Guild Wars 2

I am a well known guild wars 2 pvper and spvper that mains an asuran warrior. In recent times I have tried my best to fight thieves, however your class has become more and more overpowered over time and currently it’s in a state where even an average thief can take me down.

This never used to happen btw… But with the recent buffs and changes it has become extremely noticeable.

I have come to propse some changes my clan has been mulling over and to get some feedback from the thief forum.

Proposed changes to the class:

1) Increase reveal uptime to 6 seconds.

This will largely reduce the ammount of invis spamming happening. Currently 3 seconds in game ticks is nothing and you can easily dodge and cloak and dagger you opponent as if no time has passed.

By making it 6 seconds, we wont make invisibility unreliable but rather a more tactical skill than a spammable one.

2) Nerf backstab damage by 25%

Currently in world vs world, a thief on food with might stacks can easily crit up to 14- 16k on a target with high toughness. By reducing this by 25% we drop it into the 10- 12k range.

Quite a reasonable nerf that still allows the class to quickly burst down most light armoured enemies.

3) Greatly decrease vigor and swiftness uptime.

Thieves have access to what is easily the highest swiftness up time. You’d also be lucky to find a thief that isn’t running acro + trickery for 100% vigor up time.

By reducing the vigor on heal to 4 seconds and bountiful thefts vigour to 6 seconds.
This would mean you still have 50% vigor up time.

Swiftness would also be reduced to that you only gain swiftness on every dodge roll when you have 30 in acro.

4) Reduce condition cleansing ability

Thieves easily have the highest and fastest condition cleansing speed.
With Condition cleanse happening every time you heal as well as every time you become invisible – its hard for us to stack condis on you.

Change this so that you only cleanse 1 condition on heal and 1 when entering invisibility.

To counter these changes i propose these buffs.

1) Increase the ammount of toughness the stealth arts trait line gives thieves.

2) Increase the damage per shot from pistol pistol third skill – also make this skill slow enemies movement speed.

Thoughts?

Cliffs:

- Increase reveal uptime to 6 seconds.
- Decrease backstab damage by 25%
- Greatly decrease vigor up time and swiftness uptime (50%)
- Reduce condition cleansing ability of class (1 condition for stealth and 1 heal instead of 3)

Buffs

- Increase toughness aquired from stealth arts
- Increase damage from pistol 3 skill and slow movement speed of enemy

Welcome back Peow Peow.

oxtred.7658:

Welcome back Peow Peow.

Hi there mate

Constructive replies please

1. Bad, because this class is heavily bound on stealth. without it, the thief is a sitting duck.

2. Cmon ?

3.Yeah nerf it! but then pls also nerv warriors god kitten Bullcharge and so….and this class is suposed to be athletic in combat.we dont have a godmode like warrior or aegis who negate 50 % incoming dmg or a shield and so on.

4.o.O

pretty awesome requests… i will add them to the nerf wish list

tbh these seem like changes that anet would accept/do, like, there’s a bunch of nerfs, followed by few buffs.

Zero Day.2594:

pretty awesome requests… i will add them to the nerf wish list

tbh these seem like changes that anet would accept/do, like, there’s a bunch of nerfs, followed by few buffs.

^This guy got used to the drill.

How does thief have fastest condition cleansing speed? Then ele must be god speed. If reveal is increased to 6 seconds, then thief will not be thief anymore since they are visible 80% of the time. You are just pushing thief to be played like a heavy class just because you cant beat them? I seen warriors, especially hambow and condis ones eat thieves alive.

Sorry the game cannot be balanced around scrubs. And stop running with no armor and no amulet so u dont get backstabbed for 16k.

And thieves need toughness so they die in 2 secs instead of 1 sec while revealed 6s is counting down. Not to mention every thief mainhand must be a pistol. Well known pvper?

There are some solo builds and wvw builds that are really powerful, I agree, although every class has cheese builds, and that’s probably what your complaining about.

however your suggestions would destroy the spvp scene for thieves. We have a niche role of high mobility decap and finishing off players(especially d/p), but your changes would completely destroy thieves and there would be no reason to bring one to a team with those changes.

yeah I doubt your a well known pvper. you write:

“This will largely reduce the ammount of invis spamming happening. Currently 3 seconds in game ticks is nothing and you can easily dodge and cloak and dagger you opponent as if no time has passed.”

if your losing to a theif that is spamming cloak and dagger, you need to work on your own game play and figure out how to beat a theif, cause any theif spamming cloak and dagger is terrible.

also warriors have the most condition cleans.

