Deadeye is so boring to play.

Deadeye is so boring to play.

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Posted by: Ramoth.9064

Ramoth.9064

And really, why not, rifle is a boring weapon, in all classes that use it.

I made a poison stacking build, kneeled and spammed 2. A couple seconds later some 20 stacks of poison. The problem, as always, is initiative.

The devs may have envisaged it as a way for players to freely decide between what skills to use without managing cooldowns but for the rifle there are very obvious choices to spam because the weapon is so linear in its playstyle

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Posted by: Warrost.4895

Warrost.4895

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

Deadeye is so boring to play.

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Posted by: babazhook.6805

babazhook.6805

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

Deadeye is so boring to play.

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Posted by: Warrost.4895

Warrost.4895

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

Deadeye is so boring to play.

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Posted by: babazhook.6805

babazhook.6805

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

This a learn to play issue. I play p/p as well and manage to get around all of those blocks and reflcts without spending 0 ini on an attack.

Blocks by the way work just as well against DrD . The DRD spec does not make any attacks unblockable and there little in any weaponset that is unblockable.

As to the ability to close range , this is the same with ALL classes using ranged attacks. It not specific to Rifle users. If those other can deal with it so can a DE who starts with greater range and has stealth access.

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Posted by: Ramoth.9064

Ramoth.9064

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

That’s the problem, the class is so all-or-nothing, it feels completely unrewarding. Either I completely tear you down with that utility cantrip that knocks down, spamming kneeled 2, or you have defenses up blocking/reflecting.

When you play thief D/P, its much more dynamic, you go in, do some damage, you get out, then you go back in. You can be very dynamic with the deadeye, i’ve vsed some players who are, teleporting about, but they are just not efficient, and they usually end up getting killed.

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Posted by: Asur.9178

Asur.9178

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

This a learn to play issue. I play p/p as well and manage to get around all of those blocks and reflcts without spending 0 ini on an attack.

Blocks by the way work just as well against DrD . The DRD spec does not make any attacks unblockable and there little in any weaponset that is unblockable.

1: The people you quoted are specifically talking about rifle.

2: Shadow Shot says hi.

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Posted by: Wargameur.6950

Wargameur.6950

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

This a learn to play issue. I play p/p as well and manage to get around all of those blocks and reflcts without spending 0 ini on an attack.

Blocks by the way work just as well against DrD . The DRD spec does not make any attacks unblockable and there little in any weaponset that is unblockable.

1: The people you quoted are specifically talking about rifle.

2: Shadow Shot says hi.

the unblockable part from shadow shot does 0 damages…..

Edit: my bad, seems we learn new things every days

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Posted by: babazhook.6805

babazhook.6805

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

That’s the problem, the class is so all-or-nothing, it feels completely unrewarding. Either I completely tear you down with that utility cantrip that knocks down, spamming kneeled 2, or you have defenses up blocking/reflecting.

When you play thief D/P, its much more dynamic, you go in, do some damage, you get out, then you go back in. You can be very dynamic with the deadeye, i’ve vsed some players who are, teleporting about, but they are just not efficient, and they usually end up getting killed.

You have to unlearn DrD and relearn how to play without those extra dodges. If you get down to the basics when it comes to the ability to survive longer it pretty well all about the extra dodges and to a lesser extent Bandits defense.

It is a rethink as to how you fight. If they just made it like DrD with the same amount of dodges and evades , it hardly becomes a new spec.

That said keep in mind that DE is NOT rifle anymore then DrD is staff. You can use D/P specced to DE. You can still use Rifle at extreme range and when an enemy does close change to your preferred melee set.

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Posted by: Warrost.4895

Warrost.4895

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

This a learn to play issue. I play p/p as well and manage to get around all of those blocks and reflcts without spending 0 ini on an attack.

Blocks by the way work just as well against DrD . The DRD spec does not make any attacks unblockable and there little in any weaponset that is unblockable.

1: The people you quoted are specifically talking about rifle.

