Guild Wars 2

There’s gonna be so many LB rangers in WvW now.

Where did you read this?

Patch notes on front page of GW2

i had to double check i went to the thief sub-forum, haha.

i guess i’ll start:

Stealth is a broken mechanic, rangers are OP!!

apparently I am blind…or just bad at reading because I missed that the first time reading through. Interesting…

Rangers are the new thieves, gives me reason to dust out my ranger again. A thief shot me at 1500 range and then stealthed, thieves are OP, nerf them. Realize folks that if a stealther shoots you at 1800 range, its not a thief, we can only hit you or pull you at 900 now.

Anet, you might as well make all our stuff range of 300, we will survive. Fact is, instead of fixing the real problems with thieves, you deflect with your pride, but I digress.

Please also give rangers a utility stealth and sniper shot (shot from stealth)

Remorseless: This trait now reapplies Opening Strike when the ranger gains stealth or kills an enemy.

To me this says WHEN they get stealth which says that someone has to stealth them i.e. the Thief. Nothing says that they can stealth themselves…….

sinderhella.5680:

Remorseless: This trait now reapplies Opening Strike when the ranger gains stealth or kills an enemy.

To me this says WHEN they get stealth which says that someone has to stealth them i.e. the Thief. Nothing says that they can stealth themselves…….

Hunter’s Shot: This skill no longer applies vulnerability on each hit, but now grantss the ranger stealth for 3 seconds.

3s duration 12s cooldown, they’ll have 25% stealth uptime at no ini cost. and best of all it’s 1500 range.

They can reduce the cd to 9 seconds via traits. I’m hoping that the shot has to actually land to stealth, or it’s going to be fairly OP.

Pretty much when you see them stealth, they are doing one of two things: setting up for burst or trying to escape/gain distance.

Other classes will have more issues with their stealth than thieves. They’ll be more annoying for sure, for thieves, but if you’re a X/D user, you can CnD off their pet (unless they’re smart enough to recall it long enough to pull it out of your melee range).

The good rangers will be tougher for it, and the rest will take a little longer to kill. If you have any points in trickery, you can opt for the 1500 range steal. That will help keep them in arms reach if they’re being pesky.

lol guess I am blind too!

if they trait to 9s cooldown, won’t they have 50% stealth uptime assuming the cooldown starts when they start teh stealth and not when it ends..

OP!!

It’s honestly not that big a deal. This stealth will mostly be used for getting in the second attack (Maul) without being interrupted, or for running away with (Swoop). Besides, 3 seconds is not that much at all. What makes the Thief so good at stealth, is its ability to chain stealth skills together, which of curse, the Ranger can not do.

When you read into the patch, what’s more interesting is actually that, getting stealth guarantees a critical hit on your next hit, with the trait Remorseless. This could, potentially, make direct damage Rangers compete with burst Thieves.

I have to admit, the new thief class called ranger is very welcoming for group wvw. Longbow, X/H, means perma stealth when paired with a thief, best blast finisher for combo starters, sprint, might, vigor + whatever the field was. 1500 range weapon, your choice of sword for evade, leap forward, backwards, axe for mid ranged debuffing. Plus a pet. Sweet.

Dont nerf the new Ranger Thieves.

Blinds will reduce the efficiency of the new abilities. If you don’t have any in your build, now is a good time to get at least one. (this is assuming that the stealth triggers on a hit, and not simply using the skill)

edit: I will say I like the new Shadow Strike, since I’m a P/D user. :P

I will say one new skill for rangers that makes me sad, is:

Point Blank Shot: Increased the range from 600 to 900.

Ranger’s point blank shot is our maximum range on anything except traited steal.

I think it’s cool and it fits them just fine. What buffs rangers get are irrelevant to the performance of the Thief.

I’m fairly sure that the shot has to land in order to stealth, so it won’t be an OP skill but a learn to play issue for you. Dodge the shot in order to prevent him from stealthing. Just adapt the new situation. Nothing OP here.

Am I the only one here who knows that this wont really help, and that good rangers still wont be using ranged weapons?

Wow, perma stealth thiefs crying about 1 stealth for us rangers. It was an update needed for far to long.

