Any thoughts about the implications for new d/d or sw/d builds with this setup?
It’s a waste. Not worth it. You break like a graham cracker.
Welcome to backstab.
EDIT: Will get better when Opal orbs get fixed.
It’s great 50% crit 90 crit dmg with your build tupro
Would not trade power for anything.
in pve or spvp? in pve its pathetic, i already have 100% crit chance with a disc banner and fury in full berserkers so why would i give up power to get precision i dont need? i cant comment for spvp.
Assassin’s + Knight’s, 65% critical chance at +70% damage, and you don’t drop like a rock.
Berserker > Assassin, especially when you are spending at least 30 points into Critical Strikes.
Straight Assassin isn’t really very appealing. It’s just too much crit. Pure Berserker’s for your glassies is still where it’s at. For builds/professions that are mixing their gear from different sets, Assassin is a nice alternative to Rampager’s. It gives you that big surge of extra crit chance, without the wasted condition damage. Still, since a lot of those non-thief builds that just have to crit every time are probably doing it for the conditions, Rampager’s isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
For Thief, crit is really just bonus damage. There may have been a time when we could work some sigils into a fine crit build, but that’s little more than debatable history now. None of our traits make it any more appealing. Power wins in terms of core damage, while crit and crit damage just makes it better. So, Berserker’s all the way for your direct damage bumps.
Using your build vs a berserkers set and pretending we have all ascended gear where ascended is available, even if assassins pieces dont exist there yet..
No might
2259 power
70% crit chance
100% crit damage
(2259+ 250) * ((1 * .3) + ((1.5+ 1) * .7)= 5143.45
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYEQRAoY8YlUmiO3ey5E/5Ey2jdqCJK/DklODaqlA-j0BBYfDiO5pIasVRFRjVXDT5iIq2ebY1G0JSKgyFGB-w
2038 power
80% crit chance
100% crit damage
(2038+ 250) * ((1 * .2) + ((1.5+ 1) * .8)= 5033.6
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYEQRAoY8YlUmiO3ey5E/5Ey2jdqCJK/DklODaqlA-j0BBoiDiORqIasVRFRjVTjIqWXDzebY1G0JSKgyVGB-w
21 might stacks
(2259+ 250+ (35* 21)) * ((1 * .3) + ((1.5+ 1) * .7)= 6650.2
(2038+ 250+ (35* 21)) * ((1 * .2) + ((1.5+ 1) * .8)= 6650.6
The assassins set needs 21 stacks of might and 25 stacks of bloodlust to win, totally not worth it.
Edit before going to sleep:
Just realized the crit chance on the berserker set is to high for oil, gogo waking up at 4am for work and being tired at 8pm…
If you use stones with the berserker set the assassins set cant ever win, heres the 21 might set with stones instead of oils.
(2356+ 250+ (35* 21)) * ((1 * .3) + ((1.5+ 1) * .7)= 6849.05
(edited by wish.1027)
@Wish
I get the math, but you need to remember that this is for this specific build. I believe Assassin’s armor with a mixture of Zerk Trinkets is a nice balance. You will crit more, giving your on crit sigils to proc more often. Your analysis of assassin’s vs Zerk is for this build only.
Higher critchance might’ve been worth it in some builds before they nerfed some of the on crit food buffs. 50-60% Crt% is usually where I stay at and feel it’s plenty for any build.
Considering thieves have access to a guarantied crit, I think Assassin stats are far less useful to glass cannon thieves then Berserker stats as opposed to other classes.
Power > Precision in almost all situations. Any build that you mix Knight and Assassin would be better just by swapping to Berserker.
The choice between Berserker and Valkyrie is trading Vit with Prec without touching Power – which is acceptable.
The choice between Berserker and Assassin is trading Power with Prec — this is not acceptable in any build.
The choice between Berserker and Valkyrie is trading Vit with Prec without touching Power – which is acceptable.
Using a bunch of Valkyrie gear is never acceptable.
N E V E R
Soldiers with Berserkers gives more damage and defense than Berserkers with Valkyrie.
@Wish
I get the math, but you need to remember that this is for this specific build. I believe Assassin’s armor with a mixture of Zerk Trinkets is a nice balance. You will crit more, giving your on crit sigils to proc more often. Your analysis of assassin’s vs Zerk is for this build only.
My analysis shows that with this build that stacks tons of power in traits, full bloodlust and full might stacks, berserkers still wins. Once you remove those traits in power berserkers only gets even better than assassins…. seriously, assassins can never win.
And if you seriously think thats a nice balance, then maybe you should do the math and show it to us so we can know if its really a good mix or not. Here, I will even help you out:
(power + bloodlust + (35 * might stacks)) *
((1 * .nonecritchance) + ((1.5 + .critdamage) * .critchance)) = damage
GL <3
Higher critchance might’ve been worth it in some builds before they nerfed some of the on crit food buffs. 50-60% Crt% is usually where I stay at and feel it’s plenty for any build.
You should never talk about your feelings in a discussion about math, what are you, a girl?
(edited by wish.1027)
The choice between Berserker and Valkyrie is trading Vit with Prec without touching Power – which is acceptable.
Using a bunch of Valkyrie gear is never acceptable.
That wasn’t my point. I was merely comparing the trade-offs. >.<’
Note the word “trading”.
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