Guild Wars 2

basically its because you get all levels of players in WvW from the ultraskilled that do it for the laughs to the brand new that still think stealth is instant teleportation and invulnerability to the PvEer’s that think if they ignore the enemy they might just go away.

Depending on what you run into you can demolish large groups or get your butt whooped thouroughly on any and all professions

Taril.8619:

Rome.3192:

While the video was incredibly entertaining to watch, I don’t get it at all. How can there be a whole group of people that can’t keep a target up time, let alone outplay it? I’ve never played WvW myself, but in sPvP, even if you’re 1v3 with a bunch of level 1s, it’s pretty much impossible to win. If the gear/food buffs give players THAT much of an advantage in WvW, I fail to understand its appeal.

Don’t forget that in WvW level 1’s will still be wearing level 1 gear (It gets scaled up to level 80 but they don’t get a free set of exotics, just the stat equivalent of what they’re wearing at level 80 so whites with no stats give just a tiny bit of armour and that’s it)

So all those uplevel characters you see will be vastly weaker.

Then of course there’s the fact that WvW is the “Casual” PvP so you’ll see a lot more terrible players which coupled with the gear scaling further increases the gap between a good player in full Exotics/Ascended and a bad player in Masterwork/Rare gear.

The appeal generally comes from the mass scale fights, the ability to do small scale roaming against bigger odds (May not always win, but it tends to be a fun fight) and that not all WvW players are terrible/undergeared.

So, say if you’re a level 10 in all whites, you get scaled to an all white level 80 gear? What would that for a berserker set be, like a 400 power/precision 20% crit damage (minus all the traits) or much more? That doesn’t seem all that much of a handicap when it’s a 1v10, especially when the game allows you to res each other all the time. Also, is it common for zergs of 10+ people not to have a single player that is geared or knows what they are doing?

depends Rome you will find all sorts and such, heck I’ve recently been running around solo as a level 4 (now 8 ) ranger killing roaming thieves that have their elites. Gear (and to some extent utility slots/weapon skills unlocked) makes less difference than knowing what your doing and quite frankly I’d say at least 50% of any given WvW population doesn’t know what they are doing.

Jinks.2057:

Asomal.6453:

It’s WvWvW, who cares…

The people on this board care because thieves get nerfed because of WvW.

So we’re going on a nerf all other actually OPd WvW classes campaign.

Honest truth is ele cant be OP in WvW due to WvW being stupidly imbalanced. The other thing is the 4 sec reveal was wrong because it applies to pve which is bs and we all know it. Sustained dps should have been increased for the loss, but that’s not going to happen.

That being said Anet promised to help counter bunker builds but a thief in WvW even with culling fixed is a thief in WvW. If you are kittening you need to l2p. Stealth can still be permanent and our mobility is still top tier.

Rome.3192:

So, say if you’re a level 10 in all whites, you get scaled to an all white level 80 gear? What would that for a berserker set be, like a 400 power/precision 20% crit damage (minus all the traits) or much more? That doesn’t seem all that much of a handicap when it’s a 1v10, especially when the game allows you to res each other all the time. Also, is it common for zergs of 10+ people not to have a single player that is geared or knows what they are doing?

There’s no level 10 berserker. At best you got a “Power” set with only power as a stat. So you be like a 400 power 0 precision 0% crit damage

Idk why people are even arguing… the dev’s already agreed that ele is too mobile/slippery (should be the thief’s as #1 in these categories) and that their heals are too fast.

There will be changes for them in the future… as well as a change for thieves allowing them to stay in the fight longer and be the most mobile/slippery class.

ATM I just feel that increasing the revealed debuff was just the wrong approach to the c&d spam problem… and just wound up nerfing all of the thieves that cycle revealed instead.

Keep in mind the game is still fairly new and will continue to go through many changes until things become a bit more settled (aka why I have 4 80’s).

That being said… those players they were fighting are pretty bad. Ele isn’t THAT op to where they can normally take on THAT many more people. Dear god some one use some half decent CC…

I find this thread humorous, since I find D/D Elementalist easy, even able to solo them on a RANGER for crying out loud.

