Another big problem i noticed while trying to kil the non noob players was that they could actually hit me while i was in stealth. WHAT? This might sound weird, but while i was in stealth, the guardian AND the warrior used cleaving attacks and managed to hit me before i could get out of my SR.
Yasterday i was dueling with some members of VLK clan.
They have really good players.
To make it short i could not kill (or even close) a perma boon berserker armor Guard.
Also a condi mesmer
Also a s/s sb warrior.
I was running yishis p/d build ber-valk.
Honestly i could not find a way to even get close to kill them.
The guard killed every body but warrior than only won one time.
I do not consider myself a top thief but know how to play it decently.
This 3 profession when well played IMO are almost impossible to kill in 1v1 (as i saw them against other profession).
Is it just me that has the feeling that thief has been reduced to noob killer?
Yesterday i saw a roaming thief, engineer, and ranger, all three were up levels, and all 3 were invaders. i quickly dispatched this group using my thief techniqes… the had to die because they were uplevels and Aulmd (all up levels must die).
ANYWAY that same day, yesterday if you havent been keeping up, i saw a roaming group of 3 NON up levels, guardian, warrior, and mesmer. I quickly dispatched mesmer because AMMD (all mesmers must die) and was unable to actually kill the guardian andwarrior.
I was unable to kill them because they weren’t noobs! If they had been noobs though i wouldve been able to kill the whole lot
true story
am relevant
But condi-spammer mesmer is imposible to kill for me of course when a good player is using.
They keep spamming conditions like nothing and also teleport and stealth very often.
You know i would kill to see a 1v1 tournament with the best of each professions.
I know that the differences would be huge.
Every profession should be good at something:
Guards: tanking-supporting
Warrios: Balanced DPS and tank.
Ranger: Ranged Damage
Necromancer: CC and conditions
Thief: opportunist
Engineer: A mix of all
Feel free to get back to me in any way you know how.
you know iv’e never seen a video of a naked ele, or engie, or warrior killing people with ease. the naked videos isn’t just hey look at me i’m so pro i can beat baddies, its hey look at me i can abuse a cheap class against baddies.
with a thief its no risk since he can just perma stealth away if he’s fighting a decent player.
people can make those videos of 5v1 because they have no risk at all, if those 5 people are of equal skill the thief can just shadow step away stealth, and if he has a shortbow move 1800+ range in 2 seconds something that no other class can do.
if a warrior tries that and theres 5 equal skilled players then he’s either gonna have to run the speed build which is useless in wvw or be SoL.
and i have the audacity to say a theif standing in his pistol 5 and insta winning against warriors? oh what you don’t know how to use the pistol 5 for something other than perma stealth?
a warriors attacks aren’t long enough range to hit some thief standing in the middle of a blind field, unless he has a longbow and even then the thief can just go hide till his health comes back or just shadow shot to the warrior, not even mentioning the steal skill.
and most hammer warriors aren’t gonna carry some ranged weapon so their either gonna be all melee for best effectiveness in zergs or some random roaming build with a ranged weapon.
and the thief perma stealthing a mesmer in a keep was about the perma stealth with the pistol 5 and shortbow, without using even 1 utility. which is not a class mechanic.
not to mention your elite skill which is honestly one of the only elite skills that can be classified as “elite” gives stability, and hits everything spamming cripples, bleeds, and reflects.
you ever wonder why an ele can’t just warp in the middle of a zerg and tornado to get away or do mass amounts of aoe?
the thief killing everything in spawn is a glitch, but how is bugging out and disabling that teams merchant for that map not OP?
and no its not about a thief picking off stragglers that are falling off of a zerg its about a thief running into the middle of a zerg and killing people and getting away its not the ability to do a lot of damage its their ability to get away without a scratch because stealth has no real counters.
a warrior maybe be anets golden child, but hes not god in wvw if he wants to do CC and lots of damage he has to give up mobility, if he wants to run as fast as thieves he has to give up damage.
does a thief have to do that? no the thief can have both and always and easily maintain ultimate control.
the thief class is equally as golden as warriors.
you clearly haven’t played a thief.
i have all 8 classes i get affected by every nerf and buff, if anything i should be crying the most but i don’t because i get over it, or play something else. sometimes both.
you clearly don’t play a thief if you think they aren’t A-nets golden child, when they still refuse to fix the broken stealth mechanic with no counters. and no stealth traps aren’t counters their free kill me signs.
