Guild Wars 2

Man my internet screwed up hard. Basically, this:

2 thieves in that composition, I’d love to know the build!

the build is shortbow offset to spam blast finishers in the warriors fire field. thats why they were there.

I think 25-30-0-0-15
Why are you so surpriesed? It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…
Edit: It could be something like this http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoYVlUmKOHcS3E95Ex2DfKUe6fAs6MoZLB-jQxAYrAm8KiGbxtIas6aMlLRUNA-e

Anubarak.3012:

I think 25-30-0-0-15
Why are you so surpriesed? It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…
Edit: It could be something like this http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoYVlUmKOHcS3E95Ex2jdKUe6fAs6MoZLB-jQxAYrAm8KiGbxtIas6aMlLRUNA-e

Actually the general thing that I hear is warriors out dps thieves and have more support utility, ergo the thief hate that I occasionally run into when trying to run fractals or some dungeons. So this did surprise me I’ll admit.

Thief and warrior damage is pretty close and highly debatable, but warriors are obviously way more survivable, thus a better choice when taking a pug.

These thieves were only taken because together they provided 25 might stacks for the whole team. Taking two warriors in their place was only less damage because warriors can’t spam unlimited blast finishers in pre-fight buffing opportunities.

Thieves outdps warriors but cannot give might stacks and fury like a warrior does. And a buffed warrior does more DPS than an unbuffed thief.

Does the Ranger they use give fury stacks himself? Because with 2 clusterbomb spammers, a single warrior fire field is probably enough to cap might stacks so all that’s missing is fury.

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

stof.9341:

Thieves outdps warriors but cannot give might stacks and fury like a warrior does. And a buffed warrior does more DPS than an unbuffed thief.

Does the Ranger they use give fury stacks himself? Because with 2 clusterbomb spammers, a single warrior fire field is probably enough to cap might stacks so all that’s missing is fury.

i think you said this wrong. warriors cannot buff stacks of might like a thief. and a buffed thief does more than an unbuffed warrior.

Raven.9603:

These thieves were only taken because together they provided 25 might stacks for the whole team. Taking two warriors in their place was only less damage because warriors can’t spam unlimited blast finishers in pre-fight buffing opportunities.

That’s wrong…. 3x FGJ = 9 stacks of Might, 2 Blast finisher from banners = 15 stacks of might… 1x signet of inspiration = 25 stacks might for the team

It makes me really sad to see so many thieves that have no idea how to play their thief v.v
You know your backstab can hit with 19k CnD with 10k autoattack with a total of 12k and at the end heartseeker with 23k dmg?

We are able to do 40k dmg every 5 seconds….

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Ok you are right… there are still people who are not able to max their dmg. I will correct my statement “Good players know that thieves and elementalists outdps warriors in organized groups”

It’s my understanding that fully buffed thieves have more dps than fully buffed warriors.
(Fully buffed being defined as having 25 might fury and 25 vuln on target)

Travlane.5948:

stof.9341:

Thieves outdps warriors but cannot give might stacks and fury like a warrior does. And a buffed warrior does more DPS than an unbuffed thief.

Does the Ranger they use give fury stacks himself? Because with 2 clusterbomb spammers, a single warrior fire field is probably enough to cap might stacks so all that’s missing is fury.

i think you said this wrong. warriors cannot buff stacks of might like a thief. and a buffed thief does more than an unbuffed warrior.

I said Might stacks AND Fury. Also, as was mentioned bellow, Warriors + Mesmer = 25 stacks of might anyway.

Thief can do that too but is missing Fury mostly. I suppose the ranger can do the trick with the Red Moa. I think it’s the pet with a big Fury uptime on the group.

Anubarak.3012:

Raven.9603:

These thieves were only taken because together they provided 25 might stacks for the whole team. Taking two warriors in their place was only less damage because warriors can’t spam unlimited blast finishers in pre-fight buffing opportunities.