The secret for a Elementalist, and I am not kidding one bit here, is to move in a circle around them. Some of their best damage requires movement, and because the game has such poor AI, they zip by you while you are moving in a circle around them, and you take zero damage.

Thieves are fine, quit crying over spilled milk. Us good Thieves have seen no change in our play.

jkctmc.8754:

I find this thread humorous, since I find D/D Elementalist easy, even able to solo them on a RANGER for crying out loud.

The secret for a Elementalist, and I am not kidding one bit here, is to move in a circle around them. Some of their best damage requires movement, and because the game has such poor AI, they zip by you while you are moving in a circle around them, and you take zero damage.

Thieves are fine, quit crying over spilled milk. Us good Thieves have seen no change in our play.

jkctmc.8754:

@WhiteAndMilky & @Arganthium

Both of you are pretty spot on, and I think the differences we feel, or experience are probably playstyle, or the variables that exist in game.

While the Thief is powerful in good hands, it is no longer as powerful as many believe. In my opinion the Mesmer surpasses the Thief, though I’m a beast on my Mesmer because people obviously do not put up the big red “target” over a Mesmers head like they should.

When I’m playing my Ranger, and occasionaly get burst out by a one trick pony Thief, I shrug it off and smile, because later when I’m destroying a d/d Elementalist, knowing most classes can’t.

Right now my concern are my Warrior, and my Guardian. For some reason they’re feeling like my weakest classes, and I’m not sure why. Are you two experiencing the same thing?

^Tier 5 WvW S/P no stealth thief… mains a ranger… fights a lot of people that can’t tell the real mesmer from clones (shows skill level of opponents)… feels guardian is weak… ’nuff said.

Aberrant.6749:

jkctmc.8754:

I find this thread humorous, since I find D/D Elementalist easy, even able to solo them on a RANGER for crying out loud.

The secret for a Elementalist, and I am not kidding one bit here, is to move in a circle around them. Some of their best damage requires movement, and because the game has such poor AI, they zip by you while you are moving in a circle around them, and you take zero damage.

Thieves are fine, quit crying over spilled milk. Us good Thieves have seen no change in our play.

jkctmc.8754:

@WhiteAndMilky & @Arganthium

Both of you are pretty spot on, and I think the differences we feel, or experience are probably playstyle, or the variables that exist in game.

While the Thief is powerful in good hands, it is no longer as powerful as many believe. In my opinion the Mesmer surpasses the Thief, though I’m a beast on my Mesmer because people obviously do not put up the big red “target” over a Mesmers head like they should.

When I’m playing my Ranger, and occasionaly get burst out by a one trick pony Thief, I shrug it off and smile, because later when I’m destroying a d/d Elementalist, knowing most classes can’t.

Right now my concern are my Warrior, and my Guardian. For some reason they’re feeling like my weakest classes, and I’m not sure why. Are you two experiencing the same thing?

^Tier 5 WvW S/P no stealth thief… mains a ranger… fights a lot of people that can’t tell the real mesmer from clones (shows skill level of opponents)… feels guardian is weak… ’nuff said.

Started Henge of Denravi in the Titan alliance prerelease, when no one could touch us. Transfered to a lower tier so I would never have to wait in a queue again. Your point about servers?

Let me guess, you transfered to a T1, because you thought it means something? <laughs>

I can beat a Guardian 1v1 on Thief, Ranger, Necromancer, and Mesmer, no contest. I can beat a Guardian 2v1 on a Necromancer, and Mesmer. Just becuase you have a hard time with them, does not make them as powerful as you think they are.

I’m sorry you have issues with this game, and fighting others. Truly I am.

The fact I can play a no-stealth Sword/Pistol Shadowstep Thief, and you have issues with a Thief using a lot of stealth speaks volumes about your lack of skill, versus my superior skill. Learn the game before you cry.

