My ranger is almost level 80, and I was thinking of leveling a thief next or a mesmer. I’m curious how are they in pve? in terms of leveling, open world roaming, dynamic events, dungeons, lions’s arch attack xD and are they more fun than mesmer?. :p I heard they die alot, and becoming bottom tier like ranger in dungeons?.
The people you’re listening to are filthy liars who have no idea how to play their class. Thieves are top tier. You can endlessly evade damage with endurance gain from Daggers, Pistol Whip or just using 15 Acro etc, you can blind all trash infinitely with zero effort and you can make things like the Dredge Fractal much shorter for your group by skipping most of it with Stealth. On top of that, you have the best potential DPS next to Ele, and the highest single-target DPS for bosses. Thief is GODLY for PvE.
It’s also insanely fun if you like big numbers and active playstyles, which I do.
Not to say that we replace Warriors. Speedruns require a Warrior, but not for DPS. Just the banners. We exist alongside as the big guns.
Trouble with thieves is so many go full glass-cannon and don’t have the skill to keep from dying. This gives the good ones a bad name. It’s certainly one of the tougher classes to play effectively.
thieves are awesome in dungeons. before this LA patch i ran AC, SE, CoF, CoE. all paths every day. before that i did the same with warrior but i feel thief is so much better. sure warrior 100b does alot of damage, but not as much as pistol whip if you keep spamming it over and over and over. you do want some people with you who buff your damage, warriors with their banners and ele for some might stacks. as far as the LA patch, pistol pistol signet of malice with bouncing bullets trait and your all good. you will tag all mobs by focusing on the champs :p
I’m not arguing!
I’m simply explaining why I’m right.
Thieves are a bit like Rangers in the way that bad ones will suck really hard while good ones will deliver amazing DPS.
For casual instances Thieves may not be the best class. They aren’t as forgiving as say….Warriors and not as thought-after as Guardians. They don’t have much in the way of group support either unless you count skipping mobs.
Where they do shine however is when it comes to dealing damage because a fully pimped Thief in a fully pimped group will deal some crazy damage. But you only get to see this side of the class if you take your dungeon runs seriously.
As others have said thieves are top tier in dungeons. Most people complain that thief is squishy and lacks survivability. But with the meta team composition of 2 thieves and 2 elementalists survivability becomes irrelevant because most bosses die before they can get their first attack in. And even without insta-killing bosses thief has incredible amounts of survivability compared to elementalists.
When you say its the meta team composition, people might be fooled and actually believe it.
If by meta you mean the fastest, then yes it is. The speed you get from stacking warriors and guardians isn’t acceptable by my standards, however I’m not sure about yours.
@hendo Notice i clearly said dungeons in my original post. I didn’t mention fractals. And yes all bosses in regular dungeons are easily pulled and melted in seconds (there are 2-3 exceptions though).
When you say its the meta team composition, people might be fooled and actually believe it.
If by meta you mean the fastest, then yes it is. The speed you get from stacking warriors and guardians isn’t acceptable by my standards, however I’m not sure about yours.
@hendo Notice i clearly said dungeons in my original post. I didn’t mention fractals. And yes all bosses in regular dungeons are easily pulled and melted in seconds (there are 2-3 exceptions though).
Yeah your standards are way higher than mine. To echo Hendo, I can’t wait to see you obliterate all the records on gwscr with your awesome 2 ele 2 thief team composition. Those records are my standard so since yours are way higher it will be no problem.
You guys could start with Arah, if you want my suggestion since those would do the most to make a name for yourself.
When you say its the meta team composition, people might be fooled and actually believe it.
If by meta you mean the fastest, then yes it is. The speed you get from stacking warriors and guardians isn’t acceptable by my standards, however I’m not sure about yours.
@hendo Notice i clearly said dungeons in my original post. I didn’t mention fractals. And yes all bosses in regular dungeons are easily pulled and melted in seconds (there are 2-3 exceptions though).
If stacking eles and thieves was meta, all of the world records would do it. But… they don’t
And if I recall correctly, HOTW was a dungeon. And if I also recall correctly, the last time you guys tried FGS’ing Ginva you didn’t kill the retaliation totem and suicided yourselves instead.
When you say its the meta team composition, people might be fooled and actually believe it.
If by meta you mean the fastest, then yes it is. The speed you get from stacking warriors and guardians isn’t acceptable by my standards, however I’m not sure about yours.
@hendo Notice i clearly said dungeons in my original post. I didn’t mention fractals. And yes all bosses in regular dungeons are easily pulled and melted in seconds (there are 2-3 exceptions though).
If stacking eles and thieves was meta, all of the world records would do it. But… they don’t
And if I recall correctly, HOTW was a dungeon. And if I also recall correctly, the last time you guys tried FGS’ing Ginva you didn’t kill the retaliation totem and suicided yourselves instead.
No we die on Ginva because we try to kill him before the retaliation totem comes back up and unfortunately we haven’t been able to fully down him in that time frame yet.
As usual the elite speedrunners have said that a class is fine because they are in the current speedrunning meta. For PUG groups, thieves are mid tier. Thief utility and dps is appreciated but heavies provide more for less effort. Poorly played thieves are near the bottom of the pile as they die early and obviously.
