Guild Wars 2

Since I’m loosely following this game…

I’m psych’ed about the coming skill balance changes.

My money’s on nerfs to things that are still useful and buffs to poison/traps.

I just don’t know what they have in mind for the next patch for thief…..

What is left ? distracting dagger and cloak in shadow, a swap in traits somewhere ?
I doubt they will touch the init pool…dodges maybe ?

Edit: On second thought, I feel a chaneled vigor tune down on the endurance side.

gotta agree with wargameur. I think a CV nerf is inbound…although i would not like it.
When you read the forums occasionally, you see that there is A LOT of crying about the dodge spamming of thieves.

Although, in all honesty, what else can a thief do? We dont have invuln, stab or blocks (BD barely counts imo)…so evades is essentially all we get for defense. Unless we get access to some other form of defense, a CV-nerf simply isn’T justified. Maybe I’m just biased though.

What I am interested in, is if they are going to nerf/rework PI. Although i don’t think, that a nerf would be warranted, a rework could be interesting.

In terms of buffs, I’d like to see some changes to Infiltrator’s Strike and Dagger OH.

You want to know why Thieves probably may not got a nerf?
They’ve already Nerfed us to the GROUND, There’s nothing left to nerf or change, but tooltip fixes and graphical animation fixes.

Thief right now is in a good state.

Although I too must say the evasion meta is annoying, which is why I play burst, but hey, That’s Daredevils elite specialization, without evasion DD would literally be worse than Necro.

What they need to do is:

Speed up velocity for Impairing daggers similar to DH Spear of justice
Increase bandit defense 3s (maybe)
Increase velocity shortbow #1,
Fix Vault, similar to Boundful Dodger make it proc’ damage in the air. Too many times you’ll be on a higher landscape than your target like an inch or 2 higher, you vault and it misses.
Make Kleptomaniac innate (Passive 3 initiative) will open more build diversity
Give DD more utility underwater
Give a Dodge underwater split (Let us have the freedom to unhindering dodge underwater and Bound on land
Fix spear 4 already and it’s self stun (Or put it in the tooltip that it’s supposed to self stun)
Fix Jump Staff 3
Give Thieves more unblockable attacks (to handle DH’s easier roaming around in WvW or playing in PvP)
Get rid of Traps, because they’re useless
I’m not asking for much, mere fixes and slight buff’s

What I don’t understand is:

Why they gave us 2 bassi venom procs then took it away
Why they stripped us of Might gain and gave it to Revenant
Why we have no way of innately generating protection
Why Shadow Rejuvenation’s damage reduction got nerfed to 25%
Why P/P Richochet was even removed
Why Long Reach (Old thief trait 1500 range steal) was removed
Why They fixed that Fury trait, maybe some of us wanted 3mins of fury (Okay i understand that one lol, but really who uses CS line in WvW/PvP anymore.
Why they altered S/X mobility
Why they nerfed and destroyed Shadow Trap
Why we have the worse weapon range in game
Why you even touched Leeching Venoms trait
Why Mug can’t crit?! (Okay i understand this one kitten)
Why CS line is dead, outside of optimal damaged thief for PvE
And why you even made that trait change system in general, so we can’t mix and match

The world will never know!

Never underestimate the nerf-hammer. It strikes mercilessly and likes to pick on the weak.

Now that thief is finally somewhat making it’s way into competitive play it’s great opportunity to smash it back into dirt.

Things I can see happening regarding thief:

(1) sPvP change to Shadow Strike migrated to WvW and PvE
(2) Adjustments to Sword/Dagger 1/2/3
(3) Adjustments to basi venom with regards to unblockable
(4) Nerfs to thief endurance regen to reduce perma evade builds

saerni.2584:

Things I can see happening regarding thief:
(3) Adjustments to basi venom with regards to unblockable

you sure? i think they rather make the DD elite unblockable or only its first attack so you can actually use it. right now u kinda need basi venom for its being unblockable.

but yea as i mostly dont understand anets balance changes, they might take unblockable from basi venom, is also a way to make me use the DD elite

Keep the predictions coming, ladies.

And then on patch day we will see if any have come true.

Pro tip, make them more general/vague. Like mine is nerfing something useful and buffing venoms/traps.

Probably damage nerf to some skill(s)/trait(s), and in order to compensate for the damage loss some skill/trait that is never used gets a 2½ seconds of swiftness on activation.

Some mechanical, not well reasoned change that will render something useful into “why would I ever use this” -realm.

Some meaningless buff to traps.

Probably a big buff to sword. After the dust has settled and people have accustomed themselves with the rebirth of sword main hand in various game types, it will be nerfed again.

Prediction:

Thief will be largely passed over like usually it is with some very minor in otherwise inconsequential “adjustments” that don’t change or solve anything in the long run, followed by the usual percentile changes to things in the name of balance.

Like giving us better Healing Power scaling on heals (but not health restoration, like Signet of Malice’s passive or Invigorating Precision), because clearly we’re all running Seraph’s gear or something …

If thief get’s a nerf we are F’ed if we get a buff, everyone else is F’ed. Hopefully we get a happy medium

Tooltip corrections?