Oh, and by the way I main a Necromancer now.

jkctmc.8754:

Aberrant.6749:

jkctmc.8754:

I find this thread humorous, since I find D/D Elementalist easy, even able to solo them on a RANGER for crying out loud.

The secret for a Elementalist, and I am not kidding one bit here, is to move in a circle around them. Some of their best damage requires movement, and because the game has such poor AI, they zip by you while you are moving in a circle around them, and you take zero damage.

Thieves are fine, quit crying over spilled milk. Us good Thieves have seen no change in our play.

jkctmc.8754:

@WhiteAndMilky & @Arganthium

Both of you are pretty spot on, and I think the differences we feel, or experience are probably playstyle, or the variables that exist in game.

While the Thief is powerful in good hands, it is no longer as powerful as many believe. In my opinion the Mesmer surpasses the Thief, though I’m a beast on my Mesmer because people obviously do not put up the big red “target” over a Mesmers head like they should.

When I’m playing my Ranger, and occasionaly get burst out by a one trick pony Thief, I shrug it off and smile, because later when I’m destroying a d/d Elementalist, knowing most classes can’t.

Right now my concern are my Warrior, and my Guardian. For some reason they’re feeling like my weakest classes, and I’m not sure why. Are you two experiencing the same thing?

^Tier 5 WvW S/P no stealth thief… mains a ranger… fights a lot of people that can’t tell the real mesmer from clones (shows skill level of opponents)… feels guardian is weak… ’nuff said.

Started Henge of Denravi in the Titan alliance, when no one could touch us. Transfered to a lower tier so I would never have to wait in a queue again. Your point about servers?

Let me guess, you transfered to a T1, because you thought it means something? <laughs>

I can beat a Guardian 1v1 on Thief, Ranger, Necromancer, and Mesmer, no contest. I can beat a Guardian 2v1 on a Necromancer, and Mesmer. Just becuase you have a hard time with them, does not make them as powerful as you think they are.

I’m sorry you have issues with this game, and fighting others. Truly I am.

The fact I can play a no-stealth Sword/Pistol Shadowstep Thief, and you have issues with a Thief using a lot of stealth speaks volumes about your lack of skill, versus my superior skill. Learn the game before you cry.

Nah been on TC for a long time man. It’s in my siggy just to help you out with the obvious. We fought against several of the T1 servers for weeks when things got jumbled up right before transfers changed to costing gems though. It’s fun and challenging to fight against other servers with several times your population without them having the lower skill of t5 etc. server ^^ They are pretty nice people as well.

I’m sorry that you have plaid against poor guardians and have issues playing your own. Truly I am. I can beat thieves, rangers, necro’s, and mesmers with my guardian. Thieves are one of the easiest classes to beat as a guardian. I’m glad that you can play a s/p thief vs lower tier players. It speaks volumes about your skill. I’m sure you would do great vs the type players shown in the vid and feel awesome about it.

Aberrant.6749:

jkctmc.8754:

Aberrant.6749:

jkctmc.8754:

I find this thread humorous, since I find D/D Elementalist easy, even able to solo them on a RANGER for crying out loud.

The secret for a Elementalist, and I am not kidding one bit here, is to move in a circle around them. Some of their best damage requires movement, and because the game has such poor AI, they zip by you while you are moving in a circle around them, and you take zero damage.

Thieves are fine, quit crying over spilled milk. Us good Thieves have seen no change in our play.

jkctmc.8754:

@WhiteAndMilky & @Arganthium

Both of you are pretty spot on, and I think the differences we feel, or experience are probably playstyle, or the variables that exist in game.

While the Thief is powerful in good hands, it is no longer as powerful as many believe. In my opinion the Mesmer surpasses the Thief, though I’m a beast on my Mesmer because people obviously do not put up the big red “target” over a Mesmers head like they should.

When I’m playing my Ranger, and occasionaly get burst out by a one trick pony Thief, I shrug it off and smile, because later when I’m destroying a d/d Elementalist, knowing most classes can’t.

