Of course you wont see any… they’re “perma-stealthed”.
The only way one knows about thieves is through word of mouth about how OP they are and that some friend/relative got backstabbed to death sometime ago… horrible horrible incident.
Worst 1v1 class in the game. No reason to solo/roam WVW as anything but eng/necro/ele/warrior or do zerg fights as anything but ele/guardian/warrior/necro.
Well, the Risk vs Reward as a thief isn’t really worth it when you look at the same thing for other classes.
Thieves are imo the most fun to play, hence I stick to it, but yeah… You’re making a safer choice going for one of the other classes.
Garbage if you choose to play it that way, OP if you choose to play it that way.
Nobody’s going to say anything concrete, because frankly whenever a class has something remotely nice about it people run crying to the class discussion threads about how a class being convenient in a niche situation is unbalanced and too easy, and whenever a class has genuine deficiencies or would suffer in situations where it shouldn’t, it’s a L2P issue.
Anet has the metrics. If something is wrong with the amount of people playing and winning with certain classes, they’ll give credence to whatever is the most whined-about feature or lack and buff/nerf it for 6 months.
Eventually itll get nowhere.
Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.
Aww so many scrub thieves crying, you can actually push 2 buttons not just autoattack and you might win against other scrub
Thieves are most OP class in 1 vs 1 these days.
this really, if you roam as a thief in wvw, either you win, or no one wins
unless you are bad…and you will not get stomp by trains or zergs or teams either, you can even take on multiple enemies easier, or even stack stealth in enemy castle
i had a tons of fun staying in enemy castle and murdering afking enemies.
oh btw in dueling pvp server, easily half of the players are thieves.
and btw don’t say i dont know stuff, because im probably more experienced on thief then most of you here.
Well, From what i’m reading on this topic, Your saying i should just reroll becuase theif aren’t getting better?
Well, yes, thieves won’t get better – you might become better though, I will still main thief unless anet makes it really unplayable or forces me into a direction I don’t want to be, like not using stealth anymore etc.
Yes, I like stealth and I also like to fight against thieves.
All jokes and ridiculous bragging aside, well. The Thieves are present and will remain present no matter the nerfs because of its general representation in theme and gameplay. Plus I wouldn’t underestimate one, if you tone down your expectations to the level of the average, underperforming Thief you meet in WvW, a good one will then drive you mad.
Disgruntled Charr Engineer and Thief – Jade Quarry.
Well, From what i’m reading on this topic, Your saying i should just reroll becuase theif aren’t getting better?
Thieves have gotten nerfed, sometimes quite heavily, in every patch since release.
If they’re too weak for you right now, don’t hold out. It’ll only continue downhill from here.
I nearly quit at one point because I got sick of being the dev team’s punching bag.
It isn’t even a question of viability at that point; it’s knowing that everyone literally is out to get you. Even the people who made the freakin’ game.
Well, From what i’m reading on this topic, Your saying i should just reroll becuase theif aren’t getting better?
Thieves have gotten nerfed, sometimes quite heavily, in every patch since release.
If they’re too weak for you right now, don’t hold out. It’ll only continue downhill from here.
I nearly quit at one point because I got sick of being the dev team’s punching bag.
It isn’t even a question of viability at that point; it’s knowing that everyone literally is out to get you. Even the people who made the freakin’ game.
(Warriors are in the same boat also)
Don’t reroll if you like the class. The nerfs will continue to come because people cannot handle the core mechanics of the class, but eventually Anet will realize that the players complaining about thief don’t want it balanced, they want it Gone.
If you would like to be a good thief, its possible. It will just take more work than people are content on putting in. That work translates into skill though, and that is something that is rare among the competitive community that believes that builds are the only thing they need to put work into to be viable.
Embrace the difficulty. surpass it and do well. If you ever get to the point where you find your potential capped because your class has been bubble wrapped to incompetency, you can move to something else and take that skill with you.
Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.
All jokes and ridiculous bragging aside, well. The Thieves are present and will remain present no matter the nerfs because of its general representation in theme and gameplay. Plus I wouldn’t underestimate one, if you tone down your expectations to the level of the average, underperforming Thief you meet in WvW, a good one will then drive you mad.