“bug” fixes?

i best enjoy my Bounding Dodger Vault spam while i can,
i sense nerfs on the horizon!

They will just nerf everything useful and buff condis…. per usual.

Considering this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5uupy0/wing_4_boss_1_daredevil_solo_5700/

The community won’t allow for a thief buff.

I just hope they don’t touch PI, because interruptions are so much fun with it! I don’t mind having less evades; I really do think dodge spamming is really boring to play/play against.

I should clarify, I think they may increase the unblockable aspect of basi venom. They may also move it to another skill but that seems less likely. The elite venom is basically a way to get in some solid attacks and unblockable helps make that happen.

Unblockable attacks are necessary given the amount of invulnerability and block spam. An example is how they gave warrior unblockable for six seconds on a signet. They increased the number of stacks on basi to two but that would have made the skill especially OP with sharing made baseline. Think about it, 10 stacks of interrupting stone shared among you and four others with unblockable attached. Both the stun and the unblockable aspect are very strong. But the stun is the primary concern as far as balance and sharing.

I think that basi venom could grant a separate “venom” that applies unblockable to the next set of attacks separate from the stun venom. Essentially, the unblockable effect would be like an “after affect” that continues after the main venom is consumed. This could be increased to two or more without the same risk of the stun lock that increasing the base stacks of the venom does.

Or they could reduce the ability of other classes to chain blocks together… :P

Zero Day.2594:

Considering this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5uupy0/wing_4_boss_1_daredevil_solo_5700/

The community won’t allow for a thief buff.

who cares about pve?
in PvE everything is possible when u fight brainless npc’s if ur going to boost or nerf classes based on PvE then anet is beyond horrible.

reddie.5861:

Zero Day.2594:

Considering this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5uupy0/wing_4_boss_1_daredevil_solo_5700/

The community won’t allow for a thief buff.

who cares about pve?
in PvE everything is possible when u fight brainless npc’s if ur going to boost or nerf classes based on PvE then anet is beyond horrible.

Just think of the outcries…

“Buffed thief!?!?! wtf?!?!?! they could already solo wing 4 of a raid that no other class can!!!!”

reddie.5861:

Zero Day.2594:

Considering this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5uupy0/wing_4_boss_1_daredevil_solo_5700/

The community won’t allow for a thief buff.

who cares about pve?
in PvE everything is possible when u fight brainless npc’s if ur going to boost or nerf classes based on PvE then anet is beyond horrible.

Your outrage is all the more reason for them to have split the game modes in the first place, rather than balacing the entire game around one singular mode of play that has no bearing on anything else.

It’s why so much of the game is screwed up right now.

fluffdragon.1523:

reddie.5861:

Zero Day.2594:

Considering this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5uupy0/wing_4_boss_1_daredevil_solo_5700/

The community won’t allow for a thief buff.

who cares about pve?
in PvE everything is possible when u fight brainless npc’s if ur going to boost or nerf classes based on PvE then anet is beyond horrible.

Your outrage is all the more reason for them to have split the game modes in the first place, rather than balacing the entire game around one singular mode of play that has no bearing on anything else.

It’s why so much of the game is screwed up right now.

The split balancing, i think, is a philosophical thing. As in, on one hand supposedly things will be balanced better per mode. On the other hand, it would take more resources and make the flow between game modes feel crappy.

For instance.

We can agree that it should be split up like so:

• PvE
• WvW
• sPvP

But then PvE has a few of it’s own…
Open-world-PvE (OWPvE)
Fracts (and dungeons)
Raids

So really:

• OWPvE
• Fracts
• Raids
• WvW
• sPvP

Now, the gear already changes when you enter sPvP, but for other modes it doesn’t.
Think how awkward it would be to adjust each time to each of those modes. Yeah, partially it’s due to the lack of a builder saver… But I mean what if D/D played different across all 5 or so modes?

We getting nerfed bois

I suppose the question is not really what but rather how much ?

we gonna get obliterated to unplayable

bluri.2653:

We getting nerfed bois

i feel left out

bluri.2653:

we gonna get obliterated to unplayable

given how you, Zan and co. have access to certain, cough, information, cough, i am actually worried now…

When is this happening?

I hope Sind is just trolling a bit but yeah worried too. Nerfing D/P isn’t going to make any of the hipster weapons better at all. We’ll just be left with kitten choices all around.

Ahahah maybe s/d will be our best set now.

Hype for “make s/d great again” people !

Wargameur.6950:

Ahahah maybe s/d will be our best set now.

Hype for “make s/d great again” people !

People will just play acro staff…. or join the bandwagon of DHs or whatever is next OP and stupidly rewarding thing. Just like everyone did in season 1 when thief class was total trash.

i dont think sind has a sense of humor :p so nerf’s are more then likely coming indeed.

If Ghost Thief survives through a full balance patch, ANet has completely lost touch with the game.

Cynz.9437:

Wargameur.6950:

Ahahah maybe s/d will be our best set now.

Hype for “make s/d great again” people !

People will just play acro staff…. or join the bandwagon of DHs or whatever is next OP and stupidly rewarding thing. Just like everyone did in season 1 when thief class was total trash.

