Guild Wars 2

get the 15% damage nerf to Pistol Whip reverted? Since the whole reason Pistol Whip was nerfed in the first place was because of quickness. Food nerf also hurt PW a lot, I don’t see a reason why the damage can’t be upped now.

This ^ Pw needs some luv now…

This is what I’ve been saying.
S/P needs attention pronto.
S/D still looking for some in spvp as well but man oh man, that haste nerf.
People walk out of it as if I was using it without haste.
So what do?
Stop using haste.
Nothing gives anything significant save wot? Ambush trap.
God kitten

I do not believe I’ve seen A.Net undo a nerf at any point in their entire history as a company.

Which is to say, no, they won’t.

I too don’t recall that ever happening in GW1.

Ensign.2189:

I do not believe I’ve seen A.Net undo a nerf at any point in their entire history as a company.

Which is to say, no, they won’t.

elixir gun

Please do this, having pistol whip deal less dps than autoattacking over a period of time is just stupid.

Every other class was affected by this nerf. The warriors were hurt the most since a lot use it.

Thieves have MANY other viable alternatives and if all else fail..restealth restealth resteathl and use the weapon. abilities that have no cooldowns unlike every other class in the game.

If you thought the thief ‘nerfs’ in this patch were significant..I’m afraid you were relying too much on handicaps.

XII.9401:

Every other class was affected by this nerf. The warriors were hurt the most since a lot use it.

Thieves have MANY other viable alternatives and if all else fail..restealth restealth resteathl and use the weapon. abilities that have no cooldowns unlike every other class in the game.

If you thought the thief ‘nerfs’ in this patch were significant..I’m afraid you were relying too much on handicaps.

100b still hits for more than auto-attack.

PW does not.

Blacksarevok.8104:

XII.9401:

Every other class was affected by this nerf. The warriors were hurt the most since a lot use it.

Thieves have MANY other viable alternatives and if all else fail..restealth restealth resteathl and use the weapon. abilities that have no cooldowns unlike every other class in the game.

If you thought the thief ‘nerfs’ in this patch were significant..I’m afraid you were relying too much on handicaps.

100b still hits for more than auto-attack.

PW does not.

PW still stuns.
100b does not.

A 0.5s stun that happens after a big delay and so isn’t even worthy enough to be an interrupt skill isn’t that much to talk about compared to a skill that does twice as much damage.

XII.9401:

Every other class was affected by this nerf. The warriors were hurt the most since a lot use it.

Thieves have MANY other viable alternatives and if all else fail..restealth restealth resteathl and use the weapon. abilities that have no cooldowns unlike every other class in the game.

If you thought the thief ‘nerfs’ in this patch were significant..I’m afraid you were relying too much on handicaps.

how dare you say that the warrior was hurt with this nerf! thier banners got twice as strong, kick skill got buffed and quickness was extended for 1 sec. we got reveal and basilisk venom was nerfed! our main source of damage got nerfed! I have a main thief and a dungeon warrior with witch I recently joined spvp. I got supriced how easy this class is it’s totally overpowered in both pve (reason why I roled one for dungeons) but even more in spvp its insane, there is only competition from other warriors.

kaazdinasty.8120:

how dare you say that the warrior was hurt with this nerf! thier banners got twice as strong, kick skill got buffed and quickness was extended for 1 sec. we got reveal and basilisk venom was nerfed! our main source of damage got nerfed! I have a main thief and a dungeon warrior with witch I recently joined spvp. I got supriced how easy this class is it’s totally overpowered in both pve (reason why I roled one for dungeons) but even more in spvp its insane, there is only competition from other warriors.

Warrior still sucks most in pvp. If you are succesful with it, your opponents are most likely not very good. To be clear, I´m talking about 1v1.

And yes, the quickness nerf hits warriors the hardest, because their most viable option, even though it was already quite bad, has lost it’s potential by half.

People use OP like it doesn’t mean anything these days.

Apart from this, thief did take a big hit this patch, most likely the biggest hit of all. I agree with PW needing a buff.

Cygnus.6903:

kaazdinasty.8120:

how dare you say that the warrior was hurt with this nerf! thier banners got twice as strong, kick skill got buffed and quickness was extended for 1 sec. we got reveal and basilisk venom was nerfed! our main source of damage got nerfed! I have a main thief and a dungeon warrior with witch I recently joined spvp. I got supriced how easy this class is it’s totally overpowered in both pve (reason why I roled one for dungeons) but even more in spvp its insane, there is only competition from other warriors.

Warrior still sucks most in pvp. If you are succesful with it, your opponents are most likely not very good. To be clear, I´m talking about 1v1.

