Guild Wars 2

I absolutely love sword dagger now… I tested it in hotjoin and it’s quite reliable now! It was also nice to swipe the swiftness and regen of a Ranger that was kiting me. He died… may he rest in piece. :p

I’m sure we will see a lot more s/d now. Good to feel like we will have some real diversity. Next up, pistols?

I just stole regeneration and vigor from a ranger

I’ve been trying S/D recently after seeing it used with 0/30/30/10/0, with a lot of success. It rewards creative play but isn’t too bursty. I’d go with d/p or d/d on the offset.

Yea, I know for WvW roaming, I will have the S/D and D/P on my bar, and my SB for zerging… I think S/D is fine without a burst, as it is nice sustained damage, and offers mobility and boons! xD

indeed i stole aegis and prot on a guardian, so love it, and it hits reliably now

Big bad boonhate warrior gonna getcha!

Could anyone provide a basic build I could look at? I never spent much time s/d, so I’m curious on what traits would work good.

It’s pretty sweet that S/D got a buff, I just wish that P/P and P/D would have gotten some love.

Oldgrimm.8521:

indeed i stole aegis and prot on a guardian, so love it, and it hits reliably now

hum?! is it unblockable? cuz if not the Aegis should block the Larcenous hit thus preventing the boon theft.

My thief is PvE-only and I played S/D until the nerf when I shelved my thief. The reverting of Reveal and the improved pathing/reliability of FS mean I will be playing my thief again. Very happy with these changes. Thanks Anet!

aw and btw it is NOT that good. at least in competitive play, in hotjoins even using a dagger and no offhand works…

why is it not that good? because it has no spike dmg (not even with haste + auto attack) and with reveled at 4sec it is a too vulnerable to dmg.

Bring back the 3sec reveled to pvp and it should be allot better, not just this spec but all that depend on stealth to be effective.

bPrepared.8104:

Could anyone provide a basic build I could look at? I never spent much time s/d, so I’m curious on what traits would work good.

My current build in terms of traits is:

0
30 (VI,X,XI)
25 (V,VI)
15 (II)
0

This is a general PvE build that I currently run with.

Though not specific to S/D there’s a good guide that will help you think about the builds possible with S/D at:

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/64903-thief-a-basic-guide/

Nice to see Sword/Dagger getting back some love from the player base. If they keep this up with dual pistols and sword/pistol, we’ll be set.

Especially dual pistols, a LOT of people want to make that work for them.

finally i can get my own back on bunkers!

Volrath.1473:

Oldgrimm.8521:

indeed i stole aegis and prot on a guardian, so love it, and it hits reliably now

hum?! is it unblockable? cuz if not the Aegis should block the Larcenous hit thus preventing the boon theft.

It’s unblockable.

^ it doesn’t say anything about it being unblockable in the skill description…

ahahah its all flowers and rainbows today!

we’ll see in a week time

everyone will be back to D/P

And here I finally just fine tuned a sweet d/p build that worked well for me. My old flame s/d caught me cheating and pulled me back in.

Somebody please explain to me, how you deal and decent amount of pressure in a S/D Build.

Like at all.
I can get over burst being gone, but seriously. You just flank spam and auto attack to death?

Removing boon is an awesome utility but, that also does not win the game anymore than running all.

Really though, somebody explain to me how you deal damage in sPvP.

I run knight amulet btw, because I do not like dieing in 2 hits. (although it still happens)

Volrath.1473:

^ it doesn’t say anything about it being unblockable in the skill description…

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ahahah its all flowers and rainbows today!

we’ll see in a week time

everyone will be back to D/P

The first strike can be blocked but the second cannot iirc.

Volrath.1473:

^ it doesn’t say anything about it being unblockable in the skill description…

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ahahah its all flowers and rainbows today!

we’ll see in a week time

everyone will be back to D/P

Yes, it does.

aye i dont know how i missed that -_-’

anyways loving S/D thieves! the pvp is flooded with them and are SO EASY to kill xD
shame it isn’t gonna last long… many will go back to they’re viable builds…

going back to the slawter, see you tomorrow!!

Auesis.7301:

Volrath.1473:

^ it doesn’t say anything about it being unblockable in the skill description…

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ahahah its all flowers and rainbows today!

we’ll see in a week time

everyone will be back to D/P

Yes, it does.

The first strike suppose to be the unblockable and boon stripper.

Does LS triggers if FS is blocked?

Edit:

Now toggles for 5 seconds to a second skill, Larcenous Strike, if the attack hits an enemy.

Yeah screwed.

That is wrong. You can hit absolutely nothing and LS still triggers. Try it.

Auesis.7301:

That is wrong. You can hit absolutely nothing and LS still triggers. Try it.

I’m only basing it on the patch note…I presume you’ve tested it?

yes, it is a bug or a mistake on the patch notes, it it was a mistake, well fine i guess it its a bug, you know what’s coming xD

Tested it multiple times. Half the time I just prep FS from a distance, hit IS and then land LS on the immobilised target.

Auesis.7301:

Tested it multiple times. Half the time I just prep FS from a distance, hit IS and then land LS on the immobilised target.

Oh dear. I guess, they’ll be fixing that bug.

LOVE IT! So awesome! Fell in love with the S/D set before but now im making babies with it.

Hopefully it’s mistyped notes.

WereDragon.6083:

Hopefully it’s mistyped notes.

I doubt it, prepping FS from a distance so that you hit with LS first is an evidence of a bad design. They should have made LS to hit first at the cost of 3 init. That’s how the original FS was, the first strike was unblockable and strips boon. No prepping necessary.

LovefulfillsAll.4870:

Somebody please explain to me, how you deal and decent amount of pressure in a S/D Build.

Like at all.
I can get over burst being gone, but seriously. You just flank spam and auto attack to death?

Removing boon is an awesome utility but, that also does not win the game anymore than running all.

Really though, somebody explain to me how you deal damage in sPvP.

I run knight amulet btw, because I do not like dieing in 2 hits. (although it still happens)

The damage from this set comes from the sword aotu attack and occasionally use of flanking strike. It’s all about keeping a high pressure on the enemy and avoid being attacked using shadowsteps, immobilizes and cripples to keep control of the fight. You can also deal decent amount of damage from CnD and do a quick daze on the target for more control. I would put in some critical damage and keep the critical chance to about 50% and have some toughness and vitality.

Geiir.7603:

LovefulfillsAll.4870:

Somebody please explain to me, how you deal and decent amount of pressure in a S/D Build.

Like at all.
I can get over burst being gone, but seriously. You just flank spam and auto attack to death?

Removing boon is an awesome utility but, that also does not win the game anymore than running all.

Really though, somebody explain to me how you deal damage in sPvP.

I run knight amulet btw, because I do not like dieing in 2 hits. (although it still happens)

The damage from this set comes from the sword aotu attack and occasionally use of flanking strike. It’s all about keeping a high pressure on the enemy and avoid being attacked using shadowsteps, immobilizes and cripples to keep control of the fight. You can also deal decent amount of damage from CnD and do a quick daze on the target for more control. I would put in some critical damage and keep the critical chance to about 50% and have some toughness and vitality.

Yup auto-attack and CnD and stacking vulnerability is where the pressure coming from, plus the boon steal from FS/LS.