Guild Wars 2

So I would like to know from you Arenanet, with your own words, and no quotes from GW2 Wiki either (Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves can move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which can make them very hard to hit.) , because that definition has become obsolete it seems.

1. We currently can get outstealthed by mesmers

2. Our burst damage has been cut in half numerous times, with little to no compensation

3. Steal Bundles like (Ice Shard, or throw gunk) are borderline useless, and produce a fraction of damage towards an enemy.
I only hope the revenant steal skill will be something useful, Or maybe even get a different steal bundle on different legend changes, same goes for elementalist. I wish we got different steal bundles that related to their element attunement, which would force Thieves to think a lot more about when to engage.

4. There is a lot more counter play towards stealth (And i’m not knocking it, because i think it’s a great idea), but when a Thief gets perma revealed with reveal stacking that’s when it becomes a problem.

5. Shiro now has access to a blink with an evasion frame, have we become outclassed in blinking as well? not to mention the CnD- like skill #5 on Sword/Sword that rides the mist backwards, but also pulls, and the Unrelenting Assault going through and following portal teleports. (But I digress)

—Anyway I can go on and on, but i would really like these questions to be answered.

1. How do you define the Thief class?
2. What our role is to offer?
3. What differentiates us from the other classes?
4. What are our pro’s and con’s?

EDIT: I have 5.4k Hours on this class, and this class alone. (All I’ve played since beta) so I apologize if I seem a little ill mannered in anything. I’m just frustrated with the constant threads I see popping up about how Thief has no role in this game anymore, and no where to be, how many threads need to be made by different players about the same feeling about being outclassed until someone listens and hears us? I just wanted those questions answered, and any additional information if possible.

a scapegoat for all qq, that what we are

Cynz.9437:

a scapegoat for all qq, that what we are

Not to mention our Might boon has been stripped from us, and given to Shiro, Vigor cut in half, and Stability limited.

It says “Thieves have an affinity for setting traps, and using venoms” yet both are very weak, and the builds that we are forced to play have been nerfed.

Best Elite spec would be the Capt. Ginyu move from DBZ. Switch classes with your opponent then murder them because thief is so badly outclassed.

Warhawk.7095:

Best Elite spec would be the Capt. Ginyu move from DBZ. Switch classes with your opponent then murder them because thief is so badly outclassed.

Hey I don’t want them to feel insulted and then lock this thread. I am really earnestly looking for answers from them.

Sorry, people were talking about potential steal changes and new buttons… and that came into my head and was too good to let slide.

They are not going to answer you: reality is, too many players rolled thief (for RP purposes/pve mainly) and this class will continue get nerfed to garbage tier for the sake of:
- reducing numbers of thieves in game to improve statistics
- to please QQing masses

Oh and obviously they will never admit that none of them ever touched thief or they would know about backstab bug for example or wouldn’t embarass themself so badly on POI stream by not knowing neither trait names nor what they do.

Warhawk.7095:

Sorry, people were talking about potential steal changes and new buttons… and that came into my head and was too good to let slide.

Thats quite okay., and you are free to express your questions to Anet in this thread too.

Cynz.9437:

They are not going to answer you: reality is, too many players rolled thief (for RP purposes/pve mainly) and this class will continue get nerfed to garbage tier for the sake of:
- reducing numbers of thieves in game to improve statistics
- to please QQing masses

Oh and obviously they will never admit that none of them ever touched thief or they would know about backstab bug for example or wouldn’t embrass themself so badly on POI stream by not knowing neither trait names nor what they do.

Yeah it really pained me seeing that Karl couldn’t remember trait names, and he is in charge of Thief, but I know he has a lot of other things to do other than Thief, but it just hurt.

My hope is the new spec,if it fails it is safe to say,after 3.7k hours on thief im gonna reroll.

Sandrox.9524:

My hope is the new spec,if it fails it is safe to say,after 3.7k hours on thief im gonna reroll.

Would hate to see you reroll. Lets just see what this elite spec brings for us.