Yes please, if you look since the launch of the game, the only thing thieves have received are buffs.

They never get nerfs, it’s so unfair, and all the buffs keep making the profession easier and easier to play.

It’s pretty lame.

Shockwave.1230:

Yes please, if you look since the launch of the game, the only thing thieves have received are buffs.

They never get nerfs, it’s so unfair, and all the buffs keep making the profession easier and easier to play.

It’s pretty lame.

I know right, and every time the devs throw out a nerf at them is just to shut the crowd up, stop them from saying “they never get nerfed”.

YEA I FEEL YOU PEW PEW, I REALLY AM.I FEEL THE LACK OF SKILL IN YOU.

Let’s remove sword and dagger and SB,that way thieves will bound to play p/p , seems more logical to what you said.

It’s idiots like you who don’t put effort in learning how to game better. You really think landing CnD is such an easy thing to pull off? It cost around 6 initiative that’s almost half our initiative spent if we don’t place 3 points in trickery. FYI warriors have the mobility,toughness and the highest amount of CC if you run hammer and you tell me that thieves are OP? Not to mention that backstab is one of our only hard hitting burst skill. You guys have freaking eviscerate and hundred blades( land those two correctly and you can almost kill the thief in an instant). Blocks are also as good as evades. One last thing, did you know that rangers have the skill called sick em which does a 6 second reveal? it wrecks any stealth thief if they run a power build. Peow Peow just stop kittening around because I never go any other classes’s forums and build hate if they have any new OP cheese build. SICK OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU

Peow peow.2189:

I am a well known guild wars 2 pvper and spvper that mains an asuran warrior. In recent times I have tried my best to fight thieves, however your class has become more and more overpowered over time and currently it’s in a state where even an average thief can take me down.

This never used to happen btw… But with the recent buffs and changes it has become extremely noticeable.

I have come to propse some changes my clan has been mulling over and to get some feedback from the thief forum.

Proposed changes to the class:

1) Increase reveal uptime to 6 seconds.

This will largely reduce the ammount of invis spamming happening. Currently 3 seconds in game ticks is nothing and you can easily dodge and cloak and dagger you opponent as if no time has passed.

By making it 6 seconds, we wont make invisibility unreliable but rather a more tactical skill than a spammable one.

2) Nerf backstab damage by 25%

Currently in world vs world, a thief on food with might stacks can easily crit up to 14- 16k on a target with high toughness. By reducing this by 25% we drop it into the 10- 12k range.

Quite a reasonable nerf that still allows the class to quickly burst down most light armoured enemies.

3) Greatly decrease vigor and swiftness uptime.

Thieves have access to what is easily the highest swiftness up time. You’d also be lucky to find a thief that isn’t running acro + trickery for 100% vigor up time.

By reducing the vigor on heal to 4 seconds and bountiful thefts vigour to 6 seconds.
This would mean you still have 50% vigor up time.

Swiftness would also be reduced to that you only gain swiftness on every dodge roll when you have 30 in acro.

4) Reduce condition cleansing ability

Thieves easily have the highest and fastest condition cleansing speed.
With Condition cleanse happening every time you heal as well as every time you become invisible – its hard for us to stack condis on you.

Change this so that you only cleanse 1 condition on heal and 1 when entering invisibility.

To counter these changes i propose these buffs.

1) Increase the ammount of toughness the stealth arts trait line gives thieves.

2) Increase the damage per shot from pistol pistol third skill – also make this skill slow enemies movement speed.

Thoughts?

Cliffs:

- Increase reveal uptime to 6 seconds.
- Decrease backstab damage by 25%
- Greatly decrease vigor up time and swiftness uptime (50%)
- Reduce condition cleansing ability of class (1 condition for stealth and 1 heal instead of 3)

Buffs

- Increase toughness aquired from stealth arts
- Increase damage from pistol 3 skill and slow movement speed of enemy

so first of all, you seem to be under the assumption that it’s possible for thief to run a 6/6/6/6/6 build or something, because almost every single thing you bring is characteristic of distinctly different builds, not one single build.

1.) this is an absolutely horrid idea that completely destroys stealth for thief as a whole. there are other thief builds out there that all use stealth in some form or another, and gimping stealth to the point of uselessness for the sake of one build you unreasonably think is overpowered is ridiculous.

