Guild Wars 2

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

The title is yelling out :“Moving on…”. I LOLed at Backstab spam.

I agree (not)

What will you do to compensate the Thief?

Or is it just another QQ post?

2/10, topic is old and you’re not even trying. Tips: include more rage, don’t forget to complain about stealth in tpvp, and add a story about how you were about to win a 1v1 against that nasty dolyak when a thief entered the fight, wich is unfair as www is about 1v1.

Spam your 3k autoattacks with 1500 range harder and get another bear…

Stop shooting your arrows into your own knee….

And do not worry the balance team will nerf thieves again and again…

Fun fact: if it had a 20s cd, you would still die to them, because you’re bad.
What would you ask to be nerfed then?

“-fixed a bug preventing the internal cooldown of thief auto attack to trigger.”

1/10 20 second cooldown is pretty bullkitten

First problem: thinking backstab has no cooldown (multiple variables, anywhere between 3 and X seconds)

Second problem: running pvt ranger :/

Third problem: expecting sympathy from a profession that is falling off the face of the earth because of unnecessary nerfs and growing bug lists.

hihey.1075:

Fun fact: if it had a 20s cd, you would still die to them, because you’re bad.
What would you ask to be nerfed then?

Is that really a question? 20s CD on auto-attacks… duh

1 more for the nerf wish list! Thanks you OP, I was getting worried that people gave up trying to nerf this profession into oblivion.

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

This ability needs a longer cooldown: Rapid Fire. It’s ridiculous and downright broken how a ranger presses 1 button and does 7-9K rapid fires even after I immediately stealth when I see him start it.

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Thief, and am still falling victim to rapid fire spam. This ability simply needs a 20X longer cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to all pet F2s like the carrion spider and the juvenile wolf, as well as Greatsword #2. Also, I think pets should have their damage nerfed to 1/20th of its current state. It’s too overpowered.

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs

you just said you’re a ranger too, how do you think the thieves feel about you dealing just as much damage as backstab but from 1500 distance every 8 seconds…

also i’m not sure if you’re in Spvp or not, but for a thief to hit 9k they’d need to spec specifically for backstab (read squishy) and pop cooldowns (read signets), be in melee range(read very likely to die), behind the target and in stealth.

for a ranger to deal 9k they only need a zerker/assassin amulet, a half decent spec and to click #2 from afar.

tl;dr backstab is fine.

I once sneaked on a Ranger and I said “Boo!” next to his ear.

He QQ’d and said that sneak attack is OP that the Thief should not have the power to cause a heart attack.

ArenaNet
- fixed a bug that allowed the Thief to type in chat while in stealth.

BS needs to be landed, I guess you are one of those rangers that sits on thei butts spitting arrows

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

To be perfectly honest, the only time the stealth attacks are a problem is when you’re fighting a D/P thief (stealth accessibility is too kitten high on that set with no counters)…if you’re not fighting a thief using that set, it’s usually a L2P problem.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

To be perfectly honest, the only time the stealth attacks are a problem is when you’re fighting a D/P thief (stealth accessibility is too kitten high on that set with no counters)…if you’re not fighting a thief using that set, it’s usually a L2P problem.

There is nothing wrong with D/P in any shape or form. If you are still having problems vs D/P thieves its a simple l2p issue.

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

Great. Someone else whining about how we need yet ANOTHER nerf. As if we weren’t struggling to keep up with other burst classes already…

I also find it ironic that a ranger is the one complaining, given the recent buff your class received. I don’t see how someone who can crack off 7-9k damage at 1500 range even after we activate stealth has any right to be criticizing anyone, especially thieves (As we simultaneously received a major stealth nerf when Anet implemented that “brilliant” idea). Backstab doesn’t need a cooldown. The revealed status prevents us from using it with reckless abandon and while it isn’t that long of a wait, we are one of the squishiest classes in the game and backstab requires that we be in melee distance. Hurting us shouldn’t be that difficult.

Just leave us alone already. The last thing we need is Anet taking another swing at us with the infamous nerf bat.

Starsurfer.7209:

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Just leave us alone already. The last thing we need is Anet taking another swing at us with the infamous nerf bat.

Oh boy… I hope you’re not starting to think we’re safe and getting comfy…

I’m waiting to see how hard it will hit next time.

There’s already a great solution for you OP. It’s called “Sick’em”, which gives you the ability to give cooldown to a thief and keep him visible at the same time, isn’t it great?

Seriously, stop whining and get better.
I’m getting pwned by Thiefs too, and what? I’m glassy, they are counter to glassy builds, I accept that as a disadvantage of my build, the price for the damage I can deal.
If you are wearing PVT and still getting your a** kicked, it’s time to L2P, sorry.

I hope not but I wonder if the OP is the same guy… I killed a tanky ranger yesterday and got a group invite to be confronted with a massive discourse about how stupidly OP backstab was.

