Guild Wars 2

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Zero Day.2594:

yolo swaggins.2570:

merrykitten .9423:

yolo swaggins.2570:

I think I lost a few brain cells reading this thread.

I found another thief player, of course thieves will try to troll on this legitemate thread, they don’t want their precious class nerfed. However, do thief players even have any brain cells to began with, I mean all they do is spam mindlessly

I found another player who’de rather have their wins handed to them than get better.

Thief has been designed like that since day one. If you won’t adapt or get better, then pvp isn’t for you.

Get baited son!

:P Congrats merry. Almost baited me and successfully baited yolo.

:( You didn’t like my math, yolo?

YEP, If yolo really read the post from top to bottom, he will realize it :P

Doesn’t change the fact i still lost a few braincells.

Jana.6831:

But I’m kind of not myself today – so..

Invasion of the Thief Snatchers!!!

merrykitten .9423:

After dying so many times, your body becomes used to the dmg, so you just become completely immune. Almost every thief has unlocked this, how come you still havn’t done it yet? In fact, if you die 100000000000000000000000 times, you will gain the ability to teleport to any enemy on the map and instantly kill them, this skill is so kitten op!

Ah, so that’s the “Ghost Thief” build I’ve been hearing about so much!

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

perhaps every serious thief player has created a math problem to counter every class and thats why were so OP. The power of math (and thieves) cannot be denied…

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

to warrior GS

or even normal sword 1.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”
or reveneant’s stealth reveal
or engineers stealth reveal.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

so yes, there are counterplays

and traps work well against them

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)
and 2nd lowest armor

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

to warrior GS

or even normal sword 1.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”
or reveneant’s stealth reveal
or engineers stealth reveal.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

so yes, there are counterplays

and traps work well against them

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)
and 2nd lowest armor

This makes too much sense
I only understand nerfs

Just wanted to say:
The amount of trolling going on on this forum lately is really good – outsiders (and probably devs) won’t get it, but I love it.

Only when you’ve lost everything you’re free to do anything, right?
So, thanks for the laughs I’m having while reading your insanity.

Jana.6831:

Just wanted to say:
The amount of trolling going on on this forum lately is really good – outsiders (and probably devs) won’t get it, but I love it.

Only when you’ve lost everything you’re free to do anything, right?
So, thanks for the laughs I’m having while reading your insanity.

The wittiest thing in the world is an individual at wits end.

Jana.6831:

Just wanted to say:
The amount of trolling going on on this forum lately is really good – outsiders (and probably devs) won’t get it, but I love it.

Only when you’ve lost everything you’re free to do anything, right?
So, thanks for the laughs I’m having while reading your insanity.

It’s sad when you think about it, but I am glad we have such a great thief community that we can ban together under our depressing state and have a few laughs. I honestly spend more time on the thief forums reading troll posts than playing nowadays.

I lost my wits. I mean, my backstab does more than an Scrapper’s Hammer 1 but less than any of the 4 skills. But its k, I got stealth and they don’t. I’m op.

staff is so Op I feel like Chuck Norris

We should get new elite specialization Trolling – no dmg , no surv, no armour, no escape mechanism, oh .. wait we do not have these anyway .. SB#5 still OP!

Taxidriver.2043:

staff is so Op I feel like Chuck Norris

It’s not op, its overcompensated. All it has is damage and evades with a few condi disablers. It’s also very, very slow which means against other Thief builds it gets outplayed. Don’t get me wrong, it is strong- but its not as strong as others in different ways. And unfortunately, Staff can’t be buffed anymore. But hey Thief op =P. The new e-specs weapon isn’t op =P, but Thief op.

Edit: Should probably explain. Daggers have high sustainable burst and execution, Pistols have high ranged burst and control, sword has high fight control through roots/boon-steal/stun, and shortbow is shortbow 5.

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

Thieves will either go in stealth or dodge inside your AoE. For each evade, it triggers their “on evade” traits. Thieves have done this inside SR while getting AoE’d.

Not a good solution. Apparently, you have not played a Thief.

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

Again, “on evade” remember?

to warrior GS

Only bad Warriors uses GS and you shouldn’t encourage others to be bad Warriors.

or even normal sword 1.

Again, “on evade” traits. Not a good idea.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

Not if they’re dodging.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”

Not if they’re dodging.

or reveneant’s stealth reveal

Ugh, not if they’re dodging.

or engineers stealth reveal.

Not. If.They.Are.Dodging.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

That’s just an illusion. There is no “hard counter” to Thieves. If you Revealed them, they will dodge and evade, then go back in stealth.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

Stealth is not useless. If the Thief can force a Ranger to bring a dead skill Sic ’Em, the Thief have already won.

so yes, there are counterplays

There’s no such thing. There is no way to beat a Thief. They have so much utility, evade, block, and invulnerability that there is nothing you can do to beat them.

and traps work well against them

You cannot trap a Thief, they will shadowstep out of it or dodge around in it to trigger “on evade” traits.

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

No it doesn’t. Barbaric approach never work. You need to be a 5-start General who’s really good at forming strategies and tactical maneuvers.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)

That’s nothing compare to their effective health — keyword “effective”.

and 2nd lowest armor

Their armor is part of the illusion because when they go in stealth, they receive 25% damage reduction plus the pulsing heal which greatly increase their effective health while in stealth. This is one of the reasons why your “solutions” will never work.

Everyone agree that Thief is OP and I just laid out some of the reasons why.

EDIT: typos

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

Thieves will either go in stealth or dodge inside your AoE. For each evade, it triggers their “on evade” traits. Thieves have done this inside SR while getting AoE’d.

Not a good solution. Apparently, you have not played a Thief.

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

Again, “on evade” remember?

to warrior GS

Only bad Warriors uses GS and you shouldn’t encourage others to be bad Warriors.

or even normal sword 1.

Again, “on evade” traits. Not a good idea.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

Not if they’re dodging.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”

Not if they’re dodging.

or reveneant’s stealth reveal

Ugh, not if they’re dodging.

or engineers stealth reveal.

Not. If.They.Are.Dodging.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

That’s just an illusion. There is no “hard counter” to Thieves. If you Revealed them, they will dodge and evade, then go back in stealth.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

Stealth is not useless. If the Thief can force a Ranger to bring a dead skill Sic ’Em, the Thief have already won.

so yes, there are counterplays

There’s no such thing. There is no way to beat a Thief. They have so much utility, evade, block, and invulnerability that there is nothing you can do to beat them.

and traps work well against them

You cannot trap a Thief, they will shadowstep out of it or dodge around in it to trigger “on evade” traits.

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

No it doesn’t. Barbaric approach never work. You need to be a 5-start General who’s really good at forming strategies and tactical maneuvers.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)

That’s nothing compare to their effective health — keyword “effective”.

and 2nd lowest armor

Their armor is part of the illusion because when they go in stealth, they receive 25% damage reduction plus the pulsing heal which greatly increase their effective health while in stealth. This is one of the reasons why your “solutions” will never work.

Everyone agree that Thief is OP and I just laid out some of the reasons why.