2.) backstab is one of the hardest burst skills to land thanks to the requirements of being in stealth, within melee range, and behind your enemy. complaining about damage is even more useless because of the grossly exaggerated damage output across ALL professions in WvW. even then, the numbers of “14k-16k” damage you pulled entirely out of thin air; for all practical purposes, backstabs over 12k are pretty much impossible, let alone 14-16k backstabs being even remotely within the realm of reality. you are either lying entirely about how much damage backstab can do or are simply ignorant, either scenario being cause enough for your opinion to lose all validity.

3.) vigor can be destroyed or stolen. ask any mesmer, necro, thief, or anyone willing to use sigil of nullification. nerfing vigor uptime on a build that loses a lot of offensive strength for the sake of sustainability is uncalled for.

etc

your “buffs” are absolutely abysmal, and are nothing more than shallow attempts to justify incredibly heavy-handed nerfs that have no basis in reason at all.

I’m agree with OP
Thieves - strongest 1vs1 class atm. Always was. And will always be. Mostly, because of non-cooldown mechanics and high resource regen
Let’s all another classes will have the same stuff: some resource pool and no cooldowns and we will see.
Or just thieves will got their cooldowns.
But now - with thieves possibility to spam most dangerous skills - we always will be with that disbalance

Made my day. I had to double check the date of the op, just to make sure nobody necrod.

Ok, you have problems to find a thief that is not running 6 points into acro and trickery? The same thieves with 16k backstabs and condi cleanse in stealth?

Yeah Anet plz. This is so op. I seriously don’t understand why the thief class is the only class that gets every patch huge buffs.

The Assassin’s Equilibrium buff alone. It last now 50% longer. That’s making thieves 50% stronger. Anet keep calm and take a look at the poor warrior.

SilverWF.4789:

I’m agree with OP
Thieves – strongest 1vs1 class atm. Always was. And will always be. Mostly, because of non-cooldown mechanics and high resource regen
Let’s all another classes will have the same stuff: some resource pool and no cooldowns and we will see.
Or just thieves will got their cooldowns.
But now – with thieves possibility to spam most dangerous skills – we always will be with that disbalance

nope, celestial engineer, celestial elementalist, meditation guardian, phantasm/pu mesmer are all considerably stronger 1v1 builds.

apocom.3172:

Made my day. I had to double check the date of the op, just to make sure nobody necrod.

Ok, you have problems to find a thief that is not running 6 points into acro and trickery? The same thieves with 16k backstabs and condi cleanse in stealth?

Yeah Anet plz. This is so op. I seriously don’t understand why the thief class is the only class that gets every patch huge buffs.

The Assassin’s Equilibrium buff alone. It last now 50% longer. That’s making thieves 50% stronger. Anet keep calm and take a look at the poor warrior.

XD I rarely see any thief in spvp using that trait.

Conditions cure - another strongest option.
All classes have a 9-10 sec limits for autocure and skills with long cooldowns

Thieves cures it every 3 seconds in stealth (and 1st cure immidiately), also, sword’s 2 just didn’t have any limits, spammable and pretty low cost

Celestial gear just sucks.

Not being a kitten but, I never heard about OP and even more being a Celebrity.
Another thing – thieves are the squishiest with low HP pool class in game.
As from personal experience, I believe that vigor spam + s/d is annoying due to almost perma evasion.
That still doesn’t change the fact that you can kill such thieves.

It appears that OP meanwhile playing warrior, has to find another tactic against thieves, because it seems that plain and 24/7 used tactic that worked against every other class, doesn’t work.

To be honest – I play both warrior and thief – Warrior lately received only one noticeable nerf – Adrenaline decay, meanwhile thieves are nerfed constantly bit by bit.

All of you should look at his post history before answering.

You serious??? Again?
Is there any class you don’t want to nerf? Except of your precious warrior of course…
I highly doubt that….

“Well known PvPer” – not funny, try harder next time, 0/10

Tao.5096:

thieves are the squishiest with low HP pool class in game.

Bullsh… If some thieves playing like warriors – straightfoward – so, sure
But if thief playing like thief – this is nearly unkillable beast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmTybvMeAU4

SilverWF.4789:

Tao.5096:

thieves are the squishiest with low HP pool class in game.

