Tablet can block that?

One of my guildies said it is treated as a pet with infinite HP, so you could put it in front of a projectile to absorb the attack.

Both Mallyx and Shiro have cons and pros in terms of being used for DPS builds in PvE. Mallyx’s condi manipulation is not useful in most dungeons where condi cleanse is already present, and boon stripping is useless on most bosses since they are reapplied by different sources almost instantly (like the Golem on CoE or the boss of HotW), and on trash mobs they already go down fast anyway, and Shiro’s quickness, although powerful, is pretty limiting in terms of energy use.

Embrace the Darkness is a powerful tool due to the stat boost, but it takes time to build up and I feel the utilities in Shiro (an extra dodge which also gives endurance combined with a quickness on demand skill) are more valuable in terms of DPS output and survival for most quick encounters and certain bosses. Furthermore, Jade Winds is actually a powerful CC tool since it works on enemies that are immune to Ice Bow freeze and is an AoE effect which helps in situations where you are pulling multiple dangerous mobs, so it’s natural Shiro is still considered important for a PvE Rev.

It will probably be a case by case basis for your legend usage, but it’s safe to say Herald will be essential to all current PvE Revs due to the boon duration increase on F2 synergizing so well with meta builds like Phalanx Warrior and Persisting Flames Elementalist, and even smaller, important buffs like Guardian’s Feel my Wrath, and also having a very important DPS trait in its GM. Now, if you are going to pick Glint or not is hard to say. I’m inclined to say Glint brings enough cool tools to be used as a secondary legend (it’s certainly the first legend that makes me reconsider just sitting on Shiro for open world PvE content), but the main DPS legend will depend on the encounters themselves, even if Shiro has an edge over Mallyx for short fights.

I love Shiro skills so I’ll be sticking with that as one of my legends for solo open world pve at least. Not sure what the challenging content will bring, but I’m thinking it’s like you say….you’ll change out legends on a case by case basis.

Why would you need Glint when the Ele’s will just blast fury and might anyway? Take the Glint tree for the increased boon duration and GM % modifier. That’s it really… if you need more condi cleanse or more whatever then just take what you need otherwise stay Shiro. The only real reason I can see why anybody would use Glint is for the protection, defiant strip, and opening with the dragon slash facet thing for vuln. If you really need fury then go ele.

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

Why would you need Glint when the Ele’s will just blast fury and might anyway? Take the Glint tree for the increased boon duration and GM % modifier. That’s it really… if you need more condi cleanse or more whatever then just take what you need otherwise stay Shiro. The only real reason I can see why anybody would use Glint is for the protection, defiant strip, and opening with the dragon slash facet thing for vuln. If you really need fury then go ele.

Glint’s is actually pretty useful in PvE due to boon on demand, not necessarily just Fury. I think it’s more of a case where Glint’s skills offer more to your party than Jalis/Mallyx do when you are not using Shiro for DPS, so it gives more room to support your team.

Zeroth.7046:

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

Why would you need Glint when the Ele’s will just blast fury and might anyway? Take the Glint tree for the increased boon duration and GM % modifier. That’s it really… if you need more condi cleanse or more whatever then just take what you need otherwise stay Shiro. The only real reason I can see why anybody would use Glint is for the protection, defiant strip, and opening with the dragon slash facet thing for vuln. If you really need fury then go ele.

Glint’s is actually pretty useful in PvE due to boon on demand, not necessarily just Fury. I think it’s more of a case where Glint’s skills offer more to your party than Jalis/Mallyx do when you are not using Shiro for DPS, so it gives more room to support your team.

I guess the swiftness is cool for out of combat. But almost every class besides mesmer has better party swiftness. Regen facet is pretty useless, might facet is pretty useless, protection facet is strong, just too bad it’s gonna drain too much energy. Unless pve all of a sudden needs aoe reveal I don’t really see a reason to use Glint unless it’s really niche stuff.

Kidel.2057:

Have you tried Jade Winds in PvE? There is a lot or reason to use Shiro.
Not to mention Impossible Odds.

^This. Who said there is no need to run Shiro in PvE? Rev AA just received a buff that’s only going to improve the damage of IO + AA. Even if you only switched to Shiro to pop on IO and AA while your weapon skills were on CD it would be more DPS then running Jalis.

