Guild Wars 2

forum bug fix + 15 charrs

even in 8 min

Few screenshot for those who couldn’t be with us on EU during this time.

I think given that we had really short time to organize it, it went good. We went through LA to memorial and then to lighthouse…. from which we jumped into abyss.

Thanks to everyone who came to procession and said their good byes to the class.

P.S. i am personally off to play this game by dev design – avoiding fights in pvp and caping empty points.
P.S.S. the rage from teammates is real even tho i end up with highest score xD

Together we were beginning to get over this dark patch there was light at the end of the tunnel when this…when this “sobs” happened. It’s the end of the road…….the end.

Owwww i REALLY REALLY wanted to be there, but my computer had a different plan… i found myself re-downloading the whole game again because of memory problems… Q.Q my thief’s soul is with you all! <3
-Hestia Shadowalker, Thief-

kitten i missed it
R.I.P. my thief friends …

lol
Fitting today, especially with such “grand” changes coming.

yeah too bad i couldn’t make it

LOL.. jeez. I love coming to the forums and viewing this comedy. Very entertaining. But on a serious note, if anyone delete’s their Thief, that’s time, and money invested wasted. And fks that Anet doesn’t give.

But this demonstration does give proof that Thieves can band together on a single issue. So I applaud you for that, But quite frankly I’ve been off and on lately not playing as much, racked up 5.4k hours, (Only class and character i have), I’ll be d*mned if I delete my Thief.

Is there an NA funeral planned?

AikijinX.6258:

LOL.. jeez. I love coming to the forums and viewing this comedy. Very entertaining. But on a serious note, if anyone delete’s their Thief, that’s time, and money invested wasted. And fks that Anet doesn’t give.

But this demonstration does give proof that Thieves can band together on a single issue. So I applaud you for that, But quite frankly I’ve been off and on lately not playing as much, racked up 5.4k hours, (Only class and character i have), I’ll be d*mned if I delete my Thief.

Tbh. You can just bank your stuff and use 80 tomes later.

:V

Nah, I won’t delete my thief, it was the character of all games I loved the most.
I’d like to have an option to delete my account though-or at least permanently disable it so I don’t have to read my mail 24/7 to see if it has been hacked.

Ive never seen anything like this on any MMORPG and ive been playing them since Runescape. You know you have failed creatively on a whole new level when you get mass demonstrations like this. Incredible.

Thank you all so much for making this happen, and especially to Cynz.9437 for getting the time together, and the additional advertising within the [Teef] Guild message of the day!

I wish I had been able to be online, but alas I was on campus all day.

Ragion.2831:

Ive never seen anything like this on any MMORPG and ive been playing them since Runescape. You know you have failed creatively on a whole new level when you get mass demonstrations like this. Incredible.

Well, it’s already well-known that GW2 has the best community ever

Shalien.9018:

Orpheal.8263:

Its only a real funeral, if you delete all your thiefs – however, personally Id never go so far.

When Anet suddenly sees in their statistics a huge spike down of a massively lesser thief population… when it goes suddenly drastically towards 0, thats imo the only sign that Anet would understand, that here is somethign going really wrong with the class design and that a change by design has to be done – by either Karl finally waking up either, or Karl giving his design responsibility scepter over to an other Dev like Irenio or Robert Gee to let them fix the Thief, what he couldn’t to the likings of the thief community and concentrate hisself on other design tasks, that have nothing to do with Class Designs (not meant bad towards Karl, but one should be blind not to realize, that the the major part of the thief community currently isn’t very happy about their state of their class by his design)

Forum posters are probably less than 0.1% of the Thief community. Even if everyone who posts here deleted their Thieves we’d barely make a dent in how many people actually play the prof.

More to the point, the total number of thieves is likely very low, given the propensity for players to go for classes that deliver better results.

Yeah… I’d like to say it was fun being there but…
Hope it gets some kind of message across, Doubt it though.

Vornollo.5182:

Yeah… I’d like to say it was fun being there but…
Hope it gets some kind of message across, Doubt it though.

I think it will. I dont believe this has ever happened before, if it doesnt then the class should be handed over to a different set of devs.

Lmao!! This made me laugh pretty hard, but it’s obvious the class needs drastic buffs if this many people showed up, heck I would have showed up of I had known lol.

Can we dig him back up OP? I think he is still breathing down there loool.

Kocoff.7582:

Can we dig him back up OP? I think he is still breathing down there loool.

But what sort of life would it be? Hooked up to a respirator waiting to die? These thiefs chose to die with dignity, rather than be reduced bit by bit into total annihilation, by the very beings who created them…

And while the funeral is over, we may still fondly remember our fallen thiefs, a once proud class. Post a picture of your beloved thief, and remember them as they were…

RIP Rogue Spectre: A true sneaky kitten… a capable scout, and an accomplished assassin. Cut down in the prime of her life by the very ones who coded her…

Remember there is still December 10th.