2: Shadow Shot says hi.

the unblockable part from shadow shot does 0 damages…..

The shot itself deals like 25% of the total damage

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Posted by: Warrost.4895

Warrost.4895

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

That’s the problem, the class is so all-or-nothing, it feels completely unrewarding. Either I completely tear you down with that utility cantrip that knocks down, spamming kneeled 2, or you have defenses up blocking/reflecting.

When you play thief D/P, its much more dynamic, you go in, do some damage, you get out, then you go back in. You can be very dynamic with the deadeye, i’ve vsed some players who are, teleporting about, but they are just not efficient, and they usually end up getting killed.

You have to unlearn DrD and relearn how to play without those extra dodges. If you get down to the basics when it comes to the ability to survive longer it pretty well all about the extra dodges and to a lesser extent Bandits defense.

It is a rethink as to how you fight. If they just made it like DrD with the same amount of dodges and evades , it hardly becomes a new spec.

That said keep in mind that DE is NOT rifle anymore then DrD is staff. You can use D/P specced to DE. You can still use Rifle at extreme range and when an enemy does close change to your preferred melee set.

Which doesn’t help the fact, that omnipresent blocks/reflects/deflects literally counter your whole weaponset and you have no possibility to play against this.

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Posted by: babazhook.6805

babazhook.6805

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

This a learn to play issue. I play p/p as well and manage to get around all of those blocks and reflcts without spending 0 ini on an attack.

Blocks by the way work just as well against DrD . The DRD spec does not make any attacks unblockable and there little in any weaponset that is unblockable.

1: The people you quoted are specifically talking about rifle.

2: Shadow Shot says hi.

I said there are little in the way of unblockable attacks in our weaponsets.

A person using shadowshot against an enemy with blocks up is harldy using INI efficiently. Why would you want to port to someone who runs a 3 second block for minimal damage? When I am on d/p I tend to wait until the block down, just as I would with p/p , or rifle. It not difficult.

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Posted by: babazhook.6805

babazhook.6805

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

That’s the problem, the class is so all-or-nothing, it feels completely unrewarding. Either I completely tear you down with that utility cantrip that knocks down, spamming kneeled 2, or you have defenses up blocking/reflecting.

When you play thief D/P, its much more dynamic, you go in, do some damage, you get out, then you go back in. You can be very dynamic with the deadeye, i’ve vsed some players who are, teleporting about, but they are just not efficient, and they usually end up getting killed.

You have to unlearn DrD and relearn how to play without those extra dodges. If you get down to the basics when it comes to the ability to survive longer it pretty well all about the extra dodges and to a lesser extent Bandits defense.

It is a rethink as to how you fight. If they just made it like DrD with the same amount of dodges and evades , it hardly becomes a new spec.

That said keep in mind that DE is NOT rifle anymore then DrD is staff. You can use D/P specced to DE. You can still use Rifle at extreme range and when an enemy does close change to your preferred melee set.

Which doesn’t help the fact, that omnipresent blocks/reflects/deflects literally counter your whole weaponset and you have no possibility to play against this.

ALL classes have ranged users. if they were all countered to the degree you claim no one would play them.

I have been playing with rifle all weekend and suggesting “there no possibility” to play against this is ignorance. No one has permanent reflect and a lot of professions have little to no access to reflects.

A ranged user having to deal with reflects, is no different really then a melee user having to deal with DH traps or AOE.

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Posted by: Warrost.4895

Warrost.4895

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

That’s the problem, the class is so all-or-nothing, it feels completely unrewarding. Either I completely tear you down with that utility cantrip that knocks down, spamming kneeled 2, or you have defenses up blocking/reflecting.

When you play thief D/P, its much more dynamic, you go in, do some damage, you get out, then you go back in. You can be very dynamic with the deadeye, i’ve vsed some players who are, teleporting about, but they are just not efficient, and they usually end up getting killed.

You have to unlearn DrD and relearn how to play without those extra dodges. If you get down to the basics when it comes to the ability to survive longer it pretty well all about the extra dodges and to a lesser extent Bandits defense.