Yup, that’s very true, I doubt they will be removing/deleting professions. As for the second bit, also true as I don’t see them removing stealth from the game… You don’t have to be “good” to CnD troll someone till they’re pulling their hairs out. (Exaggerating the fact that people seem to be maddened by, not the skill of their opponent, but the “cheap” tactics they use)
Well, From what i’m reading on this topic, Your saying i should just reroll becuase theif aren’t getting better?
Thieves have gotten nerfed, sometimes quite heavily, in every patch since release.
If they’re too weak for you right now, don’t hold out. It’ll only continue downhill from here.
I nearly quit at one point because I got sick of being the dev team’s punching bag.
It isn’t even a question of viability at that point; it’s knowing that everyone literally is out to get you. Even the people who made the freakin’ game.
(Warriors are in the same boat also)
Don’t reroll if you like the class. The nerfs will continue to come because people cannot handle the core mechanics of the class, but eventually Anet will realize that the players complaining about thief don’t want it balanced, they want it Gone.
If you would like to be a good thief, its possible. It will just take more work than people are content on putting in. That work translates into skill though, and that is something that is rare among the competitive community that believes that builds are the only thing they need to put work into to be viable.
Embrace the difficulty. surpass it and do well. If you ever get to the point where you find your potential capped because your class has been bubble wrapped to incompetency, you can move to something else and take that skill with you.
…or…here’s a better idea…just hear me out now:
instead of wasting a colossal amount of time to do all that to realize they are “bubble wrapped to incompetency”, they can read the comments from other thief players, and save themselves that time…to go re-roll a class that won’t get kitten on every single patch (sometimes quite unnecessarily).
Well, i heard were getting Rifle as a new weapon and specialization , Will that make theifs better?
No, it won’t.
The weapon is completely unnecessary on the class. Instead of giving rifle, they should FIX P/P.
On a side note: Has anyone ever seen a dev play a thief, excluding when they previewed the Queen’s Gauntlet…cause that thing was a disaster. It was some intense skillful P/P 3 spam gameplay.
Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
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Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.
Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.
Well then they failed because it is incredibly easy to reset the fight and hit your opponent over and over until they make a mistake or have needed skills on cooldown.
Also known as Puck when my account isn’t suspended
LGN
Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.
Well then they failed because it is incredibly easy to reset the fight and hit your opponent over and over until they make a mistake or have needed skills on cooldown.
Yeah, sure, my skills have no cooldowns, I can reset whenever I like =)
Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.
Well then they failed because it is incredibly easy to reset the fight and hit your opponent over and over until they make a mistake or have needed skills on cooldown.
Yeah, sure, my skills have no cooldowns, I can reset whenever I like =)
…. Two thirds of the skills a thief carries don’t have cooldowns, they have initiative cost. We have multiple useful stun breaks that are also gap openers/closers, we can pretty much just shrug off immobilize and we can maintain stealth long enough to fully heal without ever leaving combat.
When fighting multiple people they might be able to lock you down eventually but if you can’t escape 1 person you need to work on your game.
Also known as Puck when my account isn’t suspended
LGN
Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.
Well then they failed because it is incredibly easy to reset the fight and hit your opponent over and over until they make a mistake or have needed skills on cooldown.
No, thief is the worst 1v1 class in the entire game. If you’re losing to a thief it’s you, unless they’re s/d or p/d, but you can just run from p/d and they can’t stop you, and s/d is extremely weak in group pvp and does very low damage. Can probably run away from s/d too, honestly, you’ll probably get to a tower/keep before they can kill you.
Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.
Well then they failed because it is incredibly easy to reset the fight and hit your opponent over and over until they make a mistake or have needed skills on cooldown.
No, thief is the worst 1v1 class in the entire game. If you’re losing to a thief it’s you, unless they’re s/d or p/d, but you can just run from p/d and they can’t stop you, and s/d is extremely weak in group pvp and does very low damage. Can probably run away from s/d too, honestly, you’ll probably get to a tower/keep before they can kill you.