That’s wrong…. 3x FGJ = 9 stacks of Might, 2 Blast finisher from banners = 15 stacks of might… 1x signet of inspiration = 25 stacks might for the team

It makes me really sad to see so many thieves that have no idea how to play their thief v.v

I know one of the thieves in the video and I know he was invited to blast might. They could’ve dropped the warrior for an elementalist, or they could’ve dropped both thieves for 2 more warriors. the point is, they were just buff bots who provide might, and like warriors are on the upper end of the damage spectrum. Just because people disagree with you, doesnt mean they “have no idea how to play their thief.”

stof.9341:

Thief can do that too but is missing Fury mostly. I suppose the ranger can do the trick with the Red Moa. I think it’s the pet with a big Fury uptime on the group.

thieves can provide group fury with 10 in trickery…

The ranger was brought for the spotter trait (150 precision), and frost spirit (+10% damage). And apperantly the sword auto attack did good damage as well.

Anubarak.3012:

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Ok you are right… there are still people who are not able to max their dmg. I will correct my statement “Good players know that thieves and elementalists outdps warriors in organized groups”

Ok, maybe I’m wrong, so where is math to prove your statement? I mean, you must of done the math and be able to post it to show everyone that you’re correct, or you would of never made such bold statements twice in the same thread right?

Raven.9603:

thieves can provide group fury with 10 in trickery…

Steal has kind of a long CD to be used like that unless they trait deeply into Trickery. Not sure it’s worth it :p

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Ok you are right… there are still people who are not able to max their dmg. I will correct my statement “Good players know that thieves and elementalists outdps warriors in organized groups”

Ok, maybe I’m wrong, so where is math to prove your statement? I mean, you must of done the math and be able to post it to show everyone that you’re correct, or you would of never made such bold statements twice in the same thread right?

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3A3Op-Hj3dOUkJRU0xvcng5ZWc/edit
download, fill in your traits, look at your dps

Anubarak.3012:

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Ok you are right… there are still people who are not able to max their dmg. I will correct my statement “Good players know that thieves and elementalists outdps warriors in organized groups”

Ok, maybe I’m wrong, so where is math to prove your statement? I mean, you must of done the math and be able to post it to show everyone that you’re correct, or you would of never made such bold statements twice in the same thread right?

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3A3Op-Hj3dOUkJRU0xvcng5ZWc/edit
download, fill in your traits, look at your dps

A spread sheet, that could be wrong, doesnt show its work, doesnt tell us rotations, doesnt show us which builds youre comparing, doesnt do… anything required to show which actually has higher DPS…

Why did you link this? It doesn’t ‘prove’ anything…

Cause I’m tired and don’t want to discuss with you ~.~ you won’t believe me anyway
You are just another ignorant person who won’t change his mind no matter what.
If you had been willing to learn something you would have opened the spreadsheet and looked at it more than 5 seconds. You can find the dps of any attack there with cast times and delays.

I just want to show thieves that we are worth in dungeons and CoF because warriors dmg isn’t that godly but since you only play WvW you can ignore this completely… Sit back and think further that warriors deal more dmg than thieves.
I’m out of this topic

Anubarak.3012:

Cause I’m tired and don’t want to discuss with you ~.~ you won’t believe me anyway
You are just another ignorant person who won’t change his mind no matter what.
If you had been willing to learn something you would have opened the spreadsheet and looked at it more than 5 seconds. You can find the dps of any attack there with cast times and delays.

I just want to show thieves that we are worth in dungeons and CoF because warriors dmg isn’t that godly but since you only play WvW you can ignore this completely… Sit back and think further that warriors deal more dmg than thieves.
I’m out of this topic

I wouldnt want to deal with me either. You know I’ll come at you and demand the math, and since you can’t provide it, you should stop making such baseless claims.

And as far as it goes, I dont know which actually has higher DPS if youre only counting fighting single targets, I never did the math, and I also dont know the absolute optimal builds for both classes to increase DPS as high as possible. I just find it hilarious when people make baseless claims like they know whats up, when they honestly have no clue, its fun calling them out on their BS.

Anubarak.3012:

You are just another ignorant person who won’t change his mind no matter what.

