Guild Wars 2

Simply because the counter argument for rapid fire is that it is countered by reflect or dodge. If that is the argument then the times should be the same.

It should have been a trick just like Withdraw and HiS a deception.

Daggerstorm on a 8 sec cooldown? For some reasons I feel like it’s a bit too much.

I’m with sagat that it should be considered a trick so that the lower trick cool down trait could be used. The same way Rangers elite root is a survival skill. I’d personally reduce damage from this elite and lower the cool down anyway cuz it’s mainly used for reflects a apposed to damaging. It’s more like one of thief’s gtfo of here buttons.

Personally, I mostly use DS in WvW, like this:
1) Shadowstep into enemy zerg
2) Dagger Storm + Signet of Malice = healing + reflects = tagged everybody and I’m not dead!
3) Shadow Return, my zerg rolls over them.
4) PROFIT

So really for me it’s a gtf IN there button.

DaMunky.6302:

Personally, I mostly use DS in WvW, like this:
1) Shadowstep into enemy zerg
2) Dagger Storm + Signet of Malice = healing + reflects = tagged everybody and I’m not dead!
3) Shadow Return, my zerg rolls over them.
4) PROFIT

So really for me it’s a gtf IN there button.

This and spam poison are like the only thing thieves are good for in WvW zerging.

DaMunky.6302:

Personally, I mostly use DS in WvW, like this:
1) Shadowstep into enemy zerg
2) Dagger Storm + Signet of Malice = healing + reflects = tagged everybody and I’m not dead!
3) Shadow Return, my zerg rolls over them.
4) PROFIT

So really for me it’s a gtf IN there button.

You missed a step somewhere between 1-3 where you get butchered by various AoEs.

Although I disagree with the reasoning, lowering the dagger storm cooldown to say 75s wouldn’t really hurt would it?

And DS is pretty boss these days due to the large amounts of projectiles you reflect back into zergs, lol.

Make duration last 5 seconds, lower cooldown to 40 seconds. Oh look. It’s now a very good skill and the only proper elite skill thieves have access too.

Zero Day.2594:

DaMunky.6302:

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You missed a step somewhere between 1-3 where you get butchered by various AoEs.

Honestly, most zergs just aren’t that smart or quick on the uptake. Most of them try to shoot everything with ranged, which doesn’t work when you’re reflecting, so it’s ONLY the melees and AoEs hitting you, which tends to be like 1 poison field and 1 Necro well and maybe a Lava Font. The healing from SoM is more than enough to sustain through those, and then the moment DS ends you Shadow Return to safety before anybody manages to hurt you much.

^ most people spam AOEs in zergs and Dagger Storm doesn’t really do much against that…
Though, your method works because I’ve tried it firsthand. Not sure why, though, but I managed to stay alive on full zerk thief(lol)
But besides that, my thief is for roaming mostly.. If I want to contribute to a massive fight, I do it with my Guardian. I hope you won’t argue that Guardian is better at zerging than thief is :-)

DaMunky.6302:

Personally, I mostly use DS in WvW, like this:
1) Shadowstep into enemy zerg
2) Dagger Storm + Signet of Malice = healing + reflects = tagged everybody and I’m not dead!
3) Shadow Return, my zerg rolls over them.
4) PROFIT

So really for me it’s a gtf IN there button.

That’s how I zerg in silver-bronze, totally suicidal in gold but yeah, it’s amusing how much a zerker thief can survive in a zerg.

This guy wrote it best.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/What-is-your-favorite-skill-in-the-game/first#post4356288