I have a ranger alt (bunker type), and the rangers that usually give me issues are melee bunker with good healing. If a bow ranger with 1500 range catches me unaware at max range, then they do cause some hurt, but good situational awareness can mitigate that.

Kasama.8941:

It’s honestly not that big a deal. This stealth will mostly be used for getting in the second attack (Maul) without being interrupted, or for running away with (Swoop). Besides, 3 seconds is not that much at all. What makes the Thief so good at stealth, is its ability to chain stealth skills together, which of curse, the Ranger can not do.

When you read into the patch, what’s more interesting is actually that, getting stealth guarantees a critical hit on your next hit, with the trait Remorseless. This could, potentially, make direct damage Rangers compete with burst Thieves.

I don’t think it will compete with burst thieves, as a weapon swap is also included. You can use this with maul only every 28 seconds or so. It was intended for the lonbow I think, and at 30 points in Marksmanship it will reset with remorseless and crit on the next attack (granted it hits). It adds nice play, but don’t think it is anything OP or gamebraking.

Rufy.6093:

Wow, perma stealth thiefs crying about 1 stealth for us rangers. It was an update needed for far to long.

Here’s a clue. The majority of us in this thread aren’t crying about it. We’re speculating on how the mechanics are going to work, and ways to counter it.

Second clue: Not all thieves are perma-stealth thieves.

Third Clue: Go back to the ranger boards please.

folly dragon.4126:

I have to admit, the new thief class called ranger is very welcoming for group wvw. Longbow, X/H, means perma stealth when paired with a thief, best blast finisher for combo starters, sprint, might, vigor + whatever the field was. 1800 range weapon, your choice of sword for evade, leap forward, backwards, axe for mid ranged debuffing. Plus a pet. Sweet.

Dont nerf the new Ranger Thieves.

And yet they cry about thieves…

Geiir.7603:

folly dragon.4126:

I have to admit, the new thief class called ranger is very welcoming for group wvw. Longbow, X/H, means perma stealth when paired with a thief, best blast finisher for combo starters, sprint, might, vigor + whatever the field was. 1800 range weapon, your choice of sword for evade, leap forward, backwards, axe for mid ranged debuffing. Plus a pet. Sweet.

Dont nerf the new Ranger Thieves.

And yet they cry about thieves…

You obviously didn’t play ranger if you think half of what folly dragon is saying is correct.

hey thieves!
i dont realy like this stealth thing, because i dont like that mechanism. but finaly we got something. but dont worry, u still have more damage and invisibility as us.
AND we need 3 trait in 2 lines to use it with full powe (or 4 in 3 lines if u use it with maul)

McWolfy.5924:

hey thieves!
i dont realy like this stealth thing, because i dont like that mechanism. but finaly we got something. but dont worry, u still have more damage and invisibility as us.
AND we need 3 trait in 2 lines to use it with full powe (or 4 in 3 lines if u use it with maul)

I think you’re going to find that any decent thief won’t have any real complaints about what rangers are getting, stealth wise. Most of the complaints will be knee-jerk reactions and from thieves that play a one trick pony spec.

Edit: Most thieves are still upset over losing 1200 range cluster bomb, though. Rangers that go for 1500 longbow range, will have a 600 range advantage.

Thank Anet for fixing P/P Thief. No word can describe my overwhelm feeling. Oh wait I didn’t know Thief has pets.

Fade.7658:

Edit: Most thieves are still upset over losing 1200 range cluster bomb, though. Rangers that go for 1500 longbow range, will have a 600 range advantage.

As are rangers for losing range on all shortbow skills.

wish.1027:

Am I the only one here who knows that this wont really help, and that good rangers still wont be using ranged weapons?

This update entices good rangers to use ranged weapons.

How long will it last? Who knows.

As far as I know, this should have been a Thief skill using Rifle.

No (legitimate) person is crying about it. It’s kinda fun.

nagymbear.5280:

Fade.7658:

Edit: Most thieves are still upset over losing 1200 range cluster bomb, though. Rangers that go for 1500 longbow range, will have a 600 range advantage.

As are rangers for losing range on all shortbow skills.

I can sympathize there. However, thieves are now the only class without a 1200 ranged attack (the traited 1500 steal doesn’t come close to counting). Thieves were promised a bit more mobility some time ago, but I haven’t seen enough to really counter the loss of our only 1200 range attack.