Specifically to this, I have no opinion on the matter. I have never done the math, I have never seen the math done, I dont know which is better. It’s very easy to change my mind with anything, all you have to do is prove youre right. In this case, provide me with tons of numbers and discussion about traits and gear, then I’ll take you seriously and listen to you. All you’re doing is poorly piggybacking off someone else’s spreadsheet that doesnt prove anything.

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

Cause I’m tired and don’t want to discuss with you ~.~ you won’t believe me anyway
You are just another ignorant person who won’t change his mind no matter what.
If you had been willing to learn something you would have opened the spreadsheet and looked at it more than 5 seconds. You can find the dps of any attack there with cast times and delays.

I just want to show thieves that we are worth in dungeons and CoF because warriors dmg isn’t that godly but since you only play WvW you can ignore this completely… Sit back and think further that warriors deal more dmg than thieves.
I’m out of this topic

I wouldnt want to deal with me either. You know I’ll come at you and demand the math, and since you can’t provide it, you should stop making such baseless claims.

And as far as it goes, I dont know which actually has higher DPS if youre only counting fighting single targets, I never did the math, and I also dont know the absolute optimal builds for both classes to increase DPS as high as possible. I just find it hilarious when people make baseless claims like they know whats up, when they honestly have no clue, its fun calling them out on their BS.

Anubarak.3012:

You are just another ignorant person who won’t change his mind no matter what.

Specifically to this, I have no opinion on the matter. I have never done the math, I have never seen the math done, I dont know which is better. It’s very easy to change my mind with anything, all you have to do is prove youre right. In this case, provide me with tons of numbers and discussion about traits and gear, then I’ll take you seriously and listen to you. All you’re doing is poorly piggybacking off someone else’s spreadsheet that doesnt prove anything.

Lets look at this the other way. Where is the math that proves warriors out dps thieves?

Also, can you prove that the spreadsheet is wrong?

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

I have never done the math, I have never seen the math done, I dont know which is better.

Lets look at this the other way. Where is the math that proves warriors out dps thieves?

Theres no math anywhere that I am aware of. I said this, you quoted me, then you ask where it is? You should learn some basic reading comprehension.

Archon.6481:

Also, can you prove that the spreadsheet is wrong?

Does it show its work so you can check what it is doing?
Serious question.

But hey, tell us the gear/rune/sigil/trait/buff/food/skill setups youre comparing, what your rotations are, and use the spreadsheet to tell us how much damage they would each do in a 20 second time frame (because thats 2 weapon swaps, so you get to use everything.) That way we can all know what does the most damage.

wish.1027:

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

I have never done the math, I have never seen the math done, I dont know which is better.

Lets look at this the other way. Where is the math that proves warriors out dps thieves?

Theres no math anywhere that I am aware of. I said this, you quoted me, then you ask where it is? You should learn some basic reading comprehension.

Archon.6481:

Also, can you prove that the spreadsheet is wrong?

Does it show its work so you can check what it is doing?
Serious question.

But hey, tell us the gear/rune/sigil/trait/buff/food/skill setups youre comparing, what your rotations are, and use the spreadsheet to tell us how much damage they would each do in a 20 second time frame (because thats 2 weapon swaps, so you get to use everything.) That way we can all know what does the most damage.

The math was actually done several times both in general forum and thief forum. Both times, d/d backstab rotation out dps warrior axe/mace + gs rotation by quite a bit assuming both have 25 might 25 vuln (I’ll link one later). Where warrior out dps is in solo cases where they have better and more frequent access to might and vuln. In coordinated groups, that means nothing as you will have 25 might + vuln every fight (as shown in the vid).

The reason why most people think war>all is simply because most people are terrible players and warrior is the easiest class to play while dealing heavy dps. Guard is right up there but they deal less dps than a warrior. That is why most noob groups will say lfg mes, 3x war, guard only. They want easy mode classes to win instead of achieving max efficiency through solid play.

Here, the math was done in this thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2063584

wish.1027:

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

I have never done the math, I have never seen the math done, I dont know which is better.