Conner.5803:

I honestly don’t expect glint to be that great for dungeons. I would use Shiro/Mallyx and sword + sword/axe.

Using Impossible Odds when on Shiro till you’re out of energy and then switching to Mallyx and use Embrace the Darkness. I’m not sure if just auto-attacking will still be your best option with all the sword buffs, but in the last BWE it was great.

Build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vlAQRAsc8nnvNeNS6JvJRVlHlsrykSYW5SJYssrkFNFht852tBW0INznSA-ThRBABXt/o8DP9D5dSAA4JAQp6PmpEkUARM0C-e

Glint will be one of if not the best damage Legend we have. 100% uptime on Fury for only -2 Upkeep means 100% crit chance 100% of the time. That is a lot of damage. Not to mention the 2 Facet Actives of Elements (decent AoE damage) and Strength (AoE 20 vuln stacks) both on a 15 sec cd.

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

I guess the swiftness is cool for out of combat. But almost every class besides mesmer has better party swiftness. Regen facet is pretty useless, might facet is pretty useless, protection facet is strong, just too bad it’s gonna drain too much energy. Unless pve all of a sudden needs aoe reveal I don’t really see a reason to use Glint unless it’s really niche stuff.

In what way to other classes have “better” swiftness and how is might facet “useless”. I’m not sure if you understand how little upkeep those facets are ,but they are far from useless in fact our swiftness Upkeep is better then other classes you literally toggle it on for -1 upkeep and its always there no other action required. None of our other facets are useless other then maybe the Regen one the might one will really help keep people capped.

Kain Francois.4328:

What about Shiro + Mallyx? Is Embrace the Darkness not a good skill? It gives us 10% more of every attribute.

If you already have someone buffing you with might and fury Shiro + Mallyx is max DPS. Failing that, you run Shiro + Glint to self buff a ton.

Basically Shiro + Glint will give you the best offensive performance unless there’s a PS Warrior in your dungeon group, then run Shiro + Mallyx.

Griffith.7238:

^This. Who said there is no need to run Shiro in PvE? Rev AA just received a buff that’s only going to improve the damage of IO + AA. Even if you only switched to Shiro to pop on IO and AA while your weapon skills were on CD it would be more DPS then running Jalis.

What’s this ‘while your weapon skills are on cooldown’ crap? Nothing you can do can outperform auto-attacking with a sword and Impossible Odds up. You can use Unrelenting Assault against a single target while in your non-Shiro legend for some might stacks and modest DPS boost, but otherwise keep auto-attacking. Forget the other skills exist, they are for utility not damage.

Ensign.2189:

Kain Francois.4328:

What about Shiro + Mallyx? Is Embrace the Darkness not a good skill? It gives us 10% more of every attribute.

If you already have someone buffing you with might and fury Shiro + Mallyx is max DPS. Failing that, you run Shiro + Glint to self buff a ton.

Basically Shiro + Glint will give you the best offensive performance unless there’s a PS Warrior in your dungeon group, then run Shiro + Mallyx.

Griffith.7238:

^This. Who said there is no need to run Shiro in PvE? Rev AA just received a buff that’s only going to improve the damage of IO + AA. Even if you only switched to Shiro to pop on IO and AA while your weapon skills were on CD it would be more DPS then running Jalis.

What’s this ‘while your weapon skills are on cooldown’ crap? Nothing you can do can outperform auto-attacking with a sword and Impossible Odds up. You can use Unrelenting Assault against a single target while in your non-Shiro legend for some might stacks and modest DPS boost, but otherwise keep auto-attacking. Forget the other skills exist, they are for utility not damage.

So you are saying that using Frigid Blitz which crits anywhere from 5-8k is a DPS loss. K. Fridge Blitz and UA should both be used on cd for max DPS.

Griffith.7238:

Kidel.2057:

Have you tried Jade Winds in PvE? There is a lot or reason to use Shiro.
Not to mention Impossible Odds.