So now they are the worst as long as they aren’t running 2 of the most common thief builds?
Care to explain why they are the worst 1v1 class? Are you running around with fireworks instead of weapons? Oh wait, even fireworks are unfair in a 1v1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-d9vGO52E you must be running around with the birthday blaster.
Also known as Puck when my account isn’t suspended
LGN
Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.
Well then they failed because it is incredibly easy to reset the fight and hit your opponent over and over until they make a mistake or have needed skills on cooldown.
No, thief is the worst 1v1 class in the entire game. If you’re losing to a thief it’s you, unless they’re s/d or p/d, but you can just run from p/d and they can’t stop you, and s/d is extremely weak in group pvp and does very low damage. Can probably run away from s/d too, honestly, you’ll probably get to a tower/keep before they can kill you.
Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.
Well then they failed because it is incredibly easy to reset the fight and hit your opponent over and over until they make a mistake or have needed skills on cooldown.
No, thief is the worst 1v1 class in the entire game. If you’re losing to a thief it’s you, unless they’re s/d or p/d, but you can just run from p/d and they can’t stop you, and s/d is extremely weak in group pvp and does very low damage. Can probably run away from s/d too, honestly, you’ll probably get to a tower/keep before they can kill you.
So now they are the worst as long as they aren’t running 2 of the most common thief builds?
Care to explain why they are the worst 1v1 class? Are you running around with fireworks instead of weapons? Oh wait, even fireworks are unfair in a 1v1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-d9vGO52E you must be running around with the birthday blaster.
You can run from p/d, s/d takes a decade to kill you, has no team fight potential, and you can probably run from it before it kills you as well.
Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.
Well then they failed because it is incredibly easy to reset the fight and hit your opponent over and over until they make a mistake or have needed skills on cooldown.
No, thief is the worst 1v1 class in the entire game. If you’re losing to a thief it’s you, unless they’re s/d or p/d, but you can just run from p/d and they can’t stop you, and s/d is extremely weak in group pvp and does very low damage. Can probably run away from s/d too, honestly, you’ll probably get to a tower/keep before they can kill you.
So now they are the worst as long as they aren’t running 2 of the most common thief builds?
Care to explain why they are the worst 1v1 class? Are you running around with fireworks instead of weapons? Oh wait, even fireworks are unfair in a 1v1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-d9vGO52E you must be running around with the birthday blaster.
You can run from p/d, s/d takes a decade to kill you, has no team fight potential, and you can probably run from it before it kills you as well.
So your argument that a class has the worst 1v1 potential is that it doesn’t have team fight potential? Are you drunk right now?
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Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.
Well then they failed because it is incredibly easy to reset the fight and hit your opponent over and over until they make a mistake or have needed skills on cooldown.
Yeah, sure, my skills have no cooldowns, I can reset whenever I like =)
…. Two thirds of the skills a thief carries don’t have cooldowns, they have initiative cost. We have multiple useful stun breaks that are also gap openers/closers, we can pretty much just shrug off immobilize and we can maintain stealth long enough to fully heal without ever leaving combat.
When fighting multiple people they might be able to lock you down eventually but if you can’t escape 1 person you need to work on your game.
The skills depending on initative won’t let you reset a fight. That was my point.
Play thief some more to learn the class, maybe?
Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.
Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.
Well then they failed because it is incredibly easy to reset the fight and hit your opponent over and over until they make a mistake or have needed skills on cooldown.
Yeah, sure, my skills have no cooldowns, I can reset whenever I like =)
…. Two thirds of the skills a thief carries don’t have cooldowns, they have initiative cost. We have multiple useful stun breaks that are also gap openers/closers, we can pretty much just shrug off immobilize and we can maintain stealth long enough to fully heal without ever leaving combat.
When fighting multiple people they might be able to lock you down eventually but if you can’t escape 1 person you need to work on your game.
The skills depending on initative won’t let you reset a fight. That was my point.
Play thief some more to learn the class, maybe?
I’ve played my thief enough to learn how to manage my initiative in a 1v1. If you can’t do that then you are being outplayed, don’t blame the whole profession because you are getting outplayed.