But the people responsible for the “balance” currently in the game will still be the same…

What’s on December 10th?

kevvy.5081:

What’s on December 10th?

Remember remember…
The 10th of December…

kevvy.5081:

What’s on December 10th?

The first Thief Exodus. They heavily nerfed initiative gain traits and effects by 50% which ended up nerfing initiative entirely by 1/3rd. This was after a string of nerfs. But the long story short is alot of players were mad and rerolled to outright deleting their thieves.

I joined shortly after it happened. The only reason why I know is because a few veteran thieves at the time told me about it when I joined and naturally I did research on it. Honestly I think the residual saltiness is justified.

Ah… was this the one in Critical Strikes? Some sort of trait that had a 50% chance of giving 1 initiative with every critical hit with no cooldown? Which made a rather fun p/p build back in those days… Yea I saw pretty salty when they nerfed that..

It’s pure ignorance saying a class is OP just because it has stealth. The stealth isn’t permanent and even in games where it is you’re basically a single target burst specialist and abilities where you can stunlock require good timing and even then things aren’t balanced for 1 vs. 1 so their shaman buddy might use a push spell making you fall to death back to the spawnpoint. I hated Eye of the Storm usually, but whenever shamans were present (especially on both sides) it was pure fun win or lose. Engineers are the closest thing this game has to shamans with elementalists being part druid part mage.

Anyway, in this game you need to spend resources to actually maintain stealth and that’s where the balance comes in. Shadow refuge is on an entire minute cooldown, blind has a cooldown and if you use it you’re already admitting you’re at a disadvantage as well as announcing that you’re not carrying haste (stun breaker) since signet of shadows for the passive mobility buff and shadow refuge are mandatory.

Thief has no good (solo, since shortbow #4 works well with rapid fire and unload to really rack up poison against mordrem thrashers and other lifesteal and healing mobs) offensive AoEs, shorbow #2 is okay but impractically slow most of the time except for point blank when your weapon switch is still on cooldown. This is a form of balance, since big yet telegraphed AoE’s belong to elementalist. If you take away single target burst damage (which also happens to be situational, close range from behind and you need CC to ensure something stays still) you take away what makes thief a thief. With reduced damage all you could do is stealth and run away and let another class finish the job since you’re out of steam, but with reveal you can’t even do that.

My suggestion to fix thief… remove reveal, except when applied by other prof’s skills/utilities, and not have it as an inherent function of stealth removal by any means; it just doesn’t scream “Master of Shadows” and it’s plain dumb IMO.

I’ve been thinking about the Thief, and honestly it’s the ONE thing holding me back from buying HoT. It’s why I’m looking at all the DD footage to see if the purchase is worth it, before I invest.

I made a full ascended set for my Thief, and I’ve been thinking about switching that via Mystic Toilet to a +healing stat and roll Druid (I’ve always enjoyed being a healer in MMO’s). I specifically started playing this game to play a Thief, and with the changes and present state, I pose to myself “why play?”. Sure people will argue “just roll another prof”, how about: I just walk away. Check my acct. history, I’ve only recently come back, and that’s to evaluate the state of the profession I want to play.

TL;DR:
Thief = only reason I started, and would continue to spend time w/this game.
No Thief, No game, No money. <—note the period
Self applied/inherent reveal is just dumb.

There were several “mass exoduses” from thief players (in wvw that is). First was maybe December 10th (created mine December 7th), second was April 15th the following year (Ferocity) (I’ve been one of the two remaining thieves on my server) and well, the third was June 23th. Maybe anet wants to have a look at that, or maybe they just put it down to “every thief being a salty kitten who can’t handle changes”.

Edit: grammar

Ragion.2831:

Ive never seen anything like this on any MMORPG and ive been playing them since Runescape. You know you have failed creatively on a whole new level when you get mass demonstrations like this. Incredible.

You ever hear of John Smedley?

aw, too bad I missed that. I send my condolences

10th dec wasn’t just ini changes… around that time head shot was nerfed, followed by BP nerf…

My Reaction to Thief in HoT

Rolling a Rev =D

ArenaNet seems to be willing to throw the thief community away and all its players just to appease the bad players who refuse to learn how to play. My favorite class has suffered nerf, after nerf, after nerf with nothing to compensate. I’ve watched as every other class gets amazing buffs and awesome new shiny things with their Elite Spec, while my favorite class gets clunky, recycled animations and an extra dodge.

I will continue to play the thief class in spite of it, because I love my thief and have always had an affinity for the rogue-type classes. However, my confidence in ArenaNet’s competence at balancing and class design has been irrevocably destroyed. Until the thief class gets the buffs and changes it desperately needs, I refuse to believe that ArenaNet even gives a flying kitten about this class or its players. We’ve been kitten on worse than the Necromancers and Rangers for god’s sake.