EDIT: typos

lol they don’t have unlimited dodge

also. dodge doesnt work vs all skills

example, Ranger’s skill “Sic Em” removes all stealth WITHIN 2K
dodge don’t evade it.

and Rev’s “gaze of darkness” pulls all stealthed enemies out of stealth, and blinds them.

again, dodge wont evade it.

also
Guardian’s Light’s jugement trap

this can be dodged yes. but it LASTS 8 SECOUNDS. aka as soon as your dodge ends YOU LOSE STEALTH unless u can jump OUT of the trap’s range before the evade ends.
with a attack radius longer than the trap radius. this means evade wotn work well.

for engineer
analyze.
and detection pulse.

both cant be dodged

there is also the engineer trait LOCK ON.
combine this with a AoE like grenades, or flamethrower. and NO EVADE will be able to outlast this. this will basically cancel stealth perminently unless the theif can get out of range of the engineer.

and guess what. by your logic. evade can counter anything. but u don’t have unlimited evades. they have cooldowns. and a period between evades.

so try again.

i’ve given you 5 skills
and 1 trait

that are epic at stopping stealth

in addition. all mass AoEs
like the spammable necro staff, large number of AoE long duration Ele skills, wide arc weapons of the ranger, necro, guardian.
will dmg theives even while they stealthed.

arenta.2953:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

Thieves will either go in stealth or dodge inside your AoE. For each evade, it triggers their “on evade” traits. Thieves have done this inside SR while getting AoE’d.

Not a good solution. Apparently, you have not played a Thief.

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

Again, “on evade” remember?

to warrior GS

Only bad Warriors uses GS and you shouldn’t encourage others to be bad Warriors.

or even normal sword 1.

Again, “on evade” traits. Not a good idea.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

Not if they’re dodging.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”

Not if they’re dodging.

or reveneant’s stealth reveal

Ugh, not if they’re dodging.

or engineers stealth reveal.

Not. If.They.Are.Dodging.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

That’s just an illusion. There is no “hard counter” to Thieves. If you Revealed them, they will dodge and evade, then go back in stealth.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

Stealth is not useless. If the Thief can force a Ranger to bring a dead skill Sic ’Em, the Thief have already won.

so yes, there are counterplays

There’s no such thing. There is no way to beat a Thief. They have so much utility, evade, block, and invulnerability that there is nothing you can do to beat them.

and traps work well against them

You cannot trap a Thief, they will shadowstep out of it or dodge around in it to trigger “on evade” traits.

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

No it doesn’t. Barbaric approach never work. You need to be a 5-start General who’s really good at forming strategies and tactical maneuvers.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)

That’s nothing compare to their effective health — keyword “effective”.

and 2nd lowest armor

Their armor is part of the illusion because when they go in stealth, they receive 25% damage reduction plus the pulsing heal which greatly increase their effective health while in stealth. This is one of the reasons why your “solutions” will never work.

Everyone agree that Thief is OP and I just laid out some of the reasons why.

EDIT: typos

lol they don’t have unlimited dodge

also. dodge doesnt work vs all skills

example, Ranger’s skill “Sic Em” removes all stealth WITHIN 2K
dodge don’t evade it.

and Rev’s “gaze of darkness” pulls all stealthed enemies out of stealth, and blinds them.

again, dodge wont evade it.

also
Guardian’s Light’s jugement trap

this can be dodged yes. but it LASTS 8 SECOUNDS. aka as soon as your dodge ends YOU LOSE STEALTH unless u can jump OUT of the trap’s range before the evade ends.
with a attack radius longer than the trap radius. this means evade wotn work well.

for engineer
analyze.
and detection pulse.

both cant be dodged

there is also the engineer trait LOCK ON.
combine this with a AoE like grenades, or flamethrower. and NO EVADE will be able to outlast this. this will basically cancel stealth perminently unless the theif can get out of range of the engineer.

and guess what. by your logic. evade can counter anything. but u don’t have unlimited evades. they have cooldowns. and a period between evades.

so try again.

You do realize that dodging happens during the Revealed right? It’s not dodging the skill that Reveals the Thief, rather dodging every other skill after getting Revealed.

Even though you have the skill to Revealed them, they will simply dodge around until they can stealth again — and they can stealth more than you can reveal that’s why those reveal skills are useless and not a hard counter.

Do you understand now why Thief needs to be nerfed?

It seems to me that you have not played a Thief.

in addition to my above post

if theif was OP….why are other classes used as well in the league?

if theif was as OP as you claim. why doesn’t EVERYONE use it?

theif is strong at its given role yes. but its extremely squishy and punishing of mistakes.
its stealth and evasion are all the defense it has.

and it lacks effective AoE skills. or any skills at all to make it able to conduct long duration fights.

boss fights, meta events, zergs, or even group combat.
all of these a theif is horrible for.
it even lacks a true long range weapon. beign stuck at 900 range.

what a thief is good at, is 1 on 1, hit and run, and sneaking past mobs in dungeons.

all classes have situations they are best at. these are the theives

if u try to fight a theif in 1 on 1 and you aren’t a bunker, or AoE build. or bringing one of the skills i posted above.

then you deserve to die. as your literally playing to the theives strength.

what is the theif best at killing. berserker set glass cannon players who place no value in defense, durability, or survivability.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

Thieves will either go in stealth or dodge inside your AoE. For each evade, it triggers their “on evade” traits. Thieves have done this inside SR while getting AoE’d.

Not a good solution. Apparently, you have not played a Thief.

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

Again, “on evade” remember?

to warrior GS

Only bad Warriors uses GS and you shouldn’t encourage others to be bad Warriors.

or even normal sword 1.

Again, “on evade” traits. Not a good idea.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

Not if they’re dodging.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”

Not if they’re dodging.

or reveneant’s stealth reveal

Ugh, not if they’re dodging.

or engineers stealth reveal.

Not. If.They.Are.Dodging.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

That’s just an illusion. There is no “hard counter” to Thieves. If you Revealed them, they will dodge and evade, then go back in stealth.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

Stealth is not useless. If the Thief can force a Ranger to bring a dead skill Sic ’Em, the Thief have already won.

so yes, there are counterplays

There’s no such thing. There is no way to beat a Thief. They have so much utility, evade, block, and invulnerability that there is nothing you can do to beat them.

and traps work well against them

You cannot trap a Thief, they will shadowstep out of it or dodge around in it to trigger “on evade” traits.

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

No it doesn’t. Barbaric approach never work. You need to be a 5-start General who’s really good at forming strategies and tactical maneuvers.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)

That’s nothing compare to their effective health — keyword “effective”.

and 2nd lowest armor

Their armor is part of the illusion because when they go in stealth, they receive 25% damage reduction plus the pulsing heal which greatly increase their effective health while in stealth. This is one of the reasons why your “solutions” will never work.

Everyone agree that Thief is OP and I just laid out some of the reasons why.

EDIT: typos

lol they don’t have unlimited dodge

also. dodge doesnt work vs all skills

example, Ranger’s skill “Sic Em” removes all stealth WITHIN 2K
dodge don’t evade it.

and Rev’s “gaze of darkness” pulls all stealthed enemies out of stealth, and blinds them.

again, dodge wont evade it.

also
Guardian’s Light’s jugement trap

this can be dodged yes. but it LASTS 8 SECOUNDS. aka as soon as your dodge ends YOU LOSE STEALTH unless u can jump OUT of the trap’s range before the evade ends.
with a attack radius longer than the trap radius. this means evade wotn work well.

for engineer
analyze.
and detection pulse.

both cant be dodged

there is also the engineer trait LOCK ON.
combine this with a AoE like grenades, or flamethrower. and NO EVADE will be able to outlast this. this will basically cancel stealth perminently unless the theif can get out of range of the engineer.

and guess what. by your logic. evade can counter anything. but u don’t have unlimited evades. they have cooldowns. and a period between evades.

so try again.

You do realize that dodging happens during the Revealed right? It’s not dodging the skill that Reveals the Thief, rather dodging every other skill after getting Revealed.

Even though you have the skill to Revealed them, they will simply dodge around until they can stealth again — and they can stealth more than you can reveal that’s why those reveal skills are useless and not a hard counter.