AikijinX.6258:

Warhawk.7095:

Best Elite spec would be the Capt. Ginyu move from DBZ. Switch classes with your opponent then murder them because thief is so badly outclassed.

Hey I don’t want them to feel insulted and then lock this thread. I am really earnestly looking for answers from them.

Ha! Like ANet are going to respond to this m8. You’ve asked fair questions in an articulate manner… they don’t GAF!

Best solution is to stop playing thief until they fix it. I quit playing gw2, I will come back if they fix the thief class.

I had enough !!

If we thieves really want a response, why not flood the other professions sub forums that ACTUALLY get noticed.

I’m willing to risk infraction for that, hell im risking infraction condoning it xD

ixon.2496:

If we thieves really want a response, why not flood the other professions sub forums that ACTUALLY get noticed.

I’m willing to risk infraction for that, hell im risking infraction condoning it xD

would but can’t~

This reminds me of(old) necro forums…ironic..

Problem with trying other sub forums is you get bombarded with all the qq nubs who never even tried playing thief, but because they got backstabbed one time without seeing it, thieves are OP and then they demand we get nerfed even more.

Then that gets piggybacked by hundred of other similar nubs and it actually happens, while warrior, ele, and mes continue to get buffed, and we sit here laughing at just how unbalanced this game actually is.

I would, but I have 2 infractions already lol…

Cynz.9437:

a scapegoat for all qq, that what we are

The QQ’s ceased… I’m kind of starving actually…

It’s probably Free-Loot bag, that’s the role. But it’s not really, because, you know, it’s just hard to master. Yup. Legit.

ixon.2496:

If we thieves really want a response, why not flood the other professions sub forums that ACTUALLY get noticed.

I’m willing to risk infraction for that, hell im risking infraction condoning it xD

I did try to organize something like that once, no one really followed through.

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

a scapegoat for all qq, that what we are

The QQ’s ceased… I’m kind of starving actually…

It’s probably Free-Loot bag, that’s the role. But it’s not really, because, you know, it’s just hard to master. Yup. Legit.

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ixon.2496:

If we thieves really want a response, why not flood the other professions sub forums that ACTUALLY get noticed.

I’m willing to risk infraction for that, hell im risking infraction condoning it xD

I did try to organize something like that once, no one really followed through.

dude you are not looking good enough, check pvp and wvw forums, people still cry that thieves dare to have spot in tourneys

Cynz.9437:

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

a scapegoat for all qq, that what we are

The QQ’s ceased… I’m kind of starving actually…

It’s probably Free-Loot bag, that’s the role. But it’s not really, because, you know, it’s just hard to master. Yup. Legit.

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ixon.2496:

If we thieves really want a response, why not flood the other professions sub forums that ACTUALLY get noticed.

I’m willing to risk infraction for that, hell im risking infraction condoning it xD

I did try to organize something like that once, no one really followed through.

dude you are not looking good enough, check pvp and wvw forums, people still cry that thieves dare to have spot in tourneys

:/ I guess I’m used to having the QQ’s to come our forums…

AikijinX.6258:

I would, but I have 2 infractions already lol…

Grow a set. I have 4 :P

Well it appears there is going to be even more BURNING with Warrior getting torch and significant upgrades to the beta test burns of the existing classes.

We can be firewood

Shoot i thought after 3 it was a ban :p, but i still wouldn’t go to those lengths. I just really hope we get some sort of communication, or sign okittennowledgement that this thread was read by a dev.

uglydan.1638:

AikijinX.6258:

I would, but I have 2 infractions already lol…

Grow a set. I have 4 :P

AikijinX.6258:

It says “Thieves have an affinity for setting traps, and using venoms” yet both are very weak, and the builds that we are forced to play have been nerfed.

Hey speak for yourself, I’m using a trapper backstab build and it kittenin rocks. But I agree with everything else you’ve stated.

uglydan.1638:

AikijinX.6258:

I would, but I have 2 infractions already lol…

Grow a set. I have 4 :P

You should see a doctor…

reinforever.8902:

AikijinX.6258:

It says “Thieves have an affinity for setting traps, and using venoms” yet both are very weak, and the builds that we are forced to play have been nerfed.

