Sup guys, I rarely comment on forums but I’d like to show you some insight on s/d core thief.
I’m Hitzer I play thief on NA basically all I do is pvp so this thread is only about pvp mode. I just hit Legendary yesterday playing s/d core thief.
Last patch anet buffed a ton some core specs, I’ve seen a lot of core guardians, wars and even necros but of my 94 matches I’ve seen only one s/d core besides me which makes a lot of sense because DrD dp is a really strong spec that you can’t go wrong with it and also the “new” condi thief build that every player can play it with minimal effort while being super effective vs pugs.
First of all I’ve seen a lot of bs talk about thief builds “DrD is superior” “Condi thief isn’t good” “DE is garbage” and builds in general most people say “yeah whatever works in ranked” and it’s true if you’re good enough you can make any build work to certain extent that’s it.
For example let’s say you want to play d/d power in ranked, you could easily get plat 2 if you’re good you can actually get a good duo and climb but when you’re against a strong duo do you think you will able to beat them with d/d power? the answer is clearly a big no but you would be able to beat them with s/d core.
Let’s define some words, a lot of people say “it is viable” it works" “it does great” but how do you test them and where? in hot join? unranked? ranked? ATs? duels? I won’t say “competitive” because there isn’t a competitive scene anymore.
The build I used to get legendary was tested in both ranked and ATs so with that in mind I can say the following.
Viable – d/d power or whatever other thief build
Good – s/d core power
(condi thief here between good and optimal)
Optimal – d/p dash
I think s/d core is a GOOD build and not only viable or that just works, I’ll explain why.
I won’t say it “beats” because I will trigger a lot of people so I’ll say that it is effective against.
This build focus on boon stripping while doing enough damage to pressure targets and evading a lot, it is really effective vs meta builds on point:
-DH or any Guardian variation(good matchup)
-Mesmer/Chrono(really good matchup)
-Thieves(neutral but generally it’s a fine matchup)
-Engi/Scrappers (really good matchup)
-Core war(50/50 if equal skill, 100-0 if war is worse)
-Necro/Reaper (usually good matchup but the new wall build is a bit more hard)
-Ranger/Druid (only matchup that isn’t worth taking)
-good team fighter (strip boons/immobilize targets)
-good kite (2# and #5 are really good)
-bad finisher (does worse than d/p vs low health players)
-no stealth (no opener or stealth combos)
-no dash (lul)
So it may seem biased but again this is only tested in ranked/ATs so please don’t bring your “this build will get destroyed in 5v5” or “lul it doesn’t do damage”. This build has been tested in NA from plat 1 to legendary so the player skill average is not the best but I’ve faced a lot of good players and strong duos and it does well.
Due to the lack of d/p dash thieves I can win practically every 1v1 in time, most of them don’t even last more than 30 seconds but even if the dp dash comes I can kite him decently.
This build is really fun to play for me because it is high risk high reward, if you make a mistake or if you do something wrong you are going to get punished you don’t have stealth or infinite dash evades but if you play well you’re going to get rewarded as it should be in this game.
What’s the point of this thread? Encourage people to play something else than d/p dash or even condi thief that lately has become really popular for obvious reasons.
It is better than d/p dash???? it doesn’t but it plays another role which is going for good matchups and gather people to gain time for your team.
Most of my matches were with a duo partner who also played a core spec, specifically Phantaram (Fresh Air Ele) and Arken (Core bruiser Guard) so I’m not really a tryhard who only wait till certain times and duo with meta builds vs noobs I just want to play the game and have fun.`
Matches played – 139
Wins – 107
Loses – 32
Top 5 in NA currently
Of course this is gonna change because I don’t give a single ** about rating but you get the idea.
(edited by Elxdark.9702)