Do you understand now why Thief needs to be nerfed?

It seems to me that you have not played a Thief.

2 theifs lv 80
1 necro lv 80
3 rangers lv 80
1 rev lv 76
2 engi lv 56 and 80
1 mesmer lv 80
and 1 warrior lv 80

also you jsut bullkittented.
“they can stealth more than you can reveal that’s why those reveal skills are useless and not a hard counter.”

engineer skill lock on. no cooldown AT ALL. just hit the theif.
theif can evade yes. but guess what. it can’t evade 24/7. specially against spammed grenades or flamethrower. which will immediatly hit after the evade ends, blast the stealth to oblivion. and reveal the theif.

the theif will not be able to restealth as the lock on will continue(coupled with the AoE engi skill) to remove stealth

theres also the ranger skill sic em. couple this with the longbow’s 2 skill and after the theif restealths after sic em ends. the longbow will continue to hit the theif. even when stealthed.

also. sic em lasts 10 secounds, applying a 6 SECOUND reveal. if the theif stays in the 2k range. thats 16 secounds of FORCED REVEAL.

necro wells and marks can be used to track a stealthed theif with their spammability

and all AoE pulls (of which warrior, rev, and guardian have) can and will pull it. they can dodge it sure. but thats 1 less dodge when stealth ends

mesmer can summon clones and stealth itself. a theif will have to go through hell to kill it, most likely dying itself due to clone explosions and torment.

and ele can track theif easily by paying attention to the dmg panel to see which of its AoE attacks is hitting for dmg.

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heres a list of stuff to fight a theif with

revenant, hammer, swords, staff.

guardian. GS and that epic staff 1 with tis HUGE arc attack recking stealth.

warrior. Hammer(dem knockdowns), GS, shield(ruin back stab), and STOMP kitten

ranger. sic em, long bow, GS

engineer. lock on. reveal pulse. analyse. flamethrower. grenades.

necro. staff, wells, marks, shroud 4 and 5. GS.

mesmer….ANYTHING

ele. any AoE and evasion. knockdowns 2.

arenta.2953:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

Thieves will either go in stealth or dodge inside your AoE. For each evade, it triggers their “on evade” traits. Thieves have done this inside SR while getting AoE’d.

Not a good solution. Apparently, you have not played a Thief.

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

Again, “on evade” remember?

to warrior GS

Only bad Warriors uses GS and you shouldn’t encourage others to be bad Warriors.

or even normal sword 1.

Again, “on evade” traits. Not a good idea.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

Not if they’re dodging.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”

Not if they’re dodging.

or reveneant’s stealth reveal

Ugh, not if they’re dodging.

or engineers stealth reveal.

Not. If.They.Are.Dodging.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

That’s just an illusion. There is no “hard counter” to Thieves. If you Revealed them, they will dodge and evade, then go back in stealth.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

Stealth is not useless. If the Thief can force a Ranger to bring a dead skill Sic ’Em, the Thief have already won.

so yes, there are counterplays

There’s no such thing. There is no way to beat a Thief. They have so much utility, evade, block, and invulnerability that there is nothing you can do to beat them.

and traps work well against them

You cannot trap a Thief, they will shadowstep out of it or dodge around in it to trigger “on evade” traits.

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

No it doesn’t. Barbaric approach never work. You need to be a 5-start General who’s really good at forming strategies and tactical maneuvers.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)

That’s nothing compare to their effective health — keyword “effective”.

and 2nd lowest armor

Their armor is part of the illusion because when they go in stealth, they receive 25% damage reduction plus the pulsing heal which greatly increase their effective health while in stealth. This is one of the reasons why your “solutions” will never work.

Everyone agree that Thief is OP and I just laid out some of the reasons why.

EDIT: typos

lol they don’t have unlimited dodge

also. dodge doesnt work vs all skills

example, Ranger’s skill “Sic Em” removes all stealth WITHIN 2K
dodge don’t evade it.

and Rev’s “gaze of darkness” pulls all stealthed enemies out of stealth, and blinds them.

again, dodge wont evade it.

also
Guardian’s Light’s jugement trap

this can be dodged yes. but it LASTS 8 SECOUNDS. aka as soon as your dodge ends YOU LOSE STEALTH unless u can jump OUT of the trap’s range before the evade ends.
with a attack radius longer than the trap radius. this means evade wotn work well.

for engineer
analyze.
and detection pulse.

both cant be dodged

there is also the engineer trait LOCK ON.
combine this with a AoE like grenades, or flamethrower. and NO EVADE will be able to outlast this. this will basically cancel stealth perminently unless the theif can get out of range of the engineer.

and guess what. by your logic. evade can counter anything. but u don’t have unlimited evades. they have cooldowns. and a period between evades.

so try again.

You do realize that dodging happens during the Revealed right? It’s not dodging the skill that Reveals the Thief, rather dodging every other skill after getting Revealed.

Even though you have the skill to Revealed them, they will simply dodge around until they can stealth again — and they can stealth more than you can reveal that’s why those reveal skills are useless and not a hard counter.

Do you understand now why Thief needs to be nerfed?

It seems to me that you have not played a Thief.

2 theifs lv 80
1 necro lv 80
3 rangers lv 80
1 rev lv 76
2 engi lv 56 and 80
1 mesmer lv 80
and 1 warrior lv 80

also you jsut bullkittented.
“they can stealth more than you can reveal that’s why those reveal skills are useless and not a hard counter.”

engineer skill lock on. no cooldown AT ALL. just hit the theif.
theif can evade yes. but guess what. it can’t evade 24/7. specially against spammed grenades or flamethrower. which will immediatly hit after the evade ends, blast the stealth to oblivion. and reveal the theif.

the theif will not be able to restealth as the lock on will continue(coupled with the AoE engi skill) to remove stealth

theres also the ranger skill sic em. couple this with the longbow’s 2 skill and after the theif restealths after sic em ends. the longbow will continue to hit the theif. even when stealthed.

also. sic em lasts 10 secounds, applying a 6 SECOUND reveal. if the theif stays in the 2k range. thats 16 secounds of FORCED REVEAL.

necro wells and marks can be used to track a stealthed theif with their spammability

and all AoE pulls (of which warrior, rev, and guardian have) can and will pull it. they can dodge it sure. but thats 1 less dodge when stealth ends

mesmer can summon clones and stealth itself. a theif will have to go through hell to kill it, most likely dying itself due to clone explosions and torment.

and ele can track theif easily by paying attention to the dmg panel to see which of its AoE attacks is hitting for dmg.

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heres a list of stuff to fight a theif with

revenant, hammer, swords, staff.

guardian. GS and that epic staff 1 with tis HUGE arc attack recking stealth.

warrior. Hammer(dem knockdowns), GS, shield(ruin back stab), and STOMP kitten

ranger. sic em, long bow, GS

engineer. lock on. reveal pulse. analyse. flamethrower. grenades.

necro. staff, wells, marks, shroud 4 and 5. GS.

mesmer….ANYTHING

ele. any AoE and evasion. knockdowns 2.

A thief stealthed and backstabbed me for 20k

Faceroll class, should be deleted from game

no counterplay to stealth

No other class lets you 22222222222 to win

My main is a mesmer

Azure The Heartless.3261:

arenta.2953:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

Thieves will either go in stealth or dodge inside your AoE. For each evade, it triggers their “on evade” traits. Thieves have done this inside SR while getting AoE’d.

Not a good solution. Apparently, you have not played a Thief.

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

Again, “on evade” remember?

to warrior GS

Only bad Warriors uses GS and you shouldn’t encourage others to be bad Warriors.

or even normal sword 1.