Lets look at this the other way. Where is the math that proves warriors out dps thieves?

Theres no math anywhere that I am aware of. I said this, you quoted me, then you ask where it is? You should learn some basic reading comprehension.

Archon.6481:

Also, can you prove that the spreadsheet is wrong?

Does it show its work so you can check what it is doing?
Serious question.

But hey, tell us the gear/rune/sigil/trait/buff/food/skill setups youre comparing, what your rotations are, and use the spreadsheet to tell us how much damage they would each do in a 20 second time frame (because thats 2 weapon swaps, so you get to use everything.) That way we can all know what does the most damage.

Sigh. I don’t feel like arguing with people like you.

Your vey first post indicates that you think warriors out dps thieves since you laughed when someone claimed the opposite. Now pick your side and stick to your guns.

randomfightfan.4091:

Here, the math was done in this thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2063584

It actually wasnt done in that thread, I looked. Can you link another?

It did have a good post about why math is best, player error while playing.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post1933414
Look at their excuses for not having better times.
#3, Slave Driver
Strife’s video, 1:23-1:32 = 9 seconds [Strife’s excuse: Didn’t hit 25 might, lost a second or two]
Our’s, 1:33-1:41=8 seconds [Our excuse: boss got pulled causing us to lose a second or two]

The only math I saw was… bad, not very accurate, and also about Ele.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2055108
This post quotes it and rips it apart.

Archon.6481:

Sigh. I don’t feel like arguing with people like you.

Your vey first post indicates that you think warriors out dps thieves since you laughed when someone claimed the opposite. Now pick your side and stick to your guns.

I did pick my side.
I’m with Math

wish.1027:

randomfightfan.4091:

Here, the math was done in this thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2063584

It actually wasnt done in that thread, I looked. Can you link another?

It did have a good post about why math is best, player error while playing.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post1933414
Look at their excuses for not having better times.
#3, Slave Driver
Strife’s video, 1:23-1:32 = 9 seconds [Strife’s excuse: Didn’t hit 25 might, lost a second or two]
Our’s, 1:33-1:41=8 seconds [Our excuse: boss got pulled causing us to lose a second or two]

The only math I saw was… bad, not very accurate, and also about Ele.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2055108
This post quotes it and rips it apart.

Archon.6481:

Sigh. I don’t feel like arguing with people like you.

Your vey first post indicates that you think warriors out dps thieves since you laughed when someone claimed the opposite. Now pick your side and stick to your guns.

I did pick my side.
I’m with Math

Obiosuly not since your post history clearly indictes a bias for warriors.

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

I did pick my side.
I’m with Math

Obiosuly not since your post history clearly indictes a bias for warriors.

Im sure it does, since I think Warrior will probably win. The difference here is that I dont go out and throw my opinion around like its fact when I dont really know.

wish.1027:

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

I did pick my side.
I’m with Math

Obiosuly not since your post history clearly indictes a bias for warriors.

Im sure it does, since I think Warrior will probably win. The difference here is that I dont go out and throw my opinion around like its fact when I dont really know.

But you did just that in your first post…

You know what? I’m done. You just keep using semantics to make yourself appear to sound in the right and I’m tired of listening to it.

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

I did pick my side.
I’m with Math

Obiosuly not since your post history clearly indictes a bias for warriors.

Im sure it does, since I think Warrior will probably win. The difference here is that I dont go out and throw my opinion around like its fact when I dont really know.

But you did just that in your first post…

You know what? I’m done. You just keep using semantics to make yourself appear to sound in the right and I’m tired of listening to it.

My first post? You mean this one:

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Where I laugh at this guy stating so plainly that everyone knows Thief wins, when clearly its a huge controversy and no one knows? Ya, that clearly shows me stating for a fact Warrior wins…

EDIT:
Let me help you out here.
This is what it looks like when I state things as facts:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Celestial-Armor/first#post2424729
Notice all the math I do to prove how inferior Celestial armor is to mixing and matching other things? If you dont see me doing that, then Im not making claims, just laughing at other peoples incompetence, inability to do math, and lack of understanding why it’s important.

wish.1027:

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

I did pick my side.
I’m with Math

Obiosuly not since your post history clearly indictes a bias for warriors.