You are assuming they won’t nerf PI and acro staff at the same time. I find you odly optimistic on that one Cynz

Wargameur.6950:

Cynz.9437:

Wargameur.6950:

Ahahah maybe s/d will be our best set now.

Hype for “make s/d great again” people !

People will just play acro staff…. or join the bandwagon of DHs or whatever is next OP and stupidly rewarding thing. Just like everyone did in season 1 when thief class was total trash.

You are assuming they won’t nerf PI and acro staff at the same time. I find you odly optimistic on that one Cynz

That is why i said “join the bandwagon of DHs”. My optimism died when original balancing team left this company (by the looks of it) years ago.

Straegen.2938:

If Ghost Thief survives through a full balance patch, ANet has completely lost touch with the game.

Anet Loves condi, in all forms. So don’t be surprised if it survives. lol.

And since sind says we’re getting nerfed, and since he primarily plays acro from what I see, I wont generalize that comment towards power DA. :p

AikijinX.6258:

Straegen.2938:

If Ghost Thief survives through a full balance patch, ANet has completely lost touch with the game.

Anet Loves condi, in all forms. So don’t be surprised if it survives. lol.

And since sind says we’re getting nerfed, and since he primarily plays acro from what I see, I wont generalize that comment towards power DA. :p

Think i’ve heard it all. Me playing acro? I haven’t ever touched acro, think you need your eyes checked lad

bluri.2653:

AikijinX.6258:

Straegen.2938:

If Ghost Thief survives through a full balance patch, ANet has completely lost touch with the game.

Anet Loves condi, in all forms. So don’t be surprised if it survives. lol.

And since sind says we’re getting nerfed, and since he primarily plays acro from what I see, I wont generalize that comment towards power DA. :p

Think i’ve heard it all. Me playing acro? I haven’t ever touched acro, think you need your eyes checked lad

Hello Sindrener the Sizer!

Scum bag acro user.

bluri.2653:

AikijinX.6258:

Straegen.2938:

If Ghost Thief survives through a full balance patch, ANet has completely lost touch with the game.

Anet Loves condi, in all forms. So don’t be surprised if it survives. lol.

And since sind says we’re getting nerfed, and since he primarily plays acro from what I see, I wont generalize that comment towards power DA. :p

Think i’ve heard it all. Me playing acro? I haven’t ever touched acro, think you need your eyes checked lad

Ah, Shoot :p Well that’s great, Acro is trash.

Btw y’all go look at my mixtape (AikijinX Bagstab Trailer) While we wait for patch. I actually one shot oppose to those bound-steal-Stab user’s

bluri.2653:

AikijinX.6258:

Straegen.2938:

If Ghost Thief survives through a full balance patch, ANet has completely lost touch with the game.

Anet Loves condi, in all forms. So don’t be surprised if it survives. lol.

And since sind says we’re getting nerfed, and since he primarily plays acro from what I see, I wont generalize that comment towards power DA. :p

Think i’ve heard it all. Me playing acro? I haven’t ever touched acro, think you need your eyes checked lad

Was gonna say AFAIK you’ve only ever moved to SA/DrD for defenses.

Meh patch for the thief, though. Needs reworks over minnor tweaks at this point. But I can’t say I’m surprised at all.

Looking at all caltrops and traps changes, Ghost thief is now the build with the most diversity in traits and utility !

Zero Day.2594:

Since I’m loosely following this game…

I’m psych’ed about the coming skill balance changes.

My money’s on nerfs to things that are still useful and buffs to poison/traps.

Nailed it!

Zero Day.2594:

Since I’m loosely following this game…

I’m psych’ed about the coming skill balance changes.

My money’s on nerfs to things that are still useful and buffs to poison/traps.

You should have made a bigger bet haha xD

DeceiverX.8361:

bluri.2653:

AikijinX.6258:

Straegen.2938:

If Ghost Thief survives through a full balance patch, ANet has completely lost touch with the game.

Anet Loves condi, in all forms. So don’t be surprised if it survives. lol.

And since sind says we’re getting nerfed, and since he primarily plays acro from what I see, I wont generalize that comment towards power DA. :p

Think i’ve heard it all. Me playing acro? I haven’t ever touched acro, think you need your eyes checked lad

Was gonna say AFAIK you’ve only ever moved to SA/DrD for defenses.

Meh patch for the thief, though. Needs reworks over minnor tweaks at this point. But I can’t say I’m surprised at all.

I mean yeah I played SA/DRD in start of HoT but I played old acro with S/D when it was meta ofc but thats forever ago, never really touched acro in HoT

Jugglemonkey.8741:

Zero Day.2594:

Since I’m loosely following this game…

I’m psych’ed about the coming skill balance changes.

My money’s on nerfs to things that are still useful and buffs to poison/traps.

You should have made a bigger bet haha xD

Meh.

It’s kind of typical of ANet…

For some reason they have a giant bone for poisons and traps.

Wargameur.6950:

Looking at all caltrops and traps changes, Ghost thief is now the build with the most diversity in traits and utility !

I do not see Ghost Thief as getting much in the way of boosts given Condition cleanses were increased for many professions across the board.