Right now my concern are my Warrior, and my Guardian. For some reason they’re feeling like my weakest classes, and I’m not sure why. Are you two experiencing the same thing?

^Tier 5 WvW S/P no stealth thief… mains a ranger… fights a lot of people that can’t tell the real mesmer from clones (shows skill level of opponents)… feels guardian is weak… ’nuff said.

Started Henge of Denravi in the Titan alliance, when no one could touch us. Transfered to a lower tier so I would never have to wait in a queue again. Your point about servers?

Let me guess, you transfered to a T1, because you thought it means something? <laughs>

I can beat a Guardian 1v1 on Thief, Ranger, Necromancer, and Mesmer, no contest. I can beat a Guardian 2v1 on a Necromancer, and Mesmer. Just becuase you have a hard time with them, does not make them as powerful as you think they are.

I’m sorry you have issues with this game, and fighting others. Truly I am.

The fact I can play a no-stealth Sword/Pistol Shadowstep Thief, and you have issues with a Thief using a lot of stealth speaks volumes about your lack of skill, versus my superior skill. Learn the game before you cry.

Nah been on TC for a long time man. We fought against the T1 servers for weeks when things got jumbled up right before transfers changed to costing gems. It’s fun and challenging to fight against other servers with several times your population ^^

I’m sorry that you have plaid against poor guardians and have issues playing your own. Truly I am. I can beat thieves, rangers, necro’s, and mesmers with my guardian. Thieves are one of the easiest classes to beat as a guardian. I’m glad that you can play a s/p thief vs lower tier players. It speaks volumes about your skill. I’m sure you would do great vs the NSP type players shown in the vid and feel awesome about it.

You have the worst reading comprehension of anyone I have ever had the pleasure of talking to, on the internet since 1995.

I don’t have an issue playing a Guardian, I just find it weaker than my other classes, all except the Warrior, who feels even weaker. I still beat scrubs like you on a regular basis. There is no way I could lose to a Guardian on my Thief, ever. You must play in the nerfed down state of sPvP because leveling to 80 is hard, and the higher damage in WvW is even harder for you.

I love people like you. You always fight the best players in the game, and those you don’t agree with always fight the worst players in the game.

You so funny. Continue complaining about classes you “think” are overpowered.

jkctmc.8754:

I find this thread humorous, since I find D/D Elementalist easy, even able to solo them on a RANGER for crying out loud.

The secret for a Elementalist, and I am not kidding one bit here, is to move in a circle around them. Some of their best damage requires movement, and because the game has such poor AI, they zip by you while you are moving in a circle around them, and you take zero damage.

Thieves are fine, quit crying over spilled milk. Us good Thieves have seen no change in our play.

this is thief forum
and for a thief to solo a good d/d ele is not easy. Easy to obtain a draw, not easy to get a kill/win.
just like it’s easy for a thief to solo any ranger other than a gs bunker. Again, thief vs gs bunker ranger = draw

Brassnautilus.2941:

jkctmc.8754:

I find this thread humorous, since I find D/D Elementalist easy, even able to solo them on a RANGER for crying out loud.

The secret for a Elementalist, and I am not kidding one bit here, is to move in a circle around them. Some of their best damage requires movement, and because the game has such poor AI, they zip by you while you are moving in a circle around them, and you take zero damage.

Thieves are fine, quit crying over spilled milk. Us good Thieves have seen no change in our play.

this is thief forum
and for a thief to solo a good d/d ele is not easy. Easy to obtain a draw, not easy to get a kill/win.
just like it’s easy for a thief to solo any ranger other than a gs bunker. Again, thief vs gs bunker ranger = draw

Does the fight have to be easy?

Well those players did not seem to be understanding of what to do with that Ele running rings round them. No better class to demonstrate that. Poster is correct in that Elmentalist has its moments – in sPvP in Spirit Watch two Ele’s running the spirit are hilarious – ride the lightning heals and whatnot, near unstoppable. These things happen however.

jkctmc.8754:

You have the worst reading comprehension of anyone I have ever had the pleasure of talking to, on the internet since 1995.