Edit: My opinion of course.

Longbow is 1200 range base. Grandmaster trait eagle eye gives 300 extra range. Remorseless trait is also a grandmaster trait so if anything you will be seeing more longbow rangers with 1200 range since most will take remorseless now.

Well…I am pleased. How about you guys?

Boomstin.3460:

Longbow is 1200 range base. Grandmaster trait eagle eye gives 300 extra range. Remorseless trait is also a grandmaster trait so if anything you will be seeing more longbow rangers with 1200 range since most will take remorseless now.

That’s likely, but it also may depend on the venue. I think many rangers will opt to retain 1500 range in WvW.

Why is this in the Thief forum? So you can try and rally your mates to make them shout ‘OP!! NERFFFF!!!!’

Requesting that a mod take this to the Ranger forum please

Boomstin.3460:

Longbow is 1200 range base. Grandmaster trait eagle eye gives 300 extra range. Remorseless trait is also a grandmaster trait so if anything you will be seeing more longbow rangers with 1200 range since most will take remorseless now.

Eagle eye is not a grandmaster trait. So they can take both. But they have to choose between beastmasters signet, which is one way to kitten long range shot, and remorseless, which is another one. Some already say it will account for nothing, as most people run beastmaster’s signet for the damage increase on the signets to affect the ranger as well.

Bryzy.2719:

Why is this in the Thief forum? So you can try and rally your mates to make them shout ‘OP!! NERFFFF!!!!’

Requesting that a mod take this to the Ranger forum please

You obviously have trouble with reading comprehension. One or two people are complaining about this. The rest are holding a discussion totally different from your claims of trying to rally thieves to shout nerf or OP. (even if it were the case, Anet is not going to make changes based on forum complaints)

Go back to the ranger board yourself, where you belong.

nagymbear.5280:

Eagle eye is not a grandmaster trait. So they can take both. But they have to choose between beastmasters signet, which is one way to kitten long range shot, and remorseless, which is another one. Some already say it will account for nothing, as most people run beastmaster’s signet for the damage increase on the signets to affect the ranger as well.

Ah, yes my bad. Eagle eye is a master trait.

Bryzy.2719:

Why is this in the Thief forum? So you can try and rally your mates to make them shout ‘OP!! NERFFFF!!!!’

Requesting that a mod take this to the Ranger forum please

No need to be scared that they will take it from you, before the patch has even
begun. Also it won’t/shouldn’t happen since there are several “nerv thieves” threads
“to aspekt x/y/z” in several other class forums.

Fade.7658:

nagymbear.5280:

Fade.7658:

Edit: Most thieves are still upset over losing 1200 range cluster bomb, though. Rangers that go for 1500 longbow range, will have a 600 range advantage.

As are rangers for losing range on all shortbow skills.

I can sympathize there. However, thieves are now the only class without a 1200 ranged attack (the traited 1500 steal doesn’t come close to counting). Thieves were promised a bit more mobility some time ago, but I haven’t seen enough to really counter the loss of our only 1200 range attack.

Edit: My opinion of course.

Some stange range setup across classes. Longbow is not 1200 on warrior, rifle is not 1200 on engineer, grenades can be thrown farther then any longbow can fire, or an axe or dagger can be thrown, greatsword on mesmer has 1200 range.

As for mobility, I think thieves have a few ways to get in someones face through shadowsteps and steal. Yeah the ranged options are a bit lackluster, as most of the ranged weapons seem to be for mid range. No offense but I can live with thieves not having the 1200 range option, seeing how powerful they are in melee.

Trolls begone. Stop derailing a good discussion thread.

Back to topic.

I can already hear the cries why “Hide in Plain Sight” didn’t work because of Revealed debuff.

lol

folly dragon.4126:

~snip~
Please also give rangers a utility stealth and sniper shot (shot from stealth)

Since remorseless was changed to reapply opening strike whenever a ranger stealths, any attack used during or after stealth is essentially the same as a stealth shot since they get a 100% crit plus application of vuln.

Fade.7658:

Bryzy.2719:

Why is this in the Thief forum? So you can try and rally your mates to make them shout ‘OP!! NERFFFF!!!!’