Im sure it does, since I think Warrior will probably win. The difference here is that I dont go out and throw my opinion around like its fact when I dont really know.

But you did just that in your first post…

You know what? I’m done. You just keep using semantics to make yourself appear to sound in the right and I’m tired of listening to it.

My first post? You mean this one:

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Where I laugh at this guy stating so plainly that everyone knows Thief wins, when clearly its a huge controversy and no one knows? Ya, that clearly shows me stating for a fact Warrior wins…

EDIT:
Let me help you out here.
This is what it looks like when I state things as facts:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Celestial-Armor/first#post2424729
Notice all the math I do to prove how inferior Celestial armor is to mixing and matching other things? If you dont see me doing that, then Im not making claims, just laughing at other peoples incompetence, inability to do math, and lack of understanding why it’s important.

95% of the time someone says what you said in your first post, it means that you think they’re wrong and its the other way around. In sorry if that’s not what you meant, but please say something else next time so it doesn’t appear that way.

wish.1027:

randomfightfan.4091:

Here, the math was done in this thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2063584

It actually wasnt done in that thread, I looked. Can you link another?

It did have a good post about why math is best, player error while playing.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post1933414
Look at their excuses for not having better times.
#3, Slave Driver
Strife’s video, 1:23-1:32 = 9 seconds [Strife’s excuse: Didn’t hit 25 might, lost a second or two]
Our’s, 1:33-1:41=8 seconds [Our excuse: boss got pulled causing us to lose a second or two]

The only math I saw was… bad, not very accurate, and also about Ele.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2055108
This post quotes it and rips it apart.

Archon.6481:

Sigh. I don’t feel like arguing with people like you.

Your vey first post indicates that you think warriors out dps thieves since you laughed when someone claimed the opposite. Now pick your side and stick to your guns.

I did pick my side.
I’m with Math

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Build-The-REAL-maximum-DPS-thief/first#post1901058

Thief dps

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Build-The-REAL-maximum-DPS-warrior/first#post1886080

Warrior dps

2 people who do a lot of math are phira and scootabuser. It’s now 12:30 and I need to be awake at 5:30. fml. I just wish the search function in this forum actually worked but it doesn’t even come close to working. Took me about an hour of filtering through 3 forums, page by page, until I found the post I remembered reading a few months ago.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Scootabuser-4915/showposts

That’s scooter’s posts page

I was just going to link this one

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-damage-compared-to-warrior/page/2#post2334499

But for whatever reason the posts weren’t showing for me so I had to go to the older post where it calculates thief dps with the old 4s revealed (where we still out dps warriors).

Silver.4798:

Man my internet screwed up hard. Basically, this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQ-39_C8LI

2 thieves in that composition, I’d love to know the build!

they are OP, wtf is this ?
how the nerf team missed such things !!!

C’mon now wish, you’re making all the thief baddies have to think instead of pressing ‘2’ to win. That’s not nice! :p

randomfightfan.4091:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Build-The-REAL-maximum-DPS-thief/first#post1901058

Thief dps

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Build-The-REAL-maximum-DPS-warrior/first#post1886080

Warrior dps

More reliance on a spreadsheet instead of typing out numbers and showing their work. Also, Ruby orbs? …..This isnt comparing top DPS builds. I dont even see eviscerate in the guys rotation for Warrior.

Can you tell me where this spreadsheet comes from, and where the information it contains comes from?

randomfightfan.4091:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-damage-compared-to-warrior/page/2#post2334499

But for whatever reason the posts weren’t showing for me

That link doesnt show me anything either.

wish.1027:

I dont even see eviscerate in the guys rotation for Warrior.

Why should you use eviscerate as a warrior in a rotation?

You guys arguing numbers are kinda funny. So here’s a crappy pic of mine! This was a couple runs before the video.. but I think 30k+ is only possible in here with the frost spirit not that anyone cares or was wondering, yet.