I don’t have an issue playing a Guardian, I just find it weaker than my other classes, all except the Warrior, who feels even weaker. I still beat scrubs like you on a regular basis. There is no way I could lose to a Guardian on my Thief, ever. You must play in the nerfed down state of sPvP because leveling to 80 is hard, and the higher damage in WvW is even harder for you.

I love people like you. You always fight the best players in the game, and those you don’t agree with always fight the worst players in the game.

You so funny. Continue complaining about classes you “think” are overpowered.

Thinking a class needs tweaks =/= it’s UP nor OP.

The dev’s agreed about Ele. They find Guardian one of the most balanced classes. They have SO many damage mitigation abilities and good ways of dealing with a thief. It just comes down to you playing against baddies who are tied to thier GS and only swap to the staff to get might (etc.).

You’re so cute… but you still missed my point. You’re not really much of a thief. You say the good ones didn’t get changed and your mighty s/p build doesn’t even use stealth. So apparently a 12% dps nerf and reduced healing/invis/condition removal/etc + haste nerf shouldn’t matter? Yea sure ok. Please go tell this to top tier thieves and warriors… oh wait they have all vanished from higher tPvP. Sure you can find them in hotjoin but that says little about skilled gameplay… same with you being able to kill random baddies in WvW with S/P.

Or as the dev put it…

“Allie Murdock:

“Hey all, thanks for the feedback! I just wanted to pop in here real quick to let you know that we’re looking at ways to balance out skills and traits that were affected by the quickness change.

Right now, Thief is still very good in WvW, so we have to take that into consideration. Also, in lower rated games, it is still doing well with its burst. In higher rated games, we recognize that it could use some tweaks.

These are things that we need to consider when making changes to the Thief, so try to keep that in mind when giving us feedback."

We’re reviewing Warriors and Elementalists as well. Perhaps we can get into that another time and in a different thread, though. As this thread is about Thieves, let’s keep it on track."

You post up and down the ranger forum then come in here to troll… poorly. Good day sir :P

I wanted to say a lot more than this, but…

S/P in WvW? lol.

Those were some baller warriors in that vid

Laika.8795:

I wanted to say a lot more than this, but…

S/P in WvW? lol.

S/P is one of the only set worth using in wvw along with shortbow during zergs fight. S/D can also do the trick, anything that involves dagger main hand is crap since you will end up losing infiltrator’s strike aka god mode.

Otherwise it’s not really a good set for 1vs1, it can works for small skirmishes but it’s not that great, if not plainly bad as an option.

Teamkiller.4315:

Brassnautilus.2941:

7k/10s regen, chain stun, 3 cantrips and a pet.
NO eles aren’t OP. we all just need to l2p

The people in the video do in fact need to l2p. You will notice that he slaughtered numerous other DD eles in the video.

What’s the point of linking a video of two really good players taking on 18 guys? One could just as easily link a video of lolthief:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACOxV5CA52w

And claim they’re OP. Nope. That’s not skill there, that’s the class being OP. Yup. Two instant accesses to stealth + blind, double stunbreaker and condition cleanser in one utility. Oh, and stability + projectile reflect with no aoe limit as an elite. 17k HP 2.6k armor and rolling out 6-7k backstabs with ease. Yup, not OP at all.

…

But then, you might notice, he also kills a ton of thieves, so one might start to wonder “hmmm maybe this guy is good, and it’s not the thief class that’s OP” just like you should consider “maybe these guys are really good and it’s not the ele class that is OP. Oh, and their opponents were inexperienced and upleveled judging from the lack of focus and CC use”.

I’ve noticed that from thieves being called OP a lot of you guys have defensively started to look at other classes and call them OP. You’re no better than those who whine of thieves being overpowered without bothering to do their research now.

poor ranger in the vid didn’t stand a chance

Thieves should still be nerfed because those ele’s weren’t able to kill them fast enough.

swinsk.6410:

Yea, but thieves can stealth, so let’s nerf them first.

