Guild Wars 2

so sad. i think 17.5 was deserved but thats just me. “I” believe it should be 30 secs base . steal really isnt that strong and we dont hav any more than 1500 dmg on it so its not a real killer. even when mug hit for 6k it was only a few QQers bc its was 45 secs. idk

JonPeters.5630:

Recharge rate means the speed at which it recharges, so it recharges 30% faster not 30% shorter recharge. Think of it this way.

New recharge time = (old time / 1.3) not (old time* 0.7)

i hate you guys so MUCH because of the totally random nerfs you give us each month…
when this will ever end ??? i totally dropped the DA tree now

OT: 100 second recharge skill
50% time reduction = 50sec recharge
+50%faster recharge rate does mean 100/1.5=66.66 seconds

Travlane.5948:

so sad. i think 17.5 was deserved but thats just me. “I” believe it should be 30 secs base . steal really isnt that strong and we dont hav any more than 1500 dmg on it so its not a real killer. even when mug hit for 6k it was only a few QQers bc its was 45 secs. idk

I agree that 17.5s seemed fair.

no matter how you look at it when saying you give 30% faster recharge rate….most people dont know what the recharge rate is to start with so they arent sure if tis worth it.

in its current form I think it mostly isn’t worth it.

It’s worked the same way since launch. Now they’re claiming that it’s been a problem since Launch, and they’re only now deciding to “fix it”.

This is called backpedaling. it worked a particular way, now they want it to work another way, but instead of just saying that, it’s called an unresolved issue since launch.

Reaaaaal believable. Jeez, you guys can’t even bullkitten competently.

JonPeters.5630:

Recharge rate means the speed at which it recharges, so it recharges 30% faster not 30% shorter recharge. Think of it this way.

New recharge time = (old time / 1.3) not (old time* 0.7)

Why have 2 different ways of calculating cooldown changes in the first place?

Some traits use cooldown reduction and others use recharge speed increase. Cooldown reduction is additive and much more intuitive to calculate, so why not translate all recharge speed increases to cooldown reduction and adjust the numbers accordingly?

God knows we could use some more consistency in this game.

Why are people complaining about buffs? They don’t happen that often, enjoy what you can get.

evilapprentice.6379:

It’s worked the same way since launch. Now they’re claiming that it’s been a problem since Launch, and they’re only now deciding to “fix it”.

This is called backpedaling. it worked a particular way, now they want it to work another way, but instead of just saying that, it’s called an unresolved issue since launch.

Reaaaaal believable. Jeez, you guys can’t even bullkitten competently.

i know. it was 31.5 secs on the steal with 30 in trickery right? now all the sudden its different even tho the tool tip says its 17.5? so if somethigns changing its bc anet decided it so…not bc of a bug. :P

JonPeters.5630:

Recharge rate means the speed at which it recharges, so it recharges 30% faster not 30% shorter recharge. Think of it this way.

New recharge time = (old time / 1.3) not (old time* 0.7)

That is a spectacularly misleading way to handle that. Considering that all other recharge reduction traits and, as of now at least, every tooltip uses a completely different formula.
And even knowing the formula, it’s still convoluted and difficult to perceive.

I am shocked, shocked I tell you that the way it actually works is worse for thieves than as advertised.

This never happens to us.

Grimwolf.7163:

JonPeters.5630:

Recharge rate means the speed at which it recharges, so it recharges 30% faster not 30% shorter recharge. Think of it this way.

New recharge time = (old time / 1.3) not (old time* 0.7)

That is a spectacularly misleading way to handle that. Considering that all other recharge reduction traits and, as of now at least, every tooltip uses a completely different formula.
And even knowing the formula, it’s still convoluted and difficult to perceive.

the proper more elegant way to do it is just pure % reduction of time. but they dont want steal on 18 seconds tho. that extra 3 is too much lol :P

Grimwolf.7163:

That is a spectacularly misleading way to handle that. Considering that all other recharge reduction traits and, as of now at least, every tooltip uses a completely different formula.
And even knowing the formula, it’s still convoluted and difficult to perceive.

No, ele arcane works exactly the same and has since release. Recharge rate vs recharge faster. Rate is (time/(1+rate)), faster (time*(1-rate)). Seems straight forward to me.

Nikkle.4013:

Grimwolf.7163:

That is a spectacularly misleading way to handle that. Considering that all other recharge reduction traits and, as of now at least, every tooltip uses a completely different formula.
And even knowing the formula, it’s still convoluted and difficult to perceive.

No, ele arcane works exactly the same and has since release. Recharge rate vs recharge faster. Rate is (time/(1+rate)), faster (time*(1-rate)). Seems straight forward to me.

A) No it isn’t. It isn’t straight forward at all. It’s quite the opposite.
B) It’s additionally confusing because up until this patch, it was a cooldown reduction. The more I think about it, the more positive I am when I ran 30 trickery my Steal CD was 32s.

It was a change to the way the math was done, with no notice.

I’d also like to point at that this was all a really complicated way to attempt to convince us that a 1s daze on a Grandmaster trait was “worth it”. Hint, it’s not. Trickery is further plagued by the fact that thieves don’t go conditions (PvP standpoint) because it’s really really easy to mitigate 1 kittening damaging condition. The Skale venom change was a “kitten you”, not a buff.

I’d call it confusing, but honestly it’s been like this for all of those traitlines for a very long time. The tooltips just weren’t always accurate.

Every time Jon Peters or a dev tells us something, I feel slimy, like when a politician promises you something to get elected.

Softspoken.2410:

I’d call it confusing, but honestly it’s been like this for all of those traitlines for a very long time. The tooltips just weren’t always accurate.

I’m not talking about the number on the tooltip. I’m talking the Cooldown number that appeared after I used Steal – it was 32s.

So has the 21.5 second been there all day even tho the tooltip read 17.5? or was it actually 17.5 at one point?

so has the steal recharge been 21.5 seconds all day even tho the tooltip said 17.5? or was it actually 17.5 at one point?

Demonts.4593:

So has the 21.5 second been there all day even tho the tooltip read 17.5? or was it actually 17.5 at one point?

They hot-fixed the tool-tip.

so its actually been at 21.5 for the entire post patch? it just said it was at 17.5?

evilapprentice.6379:

Softspoken.2410:

I’d call it confusing, but honestly it’s been like this for all of those traitlines for a very long time. The tooltips just weren’t always accurate.

I’m not talking about the number on the tooltip. I’m talking the Cooldown number that appeared after I used Steal – it was 32s.

If you’d like, I could link you to a few discussions publically recorded on the GW2 wiki that would show people discovering the exact details of these recharge rate modifiers as early as January. I’d also point out that Steal’s recharge would have been 34.6~ seconds with 30 in trickery and a base recharge of 45 seconds: I wouldn’t blame you for missing the 3(?) second difference, since the only time you’d see steal’s cooldown on the icon would be if you whiff the skill.

Demonts.4593:

so its actually been at 21.5 for the entire post patch? it just said it was at 17.5?

To my knowledge, it’s been at 21.5. The thread started because people wanted to know why the recharge wasn’t matching the advertised value on the tooltip.

Kaon.7192:

JonPeters.5630:

Recharge rate means the speed at which it recharges, so it recharges 30% faster not 30% shorter recharge. Think of it this way.

New recharge time = (old time / 1.3) not (old time* 0.7)

Why have 2 different ways of calculating cooldown changes in the first place?

Some traits use cooldown reduction and others use recharge speed increase. Cooldown reduction is additive and much more intuitive to calculate, so why not translate all recharge speed increases to cooldown reduction and adjust the numbers accordingly?

God knows we could use some more consistency in this game.

/agree