Again, “on evade” traits. Not a good idea.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

Not if they’re dodging.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”

Not if they’re dodging.

or reveneant’s stealth reveal

Ugh, not if they’re dodging.

or engineers stealth reveal.

Not. If.They.Are.Dodging.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

That’s just an illusion. There is no “hard counter” to Thieves. If you Revealed them, they will dodge and evade, then go back in stealth.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

Stealth is not useless. If the Thief can force a Ranger to bring a dead skill Sic ’Em, the Thief have already won.

so yes, there are counterplays

There’s no such thing. There is no way to beat a Thief. They have so much utility, evade, block, and invulnerability that there is nothing you can do to beat them.

and traps work well against them

You cannot trap a Thief, they will shadowstep out of it or dodge around in it to trigger “on evade” traits.

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

No it doesn’t. Barbaric approach never work. You need to be a 5-start General who’s really good at forming strategies and tactical maneuvers.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)

That’s nothing compare to their effective health — keyword “effective”.

and 2nd lowest armor

Their armor is part of the illusion because when they go in stealth, they receive 25% damage reduction plus the pulsing heal which greatly increase their effective health while in stealth. This is one of the reasons why your “solutions” will never work.

Everyone agree that Thief is OP and I just laid out some of the reasons why.

EDIT: typos

lol they don’t have unlimited dodge

also. dodge doesnt work vs all skills

example, Ranger’s skill “Sic Em” removes all stealth WITHIN 2K
dodge don’t evade it.

and Rev’s “gaze of darkness” pulls all stealthed enemies out of stealth, and blinds them.

again, dodge wont evade it.

also
Guardian’s Light’s jugement trap

this can be dodged yes. but it LASTS 8 SECOUNDS. aka as soon as your dodge ends YOU LOSE STEALTH unless u can jump OUT of the trap’s range before the evade ends.
with a attack radius longer than the trap radius. this means evade wotn work well.

for engineer
analyze.
and detection pulse.

both cant be dodged

there is also the engineer trait LOCK ON.
combine this with a AoE like grenades, or flamethrower. and NO EVADE will be able to outlast this. this will basically cancel stealth perminently unless the theif can get out of range of the engineer.

and guess what. by your logic. evade can counter anything. but u don’t have unlimited evades. they have cooldowns. and a period between evades.

so try again.

You do realize that dodging happens during the Revealed right? It’s not dodging the skill that Reveals the Thief, rather dodging every other skill after getting Revealed.

Even though you have the skill to Revealed them, they will simply dodge around until they can stealth again — and they can stealth more than you can reveal that’s why those reveal skills are useless and not a hard counter.

Do you understand now why Thief needs to be nerfed?

It seems to me that you have not played a Thief.

2 theifs lv 80
1 necro lv 80
3 rangers lv 80
1 rev lv 76
2 engi lv 56 and 80
1 mesmer lv 80
and 1 warrior lv 80

also you jsut bullkittented.
“they can stealth more than you can reveal that’s why those reveal skills are useless and not a hard counter.”

engineer skill lock on. no cooldown AT ALL. just hit the theif.
theif can evade yes. but guess what. it can’t evade 24/7. specially against spammed grenades or flamethrower. which will immediatly hit after the evade ends, blast the stealth to oblivion. and reveal the theif.

the theif will not be able to restealth as the lock on will continue(coupled with the AoE engi skill) to remove stealth

theres also the ranger skill sic em. couple this with the longbow’s 2 skill and after the theif restealths after sic em ends. the longbow will continue to hit the theif. even when stealthed.

also. sic em lasts 10 secounds, applying a 6 SECOUND reveal. if the theif stays in the 2k range. thats 16 secounds of FORCED REVEAL.

necro wells and marks can be used to track a stealthed theif with their spammability

and all AoE pulls (of which warrior, rev, and guardian have) can and will pull it. they can dodge it sure. but thats 1 less dodge when stealth ends

mesmer can summon clones and stealth itself. a theif will have to go through hell to kill it, most likely dying itself due to clone explosions and torment.

and ele can track theif easily by paying attention to the dmg panel to see which of its AoE attacks is hitting for dmg.

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heres a list of stuff to fight a theif with

revenant, hammer, swords, staff.

guardian. GS and that epic staff 1 with tis HUGE arc attack recking stealth.

warrior. Hammer(dem knockdowns), GS, shield(ruin back stab), and STOMP kitten

ranger. sic em, long bow, GS

engineer. lock on. reveal pulse. analyse. flamethrower. grenades.

necro. staff, wells, marks, shroud 4 and 5. GS.

mesmer….ANYTHING

ele. any AoE and evasion. knockdowns 2.

A thief stealthed and backstabbed me for 20k

Faceroll class, should be deleted from game

no counterplay to stealth

No other class lets you 22222222222 to win

My main is a mesmer

was your mesmer “upleveled” aka a lv 20 upleveled to 80 for WvW.

if so, you take more dmg. warrior rifle “kill shot” is famous for its 1 shots…on upleveled players

are you wearing broken armor? or full berserker?

are you not using mesmer stealth or clones?

in all the time i’ve played theif, i’ve never seen backstab do more than 10k. and that 10k was against a player who was under lv 50 who had been upleveled to 80 for WvW….and was still in lv 40 gear.

the normal backstab dmg (keeping in mind a 200% crit dmg and the base backstab dmg) is usually 4-6k to light armor 4-5k for medium armor. and 3-5k for heavy armor.

and thats if u hit their back

if u hit their front. that dmg is cut down to 2k.

stealth, isn’t the thing your complaining about
what you seem to be complaining about. is the 100% crit chance while stealthed.

is it unfair? up to you. i no longer use it cause i prefer crits to heal me a bit. (so i have 40% crit chance…even stealthed)

if you mean in sPvP. then any backstab hit would never go above 6k. unless u missing pieces of your armor.

heart seeker is annoying yes. but its spammable.
aka use blind.
or clones.
or knockdowns.

if u want heartseeker nerfed. thats a different topic.

stealth is fine. heartseeker…….different topic if they spam

also…keep in mind mesmer is a support class. not tank or front line.
theif is sorta designed to hunt glass cannons. like mesmer and ele.
and struggles vs tanks like guardian, warrior, necro.
and is on par with ranger and rev.
and then engineer is a gamble for everyone. but a gamble that was recently buffed to be a theifs WORST nightmare

arenta.2953:

in addition to my above post

if theif was OP….why are other classes used as well in the league?

if theif was as OP as you claim. why doesn’t EVERYONE use it?

There is such thing as play style and player choice — and not EVERYONE can play Thief nor EVERYONE wants to play a profession just because it’s OP.

There are many players who choose to play inferior professions so that they can go to the forums and complain about the Thief’s OPness — which is true.

theif is strong at its given role yes. but its extremely squishy and punishing of mistakes.

Have you ever seen a Thief pet? A Druid can literally put a leash on a Thief and heal them while the Thief wreck havoc by spamming AoE damage using Vault and Bound like a rabid wombat.

its stealth and evasion are all the defense it has.

Um, there’s also swiftness and shadowstep to get out of range and reset. You can’t really kill something you can’t deal damage to.

and it lacks effective AoE skills. or any skills at all to make it able to conduct long duration fights.

lol, seriously? You have not played Thief — this is the proof. I’ve been AoE killing using Vault and Bound. Where have you been?

boss fights, meta events, zergs, or even group combat.
all of these a theif is horrible for.

Speak for yourself. If you’ve seen 10 DD Vaulting and Bounding in a zerg fight, you wouldn’t have that misinformed opinion.

it even lacks a true long range weapon. beign stuck at 900 range.