I killed him with a condi burst though – just happened to have D/D out at the time.

To OP,
Backstab actually does have a cooldown, if you include reveal timer which is set to 4seconds in PvP, and 3 seconds if in WvW, but you’ve also got to include the amount of time that is needed to getting into stealth for the backstab, which could take up to another 1+ seconds so……

lol.. if you look at the OP’s other posts.. it’s all related to complaining. Also mostly dealing with EotM.. so yeah….

Faeyd.5094:

I hope not but I wonder if the OP is the same guy… I killed a tanky ranger yesterday and got a group invite to be confronted with a massive discourse about how stupidly OP backstab was.

I killed him with a condi burst though – just happened to have D/D out at the time.

Doesn’t really matter what wep set/build you use, I got accused of spamming backstab with P/P & SB.

Zero Day.2594:

Starsurfer.7209:

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Just leave us alone already. The last thing we need is Anet taking another swing at us with the infamous nerf bat.

Oh boy… I hope you’re not starting to think we’re safe and getting comfy…

I’m waiting to see how hard it will hit next time.

Lmao! You know it’s really sad that I’m actually not. Even as I repeatedly defend our class here on the forum, praying that Anet might see our cries and come to their senses, I’m already bracing myself for the the day when they remove backstab from the game and give venoms a two second cooldown reduction in exchange. XD

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RyuDragnier.9476:

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

To be perfectly honest, the only time the stealth attacks are a problem is when you’re fighting a D/P thief (stealth accessibility is too kitten high on that set with no counters)…if you’re not fighting a thief using that set, it’s usually a L2P problem.

There is nothing wrong with D/P in any shape or form. If you are still having problems vs D/P thieves its a simple l2p issue.

Not moreso than you dealing with LB Rangers with RF (at least 5 different types of counters for that skill which deal with it). And I thought you said you don’t play thief too much?

A ranger complaining about thieves?
0/10 try harder

Rentapest.6503

"Necro’s should not be able to fear entire groups of players off a cliff into oblivion. It’s rediculous.

Why is nothing done about this? Either ban these players or nerf the ability. Simple."

I know its op comment from a previous thread but..... Also sad part is majority of players of are probably at same skill level as the op.

… Lol. People always assume that Thief is easy to play. Yes, the condition builds are easy to play. They are extremely forgiving. But there are plenty of builds available to all professions that are cheesy and easy to play. The condition builds available to Thief don’t use backstab. Backstab is a power build attack and power builds with Thieves are very un forgiving and require very active positioning.

I’m newer to Thief and I come from maining a Ranger for over a year. Thieves are lolz to fight when you learn how to deal with them. If they kill you after you’ve learned how to deal with them, you got outplayed. Deal with the fact that you can’t win against everyone and you’ll have a much better time. Thieves don’t need any more nerfs, they’re fine.

Also: Greatsword skill #4 Counterattack = block, Signet Of Stone = Invulnerability, “Protect Me!” Invulnerability, Juvenile Pig F2 command “Drink” become invulnerable. Rangers have plenty of invulns to deal with this kind of thing you just need to practice using them. The worst part is, all of what I’ve listed here can be used in the same build.

Yeah, backstab is the easiest skill to spam in the game.

First, you got to get into stealth, which eats around 50% of an thief initiative, if you are lucky. Second you got only 3 secs of stealth to position behind the target(so you get the full burst). Now, it wouldn’t be as bad, but most professions have access to speed boons, aegis, aoe stuns, cripples and many other ways which turns this into a really hard task. Third, even if you get lucky to land a BS, it it will not make a decent amount of damage if you aren’t running full zerker and have decent critical chance. Since going full zerker build is insanity, you get a crappy 2k backstab, which most opposing builds suck up like nothing’s happened. Fouth, of course, if you could land it, you got revealed debuff which prevents you from getting back on stealth again for at least 3 secs.

Yup… backstap is so spammable it makes me want to cry.

The problem is that if you attached a cooldown to it, then why do thieves have initiative?

The entire point of initiative was to give thieves a different resource system than other classes (cooldowns). If you just then add the cooldowns back in, that idea gets thrown out of the window.

Xae Isareth.1364:

The problem is that if you attached a cooldown to it, then why do thieves have initiative?

The entire point of initiative was to give thieves a different resource system than other classes (cooldowns). If you just then add the cooldowns back in, that idea gets thrown out of the window.

Let me make a logical interpretation of what he wants without actually reading it in his words…he basically wants backstab to be a utility skill that takes up a slot.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Xae Isareth.1364:

The problem is that if you attached a cooldown to it, then why do thieves have initiative?

The entire point of initiative was to give thieves a different resource system than other classes (cooldowns). If you just then add the cooldowns back in, that idea gets thrown out of the window.