Requesting that a mod take this to the Ranger forum please

You obviously have trouble with reading comprehension. One or two people are complaining about this. The rest are holding a discussion totally different from your claims of trying to rally thieves to shout nerf or OP. (even if it were the case, Anet is not going to make changes based on forum complaints)

Go back to the ranger board yourself, where you belong.

You imply that I was referencing what is talked about in the thread. I’m actually referencing your intentions as the original poster.

If I am wrong about why you started this thread, then why post it on here instead of the Ranger forums?

Ranger board where I belong? Yes I play Ranger, but I also play an 80 Thief, Warrior and Guardian. You are not helping the stereotype that people who main a Thief have a bad attitude.

nagymbear.5280:

Fade.7658:

nagymbear.5280:

Fade.7658:

Edit: Most thieves are still upset over losing 1200 range cluster bomb, though. Rangers that go for 1500 longbow range, will have a 600 range advantage.

As are rangers for losing range on all shortbow skills.

I can sympathize there. However, thieves are now the only class without a 1200 ranged attack (the traited 1500 steal doesn’t come close to counting). Thieves were promised a bit more mobility some time ago, but I haven’t seen enough to really counter the loss of our only 1200 range attack.

Edit: My opinion of course.

Some stange range setup across classes. Longbow is not 1200 on warrior, rifle is not 1200 on engineer, grenades can be thrown farther then any longbow can fire, or an axe or dagger can be thrown, greatsword on mesmer has 1200 range.

As for mobility, I think thieves have a few ways to get in someones face through shadowsteps and steal. Yeah the ranged options are a bit lackluster, as most of the ranged weapons seem to be for mid range. No offense but I can live with thieves not having the 1200 range option, seeing how powerful they are in melee.

I wasn’t really affected by the shortbow changes, as I run kind of a weird P/D + P/D setup. I just would like to have a decent ranged option available, since P/P is so anemic, and near worthless in any sort of WvW or PvP setting.

Bryzy.2719:

Fade.7658:

Bryzy.2719:

Why is this in the Thief forum? So you can try and rally your mates to make them shout ‘OP!! NERFFFF!!!!’

Requesting that a mod take this to the Ranger forum please

You obviously have trouble with reading comprehension. One or two people are complaining about this. The rest are holding a discussion totally different from your claims of trying to rally thieves to shout nerf or OP. (even if it were the case, Anet is not going to make changes based on forum complaints)

Go back to the ranger board yourself, where you belong.

You imply that I was referencing what is talked about in the thread. I’m actually referencing your intentions as the original poster.

If I am wrong about why you started this thread, then why post it on here instead of the Ranger forums?

Ranger board where I belong? Yes I play Ranger, but I also play an 80 Thief, Warrior and Guardian. You are not helping the stereotype that people who main a Thief have a bad attitude.

What arrogance.

If you want it to be discussed in the Ranger forum then make one over there. We can discuss any class here whenever we want especially something that we have to deal with.

Now bug off!…please?

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Bryzy.2719:

Fade.7658:

Bryzy.2719:

Why is this in the Thief forum? So you can try and rally your mates to make them shout ‘OP!! NERFFFF!!!!’

Requesting that a mod take this to the Ranger forum please

You obviously have trouble with reading comprehension. One or two people are complaining about this. The rest are holding a discussion totally different from your claims of trying to rally thieves to shout nerf or OP. (even if it were the case, Anet is not going to make changes based on forum complaints)

Go back to the ranger board yourself, where you belong.

You imply that I was referencing what is talked about in the thread. I’m actually referencing your intentions as the original poster.

If I am wrong about why you started this thread, then why post it on here instead of the Ranger forums?

Ranger board where I belong? Yes I play Ranger, but I also play an 80 Thief, Warrior and Guardian. You are not helping the stereotype that people who main a Thief have a bad attitude.

What arrogance.

If you want it to be discussed in the Ranger forum then make one over there. We can discuss any class here whenever we want especially something that we have to deal with.

Now bug off!…please?

Sorry, I’m not trying to be arrogant. And I actually applaud the thieves posting for actually rationally discussing the implications of this update… but the intention of the poster was so obvious that it annoyed me…

Nevermind, I’m leaving now. Gonna go do some yoga until the update. And no, I’m not a girl.