ArenaNet, if you actually pay attention to the thief forums, you should be aware you’re kittening off an entire segment of your player base.

:( Farewell, Hopefully Anet actually starts to read all those post in forums, which i doubt.

You guy’s forgot the best part about the dec 10th change, they claimed it was a buff

Highlie.7641:

You guy’s forgot the best part about the dec 10th change, they claimed it was a buff

A buff to the coffin.

Keitaro Dragonheart.9047:

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ArenaNet, if you actually pay attention to the thief forums, you should be aware you’re kittening off an entire segment of your player base.

Arguably a small segment. As in peeps on the forums. Interestingly enough I’ve seen new “faces” on the forums… Both saying that they either came back or started then realized this class is kitten and the other side that argues that thieves are fine.

The lose won’t mean much with the influx of new players… Paired with the release of expansion, as in those that are withholding but will still buy.

Like there’s a mentality of why bother with those that are unhappy, when you can continue to make those that are happy happier… To a degree, it makes sense. So, maybe this funeral was a celebration for them, “Great, maybe the whiners will finally leave.”

Zero Day.2594:

Highlie.7641:

You guy’s forgot the best part about the dec 10th change, they claimed it was a buff

A buff to the coffin.

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Keitaro Dragonheart.9047:

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ArenaNet, if you actually pay attention to the thief forums, you should be aware you’re kittening off an entire segment of your player base.

Arguably a small segment. As in peeps on the forums. Interestingly enough I’ve seen new “faces” on the forums… Both saying that they either came back or started then realized this class is kitten and the other side that argues that thieves are fine.

The lose won’t mean much with the influx of new players… Paired with the release of expansion, as in those that are withholding but will still buy.

Like there’s a mentality of why bother with those that are unhappy, when you can continue to make those that are happy happier… To a degree, it makes sense. So, maybe this funeral was a celebration for them, “Great, maybe the whiners will finally leave.”

That sounds about right. It almost feels like ArenaNet has been looking for a reason to bury the hatchet in the thief class themselves for a while now. The bright side from ArenaNet’s end though, is that soon, they won’t have to worry about complaints from thief players, because there won’t be any left.

Warhawk.7095:

UPDATE 2 —-> The Funeral took place, and was a success. Screenshots have been posted to the thread. Let us take this time to now post pictures of our fallen thiefs and remember them as they were before these dark times.

The place: LA
The Time: 29.09.2015 9PM CEST (2PM Central US)
Contact: “Cynz.9437” if you need a taxi

Now, with all the other specs revealed, and all the cards on the table, who would be in favor of organizing an official funeral for our beloved class?

I suggest somewhere secluded and shady.

Feel free to suggest your favorite cemetery within Gw2, along with what you feel would be the most reasonable time for this event in order for people to attend and donate flowers.

im so sad i missed this. this is kittening awesome good job guys!

Zero Day.2594:

Highlie.7641:

You guy’s forgot the best part about the dec 10th change, they claimed it was a buff

A buff to the coffin.

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Keitaro Dragonheart.9047:

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ArenaNet, if you actually pay attention to the thief forums, you should be aware you’re kittening off an entire segment of your player base.

Arguably a small segment. As in peeps on the forums. Interestingly enough I’ve seen new “faces” on the forums… Both saying that they either came back or started then realized this class is kitten and the other side that argues that thieves are fine.

The lose won’t mean much with the influx of new players… Paired with the release of expansion, as in those that are withholding but will still buy.

Like there’s a mentality of why bother with those that are unhappy, when you can continue to make those that are happy happier… To a degree, it makes sense. So, maybe this funeral was a celebration for them, “Great, maybe the whiners will finally leave.”

Yeah except those happy guys will come few months later whining as well because nobody wants them in raids, they get kicked from pvp teams and in yoloq they will get constantly harassed for playing thief (it is already happening).

Those people remind me on all those players i met that cried “omg thief is so OP and forgiving”, then actually rerolled thief and complained to me day later how absolutely unfogiving and hard that class is.

Yeah, a friend of mine told me he was reported by a guild of 50 for playing D/D thief (on “their” team) in pvp today. It is funny and sad at the same time. And he is pretty good, so I don’t think he messed everything up.

Aww this thread in general is saddening

But I lmao coz some of the participants of the mass suicide looked like they were about to go to a beach party, putting on sunblock and sipping pina coladas.

Hope you guys are heard. My best memories in-game were with thieves.

There once was a small community
Skills nowhere to be seen.
They begged and they cried
Some of em died
But none plucks were given that day.

^

+1 for creativity

even if no plucks were given to the march that led the once beloved thieves to become dead.

was too late for anet to save
the lifeless bodies strewn in a mass grave