What is “true” long range weapon? 1200 range? If that is so then Ranger doesn’t have a true long range weapon because they can hit with a Longbow from 1500 range.

what a thief is good at, is 1 on 1, hit and run, and sneaking past mobs in dungeons.

That’s so pre-HoT mentality. Get in with the time man.

all classes have situations they are best at. these are the theives

You are utterly misinformed.

if u try to fight a theif in 1 on 1 and you aren’t a bunker, or AoE build. or bringing one of the skills i posted above.

then you deserve to die. as your literally playing to the theives strength.

Even if you are a bunker, Thief will rip you apart because Thief is OP. They can apply so much pressure because they can hit for 15k-21k within a 3s span. And Thieves even have unblockable skills so blocking will not stop them either.

what is the theif best at killing. berserker set glass cannon players who place no value in defense, durability, or survivability.

You’re so wrong and so outdated.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

in addition to my above post

if theif was OP….why are other classes used as well in the league?

if theif was as OP as you claim. why doesn’t EVERYONE use it?

There is such thing as play style and player choice — and not EVERYONE can play Thief nor EVERYONE wants to play a profession just because it’s OP.

There are many players who choose to play inferior professions so that they can go to the forums and complain about the Thief’s OPness — which is true.

theif is strong at its given role yes. but its extremely squishy and punishing of mistakes.

Have you ever seen a Thief pet? A Druid can literally put a leash on a Thief and heal them while the Thief wreck havoc by spamming AoE damage using Vault and Bound like a rabid wombat.

its stealth and evasion are all the defense it has.

Um, there’s also swiftness and shadowstep to get out of range and reset. You can’t really kill something you can’t deal damage to.

and it lacks effective AoE skills. or any skills at all to make it able to conduct long duration fights.

lol, seriously? You have not played Thief — this is the proof. I’ve been AoE killing using Vault and Bound. Where have you been?

boss fights, meta events, zergs, or even group combat.
all of these a theif is horrible for.

Speak for yourself. If you’ve seen 10 DD Vaulting and Bounding in a zerg fight, you wouldn’t have that misinformed opinion.

it even lacks a true long range weapon. beign stuck at 900 range.

What is “true” long range weapon? 1200 range? If that is so then Ranger doesn’t have a true long range weapon because they can hit with a Longbow from 1500 range.

what a thief is good at, is 1 on 1, hit and run, and sneaking past mobs in dungeons.

That’s so pre-HoT mentality. Get in with the time man.

all classes have situations they are best at. these are the theives

You are utterly misinformed.

if u try to fight a theif in 1 on 1 and you aren’t a bunker, or AoE build. or bringing one of the skills i posted above.

then you deserve to die. as your literally playing to the theives strength.

Even if you are a bunker, Thief will rip you apart because Thief is OP. They can apply so much pressure because they can hit for 15k-21k within a 3s span. And Thieves even have unblockable skills so blocking will not stop them either.

what is the theif best at killing. berserker set glass cannon players who place no value in defense, durability, or survivability.

You’re so wrong and so outdated.

a theif with druid pet is a teamwork combo. so thats different

vault and bound ….wheres the stealth?

and suuuure…i’m sure u see so many vaulting and bounding DDs…..

long range is 1200.

you seem to be complaining about daredevil. not theif.

if your complaint is to theif. say so.
but if it involves daredevil skills. say daredevil as theres a difference. the daredevil trait line doesn’t involve stealth.

so which are u complaining about.

also. keep crying. 3 years theif has been here. its fair. u just need to learn to play.

anyway. seeing as how you’ve resorted to insults. this thread is essentially dead.

added to that the 3 years that theif has been part of the game and not killed off other classes(proving its fair since u see classes other than theif in LEague play)

so…since its dead. i’m signing out. cya~ wouldn’t want to be ya…

i’ll leave this with you though
http://i.imgur.com/67R34zb.gif

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

in addition to my above post

if theif was OP….why are other classes used as well in the league?

if theif was as OP as you claim. why doesn’t EVERYONE use it?

There is such thing as play style and player choice — and not EVERYONE can play Thief nor EVERYONE wants to play a profession just because it’s OP.

There are many players who choose to play inferior professions so that they can go to the forums and complain about the Thief’s OPness — which is true.

theif is strong at its given role yes. but its extremely squishy and punishing of mistakes.

Have you ever seen a Thief pet? A Druid can literally put a leash on a Thief and heal them while the Thief wreck havoc by spamming AoE damage using Vault and Bound like a rabid wombat.

its stealth and evasion are all the defense it has.

Um, there’s also swiftness and shadowstep to get out of range and reset. You can’t really kill something you can’t deal damage to.

and it lacks effective AoE skills. or any skills at all to make it able to conduct long duration fights.

lol, seriously? You have not played Thief — this is the proof. I’ve been AoE killing using Vault and Bound. Where have you been?

boss fights, meta events, zergs, or even group combat.
all of these a theif is horrible for.

Speak for yourself. If you’ve seen 10 DD Vaulting and Bounding in a zerg fight, you wouldn’t have that misinformed opinion.

it even lacks a true long range weapon. beign stuck at 900 range.

What is “true” long range weapon? 1200 range? If that is so then Ranger doesn’t have a true long range weapon because they can hit with a Longbow from 1500 range.

what a thief is good at, is 1 on 1, hit and run, and sneaking past mobs in dungeons.

That’s so pre-HoT mentality. Get in with the time man.

all classes have situations they are best at. these are the theives

You are utterly misinformed.

if u try to fight a theif in 1 on 1 and you aren’t a bunker, or AoE build. or bringing one of the skills i posted above.

then you deserve to die. as your literally playing to the theives strength.

Even if you are a bunker, Thief will rip you apart because Thief is OP. They can apply so much pressure because they can hit for 15k-21k within a 3s span. And Thieves even have unblockable skills so blocking will not stop them either.

what is the theif best at killing. berserker set glass cannon players who place no value in defense, durability, or survivability.

You’re so wrong and so outdated.

Vault and dodge spam works against bads, any decent player will watch for the obvious Vault animation and dodge it. Dodge spam is also kittened because it does less than basic attacks and should only be used to dodge when needed. I play bunker Thief and fear a dagger Thief in a +1 100x more than a Vault spammer because Backstab can’t be stopped, dodge the Vaults and he is doing less than any other damage build on any other class.

This thread is pure gold

arenta.2953:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

in addition to my above post

if theif was OP….why are other classes used as well in the league?

if theif was as OP as you claim. why doesn’t EVERYONE use it?

There is such thing as play style and player choice — and not EVERYONE can play Thief nor EVERYONE wants to play a profession just because it’s OP.

There are many players who choose to play inferior professions so that they can go to the forums and complain about the Thief’s OPness — which is true.

theif is strong at its given role yes. but its extremely squishy and punishing of mistakes.

Have you ever seen a Thief pet? A Druid can literally put a leash on a Thief and heal them while the Thief wreck havoc by spamming AoE damage using Vault and Bound like a rabid wombat.

its stealth and evasion are all the defense it has.

Um, there’s also swiftness and shadowstep to get out of range and reset. You can’t really kill something you can’t deal damage to.

and it lacks effective AoE skills. or any skills at all to make it able to conduct long duration fights.

lol, seriously? You have not played Thief — this is the proof. I’ve been AoE killing using Vault and Bound. Where have you been?

boss fights, meta events, zergs, or even group combat.
all of these a theif is horrible for.

Speak for yourself. If you’ve seen 10 DD Vaulting and Bounding in a zerg fight, you wouldn’t have that misinformed opinion.

it even lacks a true long range weapon. beign stuck at 900 range.