Bullsh… If some thieves playing like warriors – straightfoward – so, sure
But if thief playing like thief – this is nearly unkillable beast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmTybvMeAU4

Every proffesion have his cheese builds,SA thief is the cheese in thieves,doesnt mean stealth should get nerfed,you should know how to counter it(dodging cnds,posion,inturpt etc)

Meh….
now it’s posting pro godlike #lookhebeateveryone videos.
Meanwhile didn’t read my post with understanding and getting the point.

Omg… Seriously?! == Guys, does a strong skill in every class have to be nerfed in order to satisfy everyone’s need?! I mean seriously. All classes have their own strength and weaknesses. Do you know how weak thieves are without Shadow’s Embrace if they decide to run a stealth build. Almost every thief runs at least 2 in SA(s/d & glass cannons are an exception). It’s one of our most important trait. Other traits for surviving conditions are just pure BS.

Seriously? You have nothing better to do? There was a nerf-troll long ago who was way better than you…
When I heard about the balance-forum oing to be removed I was just waiting how long it would take for that kind of posts…

Not sure if serious…

Either way, made my laugh tho …

At least the forum is a bit more alive now, it got really quiet here after RF buff.

SilverWF.4789:

Tao.5096:

thieves are the squishiest with low HP pool class in game.

Bullsh… If some thieves playing like warriors – straightfoward – so, sure
But if thief playing like thief – this is nearly unkillable beast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmTybvMeAU4

I’m flattered you came to that conclusion from watching my vid, but I assure you I am very killable. There are a ton of classes and builds that do very well against, if not hard counter, thieves — medi guards, d/d ele, most engi builds, etc.

Thieves are in a good place in the competitive environment.

oxtred.7658:

All of you should look at his post history before answering.

But it’s fun…

I don’t know about you guys, but I like gimping myself in WvW. 16k backstabs? No way, too easy. Just run valk / pack runes and my backstab becomes around 6-8k with food. I thought I’d just give everyone I’m ever fighting a chance. Because, you know, I don’t want anyone to rage at thieves or anything like that. I also take like 1 condition cleanser and maybe, MAYBE my stealth can cleanse one thing per stealth session if I trait for it.

Anyone else feel this way? Maybe I just like the challenge.

oxtred.7658:

All of you should look at his post history before answering.

pfftttt haha!!!! this thread is so comedic! Peow Peow just posted on in the ele forums too asking for a nerf. I honestly can’t tell if he is trolling or not but i just can’t help but find the complaining hilarious. i would honestly offer constructive criticism if i thought it would help but there is nothing truly constructive here. Thanks for the chuckle Peow Peow!!!

After Anet nerf thief to the ground and no one came to troll . . . i can say i miss this troll post.

Plz add to nerf whish list . . . . PLEASE!

SoLeciTO.3490:

…
Plz add to nerf whish list . . . . PLEASE!

15 hours too late.

You have: armor, shouts, and some sexy health regen to survive.

Do you know how we survive? We try not to get hit… that’s it.

Since you cannot hit what you cannot see, it has become the main thing of this class.

All your suggestions must be dismissed immediately. seriously revealed for 6secs? lol

Nephrite.6954:

It’s idiots like you who don’t put effort in learning how to game better. You really think landing CnD is such an easy thing to pull off? It cost around 6 initiative that’s almost half our initiative spent if we don’t place 3 points in trickery. FYI warriors have the mobility,toughness and the highest amount of CC if you run hammer and you tell me that thieves are OP? Not to mention that backstab is one of our only hard hitting burst skill. You guys have freaking eviscerate and hundred blades( land those two correctly and you can almost kill the thief in an instant). Blocks are also as good as evades. One last thing, did you know that rangers have the skill called sick em which does a 6 second reveal? it wrecks any stealth thief if they run a power build. Peow Peow just stop kittening around because I never go any other classes’s forums and build hate if they have any new OP cheese build. SICK OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU

It takes alot more skill to land eviscerate then any thief spell. You an never miss CnD because you just use it along with steal and it 100% to hit.

You can also use cnd and infilitrator signet to get 100% hit, that is the only high damage skill in the game really that cant miss.

With thief swiftness up time its almost impossible to miss backstab – so really I think this is just your lack of skill showing and not the ability of the class.

Thief has alot more mobility – you can dodge 1200 range with shadow step, all i have is great sword rush and then im out of mobile skills.

This is very much a learn 2 play on your behalf – thief is severely in need of a nerf after all the buffs they ahve been recieving.