It is a rethink as to how you fight. If they just made it like DrD with the same amount of dodges and evades , it hardly becomes a new spec.

That said keep in mind that DE is NOT rifle anymore then DrD is staff. You can use D/P specced to DE. You can still use Rifle at extreme range and when an enemy does close change to your preferred melee set.

Which doesn’t help the fact, that omnipresent blocks/reflects/deflects literally counter your whole weaponset and you have no possibility to play against this.

ALL classes have ranged users. if they were all countered to the degree you claim no one would play them.

I have been playing with rifle all weekend and suggesting “there no possibility” to play against this is ignorance. No one has permanent and a lot of professions have little to no access to reflects.

Sure, switch to melee. Ranged always had a hard time. You don’t need to have full time blocks/reflects, just enough to catch them. Atm the blocks offer that more than enough.

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Posted by: Link.1049

Link.1049

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

That’s the problem, the class is so all-or-nothing, it feels completely unrewarding. Either I completely tear you down with that utility cantrip that knocks down, spamming kneeled 2, or you have defenses up blocking/reflecting.

When you play thief D/P, its much more dynamic, you go in, do some damage, you get out, then you go back in. You can be very dynamic with the deadeye, i’ve vsed some players who are, teleporting about, but they are just not efficient, and they usually end up getting killed.

You have to unlearn DrD and relearn how to play without those extra dodges. If you get down to the basics when it comes to the ability to survive longer it pretty well all about the extra dodges and to a lesser extent Bandits defense.

It is a rethink as to how you fight. If they just made it like DrD with the same amount of dodges and evades , it hardly becomes a new spec.

That said keep in mind that DE is NOT rifle anymore then DrD is staff. You can use D/P specced to DE. You can still use Rifle at extreme range and when an enemy does close change to your preferred melee set.

Which doesn’t help the fact, that omnipresent blocks/reflects/deflects literally counter your whole weaponset and you have no possibility to play against this.

ALL classes have ranged users. if they were all countered to the degree you claim no one would play them.

I have been playing with rifle all weekend and suggesting “there no possibility” to play against this is ignorance. No one has permanent and a lot of professions have little to no access to reflects.

it’s bugged but right now ele has a permanent block if they take stoneskin…sure that will be fixed..

I’m more curious as to what the op’s poison build was, I tried one for a bit but found the rifle much more tuned to direct damage.

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Posted by: babazhook.6805

babazhook.6805

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

That’s the problem, the class is so all-or-nothing, it feels completely unrewarding. Either I completely tear you down with that utility cantrip that knocks down, spamming kneeled 2, or you have defenses up blocking/reflecting.

When you play thief D/P, its much more dynamic, you go in, do some damage, you get out, then you go back in. You can be very dynamic with the deadeye, i’ve vsed some players who are, teleporting about, but they are just not efficient, and they usually end up getting killed.

You have to unlearn DrD and relearn how to play without those extra dodges. If you get down to the basics when it comes to the ability to survive longer it pretty well all about the extra dodges and to a lesser extent Bandits defense.

It is a rethink as to how you fight. If they just made it like DrD with the same amount of dodges and evades , it hardly becomes a new spec.

That said keep in mind that DE is NOT rifle anymore then DrD is staff. You can use D/P specced to DE. You can still use Rifle at extreme range and when an enemy does close change to your preferred melee set.

Which doesn’t help the fact, that omnipresent blocks/reflects/deflects literally counter your whole weaponset and you have no possibility to play against this.

ALL classes have ranged users. if they were all countered to the degree you claim no one would play them.

I have been playing with rifle all weekend and suggesting “there no possibility” to play against this is ignorance. No one has permanent and a lot of professions have little to no access to reflects.

it’s bugged but right now ele has a permanent block if they take stoneskin…sure that will be fixed..

I’m more curious as to what the op’s poison build was, I tried one for a bit but found the rifle much more tuned to direct damage.