Thieves can stealth 90% of the time that’s the problem.

Sylvar.8512:

http://www.twitch.tv/saetiasc/c/1827679

Watch it and cry. You can figtht with 10+ ppl and you don’t go in stealth even once. ;D

Gaaaawd, I hate ppl recording their keyboard mashing – sounds so moronic it’s not even funny.

knight.8926:

swinsk.6410:

Yea, but thieves can stealth, so let’s nerf them first.

Thieves can stealth 90% of the time that’s the problem.

Only if they are not doing anything but stealth and are therefore almost ambient critters

Puru.4217:

Laika.8795:

I wanted to say a lot more than this, but…

S/P in WvW? lol.

S/P is one of the only set worth using in wvw along with shortbow during zergs fight. S/D can also do the trick, anything that involves dagger main hand is crap since you will end up losing infiltrator’s strike aka god mode.

Otherwise it’s not really a good set for 1vs1, it can works for small skirmishes but it’s not that great, if not plainly bad as an option.

Sword/Dagger is the best 1v1 set up, barely above Pistol/Dagger. I can still beat those builds though, and they’re fun to fight. I often switch out to Sword/Dagger with my trait choice when roaming solo.

Sword/Pistol though is awesome for getting into the Zerg, and taking out siege. Prior to the Omnom Pie nerf, it was unreal how effective this was. I could run in, steal from a Warrior, pop Daggerstorm moving towards the siege, when it ended, I’d hit Whirling Axes I stole from the Warrior, and thanks to Omnom Pie, and a high enough Critical Hit chance you could not bring me down.

Now that I’m on the siege I can pistol whip it down, FAST while (get this) lifestealing the siege, and anyone around it for some great heals. If I got into trouble, I hit “2” and go back to safety where I droipped my teleport circle, since there is no range on Infiltrators Strike / Shadow Return. Shadow Return is our best stunbreaker in my opinion.

The key to Pistol Whip in any other situation is to immobilize your target before using it. If fighting another Thief, or Mesmer who stealth, switch to Shortbow, and double teleport away, waiting for them to come visible again, switch back to S/P, drop “2” and go back in for the fight.

wow. so arena net thinking thieves are OP!?? lowest HP pool class only has 10k hp no vit gears. how about these perma boons on ele.? ya i saw many good D/D eles doing this stuff. and theyre unkillable. i think all GM in arena net using D/D ele whats why they’re not nerfing it eh?

Im thinking they’ve given up on their thoughts of becoming an E-Sport and decided casual is the way to go, as casual pvp is really the only place a thief becomes any real sort of powerful (though would still not say overly so)

I should record myself smashing my face on the keyboard too. I played death knight back in the day in WoW as well, plenty of practice.

On the comment on yishis.. post patch he is now a D/P thief

I have 2 80 eles and man I suck. I wanna play but so clueless

Spvp…. doing this makes us a better player?

Teamkiller.4315:

Sylvar.8512:

http://www.twitch.tv/saetiasc/c/1827679

Watch it and cry. You can figtht with 10+ ppl and you don’t go in stealth even once. ;D

You can do it on a thief or a mesmer as well.

Also.

Whenever you see a outnumbered vs X video, watch for the outnumbered guy killing others of the same class. In this particular video they kill a lot of elementalists, hence just them being amazingly good, not anything about them being OP.

That makes no sense. Of course there are good and bad players. What makes a class overpowered is not what a bad player can do with it, but what an amazingly good player can.

Ashanor.5319:

Teamkiller.4315:

Sylvar.8512:

http://www.twitch.tv/saetiasc/c/1827679

Watch it and cry. You can figtht with 10+ ppl and you don’t go in stealth even once. ;D

You can do it on a thief or a mesmer as well.

Also.

Whenever you see a outnumbered vs X video, watch for the outnumbered guy killing others of the same class. In this particular video they kill a lot of elementalists, hence just them being amazingly good, not anything about them being OP.

That makes no sense. Of course there are good and bad players. What makes a class overpowered is not what a bad player can do with it, but what an amazingly good player can.