Hey speak for yourself, I’m using a trapper backstab build and it kittenin rocks. But I agree with everything else you’ve stated.

Yeah, well all power to you. You are 1 in a million. A thief that can successfully run a trapper spec. I would be interested in seeing a montage video, but thank you.

AikijinX.6258:

Yeah, well all power to you. You are 1 in a million. A thief that can successfully run a trapper spec. I would be interested in seeing a montage video, but thank you.

You’re righto on that, everyone I’ve tried to convince that the build is good says it sucks. But good idea, I think I will make a short montage vid!

Edit: Suggest me some decent free recording software. Does the built in windows 10 stuff actually work?

reinforever.8902:

AikijinX.6258:

It says “Thieves have an affinity for setting traps, and using venoms” yet both are very weak, and the builds that we are forced to play have been nerfed.

Hey speak for yourself, I’m using a trapper backstab build and it kittenin rocks. But I agree with everything else you’ve stated.

I used to run traps I started hating it because I had to rely on a rune if played properly it can compare to d/p since CiS is no longer mandatory but you could just just run traditional d/p and be more effective. The stealth on trap should have been a trait this shows how sorry they actually and how bad they are supported by their own ckass. Even if the runes come to PvP I doubt I would go back to traps.

reinforever.8902:

AikijinX.6258:

Yeah, well all power to you. You are 1 in a million. A thief that can successfully run a trapper spec. I would be interested in seeing a montage video, but thank you.

You’re righto on that, everyone I’ve tried to convince that the build is good says it sucks. But good idea, I think I will make a short montage vid!

Edit: Suggest me some decent free recording software. Does the built in windows 10 stuff actually work?

Stay away from windows 10, it’s the plague…..

Sagat.3285:

reinforever.8902:

AikijinX.6258:

It says “Thieves have an affinity for setting traps, and using venoms” yet both are very weak, and the builds that we are forced to play have been nerfed.

Hey speak for yourself, I’m using a trapper backstab build and it kittenin rocks. But I agree with everything else you’ve stated.

I used to run traps I started hating it because I had to rely on a rune if played properly it can compare to d/p since CiS is no longer mandatory but you could just just run traditional d/p and be more effective. The stealth on trap should have been a trait this shows how sorry they actually and how bad they are supported by their own ckass. Even if the runes come to PvP I doubt I would go back to traps.

I agree we should’ve had a trait that gave Thieves stealth with traps. I totally agree. and thats actually a great suggestion!

Sagat.3285:

I used to run traps I started hating it because I had to rely on a rune if played properly it can compare to d/p since CiS is no longer mandatory but you could just just run traditional d/p and be more effective. The stealth on trap should have been a trait this shows how sorry they actually and how bad they are supported by their own ckass. Even if the runes come to PvP I doubt I would go back to traps.

True it relies on a rune, but many other builds have to rely on something. I agree to disagree about traditional d/p being better though, because personally I’m having way more luck with the trap build.
Things I lose : a stun break (this is the worst one)
SR (obsolete for me personally)
Infil signet(again, obsolete for this build)

Things I gain:
Permastealth if I do the rotation right (and can be done at any time while actually in combat) yes I mean true permastealth as in I never leave stealth unless I stop doing anything.
Superspeed for backstabs and escapes and gap closing
free initiative to spam d/p 3 to stick to target.
Lots of cc from traps, knockdown, cripple, immobilize, pull from the thief npc, plus one trap applies some poison to help with those pesky healers.

Like I said, for me personally the trapper build outweighs traditional d/p and it just synergizes well for my playstyle.

Edit: If they did make stealth on trap a trait for DA (since the rest of the trap traits are there) i’d jump with joy. But I think it’s too late for that now since we have the rune already and we’re one of 3 classes with traps at all.