I think you would be better off in a hybrid build if wanting to do poison damage. This way you not giving up all that direct damage.

You would have to trait PANIC strike and potent poison and then use the Immob out of Rifle to stack that poison. Deaths retreat becomes a minor source of the same. It then becomes about getting might stacks on while applying Vuln to an enemy which boost both direct and condition damage.

(The utility binding shadow would be a must as if traited panic strike and potent you would get 15 vuln stacks and 4 poison)

I have been working on a p/d rifle hybrid in carrion and it performs quite well , better then did the DrD version.

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Posted by: Midi.8359

Midi.8359

Rifle aside, I find the entire spec pretty boring and linear.

It’s too much of a kill or be killed traitline. Binary and boring.

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Posted by: Elxdark.9702

Elxdark.9702

Obviously if you’re playing rifle you will find it “boring” because it needs a lot of fixes/changes yet.

I’m having a blast playing with s/d, it’s like the old sd but better.

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Posted by: Acheron.4576

Acheron.4576

i find it fun, opinions are opinions. if you don’t like DE then why not just stick with DrD?

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Posted by: Warrost.4895

Warrost.4895

i find it fun, opinions are opinions. if you don’t like DE then why not just stick with DrD?

I am sure some nerfs will help deadeye be a viable option to daredevil, and a reason to buy pof.

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

DeceiverX.8361

i find it fun, opinions are opinions. if you don’t like DE then why not just stick with DrD?

I am sure some nerfs will help deadeye be a viable option to daredevil, and a reason to buy pof.

Lol, nerfs to what?

DrD is still very competitive with the rest of the game, if not still on the stronger side.

This is just how snipers need to be. If you’re not positioned right and everything doesn’t go perfectly, you’re dead. Else it ends up overpowered because then it’s safe and lacks counterplay.

Many people demanded this concept, and a number of players foretold of the consequences that come with this except kind of concept.

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Posted by: Warrost.4895

Warrost.4895

i find it fun, opinions are opinions. if you don’t like DE then why not just stick with DrD?

I am sure some nerfs will help deadeye be a viable option to daredevil, and a reason to buy pof.

Lol, nerfs to what?

DrD is still very competitive with the rest of the game, if not still on the stronger side.

This is just how snipers need to be. If you’re not positioned right and everything doesn’t go perfectly, you’re dead. Else it ends up overpowered because then it’s safe and lacks counterplay.

Many people demanded this concept, and a number of players foretold of the consequences that come with this except kind of concept.

I agree. DrD is atm very strong. But how do you sell a new product, if the existing is better nearly everywhere?

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Posted by: Ramoth.9064

Ramoth.9064

The issue isn’t that I have difficulty playing the deadeye, its just that, its really boring to play the deadeye.

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Posted by: XxsdgxX.8109

XxsdgxX.8109

For anyone complaining, do you even know what a sniper is?

Stella Truth Seeker

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Posted by: Amante.8109

Amante.8109

It’s almost as if people have their own experiences and opinions that don’t line up with yours… but I’m sure the problem is more “not knowing what a sniper is”.

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Posted by: Ramoth.9064

Ramoth.9064

For anyone complaining, do you even know what a sniper is?

For anyone who thinks they know what snipers do, do you think they fire off shots rapidly in succession?

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Posted by: Despond.2174

Despond.2174

I’ll be sticking to DD that’s for sure, it’s better in every regard for PVP and open world it’s still the fastest and efficient option. Hopefully they make some deadeye changes, I can see sort of where they are going but it’s clunky, and I agree that when in position you should be able to move out with WASD.

DD is my favorite open world spec, I hardly see that changing because there’s no chance they will make a spec more mobile with reliable cleanses for thief.

There’s still lots of theory crafting to be had, maybe for raids/pve it will be the best.

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Posted by: Acheron.4576

Acheron.4576

For anyone complaining, do you even know what a sniper is?