What is “true” long range weapon? 1200 range? If that is so then Ranger doesn’t have a true long range weapon because they can hit with a Longbow from 1500 range.

what a thief is good at, is 1 on 1, hit and run, and sneaking past mobs in dungeons.

That’s so pre-HoT mentality. Get in with the time man.

all classes have situations they are best at. these are the theives

You are utterly misinformed.

if u try to fight a theif in 1 on 1 and you aren’t a bunker, or AoE build. or bringing one of the skills i posted above.

then you deserve to die. as your literally playing to the theives strength.

Even if you are a bunker, Thief will rip you apart because Thief is OP. They can apply so much pressure because they can hit for 15k-21k within a 3s span. And Thieves even have unblockable skills so blocking will not stop them either.

what is the theif best at killing. berserker set glass cannon players who place no value in defense, durability, or survivability.

You’re so wrong and so outdated.

a theif with druid pet is a teamwork combo. so thats different

Correction, the Thief IS the pet.

vault and bound ….wheres the stealth?

What are you talking about? You said Thief is horrible in group combat…why ask about stealth?

Have you gotten lost in the conversation?

and suuuure…i’m sure u see so many vaulting and bounding DDs…..

When’s the last time you went with a zerg in a full server? You might have not seen it because you’re in a low pop server.

long range is 1200.

That’s mid-range. Close range is 600. Short range is 900. Mid range is 1200. Long range is 1500 from Ranger Longbow.

Your data is outdated.

you seem to be complaining about daredevil. not theif.

Daredevil is not a profession.

if your complaint is to theif. say so.

I have done that. Don’t change the subject.

In any given build at least 2/3 is Thief and 1/3 Daredevil. Majority wins, thus Thief is Thief.

but if it involves daredevil skills. say daredevil as theres a difference. the daredevil trait line doesn’t involve stealth.

No, you’re wrong. Thief is Thief. If I do that, then I should be talking about Shadow Arts as if it’s not from a Thief. That’s just silly — and you’re being silly.

so which are u complaining about.

A Vaulting and Bounding Thief and his Druid master.

also. keep crying. 3 years theif has been here. its fair. u just need to learn to play.

Yes, 3 years and it’s still OP and it became a reality-tearing-broken when they released Daredevil. The Thief is now literally destroying the current meta. A Thief and a Druid can 2v5 on a node and can kill all 5 players at the same time.

No crying here, these are tears of anger.

anyway. seeing as how you’ve resorted to insults. this thread is essentially dead.

Saying that you are misinformed is not an insult. It’s the same level as you telling me to learn to play. In the end, Thief is still OP.

added to that the 3 years that theif has been part of the game and not killed off other classes(proving its fair since u see classes other than theif in LEague play)

The only fact is that in the last 3 years that Thief is getting nerfed means that it’s been OP ever since from the very beginning and the nerfing is still not enough due to the new skill the profession have acquired after HoT.

It will take another 3 year before ArenaNet can nerf Thief enough to make it not OP. The Daredevil just threw the last 3 years of nerfs out the window.

so…since its dead. i’m signing out. cya~ wouldn’t want to be ya…

It’s only dead because it was never alive in the first place.

i’ll leave this with you though
http://i.imgur.com/67R34zb.gif

hahaha, so appropriate — it looks like you, good job.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

This thread is pure gold

Too true.

You may have thought that 3 pages in people may have wised up and realised Thief is OP, but nope. I had to re roll reaper cause Thief was too survivable…

glaphen.5230:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

in addition to my above post

if theif was OP….why are other classes used as well in the league?

if theif was as OP as you claim. why doesn’t EVERYONE use it?

There is such thing as play style and player choice — and not EVERYONE can play Thief nor EVERYONE wants to play a profession just because it’s OP.

There are many players who choose to play inferior professions so that they can go to the forums and complain about the Thief’s OPness — which is true.

theif is strong at its given role yes. but its extremely squishy and punishing of mistakes.

Have you ever seen a Thief pet? A Druid can literally put a leash on a Thief and heal them while the Thief wreck havoc by spamming AoE damage using Vault and Bound like a rabid wombat.

its stealth and evasion are all the defense it has.

Um, there’s also swiftness and shadowstep to get out of range and reset. You can’t really kill something you can’t deal damage to.

and it lacks effective AoE skills. or any skills at all to make it able to conduct long duration fights.

lol, seriously? You have not played Thief — this is the proof. I’ve been AoE killing using Vault and Bound. Where have you been?

boss fights, meta events, zergs, or even group combat.
all of these a theif is horrible for.

Speak for yourself. If you’ve seen 10 DD Vaulting and Bounding in a zerg fight, you wouldn’t have that misinformed opinion.

it even lacks a true long range weapon. beign stuck at 900 range.

What is “true” long range weapon? 1200 range? If that is so then Ranger doesn’t have a true long range weapon because they can hit with a Longbow from 1500 range.

what a thief is good at, is 1 on 1, hit and run, and sneaking past mobs in dungeons.

That’s so pre-HoT mentality. Get in with the time man.

all classes have situations they are best at. these are the theives

You are utterly misinformed.

if u try to fight a theif in 1 on 1 and you aren’t a bunker, or AoE build. or bringing one of the skills i posted above.

then you deserve to die. as your literally playing to the theives strength.

Even if you are a bunker, Thief will rip you apart because Thief is OP. They can apply so much pressure because they can hit for 15k-21k within a 3s span. And Thieves even have unblockable skills so blocking will not stop them either.

what is the theif best at killing. berserker set glass cannon players who place no value in defense, durability, or survivability.

You’re so wrong and so outdated.

Vault and dodge spam works against bads, any decent player will watch for the obvious Vault animation and dodge it.

I can Vault 3x and Bound 3x, you can only dodge twice. I only need to hit you 3 times with either and you will take 15k-21k damage…do the math.

Dodge spam is also kittened because it does less than basic attacks and should only be used to dodge when needed.

Denying you damage due to evades while I deal AoE damage that takes 1/3 of your health per hit (if not half) is not kittened.

I play bunker Thief and fear a dagger Thief in a +1 100x more than a Vault spammer because Backstab can’t be stopped, dodge the Vaults and he is doing less than any other damage build on any other class.

Backstab is slow and only hits for 4k the most every 4s. I can Bound 3 times, which looks like Vault which I can use to bait, and if you dodge it, I’ve already won since I will Vault on top of you 3 times in a span of 3s dealing massive damage.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

glaphen.5230:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

in addition to my above post

if theif was OP….why are other classes used as well in the league?

if theif was as OP as you claim. why doesn’t EVERYONE use it?

There is such thing as play style and player choice — and not EVERYONE can play Thief nor EVERYONE wants to play a profession just because it’s OP.

There are many players who choose to play inferior professions so that they can go to the forums and complain about the Thief’s OPness — which is true.

theif is strong at its given role yes. but its extremely squishy and punishing of mistakes.

Have you ever seen a Thief pet? A Druid can literally put a leash on a Thief and heal them while the Thief wreck havoc by spamming AoE damage using Vault and Bound like a rabid wombat.

its stealth and evasion are all the defense it has.

Um, there’s also swiftness and shadowstep to get out of range and reset. You can’t really kill something you can’t deal damage to.

and it lacks effective AoE skills. or any skills at all to make it able to conduct long duration fights.

lol, seriously? You have not played Thief — this is the proof. I’ve been AoE killing using Vault and Bound. Where have you been?

boss fights, meta events, zergs, or even group combat.
all of these a theif is horrible for.