Edit 2: Something I forgot to add was that traps also give 5 stacks of might for 10 s each when they’re activated, and also apply 5 stacks of vuln which overall increases the dps. Maybe not as important, but definitely awesome.

reinforever.8902:

Sagat.3285:

I used to run traps I started hating it because I had to rely on a rune if played properly it can compare to d/p since CiS is no longer mandatory but you could just just run traditional d/p and be more effective. The stealth on trap should have been a trait this shows how sorry they actually and how bad they are supported by their own ckass. Even if the runes come to PvP I doubt I would go back to traps.

True it relies on a rune, but many other builds have to rely on something. I agree to disagree about traditional d/p being better though, because personally I’m having way more luck with the trap build.
Things I lose : a stun break (this is the worst one)
SR (obsolete for me personally)
Infil signet(again, obsolete for this build)

Things I gain:
Permastealth if I do the rotation right (and can be done at any time while actually in combat) yes I mean true permastealth as in I never leave stealth unless I stop doing anything.
Superspeed for backstabs and escapes and gap closing
free initiative to spam d/p 3 to stick to target.
Lots of cc from traps, knockdown, cripple, immobilize, pull from the thief npc, plus one trap applies some poison to help with those pesky healers.

Like I said, for me personally the trapper build outweighs traditional d/p and it just synergizes well for my playstyle.

Edit: If they did make stealth on trap a trait for DA (since the rest of the trap traits are there) i’d jump with joy. But I think it’s too late for that now since we have the rune already and we’re one of 3 classes with traps at all.

It’s WvW even YOLO venom thieves or ballerina Death Blossom shine. It has trade-off which is fine but no build in the game relies on a kitten rune those runes are the only reason I went “Oh thief has traps” then I realize it was just a lazy fix and a real one would never come.

I can’t deny that I love the style it resembles C9’s hybrid scout which I used to main but the way they made it happen sickens me. They even bothered removing direct damage from our traps which is nice but we still have to rely on this kitten rune.

It’s more dependant on then fire/air or doom/geo sigils.

Sagat.3285:

It’s WvW even YOLO venom thieves or ballerina Death Blossom shine. It has trade-off which is fine but no build in the game relies on a kitten rune those runes are the only reason I went “Oh thief has traps” then I realize it was just a lazy fix and a real one would never come.

I can’t deny that I love the style it resembles C9’s hybrid scout which I used to main but the way they made it happen sickens me. They even bothered removing direct damage from our traps which is nice but we still have to rely on this kitten rune.

Honestly, I don’t mind needing to rely on the rune to make it work, I consider that a tradeoff for one of the many pros the build offers. My other rune choices are slim already, as far as the utility they provide. I will say I wish they had a power version of the runes though, since condi dmg does nothing for me. If they did make it a trait though they would probably remove superspeed which is one of the reasons I really like the build.

FYI I was serious about wanting good free screeen capture software so I can make a short montage.

reinforever.8902:

You’re righto on that, everyone I’ve tried to convince that the build is good says it sucks. But good idea, I think I will make a short montage vid!

Edit: Suggest me some decent free recording software. Does the built in windows 10 stuff actually work?

You tried to convince me and I said “Aha” so, please, I didn’t say it sucks or anything.

Overwolf is decent and free. No idea about win 10

Jana.6831:

You tried to convince me and I said “Aha” so, please, I didn’t say it sucks or anything.

Overwolf is decent and free. No idea about win 10

Ok I forgot about Jana, she didn’t say it sucks. I tried overwolf tho, dropped the fps a little too much. Razer cortex cuts my fps in half. kitten .

Edit: windows 10 screen capture works beautifully. No fps drop and the captured videos are crisp and clear.

reinforever.8902:

AikijinX.6258:

Yeah, well all power to you. You are 1 in a million. A thief that can successfully run a trapper spec. I would be interested in seeing a montage video, but thank you.

You’re righto on that, everyone I’ve tried to convince that the build is good says it sucks. But good idea, I think I will make a short montage vid!

Edit: Suggest me some decent free recording software. Does the built in windows 10 stuff actually work?

Nvidia shadowplay. Windows 10 isn’t bad as Zero Day suggested, but I haven’t tried the capture software because shadowplay already does such a great job for me.