Tao.5096:

Not being a kitten but, I never heard about OP and even more being a Celebrity.
Another thing – thieves are the squishiest with low HP pool class in game.
As from personal experience, I believe that vigor spam + s/d is annoying due to almost perma evasion.
That still doesn’t change the fact that you can kill such thieves.

It appears that OP meanwhile playing warrior, has to find another tactic against thieves, because it seems that plain and 24/7 used tactic that worked against every other class, doesn’t work.

To be honest – I play both warrior and thief – Warrior lately received only one noticeable nerf – Adrenaline decay, meanwhile thieves are nerfed constantly bit by bit.

Thank you for a constructive post

I agree with you in the case that warrio takes much more skill to play than a thief.

I also agree that s/d and vigor needs to be nerfed because it’s just to many dodges and is severely unbalanced.

True that you can kill thieves, but they have recieved to many buffs – a few nerfs should balanced things out as astated in post 1.

Whats your thoughts on my suggested changes?

sinject.4607:

so first of all, you seem to be under the assumption that it’s possible for thief to run a 6/6/6/6/6 build or something, because almost every single thing you bring is characteristic of distinctly different builds, not one single build.

1.) this is an absolutely horrid idea that completely destroys stealth for thief as a whole. there are other thief builds out there that all use stealth in some form or another, and gimping stealth to the point of uselessness for the sake of one build you unreasonably think is overpowered is ridiculous.

2.) backstab is one of the hardest burst skills to land thanks to the requirements of being in stealth, within melee range, and behind your enemy. complaining about damage is even more useless because of the grossly exaggerated damage output across ALL professions in WvW. even then, the numbers of “14k-16k” damage you pulled entirely out of thin air; for all practical purposes, backstabs over 12k are pretty much impossible, let alone 14-16k backstabs being even remotely within the realm of reality. you are either lying entirely about how much damage backstab can do or are simply ignorant, either scenario being cause enough for your opinion to lose all validity.

3.) vigor can be destroyed or stolen. ask any mesmer, necro, thief, or anyone willing to use sigil of nullification. nerfing vigor uptime on a build that loses a lot of offensive strength for the sake of sustainability is uncalled for.

etc

your “buffs” are absolutely abysmal, and are nothing more than shallow attempts to justify incredibly heavy-handed nerfs that have no basis in reason at all.

Backstab is actually very easily landed – i never even seen 1 thief miss it.

Also you know as much as me that thieves dodge to much and abuse stealth with perm stealth builds.

You dont need to get 6/6/6/6 to be having the buffs i stated in my post.

THe pistol pistol should be a viabl build so i buffed it to make it an option with the stealth nerf.

Stop hugging stealt so much its not a skill style of playing just passive abuse that I hope is removed to balance this game.

Kocoff.7582:

You have: armor, shouts, and some sexy health regen to survive.

Do you know how we survive? We try not to get hit… that’s it.

Since you cannot hit what you cannot see, it has become the main thing of this class.

All your suggestions must be dismissed immediately. seriously revealed for 6secs? lol

You should be more open minded to things that make thief more skill class.

It takes alot of skill to time your shouts and health regen well as warriorand to dodge because we havent got vigor we only hae limited dodging capability …

Where as a thief who can dodge 9 times in a row? really u gotta be kidding

In my opinionin thief has become a class with very low skill cap to play – try something like engineer or warrior for a challenge

SilverWF.4789:

Conditions cure – another strongest option.
All classes have a 9-10 sec limits for autocure and skills with long cooldowns

Thieves cures it every 3 seconds in stealth (and 1st cure immidiately), also, sword’s 2 just didn’t have any limits, spammable and pretty low cost

Celestial gear just sucks.

So other classes cure 1 condition every 9 second

yet thief can do it every 3 second

You see how this is not a balance?

Thievies are always given special treatment by anet

Shockwave.1230:

Yes please, if you look since the launch of the game, the only thing thieves have received are buffs.

They never get nerfs, it’s so unfair, and all the buffs keep making the profession easier and easier to play.

It’s pretty lame.

well they have got nerfed – but they have got ALOT more buffs then nerfs.

Look at the history of updates to classes – elementalist, engineer and warrior have recieved much more nerfs then thief.

In fact thief is in top 2 classes that have recieved an ammount of neutral changes/buffs.

Can you at least write it in kind of like a poetic theme, kind of like burnfall did… his posts were fun.

Zero Day.2594:

Can you at least write it in kind of like a poetic theme, kind of like burnfall did… his posts were fun.

befor you respond to my thread you should really consider what goes through your mind? Do you think about the people that are going to read your response, or whether or not you are adding value to the lifes of others.