You clearly don’t play Thief enough. Try maining it instead of being distracted by your other 7 and trying different …lol.. different builds. It’s funny cuz there isn’t many. You also don’t pvp enough in general and fight Thieves on your other classes if you believe what you’re saying.
Also you’re constantly talking about Stealth. Ok. If people hate it so much I wont use it. OH WAIT, they’re nerfing non-stealth builds too cuz I dodge too much even though I die in 2 hits, lol. Nevermind then. Even though Sword Trickery build, which is extremely fun in pve and wvw, only dodges twice like any other class and relies entirely on vigor boon and exact timing on slow animated weapon skills and pre-setup Shadow Returns with crap for cond removal. I guess that has no risk either though since it’s getting nerfed.
Specing into our class skill Steal requires 40 points so it’s hard to spec into any else other than Critical Strikes after that. It works now though if you can avoid getting hit, will be useless after patch after sword and vigor nerfs. It’s a good team support build too~ one of our very few. I thought Anet wanted to boost support roles. :o All they think about is Venoms though, I don’t like Venoms. >.<
Try to think~ how much exactly can Thief class do? The options are so limited. Stealth isn’t the only thing, and it’s not even a big deal beyond the camera glitch.
| Fort Aspenwood (NA): Sylvari Daredevil Thief Main: All Classes 80. | Please Remove/Fix Thief Trait: “Last Refuge.” “Hard to Catch” is a Horrible and Useless Trait. Fixed 6/23/15. Praise Dwayna.
I have two warriors and one ele on 80, which I play both. Yes, I agree that warriors are overpowered – no doubt about it. But thiefs are too(inbound for flame in 3,2,1…). I dont have a thief on 80, but I know how the basic mechanics work. Thiefs are easy to play and they hit hard, very hard. They can go stealth and escape a fight if they want, just to come back with a teleport and hit like crazy(I need to come up with a 5 skill combo on my ele to get out the same damage you do on your thiefs spamming one button).
And please stop complaining about the guy in the video. It´s a guild raid: you can even go with a twink there and you´ll kill every zerg because you ll get perfect timed stability, health, might, movement etc.
the only reason thief’s r hated so much is that there is a couple outnumbered vids. and they r a assassin no one likes to be assassinated but there r plenty of ways to kill them .
tele nuke guard . judges intervention with symbol of wrath and with some kind of knock down / immobilize . whirling wrath … and what ever boons traits to make it stronger can be a insta kill on a thief before that can react lol every time that tele port skill is charged its an insta kill on a thief . i wish i had a vid but its not even funny ….
i wish instead of destroying the thief that they could
1.add new classes to change things up
2. make mesmer’s more mobile / give rangers even more range maybe a rifle to snipe!
idk but u r taking a class that has a high skill lvl to use it and making it pointless to use. thats the only reason people like to play thief. and trust me i do not just care about the thief i play mesmer ranger guard i had a warrior till i was falling asleep playing it . am going to start an engine because that r like the perfect thief killer . i am srry but everyone just wants the thief to hold still sou can smash it in 3 hits
the only reason thief’s r hated so much is that there is a couple outnumbered vids. and that r a assassin no one likes to be assassinated but there r plenty of ways to kill them .
tele nuke guard . judges intervention with symbol of wrath and with some kind of knock down / immobilize . whirling wrath … and what ever boons traits to make it stronger can be a insta kill on a thief before that can react lol every time that tele port skill is charged its an insta kill on a thief . i wish i had a vid but its not even funny ….
i wish instead of destroying the thief that that could
1.add new classes to change things up
2. make mesmer’s more mobile / give rangers even more range maybe a rifle to snipe!
idk but u r taking a class that has a high skill lvl to use it and making it pointless to use. thats the only reason people like to play thief. and trust me i do not just care about the thief i play mesmer ranger guard i had a warrior till i was falling asleep playing it . am going to start an engine because that r like the perfect thief killer