For anyone who thinks they know what snipers do, do you think they fire off shots rapidly in succession?

it depends on the rifle being used. There are some that shoot a burst of shots like 3 shots in a row on a single trigger pull, and there are some that shoot once when you pull the trigger. The first one is a little weaker when it comes to accuracy and power, while the other tends to have more power, precision, and penetration capability.

I think the rifle skills capture the concept of sniper perfectly.

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Posted by: BoX Legend.4027

BoX Legend.4027

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

That’s the problem, the class is so all-or-nothing, it feels completely unrewarding. Either I completely tear you down with that utility cantrip that knocks down, spamming kneeled 2, or you have defenses up blocking/reflecting.

When you play thief D/P, its much more dynamic, you go in, do some damage, you get out, then you go back in. You can be very dynamic with the deadeye, i’ve vsed some players who are, teleporting about, but they are just not efficient, and they usually end up getting killed.

You have to unlearn DrD and relearn how to play without those extra dodges. If you get down to the basics when it comes to the ability to survive longer it pretty well all about the extra dodges and to a lesser extent Bandits defense.

It is a rethink as to how you fight. If they just made it like DrD with the same amount of dodges and evades , it hardly becomes a new spec.

That said keep in mind that DE is NOT rifle anymore then DrD is staff. You can use D/P specced to DE. You can still use Rifle at extreme range and when an enemy does close change to your preferred melee set.

DE is heavily rifle. Not completely, it functions without it, but DD wasn’t staff in the same way as this is rifle. The new steal is tied to the idea of range, there is a skill on the weapon that utilizes the new passive that otherwise is just +15% damage.

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Posted by: nacario.9417

nacario.9417

For anyone complaining, do you even know what a sniper is?

For anyone who thinks they know what snipers do, do you think they fire off shots rapidly in succession?

Havent you seen the movies?

Power Ranger PvP
I used to be a power ranger, now not sure anymore

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Posted by: Ashanor.5319

Ashanor.5319

I came back just recently and really enjoyed the Deadeye, which I played exclusively the entire weekend. Yes, there are some issues and it does feel a bit clunky at times, but I still enjoyed it more than I enjoyed thief, ranger, or warrior (2800 games worth), which I mostly played at release and until I quit.

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Posted by: FranzM.1298

FranzM.1298

I found deadeye the most fun to play actually. And i main a mesmer. It was fun have to think about when to take aim or move out of the way. Made me feel like a real sniper XD

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Posted by: Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497

Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

You do know that thief has a number of tricks up his sleeves that renders those points moot?

Basilisk Venom turns your #4 shot into an unblockable apocalypse in the form of a lead projectile. The 1.5 second stun allows you to tag them again with your #4 with impunity, or you can just lay into them with tripple tap.

Shadow Step and that Shadow Flare thingy both allows you to shadow step while immobile. To my knowledge there is nothing that will stop a thief from shadow stepping to safety. On top of that, the rule for Shadowstep is you may shadowstep ANYWHERE in your range as long as you can walk there without jumping. This means you can shadow step to the third story of a building from the streets if you wanted.

You’re allowed to shadowstep while your #4 skill is channeling.

Swapping weapons will immediately break your kneel and allow you to move around.

Cursed Bullet is unblockable.

If you really wanted to you can combine daredevil and Deadeye together (and it some how works beautifully). The added benefit of this is that Daredevil’s number 5 ability DOES NOT follow the same rules as a shadow step. You can use this to jump across gaps you would normally not be able to, or land in some positions that forces another player to use range or run (which deadeye obviously outperforms them in).

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Posted by: saerni.2584

saerni.2584

Umm, Daredevil and Deadeye can’t be combined.

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Posted by: Sly.9518

Sly.9518

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

You do know that thief has a number of tricks up his sleeves that renders those points moot?

Basilisk Venom turns your #4 shot into an unblockable apocalypse in the form of a lead projectile. The 1.5 second stun allows you to tag them again with your #4 with impunity, or you can just lay into them with tripple tap.