This thread appeared in the PvP forums asking the same thing recently

Maugetarr.6823:

reinforever.8902:

AikijinX.6258:

Yeah, well all power to you. You are 1 in a million. A thief that can successfully run a trapper spec. I would be interested in seeing a montage video, but thank you.

You’re righto on that, everyone I’ve tried to convince that the build is good says it sucks. But good idea, I think I will make a short montage vid!

Edit: Suggest me some decent free recording software. Does the built in windows 10 stuff actually work?

Nvidia shadowplay. Windows 10 isn’t bad as Zero Day suggested, but I haven’t tried the capture software because shadowplay already does such a great job for me.

This thread appeared in the PvP forums asking the same thing recently

Was just about to recommend Shadowplay if he has an nVidia GPU. That software is absolutely amazing and it really upsets me I run a card on older architecture currently that isn’t supported, but the weaker card in the same series does.

Cynz.9437:

They are not going to answer you: reality is, too many players rolled thief (for RP purposes/pve mainly) and this class will continue get nerfed to garbage tier for the sake of:
- reducing numbers of thieves in game to improve statistics
- to please QQing masses

Oh and obviously they will never admit that none of them ever touched thief or they would know about backstab bug for example or wouldn’t embarass themself so badly on POI stream by not knowing neither trait names nor what they do.

Not sure how accurate this is but http://guildwars2viz.com/

Thief is 4th most played class so if anything, they nerfed Thief to encourage people to play Mesmers or Engineers which get stealth also xD

But I don’t think that’s the case, tbh.

DeceiverX.8361:

Maugetarr.6823:

reinforever.8902:

AikijinX.6258:

Yeah, well all power to you. You are 1 in a million. A thief that can successfully run a trapper spec. I would be interested in seeing a montage video, but thank you.

You’re righto on that, everyone I’ve tried to convince that the build is good says it sucks. But good idea, I think I will make a short montage vid!

Edit: Suggest me some decent free recording software. Does the built in windows 10 stuff actually work?

Nvidia shadowplay. Windows 10 isn’t bad as Zero Day suggested, but I haven’t tried the capture software because shadowplay already does such a great job for me.

This thread appeared in the PvP forums asking the same thing recently

Was just about to recommend Shadowplay if he has an nVidia GPU. That software is absolutely amazing and it really upsets me I run a card on older architecture currently that isn’t supported, but the weaker card in the same series does.

Yeah, I love it too. I’m running on a 770 and it has no noticeable effect on framerate. I uploaded a raw video in that to show the video capture quality.

Rain.9213:

Cynz.9437:

They are not going to answer you: reality is, too many players rolled thief (for RP purposes/pve mainly) and this class will continue get nerfed to garbage tier for the sake of:
- reducing numbers of thieves in game to improve statistics
- to please QQing masses

Oh and obviously they will never admit that none of them ever touched thief or they would know about backstab bug for example or wouldn’t embarass themself so badly on POI stream by not knowing neither trait names nor what they do.

Not sure how accurate this is but http://guildwars2viz.com/

Thief is 4th most played class so if anything, they nerfed Thief to encourage people to play Mesmers or Engineers which get stealth also xD

But I don’t think that’s the case, tbh.

I think that’s the 2012 information.

Maugetarr.6823:

DeceiverX.8361:

Maugetarr.6823:

reinforever.8902:

AikijinX.6258:

Yeah, well all power to you. You are 1 in a million. A thief that can successfully run a trapper spec. I would be interested in seeing a montage video, but thank you.

You’re righto on that, everyone I’ve tried to convince that the build is good says it sucks. But good idea, I think I will make a short montage vid!

Edit: Suggest me some decent free recording software. Does the built in windows 10 stuff actually work?

Nvidia shadowplay. Windows 10 isn’t bad as Zero Day suggested, but I haven’t tried the capture software because shadowplay already does such a great job for me.