Speak for yourself. If you’ve seen 10 DD Vaulting and Bounding in a zerg fight, you wouldn’t have that misinformed opinion.

it even lacks a true long range weapon. beign stuck at 900 range.

What is “true” long range weapon? 1200 range? If that is so then Ranger doesn’t have a true long range weapon because they can hit with a Longbow from 1500 range.

what a thief is good at, is 1 on 1, hit and run, and sneaking past mobs in dungeons.

That’s so pre-HoT mentality. Get in with the time man.

all classes have situations they are best at. these are the theives

You are utterly misinformed.

if u try to fight a theif in 1 on 1 and you aren’t a bunker, or AoE build. or bringing one of the skills i posted above.

then you deserve to die. as your literally playing to the theives strength.

Even if you are a bunker, Thief will rip you apart because Thief is OP. They can apply so much pressure because they can hit for 15k-21k within a 3s span. And Thieves even have unblockable skills so blocking will not stop them either.

what is the theif best at killing. berserker set glass cannon players who place no value in defense, durability, or survivability.

You’re so wrong and so outdated.

Vault and dodge spam works against bads, any decent player will watch for the obvious Vault animation and dodge it.

I can Vault 3x and Bound 3x, you can only dodge twice. I only need to hit you 3 times with either and you will take 15k-21k damage…do the math.

Dodge spam is also kittened because it does less than basic attacks and should only be used to dodge when needed.

Denying you damage due to evades while I deal AoE damage that takes 1/3 of your health per hit (if not half) is not kittened.

I play bunker Thief and fear a dagger Thief in a +1 100x more than a Vault spammer because Backstab can’t be stopped, dodge the Vaults and he is doing less than any other damage build on any other class.

Backstab is slow and only hits for 4k the most every 4s. I can Bound 3 times, which looks like Vault which I can use to bait, and if you dodge it, I’ve already won since I will Vault on top of you 3 times in a span of 3s dealing massive damage.

Yes if 2 dodges is your only defense and the enemy doesn’t know how to move you do what 12k damage if it all crits, then you have nothing for 5 seconds at least. Backstab is also a guaranteed hit and also has Bound and easy stealth. It looks like Bound to bads but the animation has completely obvious differences.

glaphen.5230:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

glaphen.5230:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

in addition to my above post

if theif was OP….why are other classes used as well in the league?

if theif was as OP as you claim. why doesn’t EVERYONE use it?

There is such thing as play style and player choice — and not EVERYONE can play Thief nor EVERYONE wants to play a profession just because it’s OP.

There are many players who choose to play inferior professions so that they can go to the forums and complain about the Thief’s OPness — which is true.

theif is strong at its given role yes. but its extremely squishy and punishing of mistakes.

Have you ever seen a Thief pet? A Druid can literally put a leash on a Thief and heal them while the Thief wreck havoc by spamming AoE damage using Vault and Bound like a rabid wombat.

its stealth and evasion are all the defense it has.

Um, there’s also swiftness and shadowstep to get out of range and reset. You can’t really kill something you can’t deal damage to.

and it lacks effective AoE skills. or any skills at all to make it able to conduct long duration fights.

lol, seriously? You have not played Thief — this is the proof. I’ve been AoE killing using Vault and Bound. Where have you been?

boss fights, meta events, zergs, or even group combat.
all of these a theif is horrible for.

Speak for yourself. If you’ve seen 10 DD Vaulting and Bounding in a zerg fight, you wouldn’t have that misinformed opinion.

it even lacks a true long range weapon. beign stuck at 900 range.

What is “true” long range weapon? 1200 range? If that is so then Ranger doesn’t have a true long range weapon because they can hit with a Longbow from 1500 range.

what a thief is good at, is 1 on 1, hit and run, and sneaking past mobs in dungeons.

That’s so pre-HoT mentality. Get in with the time man.

all classes have situations they are best at. these are the theives

You are utterly misinformed.

if u try to fight a theif in 1 on 1 and you aren’t a bunker, or AoE build. or bringing one of the skills i posted above.

then you deserve to die. as your literally playing to the theives strength.

Even if you are a bunker, Thief will rip you apart because Thief is OP. They can apply so much pressure because they can hit for 15k-21k within a 3s span. And Thieves even have unblockable skills so blocking will not stop them either.

what is the theif best at killing. berserker set glass cannon players who place no value in defense, durability, or survivability.

You’re so wrong and so outdated.

Vault and dodge spam works against bads, any decent player will watch for the obvious Vault animation and dodge it.

I can Vault 3x and Bound 3x, you can only dodge twice. I only need to hit you 3 times with either and you will take 15k-21k damage…do the math.

Dodge spam is also kittened because it does less than basic attacks and should only be used to dodge when needed.

Denying you damage due to evades while I deal AoE damage that takes 1/3 of your health per hit (if not half) is not kittened.

I play bunker Thief and fear a dagger Thief in a +1 100x more than a Vault spammer because Backstab can’t be stopped, dodge the Vaults and he is doing less than any other damage build on any other class.

Backstab is slow and only hits for 4k the most every 4s. I can Bound 3 times, which looks like Vault which I can use to bait, and if you dodge it, I’ve already won since I will Vault on top of you 3 times in a span of 3s dealing massive damage.

Yes if 2 dodges is your only defense and the enemy doesn’t know how to move you do what 12k damage if it all crits, then you have nothing for 5 seconds at least.

If 12k damage didn’t finish you, I still have 3 utilities and an Elite skill that I haven’t used. I’m sure that after dealing 12k to you and if I followed it with Impact Strike, you’re done.

Backstab is also a guaranteed hit

Maybe so, but you can only BS every 4s at least. Not a good source of damage.

and also has Bound and easy stealth.

While you’re in stealth, you’re just buying me time to gain more initiative for more Vaulting.

It looks like Bound to bads but the animation has completely obvious differences.

So you’re saying that because it’s Bound and not Vault that you will not dodge it?

My Bound can crit for 3k are you sure that you’re not dodging it?

you heard it here folks. 3k crits op.

how can any class compete with that?

sorrychief.2563:

you heard it here folks. 3k crits op.

how can any class compete with that?

kekekeke =D

(Reaper GS 2 skill. so much fun. so high alpha and spammable with no cooldown for as long as it takes to kill target. more alpha than heartseeker at its max)

Wtf is going on…

arenta.2953:

if you mean in sPvP. then any backstab hit would never go above 6k. unless u missing pieces of your armor.

I beg to disagree. In one match, my Thief “one-shotted” another Thief with a 17.888k Backstab. She also downed a Warrior with a 13.347k Backstab at the end of the match. Both were fully armored…

EDIT: It happened on September 1st, 2015.

This is why I said that thieves are op, backstabs damage needs to be nerfed by at least 50%

sorrychief.2563:

you heard it here folks. 3k crits op.

how can any class compete with that?

From a dodge, heck yeah!

What profession can you find that can crit for 3k from their dodge? Even Warrior’s Reckless dodge is nothing compare to this.

Not to mention, Bound buffs your next Physical attack by 10% more damage plus 10% Staff damage because using your Bound depletes endurance and enables Staff Master. Also Bound puts you within the 360 range which enables Havoc Mastery for another 7% damage — this is why Vault hits like a truck.

Then if you add stacks of might and vulnerability to the equation…so OP.

Kageseigi.2150:

arenta.2953:

if you mean in sPvP. then any backstab hit would never go above 6k. unless u missing pieces of your armor.

I beg to disagree. In one match, my Thief “one-shotted” another Thief with a 17.888k Backstab. She also downed a Warrior with a 13.347k Backstab at the end of the match. Both were fully armored…

EDIT: It happened on September 1st, 2015.