>25/30/0/0/15<
Pewpewpew~

Why bothering going 15 into trickery? for 1 might fury and swiftness for 10 secs? XD thats nothing :P, consider going into shadowarts for infusions of shadows and finish deadly arts?

^ Hey Tower it’s for the Flanking Strikes, it’s easier to keep up first strikes as well.

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

Cause I’m tired and don’t want to discuss with you ~.~ you won’t believe me anyway
You are just another ignorant person who won’t change his mind no matter what.
If you had been willing to learn something you would have opened the spreadsheet and looked at it more than 5 seconds. You can find the dps of any attack there with cast times and delays.

I just want to show thieves that we are worth in dungeons and CoF because warriors dmg isn’t that godly but since you only play WvW you can ignore this completely… Sit back and think further that warriors deal more dmg than thieves.
I’m out of this topic

I wouldnt want to deal with me either. You know I’ll come at you and demand the math, and since you can’t provide it, you should stop making such baseless claims.

And as far as it goes, I dont know which actually has higher DPS if youre only counting fighting single targets, I never did the math, and I also dont know the absolute optimal builds for both classes to increase DPS as high as possible. I just find it hilarious when people make baseless claims like they know whats up, when they honestly have no clue, its fun calling them out on their BS.

Anubarak.3012:

You are just another ignorant person who won’t change his mind no matter what.

Specifically to this, I have no opinion on the matter. I have never done the math, I have never seen the math done, I dont know which is better. It’s very easy to change my mind with anything, all you have to do is prove youre right. In this case, provide me with tons of numbers and discussion about traits and gear, then I’ll take you seriously and listen to you. All you’re doing is poorly piggybacking off someone else’s spreadsheet that doesnt prove anything.

… the math is embedded in the spreadsheet.

You do know how spreadsheets work I hope? Figure it out for yourself and stop being such a baby.

wolfpaq.7354:

… the math is embedded in the spreadsheet.

You do know how spreadsheets work I hope? Figure it out for yourself and stop being such a baby.

You type in stuff and it gives you answers, beyond that I dont know how spreadsheets work. Relying on someone elses spreadsheet and not showing your work is pretty lame, and leads to errors in information.

wish.1027:

More reliance on a spreadsheet instead of typing out numbers and showing their work. Also, Ruby orbs? …..This isnt comparing top DPS builds. I dont even see eviscerate in the guys rotation for Warrior.

Not to single you out or anything dude but you’re really picking on technicalities. So as long as you’re criticizing people on basis of nit picky technicalities, you need to be more specific.

What you mean by “Top warrior DPS builds?” Because in a 30/25/0/0/15 build that I run on my warrior alt, you never use eviscerate unless the enemy is almost dead, or you desperately need to refill endurance. The damage output from Berserker’s power (15% damage increase when you have 3 strikes of adrenaline) is better than spamming eviscerate in this specific GS/axe+mace build — which is one of the standard high output DPS build for warriors as far as I know. It would never use eviscerate unless, as I said above, it is a very specific situation. General rotation for that goes: HB, WW, swap, axe 2, mace 4, axe autoattack chain, swap, HB, ww, etc.

Alternatively if you were using something like axe+axe/Axe+mace, run the furious trait, and ran a 30/30/0/0/10 build instead, or a 25/30/0/0/15, then yea eviscerate is worth it since your adrenaline fills almost instantly.
EDIT: I’m not familiar with the 30/0/0/10/30 axe focused build but even there I believe it’s more beneficial to autoattack over eviscerate

Also in terms of “siding with math” as long as both classes are using the same thing it wouldn’t matter if the damage calculation is based on ruby orbs rather than superior runes of the scholar (which is considered to have the higher damage output by like 2-3% if you manage to keep your health consistently over 90%). If the value of Y is greater than the value of Z, then the value of X+Y will also be greater than X+Z regardless of what the value of X is.

Does Excel wars 2 have better loot or something? I might be playing the wrong game :O