This thread appeared in the PvP forums asking the same thing recently

Was just about to recommend Shadowplay if he has an nVidia GPU. That software is absolutely amazing and it really upsets me I run a card on older architecture currently that isn’t supported, but the weaker card in the same series does.

Yeah, I love it too. I’m running on a 770 and it has no noticeable effect on framerate. I uploaded a raw video in that to show the video capture quality.

I see you with that PTV, anyways…. what editing software?

reinforever.8902:

Maugetarr.6823:

DeceiverX.8361:

Maugetarr.6823:

reinforever.8902:

AikijinX.6258:

Yeah, well all power to you. You are 1 in a million. A thief that can successfully run a trapper spec. I would be interested in seeing a montage video, but thank you.

You’re righto on that, everyone I’ve tried to convince that the build is good says it sucks. But good idea, I think I will make a short montage vid!

Edit: Suggest me some decent free recording software. Does the built in windows 10 stuff actually work?

Nvidia shadowplay. Windows 10 isn’t bad as Zero Day suggested, but I haven’t tried the capture software because shadowplay already does such a great job for me.

This thread appeared in the PvP forums asking the same thing recently

Was just about to recommend Shadowplay if he has an nVidia GPU. That software is absolutely amazing and it really upsets me I run a card on older architecture currently that isn’t supported, but the weaker card in the same series does.

Yeah, I love it too. I’m running on a 770 and it has no noticeable effect on framerate. I uploaded a raw video in that to show the video capture quality.

I see you with that PTV, anyways…. what editing software?

PTV? (edit: Pierce the Veil, for some reason I thought you meant soldiers amulet) No editing software. This was the raw video. The recording pauses when you alt-tab (for reddit or forums) while you wait. Music was what I was listening to. I literally dragged and dropped the video file to youtube with no edits because the guy in the other thread was wondering about capture quality.

Maugetarr.6823:

PTV? No editing software. This was the raw video. The recording pauses when you alt-tab (for reddit or forums) while you wait. Music was what I was listening to.

Pierce the veil was playing in your video, that’s ptv haha. And I was asking for a recommendation for vid editing software, but decided to use adobe premier as I have it already.

AikijinX.6258:

Yeah, well all power to you. You are 1 in a million. A thief that can successfully run a trapper spec. I would be interested in seeing a montage video, but thank you.

As per request! All footage filmed within the few hours of me originally posting on this thread. Gonna do a more roaming outnumbered style video next with gameplay that ranges a little more than just a few hours. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/XFgreZQ4pPo

Sandrox.9524:

My hope is the new spec,if it fails it is safe to say,after 3.7k hours on thief im gonna reroll.

Shogun.7401:

Best solution is to stop playing thief until they fix it. I quit playing gw2, I will come back if they fix the thief class.

I had enough !!

I’m a main Guardian and I’m pretty sad for the state of my profession, for how lame are the specializzation traits/skills/name.. so when I’m on the point to ragequit, I come here to see you.. then I feel immediatly well.. you are the ASMR of guild wars 2, thanks for being so kittened guys..
ps: joke apart I’m really sad for you.. you deserve more consideration and less nerf.. last time I see s/d I let him kill me, he need dat stomp more than me.
pps: I know my english is just… well.. thief <3

I completely agree. We have just been nerfed, and nerfed, and nerfed to the point where we cant even hold our own against a fuc/king ranger or necro. Explain that to me. Fact of the matter is Anet needs to realize that only a small percentage of players actually use venoms. Mostly because they are a blatant gimmick that isn’t even effective. Bring back our endurance regen from dodging without an attack and at least up the target limit on attacks. Specifically for things like pistol whip so we can at least be good in PVE. I hate having to constantly defend the fact that I love how my thief used to play when every person tells me that I should just switch my main to something that doesn’t fit my playstyle because my class is now COMPLETELY WORTHLESS. Step up your game Anet. Please.

Well I got an infraction almost immediately by posting in the general discussion and my topic deleted. So there are still plenty of ANET employees out there.. just not here..

may be this is the way they decrease the population of thief-playing people. so that, they can erase completely thief class in the future