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I’ve played my thief enough to learn how to manage my initiative in a 1v1. If you can’t do that then you are being outplayed, don’t blame the whole profession because you are getting outplayed.
I’ve played my thief enough to learn how to manage my initiative in a 1v1. If you can’t do that then you are being outplayed, don’t blame the whole profession because you are getting outplayed.
I very much doubt that.
Provide a valid reason why thieves are bad in a 1v1 fight. All you are doing is claiming they are bad because you said so. If you fight like you argue then it is no surprise you can’t 1v1.
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I’ve played my thief enough to learn how to manage my initiative in a 1v1. If you can’t do that then you are being outplayed, don’t blame the whole profession because you are getting outplayed.
I very much doubt that.
Provide a valid reason why thieves are bad in a 1v1 fight. All you are doing is claiming they are bad because you said so. If you fight like you argue then it is no surprise you can’t 1v1.
True in this thread I answered you just like you claimed – so you say “They can beat everybody (without giving any reason)” I say "They can’t (also without giving a reason because you gave none and because you don’t seem to know the class, so it would be an aweful lot of explaining and that for someone who obviously doesn’t want to hear it (you)).
I’ve played my thief enough to learn how to manage my initiative in a 1v1. If you can’t do that then you are being outplayed, don’t blame the whole profession because you are getting outplayed.
I very much doubt that.
Provide a valid reason why thieves are bad in a 1v1 fight. All you are doing is claiming they are bad because you said so. If you fight like you argue then it is no surprise you can’t 1v1.
True in this thread I answered you just like you claimed – so you say “They can beat everybody (without giving any reason)” I say "They can’t (also without giving a reason because you gave none and because you don’t seem to know the class, so it would be an aweful lot of explaining and that for someone who obviously doesn’t want to hear it (you)).
From 2 separate posts
“multiple useful stun breaks that are also gap openers/closers, we can pretty much just shrug off immobilize and we can maintain stealth long enough to fully heal without ever leaving combat.”
" a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth."
I get the impression that you believe the only way to 1v1 is to go 100% glass and instantly burst someone down, and since the crit nerf that isn’t easy to do. What you fail to realize is the best 1v1 classes are the ones with high sustain. Thieves sustain comes from using hit and run tactics which thieves are amazing at for all the reasons I listed above.
Feel free to respond with something valid.
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LGN
I’ve played my thief enough to learn how to manage my initiative in a 1v1. If you can’t do that then you are being outplayed, don’t blame the whole profession because you are getting outplayed.
I very much doubt that.
Provide a valid reason why thieves are bad in a 1v1 fight. All you are doing is claiming they are bad because you said so. If you fight like you argue then it is no surprise you can’t 1v1.
True in this thread I answered you just like you claimed – so you say “They can beat everybody (without giving any reason)” I say "They can’t (also without giving a reason because you gave none and because you don’t seem to know the class, so it would be an aweful lot of explaining and that for someone who obviously doesn’t want to hear it (you)).
From 2 separate posts
“multiple useful stun breaks that are also gap openers/closers, we can pretty much just shrug off immobilize and we can maintain stealth long enough to fully heal without ever leaving combat.”
" a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth."
I get the impression that you believe the only way to 1v1 is to go 100% glass and instantly burst someone down, and since the crit nerf that isn’t easy to do. What you fail to realize is the best 1v1 classes are the ones with high sustain. Thieves sustain comes from using hit and run tactics which thieves are amazing at for all the reasons I listed above.
Feel free to respond with something valid.
Ask me as a former soldier’s thief and ask any thief who tried to survive (me) as a non glasscannon – you can’t survive as a tanky thief since april last year.
Not every thief has got access to all these things you’ve mentioned, so you have to sacrifice stuff in order to get other stuff. I know that that’s the case for all classes but a thief who’s got stun breaker, stun, interrupt and teleports has got no condi removal. A thief with lots of blinds has got condi removal but only one possible interrupt (basilisk venom) – So I think that thief has got to sacrifice too much to get some utility and that’s deadly against some other classes in a 1vs1 scenario (engineer, elementalist, medi guard Edit: Oh, I forgot necro. Some are rather good and know what they’re doing and in that case the stolen skill isn’t enough).