Bryzy.2719:

Fade.7658:

Bryzy.2719:

Why is this in the Thief forum? So you can try and rally your mates to make them shout ‘OP!! NERFFFF!!!!’

Requesting that a mod take this to the Ranger forum please

You obviously have trouble with reading comprehension. One or two people are complaining about this. The rest are holding a discussion totally different from your claims of trying to rally thieves to shout nerf or OP. (even if it were the case, Anet is not going to make changes based on forum complaints)

Go back to the ranger board yourself, where you belong.

You imply that I was referencing what is talked about in the thread. I’m actually referencing your intentions as the original poster.

If I am wrong about why you started this thread, then why post it on here instead of the Ranger forums?

Ranger board where I belong? Yes I play Ranger, but I also play an 80 Thief, Warrior and Guardian. You are not helping the stereotype that people who main a Thief have a bad attitude.

I posted it here, because many people do not read the patch notes. It was also a snarky comment referencing how people flock to a new spec because of improved mechanics, regardless of profession. I will not, however, apologize if you misread my post, and jumped to conclusions. There are so many “nerf thief” posts on this forum, that most who post here tend to either ignore questionable posts, or respond in kind.

If I mained a Ranger, I’d be posting on the ranger boards. I main a thief, so guess where I post?

You are not helping the stereotype that those that main Rangers are whiners. Again, you read what you wanted to read; an attack on Rangers getting any sort of buff, when it was furthest from the truth.

If you had bothered to even read any of my other posts in this thread, you might have concluded that my original post wasn’t as you expected.

ya know, just throwing this in here. But say you use “piercing Arrows” with this new shot. Wont that make rangers able to chain stealth insanely if they fire into a crowd?

Prysin.8542:

ya know, just throwing this in here. But say you use “piercing Arrows” with this new shot. Wont that make rangers able to chain stealth insanely if they fire into a crowd?

Probably not , but it brings up a good question, if the first one hits the target, it procs stealth, does that mean the 2nd/3rd target hit would bring us out of stealth?

Prysin.8542:

ya know, just throwing this in here. But say you use “piercing Arrows” with this new shot. Wont that make rangers able to chain stealth insanely if they fire into a crowd?

I would assume they will also get the revealed debuff? thus preventing this? They can still achieve about 33% (or is it more?) uptime on stealth though.

Ryan.8367:

Prysin.8542:

ya know, just throwing this in here. But say you use “piercing Arrows” with this new shot. Wont that make rangers able to chain stealth insanely if they fire into a crowd?

Probably not , but it brings up a good question, if the first one hits the target, it procs stealth, does that mean the 2nd/3rd target hit would bring us out of stealth?

I’m guessing it will act like HS does now through a smoke field. We still do dmg, but stay in stealth since it’s all the same ability.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Bryzy.2719:

Fade.7658:

Bryzy.2719:

Why is this in the Thief forum? So you can try and rally your mates to make them shout ‘OP!! NERFFFF!!!!’

Requesting that a mod take this to the Ranger forum please

You obviously have trouble with reading comprehension. One or two people are complaining about this. The rest are holding a discussion totally different from your claims of trying to rally thieves to shout nerf or OP. (even if it were the case, Anet is not going to make changes based on forum complaints)

Go back to the ranger board yourself, where you belong.

You imply that I was referencing what is talked about in the thread. I’m actually referencing your intentions as the original poster.

If I am wrong about why you started this thread, then why post it on here instead of the Ranger forums?

Ranger board where I belong? Yes I play Ranger, but I also play an 80 Thief, Warrior and Guardian. You are not helping the stereotype that people who main a Thief have a bad attitude.

What arrogance.

If you want it to be discussed in the Ranger forum then make one over there. We can discuss any class here whenever we want especially something that we have to deal with.

Now bug off!…please?

Any one/class is/are entitiled to post at whatever class/forums they want. This whole “Entitlement to Everything” .. a.k.a. Thief, needs to go"

I Welcome you and every Thieves to post in the Ranger forum anytime you/they want… (as long you/they abide by the forums rules); which i know you/they will.