Shadow Step and that Shadow Flare thingy both allows you to shadow step while immobile. To my knowledge there is nothing that will stop a thief from shadow stepping to safety. On top of that, the rule for Shadowstep is you may shadowstep ANYWHERE in your range as long as you can walk there without jumping. This means you can shadow step to the third story of a building from the streets if you wanted.

You’re allowed to shadowstep while your #4 skill is channeling.

Swapping weapons will immediately break your kneel and allow you to move around.

Cursed Bullet is unblockable.

If you really wanted to you can combine daredevil and Deadeye together (and it some how works beautifully). The added benefit of this is that Daredevil’s number 5 ability DOES NOT follow the same rules as a shadow step. You can use this to jump across gaps you would normally not be able to, or land in some positions that forces another player to use range or run (which deadeye obviously outperforms them in).

Wat?

Did that really get said?

Only one elite Spec can be active at any given time…..

Deadeye is so boring to play.

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Posted by: Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497

Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

You do know that thief has a number of tricks up his sleeves that renders those points moot?

Basilisk Venom turns your #4 shot into an unblockable apocalypse in the form of a lead projectile. The 1.5 second stun allows you to tag them again with your #4 with impunity, or you can just lay into them with tripple tap.

Shadow Step and that Shadow Flare thingy both allows you to shadow step while immobile. To my knowledge there is nothing that will stop a thief from shadow stepping to safety. On top of that, the rule for Shadowstep is you may shadowstep ANYWHERE in your range as long as you can walk there without jumping. This means you can shadow step to the third story of a building from the streets if you wanted.

You’re allowed to shadowstep while your #4 skill is channeling.

Swapping weapons will immediately break your kneel and allow you to move around.

Cursed Bullet is unblockable.

If you really wanted to you can combine daredevil and Deadeye together (and it some how works beautifully). The added benefit of this is that Daredevil’s number 5 ability DOES NOT follow the same rules as a shadow step. You can use this to jump across gaps you would normally not be able to, or land in some positions that forces another player to use range or run (which deadeye obviously outperforms them in).

Wat?

Did that really get said?

Only one elite Spec can be active at any given time…..

I was able to activate it during the beta :U

Deadeye is so boring to play.

in Thief

Posted by: Turk.5460

Turk.5460

You were not. Considering both can only be activated on the bottom traitline row.

-Fort Aspenwood- [UNIV] [TLC] [ShW]
-Sorrow’s Furnace-

Deadeye is so boring to play.

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Posted by: Asur.9178

Asur.9178

The initiative cost of rifle is too high.
If deadeye would offer a kind of faster initiative regen, this would shake up meta alot.

The costs are fine and in line with any other set if not cheaper for the effecs achieved.

since there are so many blocks and reflects and on top of that, gap closers literally everywhere, even costs of 0 wouldn’t help, since deadeye doesn’t have the possibility for unblocking attacks.

You do know that thief has a number of tricks up his sleeves that renders those points moot?

Basilisk Venom turns your #4 shot into an unblockable apocalypse in the form of a lead projectile. The 1.5 second stun allows you to tag them again with your #4 with impunity, or you can just lay into them with tripple tap.

Shadow Step and that Shadow Flare thingy both allows you to shadow step while immobile. To my knowledge there is nothing that will stop a thief from shadow stepping to safety. On top of that, the rule for Shadowstep is you may shadowstep ANYWHERE in your range as long as you can walk there without jumping. This means you can shadow step to the third story of a building from the streets if you wanted.

You’re allowed to shadowstep while your #4 skill is channeling.

Swapping weapons will immediately break your kneel and allow you to move around.

Cursed Bullet is unblockable.

If you really wanted to you can combine daredevil and Deadeye together (and it some how works beautifully). The added benefit of this is that Daredevil’s number 5 ability DOES NOT follow the same rules as a shadow step. You can use this to jump across gaps you would normally not be able to, or land in some positions that forces another player to use range or run (which deadeye obviously outperforms them in).

Wat?

Did that really get said?

Only one elite Spec can be active at any given time…..

It just shows how much some people really know, before they come argue about balance problems.