Better?
I’ve played my thief enough to learn how to manage my initiative in a 1v1. If you can’t do that then you are being outplayed, don’t blame the whole profession because you are getting outplayed.
I very much doubt that.
Provide a valid reason why thieves are bad in a 1v1 fight. All you are doing is claiming they are bad because you said so. If you fight like you argue then it is no surprise you can’t 1v1.
True in this thread I answered you just like you claimed – so you say “They can beat everybody (without giving any reason)” I say "They can’t (also without giving a reason because you gave none and because you don’t seem to know the class, so it would be an aweful lot of explaining and that for someone who obviously doesn’t want to hear it (you)).
From 2 separate posts
“multiple useful stun breaks that are also gap openers/closers, we can pretty much just shrug off immobilize and we can maintain stealth long enough to fully heal without ever leaving combat.”
" a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth."
I get the impression that you believe the only way to 1v1 is to go 100% glass and instantly burst someone down, and since the crit nerf that isn’t easy to do. What you fail to realize is the best 1v1 classes are the ones with high sustain. Thieves sustain comes from using hit and run tactics which thieves are amazing at for all the reasons I listed above.
Feel free to respond with something valid.
Ask me as a former soldier’s thief and ask any thief who tried to survive (me) as a non glasscannon – you can’t survive as a tanky thief since april last year.
Not every thief has got access to all these things you’ve mentioned, so you have to sacrifice stuff in order to get other stuff. I know that that’s the case for all classes but a thief who’s got stun breaker, stun, interrupt and teleports has got no condi removal. A thief with lots of blinds has got condi removal but only one possible interrupt (basilisk venom) – So I think that thief has got to sacrifice too much to get some utility and that’s deadly against some other classes in a 1vs1 scenario (engineer, elementalist, medi guard Edit: Oh, I forgot necro. Some are rather good and know what they’re doing and in that case the stolen skill isn’t enough).
Better?
It would be better if it was true. I mean just look at the D/P roaming build on meta battle and you have access to every single one of those things you just mentioned, all in 1 build.
I was joking before but I am really starting to think some of you are just running around with the birthday blaster.
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LGN
I’ve played my thief enough to learn how to manage my initiative in a 1v1. If you can’t do that then you are being outplayed, don’t blame the whole profession because you are getting outplayed.
I very much doubt that.
Provide a valid reason why thieves are bad in a 1v1 fight. All you are doing is claiming they are bad because you said so. If you fight like you argue then it is no surprise you can’t 1v1.
True in this thread I answered you just like you claimed – so you say “They can beat everybody (without giving any reason)” I say "They can’t (also without giving a reason because you gave none and because you don’t seem to know the class, so it would be an aweful lot of explaining and that for someone who obviously doesn’t want to hear it (you)).
From 2 separate posts
“multiple useful stun breaks that are also gap openers/closers, we can pretty much just shrug off immobilize and we can maintain stealth long enough to fully heal without ever leaving combat.”
" a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth."
I get the impression that you believe the only way to 1v1 is to go 100% glass and instantly burst someone down, and since the crit nerf that isn’t easy to do. What you fail to realize is the best 1v1 classes are the ones with high sustain. Thieves sustain comes from using hit and run tactics which thieves are amazing at for all the reasons I listed above.
Feel free to respond with something valid.
Ask me as a former soldier’s thief and ask any thief who tried to survive (me) as a non glasscannon – you can’t survive as a tanky thief since april last year.
Not every thief has got access to all these things you’ve mentioned, so you have to sacrifice stuff in order to get other stuff. I know that that’s the case for all classes but a thief who’s got stun breaker, stun, interrupt and teleports has got no condi removal. A thief with lots of blinds has got condi removal but only one possible interrupt (basilisk venom) – So I think that thief has got to sacrifice too much to get some utility and that’s deadly against some other classes in a 1vs1 scenario (engineer, elementalist, medi guard Edit: Oh, I forgot necro. Some are rather good and know what they’re doing and in that case the stolen skill isn’t enough).
Better?