You got my attention with that nearly 18k backstab…what the kitten kind of build is that you’re running? Did the enemy have max stacks of vuln and did you have max might stacks or something? I just don’t even see how this is possible but you’ve got screenshots to prove it.

Taxidriver.2043:

staff is so Op I feel like Chuck Norris

Eisenwald.8562:

Kageseigi.2150:

arenta.2953:

if you mean in sPvP. then any backstab hit would never go above 6k. unless u missing pieces of your armor.

I beg to disagree. In one match, my Thief “one-shotted” another Thief with a 17.888k Backstab. She also downed a Warrior with a 13.347k Backstab at the end of the match. Both were fully armored…

EDIT: It happened on September 1st, 2015.

You got my attention with that nearly 18k backstab…what the kitten kind of build is that you’re running? Did the enemy have max stacks of vuln and did you have max might stacks or something? I just don’t even see how this is possible but you’ve got screenshots to prove it.

was the person wearing all their armor pieces?

screenshots tell so very little……

i have a screenshot of my warrior doing 60k crit…….to a naked lv 30 upleveled wvw person

and 227k crit dmg…..to a mosquito(aka those 0 defense things like bunnies)…….

arenta.2953:

Eisenwald.8562:

Kageseigi.2150:

arenta.2953:

if you mean in sPvP. then any backstab hit would never go above 6k. unless u missing pieces of your armor.

I beg to disagree. In one match, my Thief “one-shotted” another Thief with a 17.888k Backstab. She also downed a Warrior with a 13.347k Backstab at the end of the match. Both were fully armored…

EDIT: It happened on September 1st, 2015.

You got my attention with that nearly 18k backstab…what the kitten kind of build is that you’re running? Did the enemy have max stacks of vuln and did you have max might stacks or something? I just don’t even see how this is possible but you’ve got screenshots to prove it.

was the person wearing all their armor pieces?

Which part of “Both were fully armored” didn’t you understand?

Seriously, deny it all you want. The screenshot proves that Thief is OP…and that’s not even Staff #5.

why are there no ‘warrior op’ threads when evis hits harder and scales better than backstab?

I think we might need a guardian OP thread since Mighty Blow is just an aoe backstab!

Guardian has no stealth accessibility, so hush. Thief op.

sorrychief.2563:

why are there no ‘warrior op’ threads when evis hits harder and scales better than backstab?

I think we might need a guardian OP thread since Mighty Blow is just an aoe backstab!

That’s simple; there’s no evidence that can prove that Warrior or Guardian are OP.

Patch after patch, they both get buffs implying that they are weak and useless that they need all the buffs they have received.

The Thief, on the other hand, has been proven time and time again that it is OP, thus the evidence of nerfs to the profession patch after patch.

Surely, you can create a thread calling Warrior or Guardian OP, but no one will believe you. In contrast, it is universally believed that Thief is OP.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

sorrychief.2563:

why are there no ‘warrior op’ threads when evis hits harder and scales better than backstab?

I think we might need a guardian OP thread since Mighty Blow is just an aoe backstab!

That’s simple; there’s no evidence that can prove that Warrior or Guardian are OP.

Patch after patch, they both get buffs implying that they are weak and useless that they need all the buffs they have received.

The Thief, on the other hand, has been proven time and time again that it is OP, thus the evidence of nerfs to the profession patch after patch.

Surely, you can create a thread calling Warrior or Guardian OP, but no one will believe you. In contrast, it is universally believed that Thief is OP.

Ok, im not going to defend the obscene backstab crits ive gotten against level 80’s in WvW, even though i only have exotic sin/zerker. not even full zerker getting easy 13k+ HS>steal>Backstab combos at 100% opponent HP. Two of those nukes down just about anyone, so long as they dont … idk … dodge at the right time. Predicting my actions as a D/D thief who has very little in the way of offensive approach styles with do D/D burst any justice.

Im no pro thief, or pro anything. But theres specific skill set and approach combinations that maximize the offensive stats. If one of those fail, its either climb that hill and hope they arent pro, or wait out some coolies.

Thief op proof provided.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Eisenwald.8562:

Kageseigi.2150:

arenta.2953:

if you mean in sPvP. then any backstab hit would never go above 6k. unless u missing pieces of your armor.

I beg to disagree. In one match, my Thief “one-shotted” another Thief with a 17.888k Backstab. She also downed a Warrior with a 13.347k Backstab at the end of the match. Both were fully armored…

EDIT: It happened on September 1st, 2015.

You got my attention with that nearly 18k backstab…what the kitten kind of build is that you’re running? Did the enemy have max stacks of vuln and did you have max might stacks or something? I just don’t even see how this is possible but you’ve got screenshots to prove it.

was the person wearing all their armor pieces?

Which part of “Both were fully armored” didn’t you understand?

Seriously, deny it all you want. The screenshot proves that Thief is OP…and that’s not even Staff #5.

were they wearing all their armor pieces?

the screenshots you provided just show dmg values. which doesn’t show if they have all their armor

if they missing half their armor, then i can see that dmg.

but with only your word. i don’t believe you.

get a video. or i’ll just assume your friend is playing in half or no armor so u can get screenshots.

hell i could do that and say any class is OP with insane dmg values. and using your logic. i’d claim “they were all in armor”

heck i could claim they were in bunker builds…
and it would be BS. just like your claim.

hell i could photoshop pictures to show whatever dmg i want.

get a video. or you have no proof.

arenta.2953:

were they wearing all their armor pieces?

Well, I didn’t see their undies. Not even skin that I can remember. I would find it odd for two players to both be running without all their armor, though. If they were naked, perhaps, but not just random armor pieces missing.

However, I do practice on naked golems :-)

Eisenwald.8562:

You got my attention with that nearly 18k backstab…what the kitten kind of build is that you’re running? Did the enemy have max stacks of vuln and did you have max might stacks or something? I just don’t even see how this is possible but you’ve got screenshots to prove it.

Signet/Trapper.
25 stacks of Might on me, 10 stacks of Vulnerability on my target.

Complete ambush build. I did feel a bit sorry for the Thief I hit. I say I “one-shotted” him because my Backstab was the only damaging skill I used. Set a Shadow Trap on a point, saw him coming, I ran away like a coward and let him see me go. He tripped the trap, I popped Assassin’s Signet, activated Shadow Pursuit (Shadow Trap), and Trip Wired on top of him. Backstabbed him while he was down. RIP, Thief :-(

However, I was proud of my Warrior kill. We were locked in a duel on point. He nearly got me a few times. But my traps cooled off, and I decided to lay one as I was running through the point. He triggered it, and I was able to get my shot in. Sadly, it usually doesn’t work that way.

Anyway, here are pics of the build. And I’d change some of the traits if I’d want a chance at an even higher damaging Backstab, but this one is dependable. I’d also go with Scholar runes after the Vamp nerf. By the way, I have sigils of Force and Impact on my Dagger/Pistol.

The bottom line… Thief is definitely OP at defending a point. Even more than D/D Elementalist ever was… well, you know… if the opponent stops moving, suspects nothing, drops his guard, doesn’t set traps/wells/marks around him, or have invulnerabilities/passive defenses that ignore CC.

Never been one to call out for nerfs on a class, I think only broken things like Ice Bow have ever really deserved it.

But I would like to know what allows a single thief to go right through an entire WvW zerg dodge rolling non-stop taking little to no damage whilst healing back to full health when a hit would land. I couldn’t believe what I was watching, infinite dodge rolls?

Essentially how does a zerg stop it? How do you counter this? Nothing seemed to work.