Let me make a logical interpretation of what he wants without actually reading it in his words…he basically wants backstab to be a utility skill that takes up a slot.

Let me break it down even further.
He wants the game to be easier for himself.

see this is one of few problems i see within this forum.
Why does a troll post or complete QQ nonproductive threads like these even get entertained? It’s honestly not helping and it’s just feeding the flames even more when what needs to happen instead is to simply not give this any attention and let it die out.

This thread is coming from a self proclaimed ranger that can potentially deal 13k damage in one button from a safe range and can do this every 10 seconds and then you read the dumbfounded ideas he’s proposing of having a skill that deals “7-8k dmg” have a 20 sec cd…
C’mon guys you’re better than this

YES! Backstab should have a cool down of 20 seconds as well as have it’s damaged reduced in half. Likewise, rapid fire should be able to target 3 enemies, and explode when each arrow hits, with 100% crit chance. Oh, and every arrow shot should cause daze. This would definitely put thief and ranger on an equal level.
In reality, revealed should be 1 second shorter and death blossom should be changed.

oscuro.9720:

YES! Backstab should have a cool down of 20 seconds as well as have it’s damaged reduced in half. Likewise, rapid fire should be able to target 3 enemies, and explode when each arrow hits, with 100% crit chance. Oh, and every arrow shot should cause daze. This would definitely put thief and ranger on an equal level.
In reality, revealed should be 1 second shorter and death blossom should be changed.

We need more than that. Barrage should have 20000 range and radius so you can sit on a tower and nuke the whole map.

That would finally balance rangers.

I think backstab needs to have a built in function to automatically Alt+F4 the player when using it, that way the enemy always wins and no QQ.

1.There’s a status called “revealed”
2.You can’t “spam” backstab as there’s this “revealed” and limits on initiative
3.You’re using ranger to do 1v1
4.You’re a bad player
5.Your team is a bad team

RyuDragnier.9476:

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RyuDragnier.9476:

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

To be perfectly honest, the only time the stealth attacks are a problem is when you’re fighting a D/P thief (stealth accessibility is too kitten high on that set with no counters)…if you’re not fighting a thief using that set, it’s usually a L2P problem.

There is nothing wrong with D/P in any shape or form. If you are still having problems vs D/P thieves its a simple l2p issue.

Not moreso than you dealing with LB Rangers with RF (at least 5 different types of counters for that skill which deal with it). And I thought you said you don’t play thief too much?

I said nothing about rangers. Why you bring up RF?

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RyuDragnier.9476:

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RyuDragnier.9476:

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

To be perfectly honest, the only time the stealth attacks are a problem is when you’re fighting a D/P thief (stealth accessibility is too kitten high on that set with no counters)…if you’re not fighting a thief using that set, it’s usually a L2P problem.

There is nothing wrong with D/P in any shape or form. If you are still having problems vs D/P thieves its a simple l2p issue.

Not moreso than you dealing with LB Rangers with RF (at least 5 different types of counters for that skill which deal with it). And I thought you said you don’t play thief too much?

I said nothing about rangers. Why you bring up RF?

Because you said RF was OP in another thread…because it was, “too much too fast”. Backstab is just as fast, as is the going into stealth with D/P, yet you’re saying those are fine.

RyuDragnier.9476:

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RyuDragnier.9476:

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RyuDragnier.9476:

Rentapest.6503:

This ability needs a cooldown on it. I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous!

I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam. This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so.

This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.

To be perfectly honest, the only time the stealth attacks are a problem is when you’re fighting a D/P thief (stealth accessibility is too kitten high on that set with no counters)…if you’re not fighting a thief using that set, it’s usually a L2P problem.

There is nothing wrong with D/P in any shape or form. If you are still having problems vs D/P thieves its a simple l2p issue.

Not moreso than you dealing with LB Rangers with RF (at least 5 different types of counters for that skill which deal with it). And I thought you said you don’t play thief too much?

I said nothing about rangers. Why you bring up RF?

Because you said RF was OP in another thread…because it was, “too much too fast”. Backstab is just as fast, as is the going into stealth with D/P, yet you’re saying those are fine.

We’re all failing to see how that is relevant in this discussion

Sagat.3285:

The title is yelling out :“Moving on…”. I LOLed at Backstab spam.

I’ll give you the solution: Roll backwards. Profit.

If you’re getting hit by thieves all the time for 9k, then change your armor and traits. You’re running full glass bruh.

Original poster hasn’t responded.

There’s something called “revealed” which makes you not be able to enter stealth for a few seconds. It’s also so hilarious how you have a 6billion damaging skill on like an 7sec cooldown.

Black Frog.9274:

Original poster hasn’t responded.

They too busy sniping Sa based thieves. Try again later in 2015 when next balance patch takes place.