^This. Who said there is no need to run Shiro in PvE? Rev AA just received a buff that’s only going to improve the damage of IO + AA. Even if you only switched to Shiro to pop on IO and AA while your weapon skills were on CD it would be more DPS then running Jalis.

Well, I said.

There’s really no need for Shiro, unless you’re to run specific content where you need AoE stun. Basically, it’s just a quickness bot in my eyes when it comes go PvE. Costly quickness bot. If you have Guardian in your party or Chronomancer, Quickness shouldn’t be a big concern. Other Legends offer more for PvE.

Yes, Glint is nice for that might or fury. Unless you run with Ele and Phalanx Warrior. Then you can easily swap it.

Rym.1469:

Griffith.7238:

Kidel.2057:

Have you tried Jade Winds in PvE? There is a lot or reason to use Shiro.
Not to mention Impossible Odds.

^This. Who said there is no need to run Shiro in PvE? Rev AA just received a buff that’s only going to improve the damage of IO + AA. Even if you only switched to Shiro to pop on IO and AA while your weapon skills were on CD it would be more DPS then running Jalis.

Well, I said.

There’s really no need for Shiro, unless you’re to run specific content where you need AoE stun. Basically, it’s just a quickness bot in my eyes when it comes go PvE. Costly quickness bot. If you have Guardian in your party or Chronomancer, Quickness shouldn’t be a big concern. Other Legends offer more for PvE.

Yes, Glint is nice for that might or fury. Unless you run with Ele and Phalanx Warrior. Then you can easily swap it.

Quickness bot is strong. AA is your largest damage over the duration of fight while it may not hit the hardest you get to use it more. Other then Glint facets none of our utilities really do damage so there is nothing left to spend your energy on but IO or EtD when it comes to damage and neither Jalis or Mallyx offer group support (well not needed group support anyway) so what other Legend beside Mallyx would be relevant?

Griffith.7238:

So you are saying that using Frigid Blitz which crits anywhere from 5-8k is a DPS loss.

That is exactly what I am saying. There is nothing you can do that is superior to IO + auto-attack.

You can use Frigid Blitz for a very, very modest DPS improvement while in your non-Shiro stance, but while in Shiro stance using it is a substantial DPS loss over continuing to auto-attack.

I wouldn’t compare DPS numbers just yet. Remember that sword just got a pass with damage. The 3 skills could end up topping out the auto-attack, especially now that it grants evasion during its duration.

Ensign.2189:

Griffith.7238:

So you are saying that using Frigid Blitz which crits anywhere from 5-8k is a DPS loss.

That is exactly what I am saying. There is nothing you can do that is superior to IO + auto-attack.

You can use Frigid Blitz for a very, very modest DPS improvement while in your non-Shiro stance, but while in Shiro stance using it is a substantial DPS loss over continuing to auto-attack.

I mean its not a matter of what you think its just pure math even if all 3 AA hits crit you are looking at 5-6 damage over 4 sec where as Fridge Blitz is 5-8k damage in 1 sec.

Conner.5803:

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

I guess the swiftness is cool for out of combat. But almost every class besides mesmer has better party swiftness. Regen facet is pretty useless, might facet is pretty useless, protection facet is strong, just too bad it’s gonna drain too much energy. Unless pve all of a sudden needs aoe reveal I don’t really see a reason to use Glint unless it’s really niche stuff.

In what way to other classes have “better” swiftness and how is might facet “useless”. I’m not sure if you understand how little upkeep those facets are ,but they are far from useless in fact our swiftness Upkeep is better then other classes you literally toggle it on for -1 upkeep and its always there no other action required. None of our other facets are useless other then maybe the Regen one the might one will really help keep people capped.

It’s not about how easy it is to toggle it on and off, it’s about effectiveness. The range on the facets are only 600. Unless the group is running really close to each other the swiftness is not going to be beneficial on every 3 second tick. Warrior has 1,200 range swiftness, Engi has own perm swiftness, Ele can blast perm swiftness easy, etc. Plus you have to stay with the Glint utility set to maintain the facet. Which means no quickness from Shiro… which means you’re giving up DPS… If you’re solo and need the fury and might then yes stay Glint, but if you’re with a group Glint is pretty worthless. Glint utility needs a huge buff for both pve and pvp imo.