Actually your way makes less sense: “Oh hey one person playing this profession can do this this and that, clearly the entire profession is overpowered so lets lower the power of everyone so this one amazingly good player can’t do this anymore, so what if the 99% of other people who already couldn’t do that now can’t even do basic stuff as long as this one amazing player can do it the profession is fine/OP!”

Something becomes overpowered when it is powerful in ANYONES hands in any given situation, this is also why stealth and initiative isn’t that overpowered because while its powerful in low tier pvp in the hands of everyone as soon as you go to higher tier fights it becomes much weaker in everyones hands.

Dasorine.1964:

Ashanor.5319:

Teamkiller.4315:

Sylvar.8512:

http://www.twitch.tv/saetiasc/c/1827679

Watch it and cry. You can figtht with 10+ ppl and you don’t go in stealth even once. ;D

You can do it on a thief or a mesmer as well.

Also.

Whenever you see a outnumbered vs X video, watch for the outnumbered guy killing others of the same class. In this particular video they kill a lot of elementalists, hence just them being amazingly good, not anything about them being OP.

That makes no sense. Of course there are good and bad players. What makes a class overpowered is not what a bad player can do with it, but what an amazingly good player can.

Actually your way makes less sense: “Oh hey one person playing this profession can do this this and that, clearly the entire profession is overpowered so lets lower the power of everyone so this one amazingly good player can’t do this anymore, so what if the 99% of other people who already couldn’t do that now can’t even do basic stuff as long as this one amazing player can do it the profession is fine/OP!”

Something becomes overpowered when it is powerful in ANYONES hands in any given situation, this is also why stealth and initiative isn’t that overpowered because while its powerful in low tier pvp in the hands of everyone as soon as you go to higher tier fights it becomes much weaker in everyones hands.

Wrong. Having a low learning curve does not make a class overpowered. For instance, the Warrior learning curve isn’t that steep but they are considered one of the worst sPvP classes currently.

Difference between thief vs zerg and elementalists vs zerg is that elementalist has perma-vigor when running the right traits, constant mobility, and more buttons to press which imo does not justify for difficulty at all. While thieves on the other hand has to rely on stealth because when running shadow’s embrace, it serves as our most efficient condition removal. If not, they rely on heal and shadowstepping to remove the bleeds and such, which is not efficient at all.

@ the video, a lot of players that needs to learn to play, that’s all. Not to offend the elementalist’s skills, but those players were horrible. Elementalists are not OP, there’s just a lot of bad players now stop with the QQ-ing people.

We can stealth 90% of the time because you, not pointing anyone out but just to be general, let us. Now please, for god’s sake people, stop calling everything OP. thinking in mind “what am I doing? it’s like talking to a brick wall, they’ll just keep QQ-ing.”

That fight was stupid. The enemy team ran around autoattacking and did not use a single cc. Half their attacks missed and I even spotted a couple people standing there with their backs turned. Ridiculous..

brickforlife.1364:

That fight was stupid. The enemy team ran around autoattacking and did not use a single cc. Half their attacks missed and I even spotted a couple people standing there with their backs turned. Ridiculous..

The joys of WvW… so many bad players that think they are pvp gods to the point where if they die they feel anything that killed them is OP

actually, in wvw i have 2k armor on my guardian with gear at my level 30 (all greens)
yes, i have 25k hp, but almost NO armor, so that’s why you guys get 15-20k+ backstabs !

I and most others care about WvW =) because guess what 200 whole ppl play sPvP and its stupid the devs balance crap around that pitifully balanced and designed game feature that someone upstairs is clinging to with a hope and a prayer that it will ever be an E sport. Got it ?

and I saw that video and the only thing I’ll disagree with Teamkiller is that that is an exhibition of skill ove rbeing OP.. look my warr? hes not to bad and he simply doesn thave 1/3 of the OPTIONS to move and survive and still kill like that..nor does any other class except maybe thief spamming CnD ( that does no damage )