And yes, the quickness nerf hits warriors the hardest, because their most viable option, even though it was already quite bad, has lost it’s potential by half.

People use OP like it doesn’t mean anything these days.

Apart from this, thief did take a big hit this patch, most likely the biggest hit of all. I agree with PW needing a buff.

Both took hits lets not make this a who got hit harder convo. Both classes are kittened right now and need fixing.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Blacksarevok.8104:

XII.9401:

Every other class was affected by this nerf. The warriors were hurt the most since a lot use it.

Thieves have MANY other viable alternatives and if all else fail..restealth restealth resteathl and use the weapon. abilities that have no cooldowns unlike every other class in the game.

If you thought the thief ‘nerfs’ in this patch were significant..I’m afraid you were relying too much on handicaps.

100b still hits for more than auto-attack.

PW does not.

PW still stuns.
100b does not.

Would you rather have 100b deal less than auto-attack damage in trade for a .5 stun that has a .5 second delay before it even hits?

I didn’t think so.

0.75s delay please.

Another Mug victim. Seek help.

Aberrant.6749:

Both took hits lets not make this a who got hit harder convo. Both classes are kittened right now and need fixing.

You’re right, I just can’t help myself whenever I see somebody talking about warriors like that (playing War, Thief and Mesmer myself).

Thief is mostly screwed in PvE right now though. PvP is more or less ok if you ask me.

Cygnus.6903:

kaazdinasty.8120:

how dare you say that the warrior was hurt with this nerf! thier banners got twice as strong, kick skill got buffed and quickness was extended for 1 sec. we got reveal and basilisk venom was nerfed! our main source of damage got nerfed! I have a main thief and a dungeon warrior with witch I recently joined spvp. I got supriced how easy this class is it’s totally overpowered in both pve (reason why I roled one for dungeons) but even more in spvp its insane, there is only competition from other warriors.

Warrior still sucks most in pvp. If you are succesful with it, your opponents are most likely not very good. To be clear, I´m talking about 1v1.

And yes, the quickness nerf hits warriors the hardest, because their most viable option, even though it was already quite bad, has lost it’s potential by half.

People use OP like it doesn’t mean anything these days.

Apart from this, thief did take a big hit this patch, most likely the biggest hit of all. I agree with PW needing a buff.

It’s about undoing a prior nerf, not getting a buff.

See Pistol Whip as it was at launch + haste was extremely powerful. People cried OP, so they nerfed Pistol Whip, when the problem was quickness all along. The nerf made it so that pistol whip WITHOUT quickness wasn’t very useful, only useful for evading attacks of a mob that could not be blinded essentially.

The stun isn’t that great, you spend 0.75s before a 0.5s stun goes off and then get rooted for 1.65s. 1s of which you evade (meaning there’s 0.15s between the stun ending and evade starting that you can get hit and interrupted with a knockdown.

The nerf made it so that the main damage on the set was autoattack, every other skill was basically utility skills. Every other weapon set for every other class, your autoattack is your weakest weapon skill. For Sword Thieves, it’s highest dps.

They tackled the real problem finally for instagibbing with PW, so give us back PW damage when not using quickness.

Completely agree. The original problem with PW builds was quickness. Now that quickness has been nerfed, I think it’s pretty reasonable for Pistol Whip’s numbers to be reverted to their original values.

Ensign.2189:

I do not believe I’ve seen A.Net undo a nerf at any point in their entire history as a company.

I was wrong when I said this. Usually, they try something different when they un-nerf something, but they have reversed nerfs before.

In particular, Mind Blast received a really crippling nerf back in GW1 that was later reversed alongside some other changes.

These changes do get reversed when it the evidence from the field makes it clear it was a mistake. So don’t lose hope, it could happen.

In the case of Pistol Whip, I personally don’t want to see the damage nerf undone. Instead, I’d like to see the half second delay before the stun lands shortened, which will both improve the DPS of the skill when weaved into a combo, as well as empowering the stun aspect of the skill.

Still, yes, a lot of things that were being held back by quickness can be buffed now, let’s hope that happens.

Saital.4819:

Completely agree. The original problem with PW builds was quickness. Now that quickness has been nerfed, I think it’s pretty reasonable for Pistol Whip’s numbers to be reverted to their original values.

Unload too. I’m pretty sure it was nerfed during betas because of Hasted Unloads too.

Devildoc.6721:

It’s about undoing a prior nerf, not getting a buff.

What you’re saying will effectively be the same as what I’m saying. I’m just leaving the option for them to buff PW in another way. The damage can be upped, sure, but they can also buff the way the skill works. Either way, it needs work.