Personally I try to be a value giver rather than a value taker, I try to brighten the day of others as any normal human being would do.

The problem here is, you are focusing on the wrong things in life – infact I think you should take a good hard look at yourself and ask… Am I really the kind of person I want to be?

If the answer is No, understand that we are here for you and that together we will make it. The trick is to start making positive changes each day, eating healthy foods – attending cross fit classes, meditating in quite places, doing yoga with a close aquintance. When you collectively add up these changes, you’ll become closer to your inner core – the real you.

Can we get a rolling counter of the successes plox?

Peow peow.2189:

Zero Day.2594:

Can you at least write it in kind of like a poetic theme, kind of like burnfall did… his posts were fun.

befor you respond to my thread you should really consider what goes through your mind? Do you think about the people that are going to read your response, or whether or not you are adding value to the lifes of others.

Personally I try to be a value giver rather than a value taker, I try to brighten the day of others as any normal human being would do.

The problem here is, you are focusing on the wrong things in life – infact I think you should take a good hard look at yourself and ask… Am I really the kind of person I want to be?

If the answer is No, understand that we are here for you and that together we will make it. The trick is to start making positive changes each day, eating healthy foods – attending cross fit classes, meditating in quite places, doing yoga with a close aquintance. When you collectively add up these changes, you’ll become closer to your inner core – the real you.

not sure if you are sanduskel . . . but i will answer this,

Stop trolling man, you have no power here, Zero Day has good reputation in this forum . . .

Just look at your post history and look his.

you post is just another 3452465243 case of L2P . . .

And please, help urself and stop complaining and start learning.

Man, I retract, this is better than peotry from burnfall. Let’s begin…

Peow peow.2189:

befor you respond to my thread you should really consider what goes through your mind?

I’ve attached a gif of precisely of what goes on in my head when I read a QQ thread.

Peow peow.2189:

Do you think about the people that are going to read your response, or whether or not you are adding value to the lifes of others.

Adding value to their lives… man, I’m no prophet or anything, but I think I am giving them some form of entertainment, like you are.

Peow peow.2189:

Personally I try to be a value giver rather than a value taker, I try to brighten the day of others as any normal human being would do.

Yeah, I can tell by your OP. Though try to brighten everyone’s day, and not just your own and for the like minded others.

Peow peow.2189:

The problem here is, you are focusing on the wrong things in life – in fact I think you should take a good hard look at yourself and ask… Am I really the kind of person I want to be?

I always answer “No” since I’m always trying to become better. If GW2 and it’s forums is my life… well kitten my life, it’s small and kittenty. Fortunately it isn’t.

Peow peow.2189:

If the answer is No, understand that we are here for you and that together we will make it.

Awww, you guys, you don’t have to… seriously, you don’t. Actually try not to.

Peow peow.2189:

The trick is to start making positive changes each day, eating healthy foods – attending cross fit classes, meditating in quite places, doing yoga with a close aquintance.

So, actually, you know how you offered help… can you cook me healthy meals? Be my body guard, and get me some phone numbers from those chicks in the yoga classes, k thanks. It my sound shallow, but I have a soft spot for brunettes…

Peow peow.2189:

When you collectively add up these changes, you’ll become closer to your inner core – the real you.

Right. I’m willing to bet that the last paragraph of your post was taken from some self-help book you’re reading… It’s nice to see you’re trying to reassure yourself that it will help by telling others it’s ways. Keep it up, whatever rough patch you hit you will get through it mate! If it’s the thieves in this game that make you hate life, have no fear ANet will be there for you and will “help” you get through your troubles.

Side note, I’m all for a (proper) thief rework.
But when QQ threads are made, I feed off their delicious tears. And no, it’s not all the threads that request nerfs, some (might be to peoples surprises) are relatively legitimate and seem like a bit of thought has been put into them (and they dont reek of QQ’s). Though those posts are so rare that majority just end up on the nerf wish.

SoLeciTO.3490:

Stop trolling man, you have no power here, Zero Day has good reputation in this forum . . .

O.o Flattering.
Though, there are others more knowledge than me.

:D I’m more of a troll with an acute sense of smell for QQ’s, and when I find QQ’s I record them on my list.

oh my, the joke is anet will take this post seriously and probably implement next patch …

wvw is not supposed to be balanced
66666 thief has yet to be made