PW + Haste as it was, was indeed pretty powerful but the ability without it is pretty bad, like slomo without the cool effect. Now its not as good either and verging on the useless section once more. Remove the root. Auto-attacking backstabs that do double damage are probably the most OP about thieves and it almost seems we’re being corralled into using that. But no worries I’ll just try different things – the mighty Ambush was out in sPvP last night – FEAR ME COWARDS….lol, was interesting though.

The global nerf of quickness wasn’t needed. They should have specifically nerfed the Mesmer/Warrior ones because of CoF p1 – but the ranger and thief pendants were fine. “Nobody” was using [Haste] 24/7 in sPvP/WvW…

At least give us our pistol whip damage (15%) back to give an alternative to d/d; SB.

Ambush would also be pretty interesting if we could position it within a range.

Cygnus.6903:

Devildoc.6721:

It’s about undoing a prior nerf, not getting a buff.

What you’re saying will effectively be the same as what I’m saying. I’m just leaving the option for them to buff PW in another way. The damage can be upped, sure, but they can also buff the way the skill works. Either way, it needs work.

I don’t like that autoattack is the highest dps skill on the set. Frankly it’s silly. Autoattack is meant to conserve initiative while still being able to do damage, not be your best damage and you only use initiative to do utility skill stuff. It defeats the purpose of initiative, which is to be able to do burst damage by using the same skill multiple times in a row.

When using the same skill multiple times in a row does less damage than just standing there autoattacking, the system is BROKEN.

Devildoc.6721:

See Pistol Whip as it was at launch + haste was extremely powerful. People cried OP, so they nerfed Pistol Whip, when the problem was quickness all along.

This. It’s kinda funny actually. When the nerfed PW, I specifically recall everyone saying that this was going to happen…

Ensign.2189:

In the case of Pistol Whip, I personally don’t want to see the damage nerf undone. Instead, I’d like to see the half second delay before the stun lands shortened, which will both improve the DPS of the skill when weaved into a combo, as well as empowering the stun aspect of the skill.

That would have the added benifit of allowing the skill to be intentionally used for its evade. As it stands now, the evade portion is more incidental, as only the most telegraphed attacks can be intentionally evaded with it.

i fully support the idea of S/P being buff i don’t understand why it nerf to begin with it such a garbage attack. no offence to anyone that play S/P but attack that flashy spin my pistol someone well everyone else kitten your hp. just seem odd to me lol.

You guise do realize that when doing the spike dmg sequence you had to basically pop 3-4 skills and CDs? …. Then, IF you didn’t miss the Basilisk (a must…enforced on the build to make CnD or BS easier) , you’d go on and CnD, if you didn;t miss that, you’d move around the target and do a Backstab (that can also miss), and all this in the time basilisk was up, dancing thru AOE maybe and in the case the target just stood there like a kitten hippo with a target on it’s back waiting for you to carry on with your amazing plan… COMMON ANET! WTF?!

Sooooo fed up with having to change everything due to reckless nerfs …

Take this guy for example:

“Teamkiller.4315:
Am I calling them OP? No. However, what I am saying is that they suddenly are immune to half the enemy’s dps, especially physical projectiles, in stealth, and enemies cannot reliably hit them with gap closers until it’s too late and they can escape.”

I doubt he plays thief. Two statements he made gave him away tbh. A thief has ZERO staying power…thats why we RUN and HIDE and not STAY cuz we can’t FACETANK, or do illussions and BUFF ourselves with SHIELDS and CHAINDODGE and sorts.

Thief is a PLAY STYLE as a PROFESSION!

Basically what QQers want is to kill thieves and they can’t cuz they run.

Fatali.4819:

Ensign.2189:

In the case of Pistol Whip, I personally don’t want to see the damage nerf undone. Instead, I’d like to see the half second delay before the stun lands shortened, which will both improve the DPS of the skill when weaved into a combo, as well as empowering the stun aspect of the skill.

That would have the added benifit of allowing the skill to be intentionally used for its evade. As it stands now, the evade portion is more incidental, as only the most telegraphed attacks can be intentionally evaded with it.

It’s a good idea, I’d even be okay with just speeding the entire animation up 15%. Though honestly just increasing the damage by 15% would be the easiest solution, even if just temporary until they can implement something better.

Ensign.2189:

In the case of Pistol Whip, I personally don’t want to see the damage nerf undone. Instead, I’d like to see the half second delay before the stun lands shortened, which will both improve the DPS of the skill when weaved into a combo, as well as empowering the stun aspect of the skill.

Still, yes, a lot of things that were being held back by quickness can be buffed now, let’s hope that happens.

I do appreciate significant design changes. Though the shock of losing haste made me want some quick fixes.
I wish there was a “fan” type of combo finisher. Every time I Pistol whip in a Smoke field I wish I could fan out some blind.